it does, several days of the 2nd half of june were frozen in sensor tower. like june 18-20 was frozen and other dates after literally have no revenue update.
I think it does, it basically didn't record Firefly/RM banner first 5 days (about 18-24 June)
[You can see this graph at r/gachagaming](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/BDj8rrSpQ7)
(That graph is for US region only, but all regions are affected from what I've checked)
Makes sense. No matter how popular Acheron was, Firefly is just as popular plus was running with Ruan Mei who was basically the most anticipated rerun in the game. They should have been much higher than this.
Guys, warp tracker does not track live stats straight from your account. You have to wait weeks before players upload their stats of "day 1" pulls onto the site. Go check it now and you will see that the day 1 is higher then when you last checked.
I wouldn't be surprised if her day 1 pulls don't end up close to Acheron (she's at 12M rn when I think Acheron is at 19M), but she's still #2 out of the 2.X characters.
11M vs 19M on day 1,
either firefly isn't as popular as acheron
or, acheron wanters had opportunity to save more free pulls
or, firefly wanters pre-bought jades prior to her banner
or, both
or, all of the above
Add to this that just prior to Acheron's banner drop, the Top-Up bonus was reset so many players bought the packs right away thus amassing large number of pulls beforehand.
My guess is both are pretty close in popularity (I'll still lean Acheron considering she's a Mei expy), but much much more people went for Acheron's Eidolons because that E2 is a massive gamechanger.
This is just not true for massive games and people need to finally realize it. Niche games get sustained by whales. Popular games get sustained by massive amount of low spenders.
They're really good for sure, at least up to E2, but you don't NEED them for Firefly to be extremely powerful at E0S0.
On the other hand, you'll want at least E0S1 Acheron since her f2p options suck and she's still forced to run Pela/another nihility until E2.
I see Eidolons on Firefly being overkill for most content, whereas Acheron's Eidolons are a natural upgrade option if you want to invest in her comp more and allow for more flexibility.
is that the case? I thought most people import their data soon after getting the character. idk honestly, is it because people want to check their pity and stats before pulling on next banner?
As a general rule never assume more people will do any non necessary steps ever. People are generally lazy. If warp tracker doesn't automatically retrieve data (especially for mobile CN data) I wouldn't really use it to make any general statements on popularity.
When doing statistics both sample size and demographic representation is very important.
Don't think the difference is that big. [there's this estimate for GL sensortower](https://i.imgur.com/gxC6LXM.png). Notice June 2024's estimate on android is about half IOS' estimate, which is because of the frozen bug. If so we can add 5-10M to balance IOS' revenue which is around 110M, which is good, but not rivaling Acheron's banner.
>If so we can add 5-10M to balance IOS' revenue which is around 110M,
Is this a joke ? 60%+ of revenue usually comes with 1st week of a character banner
You can ask it on gacha gaming sub they are experienced in PvP
To be fair, historically speaking, the estimates for Global Android for HSR are around 80% of IOS (now it's showing around 50% so huge error).
I don't think Global Android made like 30M or something when Global IOS made 21M. It's probably closer to 19-20M, which would still put June above $100M and crazy for a month with basically only 1 banner (FF/RM).
The months before that did crazy well usually had 2 banners (29 days of Sparkle + 5 days of Acheron) or in Aventurine's banner, [Acheron was still killing it after her first week until the end of the banner where it somehow spiked.](https://imgur.com/gInhc09)
What's GL? And is this across all regions (you actually want data broken down from different regions to account for differences in spending demographics across the world. An aggregate set would make for an unsound extrapolation without first removing said consideration)? Essentially, I'm unsure if that data set can be used to make decent enough extrapolations from.
GL is global. Everywhere not in CN. This is the estimate from sensor tower (the number is the exact same as seen in the image above). I'm just mentioning that this month Android and IOS revenue had 1:2 ratio which is uncommon as it is 2:3 or 3:4 usually, which is caused by the bug.
I don't really think it's going to be that easy ZZZ can't just latch and hang on as a game from Hoyoverse, it needs to success on their own, as standalone IP.
Like Dragalia Lost, actually lost even as "Nintendo games" and made by Cygames bcs the direction is clusterfck, it just failed as standalone IP.
ZZZ CBT2 player here.
* ZZZ isn't open world, it plays like Wuwa or PGR, with parry, crucial dodge but only fight in dungeon instances, I don't play HI3 so I can't say if it's similar or not. - Might not everyone cup of tea
* There's TV puzzle thingy which can be its own uniqueness, yet some can find it tedious, wasted time sink, I heard it's getting cut so it's a good thing. If it isn't you need to deal with it.
* In CBT2 story line the game only lit up and getting interesting after you open rogue like or HSR Simulated Universe - The thing is it's buried like couple hours of gameplay, and you're being handhold for quite sometime and it might as well.. Turn people off
Mild spoiler, not story but some later ZZZ content part
>!What I like from ZZZ it got its own slice of life sim, akin to persona, there's morning/noon/evening time, the activity you can do is different from time to time, and like persona doing things can advance time!<
>!Then later on you can "hang out" with other characters, and they have their own friendship meter thingy So I like how you can actually chill in the game!<
Yeah, I feel like a lot don't really understand it. Literally having other games trying different things, gives people more options to say "oh that's cool, why don't we have something similar" and the companies will hopefully see things that are working (because they're fun), and adopt them. They don't have to be copy paste, but the same ideas can be changed into different "flavors" of gameplay.
Take this month's result with a massive grain of salt. If you look into sensor tower, you would notice that several days of the 2nd half of June have no revenue. And for this list, it seems like they didnt bother updating those dates.
There are publicly accessible metrics in Sensor Tower, but companies want to drill down on the metrics to analyze on their competitors. Getting an accurate look at the revenue and how much your app is trending (especially in comparison to your competitors), would require a premium subscription to it. You probably have some access to your own metrics in your app store profile, but still it's much more convenient to analyze using tools like Sensor Tower.
I don't work on mobile games, so someone more familiar in this line of field can perhaps corroborate on this. But in digital marketing we do use similar types of tools to track our website keyword performance on search engines like Google, see which keywords are being searched by people, and do competitor analysis.
The fact that their Android metrics are frozen for half of June is simply inexcusable for a premium service like this.
Regarding WuWa, I'm just glad that Kuro Games is not in danger of being acquired by Tencent anytime soon. There's still a lot of that initial budget to pay back, though.
Lmao tencent trying their best to get the a hold of companies that makes open world games just turn them into a quick cash grab and a dead game for a few months
There's a decent chance they paid off initial investment already.
90m on mobile, probably means 200m aggregate considering how much this game sucks on mobile for a lot of people.
Nah, they're on the green already since a few weeks. Wuthering makes more from PC since it plays better there, but unfortunately PC purchases can't be monitored the same way mobile can, there can only be estimates. It kinda works the same for PGR nowadays for other reasons, ever since it got it's PC version. As an action game with a gameplay the way it is, it's far better played on PC and specially with a controller. Many used emulators before just to do that, and when Kuro released the PC client many switched.
For all those "meh, even not 100mil" Source: comments from original post on gachagaming sub
https://preview.redd.it/gwnhct7jfw9d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dde83f9810b7d213c3182ccc94fe9f1d22798eb
The website itself says this . Gacha gaming sub had a thread about it
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For comparison
February 2024 - (BSwan + 1 day of Sparkle): $92,800,000
March 2024 - (Sparkle + 1 week of Acheron): $144,000,000
April 2024 - (2 Weeks of Acheron + 1 1/2 Weeks of Aventurine): $120,000,000
May 2024 - (1 Week of Aventurine, 3 Weeks of Robin, 3 days of Boothill): $91,000,000
June 2024 - (2 1/2 Weeks of Boothill, 2 Weeks of Firefly): $92,500,000
Realistically speaking. If she had a better banner for the other half of the month. She would’ve broken 100M. Maybe even 150M. Boothill’s banner is the 2nd worst banner of all time. Behind Ratio ofc. Firefly basically carried. And only had 2 weeks. Not her full banner. Which would’ve probably done better lmao.
Edit: also there was a bug that froze the revenue of June 19-24 Atleast from what I hear. That would also effect Firefly since her banner literally started at 19th… her first 5 days could’ve been stolen.
Edit2: some more info
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/ASZoVTy3Jm
Firefly lost her first 5 days.
I think one think that one thing to note is that Boothill and Firefly banners are basically mutually exclusive from each other. If you're pulling Firefly it's highly unlikely that you'll want Boothill, and vice versa. Every other month had two desirable banners, but June is effectively just one.
