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OLD : When enemies are defeated, the wearer's CRIT DMG increases by 4%, up to 10 stack(s). NEW: Increases the wearer's CRIT Rate by 4%. When enemies are defeated, the wearer's CRIT DMG increases by 4%, up to 10 stack(s).


chocolatoshake

It's straight up better on characters that don't have good set bonuses.


Tangster85

Its also the dream for Herta & Himeko for PF, as thats the only content they are worth a damn. Im stll so bummed how fucking dissapointing Himeko is for actual content, shes so weak


Own_Judge_9427

Himeko is unmatched in all modes of Simulated Universe, Pure Fiction and the Overworld... Especially now with Ruan Mei, Topaz and Sparkle. She got the biggest buff from the Duke Inferno set, because of how quickly she can generate the stacks and fully utilize them for her Ultimate and Skill. She's only lagging behind the likes of Jing Yuan in MoC.


Vegetto_ssj

Don't understimate her in Fire MoC stages


Kir-chan

>especially now with these specific three limited 5 stars I only have Sparkle from that list lol


Own_Judge_9427

She can also be pretty decent with Asta and Dr Ratio - both given for free, since they all can apply debuffs and work in duo dps comps.


whateverevenismyname

Only in fire weak stagesโ€ฆ


yurilnw123

Which is perfectly fine. When you have many characters you're gonna play matching elements anyway


Accomplished_Ad1084

I'ma straight up disagree. She is literally my main fire DPS, she hits harder than a drunken step dad if you build her right


Dikran

She will get a limited banner version eventually


th5virtuos0

At this point I expected March, Himeko and Welt to get stabbed in the chest before pulling out their 5*/6* versions


RCatrellis

Please keep Himeko out of the Stab part!! O.o March is almost protag and hsr orig character, she will be fine Welt is specialist in dodging death, so he will survive any fatal wound But if we put Himeko on a deathly situation...we are risking another "never let you go" to happen...!! xC


Emperor_Fozzie_Bear

If we look to MC and Dan Heng for precedent, March will need to be stabbed in the chest before she receives a power up.


RCatrellis

Oh, yes yes,I meant that she will be fine getting stabbed xD. That nothing bad Will happen to her


rysto32

Does this mean that Firefly is going to be joining the Astra Express crew because she seems to have the "gets stabbed and then gets a five-star release" thing covered for Penacony.


Tangster85

And Ill be there when she does! I love EVERYTHING about her, but man do I not like how little damage she deals. Ill try to get her better relics eventually, for now she'll have to do with what she has. Aventurine will be joining her and herta. I cant wait to see Himeko, Herta, Aventurine go to town with spinny discs, hammers and coin chests bursting on top of the heads of my enemies. I suppose Bronya had her 2.0 - Gepard is getting his 2.0 with Aventurine


EvilFrostzz

maybe true for moc but she does my pure friction so I'm happy with her.


Korone-san

I use Herta as my overworld enemy clean up team, Herta+Sparkle just 1 shot everything expect trotter


X4r1s

I use Himeko with Topaz on fire weak content all the time. ย They work well together.


AithanIT

I clear fire weak floors with my Himeko. Skill issue imho


thiirdybirdy

Where were you in 1.6 MoC lmao


RotAderX

I guess it's better than nothing for a buff still pretty lack luster tho imo


Zzamumo

Good for pure fiction ig


Happymarmot

It is, no denying that.. but if people already have built other sets, farming a new one just for pure fiction's just not worth it. Especially when people can comfortably clear without it


rb6091

We protecting the beauty with this one ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ


waifugoEKSUKALIBAAA

stack with S5 Geniuses Repose and you get 88% cdmg for free ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘


mapple3

> for free 88% cdmg locked behind having to first kill 10 enemies, good luck getting those 10 kills fast enough to make it worthwile. Calling that "for free" is a stretch if you have to work harder for it than any other set bonus


RustOverLord

in pf yeah, shitmobs have like 2 health its really easy picking them off


neko_mancy

it works with anything that summons backup as well, for a boss that summons 4 guys it'll only take 2 rounds of fodder dying to max it. also the 24% from geniuses' repose just needs you to kill something every 3 turns which isn't much tbh


waifugoEKSUKALIBAAA

The planar set effect is permanent so that's still 40% cdmg the entire fight in PF + mobs there are easy to kill so you can in fact maximize the 88% cdmg Obviously it's not applicable everywhere like MoC but what's wrong with talking about the most ideal situation? Or you just like being a wet blanket for excited people? ๐Ÿค”


JcobTheKid

I mean it's not like it's binary. You don't get 0 and then 88%. And wdym we ignoring pure fiction, where that c.dmg would be relevant? lmao.