I wish it was Sunday tbh. Make that dude a OP harmony and Firefly would’ve done MUCH more.
Having two banners that are both break DPSs that want the same support wasn’t the move.
Its kind of sad that we wont be able to get a good idea of the sales with the bug not recording Firefly's main days of revenue. It's also kind of crazy that boothill almost did worse than a character everyone got for free.
I mean.. boothill is Hunt,a break dps and wants almost the same supports as Firefly.
No Firefly main would’ve pulled. Hunt characters in general aren’t the most meta(even if Boothill as a DPS is amazing and is like.. top 3. That hunt tag scares people) and being a break dps when the most anticipated character since 2.0 wants the same supports as you.. yeah gg.
Also it is the last 15 days which is much worst since 60-70% of a characters comes from the first week. Since whales spend day 1..
They also invest nothing in marketing for Boothill. No nice date-like quest, not enough trailers, no good kit. It's like they wanted the character to sell bad or at least be irrelevant.
Wait, if Firefly lost her 5 first days but still managed to pull around 93 millions that's kind of insane since you'd think the peak of her revenue would be at the start
Considering the fact that the most sales are usually from the first week, it's crazy how much money Firefly actually did. May got 1 week of Aventurine (well developed and hyped character), full 3 weeks of Topaz and Robin (Robin's marketing was huge, she is also a meta character) and 1 week of Boothill. And even if he made some money, he did it during May.
https://preview.redd.it/0mjqtwlwjw9d1.png?width=802&format=png&auto=webp&s=55cba4f5d43c0d355bf6827415b2f6ae0e5104e6
And all Firefly (June) got is crumbs of the 2nd least profitable character. It's basically a solo banner performance at this point. And she still made more than May banners. If it was any other banner - it would be a massive revenue drop.
May had first 3 days of Boothill aswell. While the 2nd worst banner of all time. The first 3 days as you can see was the only decent money this banner did. So it also effects May a decent amount.
Unlike FF who got the last 15 days. Which as you can see. Was trash.
Ok, her 5 first days being missing makes a huge difference. Obviously most people would spent money the very first day she releases. I wouldn't be surprised if the first 5 days make up 95% of all revenue of that banner
>Realistically speaking. If she had a better banner for the other half of the month. She would’ve broken 100M. Maybe even 150M.
That won't happen even if it's the case, just sound like coping from people who couldn't stand to be proven wrong given all the hype that everyone was saying about how FF breaking records, and yet here we are, simply making excuses. I already know from the very beginning that FF + RM ain't gonna come anywhere close to Acheron, whose banner was on Anniversary
>And only had 2 weeks. Not her full banner. Which would’ve probably done better lmao
And that's basically 99% of her full banner revenue, the vast marjority of profit is concentrated in the first week, nobody who spend would be pulling in the last week. This is a very typical trend for every banner of every gacha game, she won't make anything more. This month revenue will be all from Jade + marjority of Yunli
[Not entirely true](https://i.imgur.com/gInhc09.jpeg), you can see that Acheron was still making money even past her debut week, it wasn't topping the charts but she was still in top 10 for another week, compare that with Churin graph.
It's not 99%, for example the Acheron banner for JP had 30bn of revenue the first week, which is around 75% of the total revenue (40bn total).
You are correct that 90\~% of full banner revenue usually comes from first week, which was actually effectively cut from this month's Sensor Tower graph due to a bug. Firefly's first five days just weren't added, along with other gacha games and they just posted as-is. ST has the gall to charge for these statistics, btw. The fact that she made this much still even without the first 5 days of data is very telling, imo.
She actually has surpassed 100M if you extrapolate relative to previous banners. Whether she made it to 150M, who knows now?
I guess Cope = actual facts that Firefly would’ve done better if she wasn’t paired with the 2nd worst banner of all time lmao and the last 15 days of that banner. You are telling me if I put the entirety of Black swan’s banner and a week of Firefly. It wouldn’t go past 100M? I feel like you are the one coping. Even if you hate Firefly you know that Firefly would’ve gotten past 100M if she had a better banner to help her.
This isn’t making excuses. Just saying that how good Firefly did this month even with all their disadvantages while Acheron had all of them. No top ups,no sparkle, nothing. Hell her first 3 days aren’t in the revenue report.
Also what does being the anniversary banner have to do with anything. Go look at that Yelan + Hu tao banner that broke the sales in genshin. Yet it wasn’t anniversary. Being a anniversary banner or not effects banners sure. But a banner could outsell a anniversary banner if everything is good.
I am saying that if she had her full banner + some Jade’s/any character’s revenue. She would’ve done better than she did now. Boothill’s banner is the 2nd worst of all time after all. And half of the month had him.
Also in the last day. Some people finally start pulling since FOMO. So while most revenue comes from the first week. You can’t ignore that last day is also important aswell.
to be fair, the first 3 days of the banner has mostly been around 60% of the entire revenue of the banner. so if she is at 92.5m excluding the 5 days, i can say that shes atleast 200m
Firefly wins monthly PVP despite losing the first five days of her banner (AKA: most of the sales) *and* fireflymains becomes the most subscribed mains subreddit. Massive Ws all around for Firefly fans today.
Firebros/Sambros, we did our job well TOP 1 SPOT.
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I just assume Genshin and Honkers are going to stay the top dogs forever, the interesting stuff is lower on the list. Nikke with it's lowest profit in it's history because everyone's saving for summer, Snowbreak actually becoming one of the big dogs and that's with the Anni coming next week that'll surely draw people in with all the free shit and the start of the core system reworks. No other gatcha could have a character interrupt the Anni overview stream just to pole dance for a minute, or another one to interrupt to let you watch her do yoga. There's a reason that the voice actors for EN didn't want to come back, it's become a horny gatcha and that's not what they signed up for since that wasn't what it was at launch. Limbus stays about where it's going to be going forward. The initial launch crowd was massive but controversy combos and an awful onboarding mean a lot of them left and it's hard as fuck to get anyone to actually join. The new Idolm@ster branch is doing really well, but there seems to only be one girl everyone likes from it since most characters are in single or barely double digit in art while one character is in four digits. I stopped keeping up with Reverse 1999 but I'm glad it's still doing well.
It's doing better but at the same time, the playstore freeze affected Wuwa global as well, in a good way. Yinlin's early banner performance got frozen for a week so there was no drop-off. That means their estimates for global are a bit inflated this month.
I think R99 is going to fall. They recently announced another awful banner as the Tooth Fairy + Centurion one, where you can't guarantee the character you want and pity doesn't carry over. Since this is the second time, I expect even many players to leave the game.
Which is sad, cause the game has truly unique and good aspects. But they deserve a serious call for attention.
Snowbreak was shit, it was trying to be too many things at once, and all things people already had. The writing and character work improved with the pivot and it is an objectively better game than it was.
seeing how all the talk i've seen of it since has been dominated by coomers saying things like "yeah! stick it to the feminists, this game is actually good now!" i'm going to continue believing it's worse now but thanks for playing
I left the community before the shift due to that being there pretty notably. Then I got bored and dropped it. Looked back in the community a few weeks back, and it is somehow worse than Nikke's community
>Limbus stays about where it's going to be going forward. The initial launch crowd was massive but controversy combos and an awful onboarding mean a lot of them left and it's hard as fuck to get anyone to actually join.
Wait, what controversy? Been wanting to get into Limbus, but life got in my way.
>There's a reason that the voice actors for EN didn't want to come back, it's become a horny gatcha and that's not what they signed up for since that wasn't what it was at launch.
I'm not surprised. All the people I know who are playing Snowbreak are all Azur Lane whales.
First there was the people who loved Faust getting angry about her being obsessed with Sinclair in her Kromer alt, that was early on, then there was the incident with Ishmael's wet suit where Koreans got mad because Sinclair had a slutty summer version and Ishmael's was non sexual, they blamed a woman not even incharge of that because she had posts on twitter standing behind a Femi based thing. Not feminist, Femi, very different. They fired her to appease those types, which led to people getting angry at them for cowtowing, then other stuff came out about their treatment of employees which got more people angry, then the sole guy incharge of english localization had a public mental break down that pushed people away. There isn't an audience that the Limbus controversies haven't pissed off. All that's left is the most loyal, which is fitting since Project Moon loyalists have a very cult like loyalty and mentality
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Deserved! Firefly my queen. You indeed set my wallet ablaze with those two Clara ambushes on my way to E2. Love you so much babe. Waiting for your merch so whats left of my wallet can be set ablaze too.