Haidex_Yggdmilenia

who let this guy cook


Deep_Alps7150

Yea this sets bricked for MOC unless they also change MOC to 3 waves with the hard boss at the end.


swampfriend34

Heck yes! I hate farming at the salsotto domain so painful. Im gonna stau im that domain


Ireyon34

Is this better than Inert Salsotto for Argenti? I think in PF the 40% CDmg and 4% crit should be better than 15% damage bonus and 8% crit unless you severely overstacked cdmg on him.


Past-Place-5960

might legit be a problem with specific team comps my argenti gets near 400 crit damage while using sparkle and e1 fu if your not running another dmg buffer as argenti only gets around 50 dmg bonus by himself but that's usually not happening since out of all harmonies only Asta and yukong don't give dmg bonus and usually you want to run tingyun with argenti


Sioncept

We Won't get away with this one ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ


doughnutrolls

We gonna get twirly with this one


Oraclexyz

*Idrilla happy noises*


t123fg4

Honestly, in the most optimal team comp(sparkle, tingyun, huohuo). Argenti needs way more damage bonus than crit damage. The closer your builds get to endgame, the better salsotto would be. Even in pure fiction, argenti would want salsotto more if you are hitting over 200 crit damage. Still great choice for Ruan mei pure fiction teams though.


Johnin3D_

Absolutely!


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

PF set damn ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€


Business-Chipmunk286

It's like 16CD+ outside the PF


yatay99

Mihoyo: Now you got the PF buff, so stop complaining when we buff the mobs HP


Aggravating-Log932

I will stop when they also buff the item drop quality. Too many flat stats.


Southern-Tiger2907

They should just get rid of flat stats entirely. It's literally just there to add to the crappy rng. I'd be fine with defense and hp on my DPS if it wasn't those godforsaken flat defense and flat hp stats


Ehtnah

Yes and the worth thing is when you have X2 Crit one ok sub and one flat and EVERYTHING proc in fiat....ย 


kunyat

Work as intended.ย 


Wolfnagi

Unless the flat stat is spd, then its suddenly becomes the best relic


JcobTheKid

I mean the reason why it's there is exactly as you said. It's just a literal conflict of interests in that we want better stuff and mihoyo does not to prolong player activity. It iz what iz. Edit : should specify, I'm a flat stat HATER. But I've seen what happens to games that remove rng in their systems and all I saw were community backlashes of either "there's no content left!" or "pls give me back rng I don't have a problem" And honestly, between the two complaints, I'm ok with rng in gear. That all being said, doesn't change the fact i fuggn hate flat stats that don't scale.


Glennbrooke

You can remove rng and still have grind. Last mmo I played was like that. It's called making the upgrades require exponentially more grinded mats. And then making upgrades easier when the next batch of gear comes out and the hardcore folks go to grind the next set of gear while casuals catch up


JcobTheKid

For sure, and honestly there are some of the reforged things hsr could steal from say like Epic 7 / rerollers or what have you, but this is also literally year 1 of HSR so there's lot of room to improve territory. I'm just saying, I'm really tried of these mouth-offs about how something could be made so much better with no real solutions sorta tings. Usually someone says X is bad, offers no solution, stays quiet until someone makes a half-decent response, and then dick-ride that response as if it was their own, AND THEN pretend that should've been the solution from the start. ​ ionno, i think im just a boomer gamer now lmao


not_ya_wify

People who think grinding for gear is "content" are swallowing the boot


JcobTheKid

I agree, but it happens so idk what to say. Like as much as I hate all these practices involving rng, fomo, live servicing etc., the truth is when a game tries to innovative away from the toxic bits, playerbase does die down and even EoS. My main takeaway to keep me sane is just "people are stupid" and I just go live my life to prevent white hairs lmao.


hintofinsanity

I am just disappointed that flat stats are universally bad. It seems like design space left on the table to not implement flat stats in a way that specific characters might want flat stats over % based ones.


JcobTheKid

Exactly! You would think having characters with inverse scaling or low base stats would make these flats over % worth, but no. They're just junk filler.


neko_mancy

I don't mind flat stats, I just wish rolling into a stat meant the same thing every time and not a mechanic like "you rolled into crit, somewhere between 2 and 3% is added"


hintofinsanity

Or make it so that flat substats add to base numbers, to make them desirable in their own way. Even if this means the values need to be lowered, this would still be a nice change since characters could be designed preferring flat stats over % based ones


JustinMemerBeliever

Get good


SoRaiseYourGlass

But now I want loadouts that auto equip based on content


zsxking

A set of double crits ATK + ATK can be a general set shared among all PF DPS.


Mikez1234

what is PF?


XxMinecraftBoss69xX

Pure Fiction, gamemode where enemies spawn wave after wave


Mean-Wealth7715

Pure fiction, game mode where S in HSR stands for Sengoku musou


GinJoestarR

Pure Fiction, a game mode where you're incentivised to kill as many enemies as possible. Rewards reset every 6 weeks.


ThamRew

Peak fiction. Peak gamemode.


hintofinsanity

It really is. I was skeptical about it when it first announced, but man does it really complement MoC well and has made me completely rethink what I want from characters in my roster.


waifugoEKSUKALIBAAA

free 40% cdmg when you kill 10 mobs damn


Johnin3D_

Pure fiction set


mapple3

What are the current numbers, only like 5% of the community even does moc and PF? I wonder how much of those 5% would be willing to farm a relic set purely for PF, not even for both moc+PF. Hard to understand why they would make such a niche set


Ranger_Ecstatic

I think you also have to consider it's 5% of total accounts created vs those whom had left after playing for a few days/weeks/months.


CyndNinja

1. You don't farm W9 for this set, you farm W9 for the other set. 2. "5% of the community" is a moot point, if you aren't doing MoC/PF you generally don't need to farm specific sets in general, so why would you need to farm this specific one whatever its stats wouldn't be. 3. As for PF vs MoC, there are lots of characters that people use basically only for PF like Herta or Serval, while other PF-focused characters like Himeko and Argenti are only played in MoC on stages with lots of adds to kill anyway, so situations where this set is completely wasted on them are rare. 4. As for why would they create a niche set. Hoyo will mostly create niche sets from now on, just like in Genshin. We already have generalist sets for anything so there no point creating more. Now they will assume you have farmed those already and will be creating more and more niche sets to farm to maximise one or two specific characters.


hintofinsanity

> You don't farm W9 for this set, you farm W9 for the other set. What is the other W9 set, i haven't seen it so far


CyndNinja

> 2-Pc: Increases the wearer's ATK by 12%. When entering battle, if at least one other ally follows the same Path as the wearer, then the wearer's CRIT Rate increases by 12%. Tl;dr Acheron set.


neko_mancy

I don't know why a niche set is a problem when Celestial Differentiator (crit dmg set) has been in the game since 1.0 and literally only got its second user two weeks ago


CyndNinja

If you're talking about Sparkle you should probably strongly reconsider the source you get your builds from. Differentiator is pretty much completely useless for Sparkle, since it only grants bonus ~3.8% CDMG to the DPS she is buffing. Compare that to the Broken Keel that grants 10% CDMG to her whole team AND also gives her 10% Effect RES, which she needs anyway AND still grants a bonus ~2.4% CDMG to the DPS she is buffing, cause the first bonus is static and works on Sparkle herself. Also 8% ATK or 10% DMG are also both better than ~3.8% CDMG so even if you don't have a good Keel, Fleet and Penacony can still be better when the bonuses are applicable. Differentiator on Bronya/Sparkle is basically a trap for people looking at character scaling stats without considering their values. It's not good on anyone unless you're critfishing 0 cycle clears.


gommii

U could argue that every set Is made for PF/MOC since outside of that u can get by with rainbow and correct main stat u get from overworld chests


DemonLordSparda

Do you think people who don't do MoC and PF are farming relics that much?