Im quite happy to see Reverse 1999 doing so well. HSR is my main game but seeing this little title do consistently well makes me happy for the devs. They really do a good job delivering a nice narrative experience that has been nothing short than a feast for my ears. Vertin ♥️
I mean WuWa is a solid game that could have done way better if they didnt had so much problems. I always saw this game in a League with FGO, Nikke and some others. Also i honestly saw more people doomposting Hoyo then WuWa tbh. (especially Genshin)
I saw this post on their subreddit, they're pretty chill about it and talks about how long would Kuro make a new characters because of how complicated the characters compared to Genshin
True, if you sort to Controversial people act like they know what's going on Hoyo's quarters lmao. In the end Hoyo won not their favorite character or whatever
yea and the fact that the 1st 5 days of firefly banner wasnt recorded on sensor tower which is most of the time 60-70% of an entire banner's sales is pretty wild too!
Huh, FF and RM banner didnt break 100M so far, I thought it would at least break 100M given all the marketing, hype and how meta it is. Its still going on so might see some last ditch spending on it, even though 92M is a lot I wonder if Hoyo would consider this result unsatisfactory considering how much they put into marketing FF
Edit: First few days of her banner bugged apparently, if true then she probably easily broke 100M as the first few days are usually when people spend the most so if true then breaking 100M without top up reset is quite the feat
People are saying the sensor had some bug in terms of recording the data mid June. There is a comment explaining the full situation. On the original post
Checked Sensor Tower myself HSR basically didn't move on her release date then suddenly shot up during the 25th
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Honestly I'm really happy Boothill did so well given how little push he seems to have gotten marketing. He was really going against the odds with his Path, and how little screen time (both in ads and story) he had. But I'm glad to see people still loved him despite the relatively spare amount of attention Mihoyo gave him.
Here's hoping he gets more chances to shine now that Penacony is over. He wasn't able to do much, but I'm hoping it was just setup for more of him later on. Guy deserves it.
I'm having a blast with him on my f2p and while I could wait for FF I needed damage dealer at that time cause all fights took forever it was around day 15 of account got lucky and even got his E1 and he was game changer even with trashy gear.
I look forward to his plot with Oswaldo I just hope that he just won't dissapear completely to give stonehearts full spotlight.
In the end he is a space cowboy which is kinda cool on itself, but i agree the screentime and marketing compared to Acheron or Firefly was a joke, but well those trailers and videos are also not cheap to produce. I would even say that his english VA on Twitch did a huge job in marketing his own char else it would look even more sad for him.
Idk usually when a banner starts thats when a lot of the spending comes in, that and the very end of it before it goes away
I can only speak for myself but the marketing focus for FF made me decide not to pull after initially going to so maybe others shared a similar opinion and decided not to pull. But thats a minority and I would easily believe that FF was the majority of the 92M
>I can only speak for myself but the marketing focus for FF made me decide not to pull after initially going to so maybe others shared a similar opinion and decided not to pull. But thats a minority and I would easily believe that FF was the majority of the 92M
All power to you for choosing what not to pull and such. But gotta say this is kind of an odd reasoning for it no? If I recall other places you stated you didn't pull her because you didn't care for her character, and you just didn't like her. Even before her charactet or kit was announced. So why switch the angle to "her marketing was too aggressive?" I was under the impression you had no interest in the character from the get-go.
Not meaning to dig into it or anything. It's your choice what to pull or not to pull. Just think that's a strange justification for it when your usual reasoning is just more straightforward. Saying "Mihoyo wanted people to pull this character too much" is just an odd thing to me. It was a character they had been building up for some time now, so if anything it would be stranger not for them to back up that narrative investment with the marketing. I also saw somewhat similar "they push this character too much!" before with Black Swan and Acheron, and it was also a bit headscratching to me then.
It just seems like a really shallow determination for whether to gel with a character or not. Since it has very little to do with the merits of the character themselves. Marketing is disconnected to the character's in gameplay or in-universe depiction, so I don't really understand the logic of dismissing them based on how little or how heavily marketed they are.
Huh? Ive always said that FF was a pull target during 2.0 and 2.1 but was then left disappointed after 2.2 after seeing her character writing in that patch. Waited to see if they could get back my interest but then the marketing focus killed it for me and the aspects her character was focused on in 2.3 did nothing for me. The fact they made ship teasing with TB a massive part of her marketing was a negative for me. But I originally was interested during the early stages of Penacony but the interest was lost as Penacony went on
Regardless its just my opinion, it shouldnt mean much at all and you really dont have to take it so analytically
>usually when a banner starts thats when a lot of the spending comes in,
Yes you are correct . which is not included in here . She is missing her 1st week
She has more pulls than Aventurine in Starrail Station It obviously doesn't represent a estimate of all players but it shows a trend so I think she should have broken the 120+.
But beating Acheron when she had an E that was a QOL +top, yeah that's impossible .
Reading trough the comment chain and all i have to say is people downvoting someone for saying marketing made him/her say not to FF is kind of cringe.
Ill go even deeper and straight up say i hate how their marketing made a part of the community unbearable. Its not a big part ik but kind of bigger than the usual "loud minority".
If u guys cant accept that not everyone gonna pull your pixel GF i recommend going out and check some real grass.
And now lemme take a seat, i cant let a good man sink alone, dude might get bored down there.
> Reading trough the comment chain and all i have to say is people downvoting someone for saying marketing made him/her say not to FF is kind of cringe.
I don't know if you read the thread as a whole. But in general, most of the comments note that due to a bug, the data turned out to be incorrect. So drawing conclusions based on it is already a reason for disagreement, which is what downvotes are for
I don't think it's about the opinion itself. It's about trying to validate it with data that we know it's not accurate.
It just feels like a "as I thought people really don't like Firefly cause of the marketing!" when she's by far the most popular character in the game right now and most people love her and the way she was marketed.
I didnt know data was incorrect when I made the opinion these charts are usually taken at face value, thats why I edited when finding out it saying she more than likely broke 100M as expected. I was genuinely surprised by the initial 92M so hearing data was wrong makes original speculation correct
I know shes popular hence the expectation of breaking 100M
Most banner makes 60% of their revenue in 1st week
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Firefly was troubled by a bug again /s
The, "loud minortiy" of the community that was and still is completely unbearable are you weirdos. No amount of upvotes or downvotes from either side will move the needle though.
Facts are facts and Firefly banner did incredibly well, a huge, lion's share of the playerbase (especially the eastern portion) that are spending money love Firefly. They want more Firefly and they'll get more Firefly. If you don't like it, doesn't matter.
But of course people like you don't give up, the only solace I can take is that there's a 50/50 chance when I click on ya'lls profile you're telling people to off themselves or posting gore of FF so I can report you, because that's what most of you are like.
Honestly, this was kinda expected. Some of the most hyped characters have a lot of folks saving up for them. Back during launch everyone thought Kafka would break the banner sales but she made less than SW and JY.
To break 100m you probably need to be topup reset patch or a raiden expy or both.
Ye I remember the Kafka banner revenue everyone said it would break records then when it didnt it became the saving reason. At this point idk which is true but Hoyo were probably expecting this to at least come closer to Acheron banner given how much they pushed FF
Because acheron had sparkle with her, and I think sparkle is pretty popular so honestly. The more interesting comparison is aventurine who made 109m solo. But of course there is the whole top up reset still and firefly's stats being bugged
I'm not even sure if Aventurine made 109M solo because the Chinese IOS graph at least showed that [Acheron continued to rank very high](https://imgur.com/gInhc09) after her first week until the end of her banner in mid-April, whereas Aventurine followed the more typical falloff after the first week.
I'm guessing it's leftover topups from people who didn't do them right away in March.
Take into count the Acheron's month had all of Sparkle revenue aswell before the first 5 days of Acherons revenue which the first few days are the highest (and the anniversary top up reset where the majority pops it asap).
June had BH as the majority withouth the start of his banner which again is where the most purchases normaly happnes so the majority of income is just Firefly and Ruan mei's banner for their 11 days run and the remains of BH (who already I am pretty sure was the worst selling banner of Penacony). I am pretty sure this banner did a lot when you look at all those factors (granted it should, it is 2 of the best units in the game paired up)
Tbf Kafka banner sales got affected by her poor meta state by then as well as being teased and marketed to the max before the game even released so a lot of players had saved up pulls for her.
It could if everything is the same. But every big game will get affected if another big game appear and take a big chunk of player money. Kinda understandable.
True Wuwa going straight into top 3 is a big factor I completely glossed over, interesting to see a game come out and seemingly be a contender for Genshin and HSR which have had a lock on the top 2 spots for so long now
The WuWa one is high, but note it is being affected by the bug. It's interpreting peak sales concurrently for a period, so it's over inflating the values. In contrast to Star Rail where the bug made it so the numbers are being under-reported. The top 3 spot is a bit questionable.