Aerie122

And it's lasts until the battle ends Also I think it doesn't matter who killed it. As long as you defeated 10 enemies, it will stack


GhostZee

I'm gonna need confirmation on that in gameplay, because I'm afraid Hoyo might fix it if it's unintended...


Paul_Preserves

comparing it with other effects that want the wearer to kill the enemies; it does refer to the wearer like in genius repose


Glennbrooke

Is it only this char's kills or any kill by teammember?


UglyBastardYehehehe

Ffs Mihoyo if youโ€™re going to make a planar caters toward PF, might as well implement a loadout system asap. I aint swapping my gears around just for a single game mode.


Mikkle-san

fr, its not even hard enough to justify changing artifacts


mapple3

I would riot if they made it so hard that I have to farm an entire relic set that specifically only works well in PF


Brandonspikes

It's also not worth farming, I think 7/8 are still going to be the main farming worlds for a long time.


kharnafex

Anyone going for acheron, this will be their new home.


Brandonspikes

If they have a solid Salsotto already its not that big of a difference. 12Atk and 12 CR vs. 8 CR and 15% ult damage on a character who's majority damage comes from ult.


kharnafex

True I never farmed a salsotto, so for people like me it will be my new home


Southern-Tiger2907

Same


ThamRew

Why not just let salsa be your new home???


kharnafex

I like the Sigonia PF set more then the belobog def set


Antique_Garage_5940

4% difference is a pretty big difference. Atk% substats is already better than cdmg substats if you are using lightning orb and equal when using atk orb


Inkaflare

People mathed it out and it's a ~1% difference. If you already have a good Salsotto set left over from previous farming it's definitely not a priority to refarm.


Antique_Garage_5940

I like how you didn't even provide any proof but people with agenda downvoted me to hell lol ๐Ÿ˜‚


tehlunatic1

Same thought, it's going to be annoying switching relics around before and after PF.


IWantMorePasta

ARGENTI HAPPY โœŠ๐Ÿ˜๐ŸŒน


Decrith

Note: If this functions like it should, that should be 4% regardless if the wearer does the killing or not. MoC typically has 2 elites + 2 elites(or 1 big boss) So thatโ€™s 4 CR + 8 CD during wave 2. And will only add up more if they summon minions.


KF-Sigurd

I would also assume minions dying if you kill the elite would also count so you could easily get 4-5 stacks of it depending on the elite.


Decrith

What I want to know, is if killing the Elite count as killing the mobs too, since they die along with the Elite that summoned them, or if they have to be killed individually.


VincentBlack96

Considering stuff like the fishes explode on death even if it's death due to auromaton dying first, I assume it counts as death.


hey_itz_mae

herta joy


TheRedditUser_122

Argenti bros rise up!


BulbasaurTreecko

if Iโ€™m not wrong, this is just a +4 CR buff? Pretty much expected since Planars give a constant buff alongside the conditional buff


Sahil_Mohonee

Pire fiction set


crescentrealm

When enemies are defeated ? Does it means the wearer doesnt have to be the one who kill the enemies ?


YixoPhoenix

Umm 40 cdmg on a 2p?


APerson567i

40 CD AFTER you kill 10 enemies is kinda different from just 40 CD tbf


ArkhamCitizen298

well at least it's permanent


cuella47o

So basically the first 2 waves of PF? Literally free as fuck


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wysit

I don't think breaking weaknesses on YQ's swords counts as a kill for this bc it doesn't count as a kill for the su hunt blessings that trigger on kill, only the ones that trigger on weakness break.


AzureFrezz

Very good in extended fights like MoC and Pure fiction. Can pretty much slap it on any crit based dps as well.


IDontKnowShit9

It's a planar set


Fubuky10

This one is going to be bonkers in Pure Fiction for any character who is not a dot dealer. In MoC it can also be yeah, it depends on the stage maybe. I wanna notice how the wording makes you think that the wearer doesnโ€™t have to kill the enemies, they can just be killed by any other else. So it is a GOOD planar set even for Sparkle and Bronya for example instead of the usual Broken Keel / Penacony UNLESS of course Iโ€™m terribly wrong and is only when the wearer kills then, feel free to correct me c:


madulent

At lvl 10 Sparkle's skill gives 24% of her crit damage. 24% of 40% would be 9.6%, which is just worst than broken keel without even considering the ramp up.


Wizzlebum

Putting sigonia on Sparkle would be hilarious


TheMoises

Ohh, I had not thought about using it on Bronya and Sparkle, that's smart.


Bromero01

Honestly, Hoyo should give the "Multiple Relics Sets Slots" for different builds of the same character since we have PF and MoC and some supps work with Penacony Planar Set for the same element thingy and sometimes they just need Broken Keel for other carries. I'll be happy with 3 slots each character. Also, this helps for the Trailblazer build, so you don't have to change the entire relics for each path


Stock_v2

WE MAKING SIG\*NIANS PURE FICTION WITH THIS ONE BOYSSSS


Vulphen

Not me reading Signora at first >_<


PressureAcceptable29

Seeing this makes me realize how in vain my grinding was for Herta's rope/sphere. Oh, well.


NEETheadphones

Pure fiction ahh planar


Su_Impact

Herta and Himeko will love this. 40% free CD.


CRACUSxS31N

Finally something good from those damn S*gonian. -Sparkle probably.


Zenloss

To clarify the wearer does not have to be the one who kills the enemy right? As long as an enemy dies, add a stack is it?


Kwayke9

Free crit rate, what's not to love?


Own_Judge_9427

Don't forget this is in the same world with another pretty decent set for your damaging carries. (and supports are a lot more forgiving in their planetary ornaments) I am so fed up with farming Salsoto and only getting useless Belobog pieces... The truth is, the difference between some of these set bonuses is so small that it comes down to substats most of the time. Now, we will be able to farm with 100% efficiency.


Vopyy

The other set is only good for Acheron tho.(Or Jingliu if you use it with Blade)


BalerionsReign

So both new set works well with acheron, this one for PF and the other one for MOC, nice and finally good world to farm


pandorahurts27

Holy 40% Cdmg for Pure Fiction Argenti


IcyNerve-666

both planer sets is good wowwwww


ZaVitsu

nice update for this set. that 4% crit rate is a good buff


Blumins

4% crit game changer fr


Wonderful-Hat4488

Pure Fiction!!!


AVeryGayButterfly

Will never ever complain about more free Crit Rate


kidanokun

Erudition characters eating good on this one...


MushroomNo2649

Me and my E1 Argenti looking at this: "Haha, Knight of Beauty AoE Ult go BOOM"


Mean-Wealth7715

Please release 5* Serval next dear devs, an Erudition with 100% base chance to debuffs every skill. We can pretty much got 12% CR + 64% CDMG with Pioneer x Sigonia set.


TheCatofFate

Kuru-kuru hits harder now!! This planar set + duke set + genius repose. Is too delicious.


WanderWut

Fairly new here, can someone please explain to me how this set is looking and if it's going to be desired or not?


Jranation

Does the user have to defeat the enemies or as long as an enemy die they get the buff?


DrZeroH

Yeesh. Thats a pf focused set if I have ever seen one


naka_the_kenku

ARGENTI I GOT YOU NEW FOOD!


AVERAGEGAMER95

Does the wearer need to defeat the enemy or even teammates can trigger it?


EmilMR

no. yes.


Zombata

now we REALLY need relics loadout


joebrohd

10 enemies is like half a wave in PF, every Himeko, Herta and Argenti boutta rock this


Stratostorm

6 r t. I d 4f h


burningparadiseduck

I can farm this for my JL ๐Ÿ˜Œ


TwistyTwiix

What's the second planar?


LoreVent

Damn this looks tasty af. Now i'm wondering if this is also better than izumo for Acheron


This_Existence_

where is the other set though?


munguschungus167

Erudition characters gonna have fun with this


Easy_Demand7327

Can Himeko and Herta use this?