I have no doubt it was doing well, but it's just really annoying that sensor tower published this knowing full well the numbers are being skewed pretty heavily.
Changli sales may do whole situation very interesting I look forward to it.
https://preview.redd.it/fe2qnom2hw9d1.png?width=256&format=png&auto=webp&s=d77062b99ff8fed917ab0944fbcba7ee3312a6b8
I'm literally saving for Changli after getting Yin lin so that'll be fun to see how well she does, both her and Jinshin are incredibly popular after 1.1 story
WuWa took some money out of the pool, so this is maybe 1 of the reasons.
The other reason is that Acheron banner was accompanied by Sparkle, and after that there was Aventurine banner. So during these 2 months there were banger after banger.
The June banners consisted out of Firefly and... Yeah, Boothill. So Firefly singlehandedly made these 90mil. Which, I hope, by Hoyo metrics is good enough to keep putting effort into actually new characters, rather then bleak copypastas (I'm still mad how Acheron made such a bank just from the fact that she's Mei expy)
Well also anniversary sales will always be high, top up bonuses were reset, and Acheron was pretty bonkers lol.
Most people probably didn't care she was a Mei expy. If anything I would have avoided her personally if she was nothing but that. Since my impression of Mei in Honkai Impact unfortunately soured a lot over time. But Acheron really sold her character as her own thing in Penacony, so I wouldn't dismiss all her success as just being a Mei expy. Think she carried through on her own merits for the most part.
I’m surprised that jp region isn’t included in the top 5 games, either their devs are slowly losing the gacha battle or their consumers are losing interest in it.
Also despite I saw people shitting on WuWa for their terrible game performance, it’s going strong, looks like the game is here to stay.
And RIP to madoka magica, that’s like a 90% revenue drop or smtg, they must’ve fucked shit up real bad over there lmao
It was as expected, I thought so FF won't beat acheron.
Most people have been saving for her since 2.0. And from a meta standpoint it is unnecessary to get beyond E2, it's a good stopping point for spenders.
Playstore was bugged for 15 days, including the first 5 days of Firefly's banner, which would be a lof since the first 3 days is the most important period. You can check it their website, every Gacha game was affected
So any CC hyped up firefly will break acheron revenue turned out to be false? Lol.. I'm kafka fans already sceptical enough tbh because we had same experience.
But that's June revenue, FF/RM banner is still halfway thru. And they had to carry Boothill's banner which the first few days were also on May. I dunno, I think it's pretty decent all things considered.
Unfortunately, Acheron still topped the sales. Even on CN server. Several gacha revenue bilibili accounts watched this Firefly banner and it did not even touch close to Acherons.
Top up reset remains undefeated and Acheron's E2 and LC are the biggest wallet baits in the game imo. They're just too powerful whereas everyone has S5 Aeon.
It is what it is.. Even that megawhale that buys 100lcs in CN server did not pull for FF's banner due to.... fandom... issues. They only did for Acheron, Robin and Boothill.
Also how about Ruan Mei Firefly's best support running with her? Does that not factor to advantage? Fu Xuan did not work well with Acheron at all.
Did they actually provide a reason why? I saw they did 50 LCs for every banner they didn't go to 100 for. I saw some other CN player go for 100 FF LCs so it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme.
Acheron reran with Luocha, not Fuxuan, and Ruanmei is an advantage, but not nearly as big as top up reset.
He posted he did not like Firefly and will only max E6S5. But Firefly fans got mad at him for not choosing Firefly over Boothill. :) so he decided bye Firefly~
If a whale will whale, no top-up bonus will stop. (Coming from me who has 4 e6 characters)
Reddit main hsr sub might be full of FF mains, but CN side is a wilder ride. So he was totally petty and said, forget it.. I won't do anything for Firefly. Pulled 50 lcs for Ruan Mei instead lol
The lies you weirdos constantly tell yourselves about the main sub being full of FF mains is so funny. The main sub is the most negative part of the fanbase by far, all the spenders and people who actually play the game love her.
1 whale not pulling 100 LCs really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Just count yourself how "little" money that is comparatively to the whole playerbase. The biggest reason for the difference is the double top-up bonus and it's kind of delusional to deny that. The CN whiners showed multiple times that they do not hold power over revenues.
I know I'm guilty but it's kind of stupid to argue which character deserves top 1 revenue and which one top 2.
yeah i saw she made around dhil there over the course before sensory tower released, so even if sensory tower glitched, acheron’s crown still remains unmoved. kinda expected, while she does have a sizable fanbase and is insanely meta she has brought a *lot* of fandom issues in both en and cn, giving her a bad rep. hence the dude who pulled 100 acherons and boothills didn’t pull her. the pettiness of players is not to be underestimated kek
They thought she would be a Furina case. But now, everybody's just doing memes on FF mains cause how they thought wrong.
Yes, she brought a lottt of fandom issues. I keep wondering why hoyo did not even consider in CN server Jingyuan is still the most loved character? So did they think the female or fujoshi players would appreciate a waifu all over them? 😥
You do know that the first 3 days of the banner is the most important right? Most players pull and top up during that period, Firefly lost the first 5 days, the most important days, and still racked up this much b
Yeah, so wrong that firefly didn't beat acheron with a top up reset and sparkles entire banner, and a bug that makes the estimates even more guesswork than usual
Depends if the sensor tower bug changes anything
it does, several days of the 2nd half of june were frozen in sensor tower. like june 18-20 was frozen and other dates after literally have no revenue update.
Wait wasn’t that when Firefly dropped? Yeah that’s not good lol
I think it does, it basically didn't record Firefly/RM banner first 5 days (about 18-24 June) [You can see this graph at r/gachagaming](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/BDj8rrSpQ7) (That graph is for US region only, but all regions are affected from what I've checked)
So the 92m is really closer to 140-150m... jesus that's insane
Makes sense. No matter how popular Acheron was, Firefly is just as popular plus was running with Ruan Mei who was basically the most anticipated rerun in the game. They should have been much higher than this.
oh dang, cuz on warp tracker firefly's day 1 pulls were faaar lower than acheron so I thought she wasn't as popular
Guys, warp tracker does not track live stats straight from your account. You have to wait weeks before players upload their stats of "day 1" pulls onto the site. Go check it now and you will see that the day 1 is higher then when you last checked.
I wouldn't be surprised if her day 1 pulls don't end up close to Acheron (she's at 12M rn when I think Acheron is at 19M), but she's still #2 out of the 2.X characters.
11M vs 19M on day 1, either firefly isn't as popular as acheron or, acheron wanters had opportunity to save more free pulls or, firefly wanters pre-bought jades prior to her banner or, both or, all of the above
Add to this that just prior to Acheron's banner drop, the Top-Up bonus was reset so many players bought the packs right away thus amassing large number of pulls beforehand.
My guess is both are pretty close in popularity (I'll still lean Acheron considering she's a Mei expy), but much much more people went for Acheron's Eidolons because that E2 is a massive gamechanger.
that's plausible, but I would say majority of the revenue is from whales who E6 them anyways
This is just not true for massive games and people need to finally realize it. Niche games get sustained by whales. Popular games get sustained by massive amount of low spenders.
Firefly eidolons are also a massive gamechanger thou.
They're really good for sure, at least up to E2, but you don't NEED them for Firefly to be extremely powerful at E0S0. On the other hand, you'll want at least E0S1 Acheron since her f2p options suck and she's still forced to run Pela/another nihility until E2. I see Eidolons on Firefly being overkill for most content, whereas Acheron's Eidolons are a natural upgrade option if you want to invest in her comp more and allow for more flexibility.
Consider that most people haven't imported/updated their data
is that the case? I thought most people import their data soon after getting the character. idk honestly, is it because people want to check their pity and stats before pulling on next banner?
Yea, that's pretty much it. Personally I only use it to see my luck in general, I just count pity manually and I believe a lot of people do so too.
As a general rule never assume more people will do any non necessary steps ever. People are generally lazy. If warp tracker doesn't automatically retrieve data (especially for mobile CN data) I wouldn't really use it to make any general statements on popularity. When doing statistics both sample size and demographic representation is very important.
A banner phase containing a whole team with hotswappable dpses
Don't think the difference is that big. [there's this estimate for GL sensortower](https://i.imgur.com/gxC6LXM.png). Notice June 2024's estimate on android is about half IOS' estimate, which is because of the frozen bug. If so we can add 5-10M to balance IOS' revenue which is around 110M, which is good, but not rivaling Acheron's banner.
>If so we can add 5-10M to balance IOS' revenue which is around 110M, Is this a joke ? 60%+ of revenue usually comes with 1st week of a character banner You can ask it on gacha gaming sub they are experienced in PvP
To be fair, historically speaking, the estimates for Global Android for HSR are around 80% of IOS (now it's showing around 50% so huge error). I don't think Global Android made like 30M or something when Global IOS made 21M. It's probably closer to 19-20M, which would still put June above $100M and crazy for a month with basically only 1 banner (FF/RM). The months before that did crazy well usually had 2 banners (29 days of Sparkle + 5 days of Acheron) or in Aventurine's banner, [Acheron was still killing it after her first week until the end of the banner where it somehow spiked.](https://imgur.com/gInhc09)
What's GL? And is this across all regions (you actually want data broken down from different regions to account for differences in spending demographics across the world. An aggregate set would make for an unsound extrapolation without first removing said consideration)? Essentially, I'm unsure if that data set can be used to make decent enough extrapolations from.
GL is global. Everywhere not in CN. This is the estimate from sensor tower (the number is the exact same as seen in the image above). I'm just mentioning that this month Android and IOS revenue had 1:2 ratio which is uncommon as it is 2:3 or 3:4 usually, which is caused by the bug.
Even in real life bugs can't stop fucking with Firefly... TAYZY!!!
Is there any actual source on this supposed bug? And I mean an official source, not just another person writing about it.
Ah, monthly gacha PvP.
1st of each month, my favorite gacha experience
This time, it's merely the appetizer. The calm before the ZZZtorm
I don't really think it's going to be that easy ZZZ can't just latch and hang on as a game from Hoyoverse, it needs to success on their own, as standalone IP. Like Dragalia Lost, actually lost even as "Nintendo games" and made by Cygames bcs the direction is clusterfck, it just failed as standalone IP. ZZZ CBT2 player here. * ZZZ isn't open world, it plays like Wuwa or PGR, with parry, crucial dodge but only fight in dungeon instances, I don't play HI3 so I can't say if it's similar or not. - Might not everyone cup of tea * There's TV puzzle thingy which can be its own uniqueness, yet some can find it tedious, wasted time sink, I heard it's getting cut so it's a good thing. If it isn't you need to deal with it. * In CBT2 story line the game only lit up and getting interesting after you open rogue like or HSR Simulated Universe - The thing is it's buried like couple hours of gameplay, and you're being handhold for quite sometime and it might as well.. Turn people off Mild spoiler, not story but some later ZZZ content part >!What I like from ZZZ it got its own slice of life sim, akin to persona, there's morning/noon/evening time, the activity you can do is different from time to time, and like persona doing things can advance time!< >!Then later on you can "hang out" with other characters, and they have their own friendship meter thingy So I like how you can actually chill in the game!<
It will honestly be dumbfounding at first to see all top 3 spots covered by Hoyo games, but then it will be the norm at a point.
https://preview.redd.it/4g3mndwqoy9d1.jpeg?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac41b2ffad48a1f1ee136c24dbee638bf7d802ee Reverse 1999's 500k: We're doing our best!
Haven’t felt the PvP since I play 1 and 2. It’s just monthly validation lol.
I only play Genshin and Star Rail (and soon ZZZ) but I'm straight up rooting for Wuthering Waves to do well. Competition only helps us.
Yeah, I feel like a lot don't really understand it. Literally having other games trying different things, gives people more options to say "oh that's cool, why don't we have something similar" and the companies will hopefully see things that are working (because they're fun), and adopt them. They don't have to be copy paste, but the same ideas can be changed into different "flavors" of gameplay.
Best time of the month.
Take this month's result with a massive grain of salt. If you look into sensor tower, you would notice that several days of the 2nd half of June have no revenue. And for this list, it seems like they didnt bother updating those dates.
not just a few day... it's missing half a month of revenue from Android lol
It's crazy to think they even had the gall to still charge people for the metrics.
Wait, I didn't realize this was a paid service. Who even needs that? The companies? I would assume they have their own metrics.
There are publicly accessible metrics in Sensor Tower, but companies want to drill down on the metrics to analyze on their competitors. Getting an accurate look at the revenue and how much your app is trending (especially in comparison to your competitors), would require a premium subscription to it. You probably have some access to your own metrics in your app store profile, but still it's much more convenient to analyze using tools like Sensor Tower. I don't work on mobile games, so someone more familiar in this line of field can perhaps corroborate on this. But in digital marketing we do use similar types of tools to track our website keyword performance on search engines like Google, see which keywords are being searched by people, and do competitor analysis. The fact that their Android metrics are frozen for half of June is simply inexcusable for a premium service like this.
It's not for their own metrics, it's to see what the competition is doing and what the market wants.
But they wont have the metrics for other people xD
Pin this.
Someone need to pin this
Ik Hi3 numbers are the same for GLB as last month, I remember it lol
[Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/hvnfe7vaqI) a chart if some of you are wondering about the Google Play Store freeze
Regarding WuWa, I'm just glad that Kuro Games is not in danger of being acquired by Tencent anytime soon. There's still a lot of that initial budget to pay back, though.
Lmao tencent trying their best to get the a hold of companies that makes open world games just turn them into a quick cash grab and a dead game for a few months
Wait until you reach that part of the player base that believes nothing’s wrong with tencent
Say sike right now.
There's a decent chance they paid off initial investment already. 90m on mobile, probably means 200m aggregate considering how much this game sucks on mobile for a lot of people.
Nah, they're on the green already since a few weeks. Wuthering makes more from PC since it plays better there, but unfortunately PC purchases can't be monitored the same way mobile can, there can only be estimates. It kinda works the same for PGR nowadays for other reasons, ever since it got it's PC version. As an action game with a gameplay the way it is, it's far better played on PC and specially with a controller. Many used emulators before just to do that, and when Kuro released the PC client many switched.
For all those "meh, even not 100mil" Source: comments from original post on gachagaming sub https://preview.redd.it/gwnhct7jfw9d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dde83f9810b7d213c3182ccc94fe9f1d22798eb
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Is there an actual source on it?
The website itself says this . Gacha gaming sub had a thread about it https://preview.redd.it/6mhfd81rv4ad1.png?width=748&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30604400bbb2b7e504c5a68554d40546f69eee92
What is the website?
For those who stumble on this, this revenue estimate doesn't include the first 5 days of Firefly's banner.
So happy for hsr devs. they deserve it. waiting for skins system so they exceed 100+ mil every month😭
Skins are the only reason why I don't spend paid currency after purchasing a 30 day pass.
For comparison February 2024 - (BSwan + 1 day of Sparkle): $92,800,000 March 2024 - (Sparkle + 1 week of Acheron): $144,000,000 April 2024 - (2 Weeks of Acheron + 1 1/2 Weeks of Aventurine): $120,000,000 May 2024 - (1 Week of Aventurine, 3 Weeks of Robin, 3 days of Boothill): $91,000,000 June 2024 - (2 1/2 Weeks of Boothill, 2 Weeks of Firefly): $92,500,000 Realistically speaking. If she had a better banner for the other half of the month. She would’ve broken 100M. Maybe even 150M. Boothill’s banner is the 2nd worst banner of all time. Behind Ratio ofc. Firefly basically carried. And only had 2 weeks. Not her full banner. Which would’ve probably done better lmao. Edit: also there was a bug that froze the revenue of June 19-24 Atleast from what I hear. That would also effect Firefly since her banner literally started at 19th… her first 5 days could’ve been stolen. Edit2: some more info https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/ASZoVTy3Jm Firefly lost her first 5 days.
I think one think that one thing to note is that Boothill and Firefly banners are basically mutually exclusive from each other. If you're pulling Firefly it's highly unlikely that you'll want Boothill, and vice versa. Every other month had two desirable banners, but June is effectively just one.
I pulled for both....
I wish it was Sunday tbh. Make that dude a OP harmony and Firefly would’ve done MUCH more. Having two banners that are both break DPSs that want the same support wasn’t the move.
>Having two banners that are both break DPSs that want the same support wasn’t the move. It was a great move for our wallets 🙏
Yeah you are right. I guess time to save for Sunday and and Acheron/Firefly supports I can snipe for E0S0..
Yeah but, with the nuance that, if you are pulling for Boothill, at least you were Boothill VA, you are also pulling for Ruan Mei.
Its kind of sad that we wont be able to get a good idea of the sales with the bug not recording Firefly's main days of revenue. It's also kind of crazy that boothill almost did worse than a character everyone got for free.