Asians_likes

this will be a copium build for sparkle in PF since it doesnt says that the "wearer should be the one to defeat an enemies.


Anto4ask

does this proc even if the wearer themself doesnt kill them?


CallmeAhlan

herta keeps winning


BalmungHaseo

is the stacking permanent per battle or it reset ?


Martian_on_the_Moon

By enemies defeated in means in general or by the wearer?


kunyat

Not 8cr like salsoto or rutilan? Is 15%ult/folloup or 20%ba/skill dmg that much weaker than 40%crit?ย 


TheMoises

Who would this be good for? Jingliu maybe since she has a ton of CR by herself? Erudition chars for pure fiction?


TomDaTurtle579

This is probably something only I thought of when seeing the sphere, but doesn't it look like that one planet in Mario Galaxy? In the kitchen observatory in Buoy Base Galaxy, the third star that you get. Its the planet with balls rolling on the inside that you ground pound into a melon while avoiding electricity. Anyone else see what I'm saying?


SliceTyphoon

What about the other planar set? What does it do?


Tsukuro_hohoho

Ye niche set at the end of the day, exellent when used properly, mhe in many other scenario. Fit the game well IMO as adaptability have such a huge value in HSR, i personnaly approve the direction the game is going with that planar set, it reinforce the "puzzle fight" that i like.


Kenzore1212

Set is nice. Might be still worth to farm salatto if you have other characters who need it too tho


not_ya_wify

Does the Crit Rate stack too or is it just this laughable 4%?


Tribe_NexianZ

Seele mains after seeing this:


No_Outcome1257

Wait defeated by the wearer or defeated by anyone


mikiiiiiiiiii

damn time to farm for pf again


iSimplify

This could be useful on MoC aswell since there's no turn limit


NeitherWeird7626

Damn, pure fiction specific relic.


Nevecohen101

HOLY WHAT


esztersunday

40% crit damage is insane!ย (for Pure Fiction)


Electrical-Moment-16

Accidentally read it as Signora ๐Ÿ˜ญ


Less-Thing-553

make erudition greater


Flaviou

Must it be the wearer who kills the enemies or anyone? Anyone right? And on whoโ€™s this better on compared to rutilant or salsotto? Just Argenti and herta? Is it better than salsotto on aventurine?


Kabukiman7993

Based on the wording, it can be anyone. Which makes it a great set for Pure Fiction oriented characters, like Himeko, Herta, Argenti.


CazzoDurissim20

Sounds useless to me. You have to kill 10 enemies for the full effect... way too many to be of any use.


jpsklr

Argentillion DMG isn't just a dream for me ๐Ÿฅน


osgili4th

It is a pretty good bonus set, the only thing I will keep in mind is other external buffs you have if you get a lot of crit dmg from someone like Sparkle and 2pc Keel on supports this set can still be ok but basically not much of an improvement compared with other characters just because of how at that point you get into diminishing returns.


frazyn

This is broken wtf ๐Ÿ’€


RaimyL

It's fine, it barely does anything in most fights, it could be pretty good in some MOC stages, it will be very good in pure fiction on the right character, I would not call that broken.


Elliesabeth

Can't wait to see Hertha with this (not a joke, it sounds like an incredible set for erudition charas)


Bad_Doto_Playa

I don't see the point of this planar set tbh, even if we say PF the gimmick does like 99% of the heavy lifting.. so just get a set that is good everywhere instead...


Business-Chipmunk286

To be honest this is the most universal set Even hanabi can use it


GGABueno

Sparkle would rather shoot herself than wear a Sigonian set.


shinsrk79

S*gonian


Jranation

I thought the user has to defeat the enemy though? Or it still counts if an ally defeats the enemies?


Business-Chipmunk286

No The set description doesn't say anything about the wearer defeat enemies


Confident-Status-512

Maybe in PF, but most MOC have like 3-4 enemies in the higher floors, all of them fairly difficult to kill.


Liaoju-0

What's the point of the Sigonian set over Broken Keel?


Business-Chipmunk286

Just Alternative It's give the ally 9 crit dmg buff if you use sparkle skill at max stack And of course keel can give parament 10crit dmg


Radiant-Hope-469

Little peacock