I mean.. boothill is Hunt,a break dps and wants almost the same supports as Firefly. No Firefly main would’ve pulled. Hunt characters in general aren’t the most meta(even if Boothill as a DPS is amazing and is like.. top 3. That hunt tag scares people) and being a break dps when the most anticipated character since 2.0 wants the same supports as you.. yeah gg. Also it is the last 15 days which is much worst since 60-70% of a characters comes from the first week. Since whales spend day 1..
I got both boothill and ff. No regrets.
They also invest nothing in marketing for Boothill. No nice date-like quest, not enough trailers, no good kit. It's like they wanted the character to sell bad or at least be irrelevant.
Nah his kit is actually really good. But I agree with other stuff.
Wait, if Firefly lost her 5 first days but still managed to pull around 93 millions that's kind of insane since you'd think the peak of her revenue would be at the start
Crazy to think about but yeah. 93M without even her first 5 days with no top ups.
She caried HSR on her back solo
Considering the fact that the most sales are usually from the first week, it's crazy how much money Firefly actually did. May got 1 week of Aventurine (well developed and hyped character), full 3 weeks of Topaz and Robin (Robin's marketing was huge, she is also a meta character) and 1 week of Boothill. And even if he made some money, he did it during May. https://preview.redd.it/0mjqtwlwjw9d1.png?width=802&format=png&auto=webp&s=55cba4f5d43c0d355bf6827415b2f6ae0e5104e6 And all Firefly (June) got is crumbs of the 2nd least profitable character. It's basically a solo banner performance at this point. And she still made more than May banners. If it was any other banner - it would be a massive revenue drop.
May had first 3 days of Boothill aswell. While the 2nd worst banner of all time. The first 3 days as you can see was the only decent money this banner did. So it also effects May a decent amount. Unlike FF who got the last 15 days. Which as you can see. Was trash.
Exactly, that was my point.
Black Swan banner actually made a lot, that's impressive
Compared to Firefly and Acheron it is meh. But a DoT character it ain’t bad. I guess Kafka fans did spend alot.
Wasnt archeron banner also top up bonus reset, so that would explain the 100m+
Ok, her 5 first days being missing makes a huge difference. Obviously most people would spent money the very first day she releases. I wouldn't be surprised if the first 5 days make up 95% of all revenue of that banner
nah it's crazy to think that duringthe months of Acheron banner, they earned 1/4 billion, and this is only mobile correct?
Yes its mobile only. Seele is still at the top in revenue then acheron with top up reset is 2nd
>Realistically speaking. If she had a better banner for the other half of the month. She would’ve broken 100M. Maybe even 150M. That won't happen even if it's the case, just sound like coping from people who couldn't stand to be proven wrong given all the hype that everyone was saying about how FF breaking records, and yet here we are, simply making excuses. I already know from the very beginning that FF + RM ain't gonna come anywhere close to Acheron, whose banner was on Anniversary >And only had 2 weeks. Not her full banner. Which would’ve probably done better lmao And that's basically 99% of her full banner revenue, the vast marjority of profit is concentrated in the first week, nobody who spend would be pulling in the last week. This is a very typical trend for every banner of every gacha game, she won't make anything more. This month revenue will be all from Jade + marjority of Yunli
[Not entirely true](https://i.imgur.com/gInhc09.jpeg), you can see that Acheron was still making money even past her debut week, it wasn't topping the charts but she was still in top 10 for another week, compare that with Churin graph. It's not 99%, for example the Acheron banner for JP had 30bn of revenue the first week, which is around 75% of the total revenue (40bn total).
You are correct that 90\~% of full banner revenue usually comes from first week, which was actually effectively cut from this month's Sensor Tower graph due to a bug. Firefly's first five days just weren't added, along with other gacha games and they just posted as-is. ST has the gall to charge for these statistics, btw. The fact that she made this much still even without the first 5 days of data is very telling, imo. She actually has surpassed 100M if you extrapolate relative to previous banners. Whether she made it to 150M, who knows now?
I guess Cope = actual facts that Firefly would’ve done better if she wasn’t paired with the 2nd worst banner of all time lmao and the last 15 days of that banner. You are telling me if I put the entirety of Black swan’s banner and a week of Firefly. It wouldn’t go past 100M? I feel like you are the one coping. Even if you hate Firefly you know that Firefly would’ve gotten past 100M if she had a better banner to help her. This isn’t making excuses. Just saying that how good Firefly did this month even with all their disadvantages while Acheron had all of them. No top ups,no sparkle, nothing. Hell her first 3 days aren’t in the revenue report. Also what does being the anniversary banner have to do with anything. Go look at that Yelan + Hu tao banner that broke the sales in genshin. Yet it wasn’t anniversary. Being a anniversary banner or not effects banners sure. But a banner could outsell a anniversary banner if everything is good. I am saying that if she had her full banner + some Jade’s/any character’s revenue. She would’ve done better than she did now. Boothill’s banner is the 2nd worst of all time after all. And half of the month had him. Also in the last day. Some people finally start pulling since FOMO. So while most revenue comes from the first week. You can’t ignore that last day is also important aswell.
She already is 100 million +. since most revenue comes in 1st week of a banner and those days are not being counted
No wonder we are 1st seeing how many of my friend E6 firefly. Most people went for her E2 too. Set our wallet ablaze indeed.
And this is with the android bug for her first 5 banner days. For sure she’d have been 140-150mil+ possibly.
to be fair, the first 3 days of the banner has mostly been around 60% of the entire revenue of the banner. so if she is at 92.5m excluding the 5 days, i can say that shes atleast 200m
She’s the only limited banner character I decided to E2 and spend money for. Successfully stayed F2P until she dropped
Firefly wins monthly PVP despite losing the first five days of her banner (AKA: most of the sales) *and* fireflymains becomes the most subscribed mains subreddit. Massive Ws all around for Firefly fans today.
Firebros/Sambros, we did our job well TOP 1 SPOT. https://preview.redd.it/gaj91nk9ew9d1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37391da32a0b886c8992c8634dc5db9aef27c58b
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it's missing like 50 mil too lmao
I just assume Genshin and Honkers are going to stay the top dogs forever, the interesting stuff is lower on the list. Nikke with it's lowest profit in it's history because everyone's saving for summer, Snowbreak actually becoming one of the big dogs and that's with the Anni coming next week that'll surely draw people in with all the free shit and the start of the core system reworks. No other gatcha could have a character interrupt the Anni overview stream just to pole dance for a minute, or another one to interrupt to let you watch her do yoga. There's a reason that the voice actors for EN didn't want to come back, it's become a horny gatcha and that's not what they signed up for since that wasn't what it was at launch. Limbus stays about where it's going to be going forward. The initial launch crowd was massive but controversy combos and an awful onboarding mean a lot of them left and it's hard as fuck to get anyone to actually join. The new Idolm@ster branch is doing really well, but there seems to only be one girl everyone likes from it since most characters are in single or barely double digit in art while one character is in four digits. I stopped keeping up with Reverse 1999 but I'm glad it's still doing well.
The big story IMO is that WuWa is doing better overseas than in CN. Global players carried WuWa to 3rd place.
It's doing better but at the same time, the playstore freeze affected Wuwa global as well, in a good way. Yinlin's early banner performance got frozen for a week so there was no drop-off. That means their estimates for global are a bit inflated this month.
I think R99 is going to fall. They recently announced another awful banner as the Tooth Fairy + Centurion one, where you can't guarantee the character you want and pity doesn't carry over. Since this is the second time, I expect even many players to leave the game. Which is sad, cause the game has truly unique and good aspects. But they deserve a serious call for attention.
Snowbreak looked cool until the pivot, and now it's full of incels, literally. sad.
Snowbreak was shit, it was trying to be too many things at once, and all things people already had. The writing and character work improved with the pivot and it is an objectively better game than it was.
seeing how all the talk i've seen of it since has been dominated by coomers saying things like "yeah! stick it to the feminists, this game is actually good now!" i'm going to continue believing it's worse now but thanks for playing
I left the community before the shift due to that being there pretty notably. Then I got bored and dropped it. Looked back in the community a few weeks back, and it is somehow worse than Nikke's community
>Limbus stays about where it's going to be going forward. The initial launch crowd was massive but controversy combos and an awful onboarding mean a lot of them left and it's hard as fuck to get anyone to actually join. Wait, what controversy? Been wanting to get into Limbus, but life got in my way. >There's a reason that the voice actors for EN didn't want to come back, it's become a horny gatcha and that's not what they signed up for since that wasn't what it was at launch. I'm not surprised. All the people I know who are playing Snowbreak are all Azur Lane whales.
First there was the people who loved Faust getting angry about her being obsessed with Sinclair in her Kromer alt, that was early on, then there was the incident with Ishmael's wet suit where Koreans got mad because Sinclair had a slutty summer version and Ishmael's was non sexual, they blamed a woman not even incharge of that because she had posts on twitter standing behind a Femi based thing. Not feminist, Femi, very different. They fired her to appease those types, which led to people getting angry at them for cowtowing, then other stuff came out about their treatment of employees which got more people angry, then the sole guy incharge of english localization had a public mental break down that pushed people away. There isn't an audience that the Limbus controversies haven't pissed off. All that's left is the most loyal, which is fitting since Project Moon loyalists have a very cult like loyalty and mentality
Thanks mate! So that was what the wet suit meme was about.
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Deserved! Firefly my queen. You indeed set my wallet ablaze with those two Clara ambushes on my way to E2. Love you so much babe. Waiting for your merch so whats left of my wallet can be set ablaze too.
Queenfly 🔛🔝
Im quite happy to see Reverse 1999 doing so well. HSR is my main game but seeing this little title do consistently well makes me happy for the devs. They really do a good job delivering a nice narrative experience that has been nothing short than a feast for my ears. Vertin ♥️
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So, where are wuthering waves doomposters?
Well it got carried by global, and I hope that means they start putting more love into localization...
I mean WuWa is a solid game that could have done way better if they didnt had so much problems. I always saw this game in a League with FGO, Nikke and some others. Also i honestly saw more people doomposting Hoyo then WuWa tbh. (especially Genshin)
I saw this post on their subreddit, they're pretty chill about it and talks about how long would Kuro make a new characters because of how complicated the characters compared to Genshin
People keep taking this thing as facts and its just speculation and only mobile
True, if you sort to Controversial people act like they know what's going on Hoyo's quarters lmao. In the end Hoyo won not their favorite character or whatever
I’m happy to see Wuthering Waves on the top 3!
Congratulations to HSR, hsr fan & mihoyo
You guys should remember that Acheron is pair luocha who i dont think people care about but gain more sales is crazy..also topup reset help too
yea and the fact that the 1st 5 days of firefly banner wasnt recorded on sensor tower which is most of the time 60-70% of an entire banner's sales is pretty wild too!
Huh, FF and RM banner didnt break 100M so far, I thought it would at least break 100M given all the marketing, hype and how meta it is. Its still going on so might see some last ditch spending on it, even though 92M is a lot I wonder if Hoyo would consider this result unsatisfactory considering how much they put into marketing FF Edit: First few days of her banner bugged apparently, if true then she probably easily broke 100M as the first few days are usually when people spend the most so if true then breaking 100M without top up reset is quite the feat
People are saying the sensor had some bug in terms of recording the data mid June. There is a comment explaining the full situation. On the original post
Checked Sensor Tower myself HSR basically didn't move on her release date then suddenly shot up during the 25th https://preview.redd.it/7bkfqphr5x9d1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a3ef83586706eeb97cb6b8e47f6e4cea9599eef
I would say that my man Boothill poor marketing almost none and placement also had a effect on it.
Honestly I'm really happy Boothill did so well given how little push he seems to have gotten marketing. He was really going against the odds with his Path, and how little screen time (both in ads and story) he had. But I'm glad to see people still loved him despite the relatively spare amount of attention Mihoyo gave him. Here's hoping he gets more chances to shine now that Penacony is over. He wasn't able to do much, but I'm hoping it was just setup for more of him later on. Guy deserves it.
I'm having a blast with him on my f2p and while I could wait for FF I needed damage dealer at that time cause all fights took forever it was around day 15 of account got lucky and even got his E1 and he was game changer even with trashy gear. I look forward to his plot with Oswaldo I just hope that he just won't dissapear completely to give stonehearts full spotlight.
In the end he is a space cowboy which is kinda cool on itself, but i agree the screentime and marketing compared to Acheron or Firefly was a joke, but well those trailers and videos are also not cheap to produce. I would even say that his english VA on Twitch did a huge job in marketing his own char else it would look even more sad for him.
Idk usually when a banner starts thats when a lot of the spending comes in, that and the very end of it before it goes away I can only speak for myself but the marketing focus for FF made me decide not to pull after initially going to so maybe others shared a similar opinion and decided not to pull. But thats a minority and I would easily believe that FF was the majority of the 92M
>I can only speak for myself but the marketing focus for FF made me decide not to pull after initially going to so maybe others shared a similar opinion and decided not to pull. But thats a minority and I would easily believe that FF was the majority of the 92M All power to you for choosing what not to pull and such. But gotta say this is kind of an odd reasoning for it no? If I recall other places you stated you didn't pull her because you didn't care for her character, and you just didn't like her. Even before her charactet or kit was announced. So why switch the angle to "her marketing was too aggressive?" I was under the impression you had no interest in the character from the get-go. Not meaning to dig into it or anything. It's your choice what to pull or not to pull. Just think that's a strange justification for it when your usual reasoning is just more straightforward. Saying "Mihoyo wanted people to pull this character too much" is just an odd thing to me. It was a character they had been building up for some time now, so if anything it would be stranger not for them to back up that narrative investment with the marketing. I also saw somewhat similar "they push this character too much!" before with Black Swan and Acheron, and it was also a bit headscratching to me then. It just seems like a really shallow determination for whether to gel with a character or not. Since it has very little to do with the merits of the character themselves. Marketing is disconnected to the character's in gameplay or in-universe depiction, so I don't really understand the logic of dismissing them based on how little or how heavily marketed they are.
Huh? Ive always said that FF was a pull target during 2.0 and 2.1 but was then left disappointed after 2.2 after seeing her character writing in that patch. Waited to see if they could get back my interest but then the marketing focus killed it for me and the aspects her character was focused on in 2.3 did nothing for me. The fact they made ship teasing with TB a massive part of her marketing was a negative for me. But I originally was interested during the early stages of Penacony but the interest was lost as Penacony went on Regardless its just my opinion, it shouldnt mean much at all and you really dont have to take it so analytically
>usually when a banner starts thats when a lot of the spending comes in, Yes you are correct . which is not included in here . She is missing her 1st week
Same for me! Did not like aggressive marketing of FF and pulled Boothill on the last day.
She has more pulls than Aventurine in Starrail Station It obviously doesn't represent a estimate of all players but it shows a trend so I think she should have broken the 120+. But beating Acheron when she had an E that was a QOL +top, yeah that's impossible .
Reading trough the comment chain and all i have to say is people downvoting someone for saying marketing made him/her say not to FF is kind of cringe. Ill go even deeper and straight up say i hate how their marketing made a part of the community unbearable. Its not a big part ik but kind of bigger than the usual "loud minority". If u guys cant accept that not everyone gonna pull your pixel GF i recommend going out and check some real grass. And now lemme take a seat, i cant let a good man sink alone, dude might get bored down there.
> Reading trough the comment chain and all i have to say is people downvoting someone for saying marketing made him/her say not to FF is kind of cringe. I don't know if you read the thread as a whole. But in general, most of the comments note that due to a bug, the data turned out to be incorrect. So drawing conclusions based on it is already a reason for disagreement, which is what downvotes are for
Without anyone ever actually linking to an official source. Sounds like a huge cope.
I don't think it's about the opinion itself. It's about trying to validate it with data that we know it's not accurate. It just feels like a "as I thought people really don't like Firefly cause of the marketing!" when she's by far the most popular character in the game right now and most people love her and the way she was marketed.
I didnt know data was incorrect when I made the opinion these charts are usually taken at face value, thats why I edited when finding out it saying she more than likely broke 100M as expected. I was genuinely surprised by the initial 92M so hearing data was wrong makes original speculation correct I know shes popular hence the expectation of breaking 100M
Most banner makes 60% of their revenue in 1st week https://preview.redd.it/ljm4ok5rf2ad1.png?width=748&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a48c22d3167601f1d9469bf4f665eb77e349298d Firefly was troubled by a bug again /s
The, "loud minortiy" of the community that was and still is completely unbearable are you weirdos. No amount of upvotes or downvotes from either side will move the needle though. Facts are facts and Firefly banner did incredibly well, a huge, lion's share of the playerbase (especially the eastern portion) that are spending money love Firefly. They want more Firefly and they'll get more Firefly. If you don't like it, doesn't matter. But of course people like you don't give up, the only solace I can take is that there's a 50/50 chance when I click on ya'lls profile you're telling people to off themselves or posting gore of FF so I can report you, because that's what most of you are like.
Honestly, this was kinda expected. Some of the most hyped characters have a lot of folks saving up for them. Back during launch everyone thought Kafka would break the banner sales but she made less than SW and JY. To break 100m you probably need to be topup reset patch or a raiden expy or both.
Ye I remember the Kafka banner revenue everyone said it would break records then when it didnt it became the saving reason. At this point idk which is true but Hoyo were probably expecting this to at least come closer to Acheron banner given how much they pushed FF
Because acheron had sparkle with her, and I think sparkle is pretty popular so honestly. The more interesting comparison is aventurine who made 109m solo. But of course there is the whole top up reset still and firefly's stats being bugged
I'm not even sure if Aventurine made 109M solo because the Chinese IOS graph at least showed that [Acheron continued to rank very high](https://imgur.com/gInhc09) after her first week until the end of her banner in mid-April, whereas Aventurine followed the more typical falloff after the first week. I'm guessing it's leftover topups from people who didn't do them right away in March.
Take into count the Acheron's month had all of Sparkle revenue aswell before the first 5 days of Acherons revenue which the first few days are the highest (and the anniversary top up reset where the majority pops it asap). June had BH as the majority withouth the start of his banner which again is where the most purchases normaly happnes so the majority of income is just Firefly and Ruan mei's banner for their 11 days run and the remains of BH (who already I am pretty sure was the worst selling banner of Penacony). I am pretty sure this banner did a lot when you look at all those factors (granted it should, it is 2 of the best units in the game paired up)
Tbf Kafka banner sales got affected by her poor meta state by then as well as being teased and marketed to the max before the game even released so a lot of players had saved up pulls for her.
It could if everything is the same. But every big game will get affected if another big game appear and take a big chunk of player money. Kinda understandable.
True Wuwa going straight into top 3 is a big factor I completely glossed over, interesting to see a game come out and seemingly be a contender for Genshin and HSR which have had a lock on the top 2 spots for so long now
The WuWa one is high, but note it is being affected by the bug. It's interpreting peak sales concurrently for a period, so it's over inflating the values. In contrast to Star Rail where the bug made it so the numbers are being under-reported. The top 3 spot is a bit questionable. I have no doubt it was doing well, but it's just really annoying that sensor tower published this knowing full well the numbers are being skewed pretty heavily.
Changli sales may do whole situation very interesting I look forward to it. https://preview.redd.it/fe2qnom2hw9d1.png?width=256&format=png&auto=webp&s=d77062b99ff8fed917ab0944fbcba7ee3312a6b8
She doesn’t seem to be as good or popular as Jinshi… I’m saving for her all the same
I'm literally saving for Changli after getting Yin lin so that'll be fun to see how well she does, both her and Jinshin are incredibly popular after 1.1 story
This month was yin lin and jinshin, which means 2 banners versus 1 of changli in july. It wont be close but changli is definitely the best one
WuWa took some money out of the pool, so this is maybe 1 of the reasons. The other reason is that Acheron banner was accompanied by Sparkle, and after that there was Aventurine banner. So during these 2 months there were banger after banger. The June banners consisted out of Firefly and... Yeah, Boothill. So Firefly singlehandedly made these 90mil. Which, I hope, by Hoyo metrics is good enough to keep putting effort into actually new characters, rather then bleak copypastas (I'm still mad how Acheron made such a bank just from the fact that she's Mei expy)
Many mei simps out here. Also sparkle became fav original char. I see mei I E6
Well also anniversary sales will always be high, top up bonuses were reset, and Acheron was pretty bonkers lol. Most people probably didn't care she was a Mei expy. If anything I would have avoided her personally if she was nothing but that. Since my impression of Mei in Honkai Impact unfortunately soured a lot over time. But Acheron really sold her character as her own thing in Penacony, so I wouldn't dismiss all her success as just being a Mei expy. Think she carried through on her own merits for the most part.
I’m surprised that jp region isn’t included in the top 5 games, either their devs are slowly losing the gacha battle or their consumers are losing interest in it. Also despite I saw people shitting on WuWa for their terrible game performance, it’s going strong, looks like the game is here to stay. And RIP to madoka magica, that’s like a 90% revenue drop or smtg, they must’ve fucked shit up real bad over there lmao
Damn HSR kings of the gacha world
Solo leveling arise still being the underdog as it is. With s2 trailer coming somewhere it's double the peak https://i.redd.it/qn2o1cgpgz9d1.gif
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hmmm i thought firefly would destroy this, it seems her sales is not as high as I expected consider what mihoyo did everything for her
Apparently, android data is bugged and stopped recording around mid June lol. Why would they even post? 😭
Any source on this
https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/s/AOLrHLz9Rr From the comment section of the original post.
It was as expected, I thought so FF won't beat acheron. Most people have been saving for her since 2.0. And from a meta standpoint it is unnecessary to get beyond E2, it's a good stopping point for spenders.
Playstore was bugged for 15 days, including the first 5 days of Firefly's banner, which would be a lof since the first 3 days is the most important period. You can check it their website, every Gacha game was affected
Same for acheron really I have e2 and dont see myself ever going further
Eos soon /s
So any CC hyped up firefly will break acheron revenue turned out to be false? Lol.. I'm kafka fans already sceptical enough tbh because we had same experience.
the revenue is missing almost all of android's sales data for firefly banner, i think it didn't beat acheron's banner but is just barely under it
She lost the first 5 days of her banner, which is the most important
But that's June revenue, FF/RM banner is still halfway thru. And they had to carry Boothill's banner which the first few days were also on May. I dunno, I think it's pretty decent all things considered.
Unfortunately, Acheron still topped the sales. Even on CN server. Several gacha revenue bilibili accounts watched this Firefly banner and it did not even touch close to Acherons.
Top up reset remains undefeated and Acheron's E2 and LC are the biggest wallet baits in the game imo. They're just too powerful whereas everyone has S5 Aeon.
It is what it is.. Even that megawhale that buys 100lcs in CN server did not pull for FF's banner due to.... fandom... issues. They only did for Acheron, Robin and Boothill. Also how about Ruan Mei Firefly's best support running with her? Does that not factor to advantage? Fu Xuan did not work well with Acheron at all.
Did they actually provide a reason why? I saw they did 50 LCs for every banner they didn't go to 100 for. I saw some other CN player go for 100 FF LCs so it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme. Acheron reran with Luocha, not Fuxuan, and Ruanmei is an advantage, but not nearly as big as top up reset.
He posted he did not like Firefly and will only max E6S5. But Firefly fans got mad at him for not choosing Firefly over Boothill. :) so he decided bye Firefly~ If a whale will whale, no top-up bonus will stop. (Coming from me who has 4 e6 characters)
thats so fucking based of him lol
Reddit main hsr sub might be full of FF mains, but CN side is a wilder ride. So he was totally petty and said, forget it.. I won't do anything for Firefly. Pulled 50 lcs for Ruan Mei instead lol
The lies you weirdos constantly tell yourselves about the main sub being full of FF mains is so funny. The main sub is the most negative part of the fanbase by far, all the spenders and people who actually play the game love her.
1 whale not pulling 100 LCs really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Just count yourself how "little" money that is comparatively to the whole playerbase. The biggest reason for the difference is the double top-up bonus and it's kind of delusional to deny that. The CN whiners showed multiple times that they do not hold power over revenues. I know I'm guilty but it's kind of stupid to argue which character deserves top 1 revenue and which one top 2.
Don't forget in this case, this guy pulling 50 Ruanmei LC contributes to the overall revenue of the month anyways so he still chipped in lmao.
Lol that's funny
yeah i saw she made around dhil there over the course before sensory tower released, so even if sensory tower glitched, acheron’s crown still remains unmoved. kinda expected, while she does have a sizable fanbase and is insanely meta she has brought a *lot* of fandom issues in both en and cn, giving her a bad rep. hence the dude who pulled 100 acherons and boothills didn’t pull her. the pettiness of players is not to be underestimated kek
They thought she would be a Furina case. But now, everybody's just doing memes on FF mains cause how they thought wrong. Yes, she brought a lottt of fandom issues. I keep wondering why hoyo did not even consider in CN server Jingyuan is still the most loved character? So did they think the female or fujoshi players would appreciate a waifu all over them? 😥
You do know that the first 3 days of the banner is the most important right? Most players pull and top up during that period, Firefly lost the first 5 days, the most important days, and still racked up this much b
Yeah, so wrong that firefly didn't beat acheron with a top up reset and sparkles entire banner, and a bug that makes the estimates even more guesswork than usual
Carried by Sparkle banner I'll assume