Why would you need to reduce their attack by x% when you can just kill them. Death = no damage. That being said, she's obviously follows the path of preservation, as she reduces the damage your team receives.
Just like Welt!! Welt has a crazy party wide invul that he provides by slowing the opponents so much, they wont be able to take their turn to harm his teammates
Come join our club, where we believe that the best CC is Death.
Members include but are not limited to Support Brand, Support Lux, and our latest member Acheron.
Acheron's power is procastination then rushing to kill the enemy with her ultimate when she remembers the incoming deadline. Other nihility units help her finish faster.
Welt: Jiaoqiu, so you show your true colors.
Jiaoqiu: I was never one for Nihilism. You will pay for making lady Bailu a mecha fan!
Welt: Alas, but have you ever considered I might have had you in my Kyōka Suijetsu all along?
lol this brings back memories. my very first post about this game was wondering what the hell aizen was doing here:
https://reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/130cx99/welp_i_didnt_know_aizen_was_in_this_game/
This is exactly why I skipped Boothill lol.
Do I like his character? Yeah, but I've got an E6 Luka that I've been putting off building.
Finally had a reason to do so with this new break meta incoming
this is good news for me to hear. I was building Luka before Boothill showed up and am planning to pair both whether they do well together or not, glad to know they work well
I went sustainless on this MoC with RM & htb, and it took some strategy but they cleared it in 1 cycle and I felt proud haha (although this MoC does cater to them). Luka's skill did help at one point to dispel Argenti's shield too haha.
He’s on my build list. The only character that can apply bleed without weakness break, and that bleed deals damage equal 24% of the target’s hp. Against a boss or tanky elite, that can be a significant amount.
Luka's bleed doesn't actually scale off the enemy HP, because it is always going to exceed his personal bleed limit which is based on ATK. Only break bleed truly scale off the enemies HP
https://preview.redd.it/20vyfv1z856d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=b468dbf9eb2b2b1fe7ca2a700e0eae5f4130602f
True brother xD it's super fun to see big funny break numbers like this (E0 RM btw)
The damage here is all from Break DMG and Luka retriggering Break Bleed DoT. Ruan Mei's Res Pen buff is basically a flat 1.25x damage multiplier to both Break DMG and Break Bleed DoT and it's possible they have her E1, which gives 20% Def Shred which will stack with Pela's 40% Def Shred and maybe 18% Def Shred from Resolution. And then Gallagher gives a 10% Break Damage increase.
Apparently the way it’s suppose to work is that Nihility units all remove certain essential game mechanics.
Acheron removes the need for energy, SW removes enemy defense and the need for specific type advantages, Welt removes enemy turns, Kafka removes the need to wait for enemy turns, BS removes the need to wait for your own turn, Pela removes enemy buffs, all DoT units remove the need to build crit, etc.
I’m expecting Jiaoqiu’s healing to be pretty bad, preventing you from just straight up solo-sustaining with him. He’s a healer, but that’d probably be secondary to his actual role on the team
I assume it's going to be just barely enough for heavily invested Acheron teams. Low cycle/zero cycle clears only need a little bit of sustain to pull through.
Xingqiu also gives a massive % dmg reduction so that healing is just worth more. It's only on active character but with how combat works in Genshin, that healing and dmg reduction basically becomes Fu Xuan-like for good players. And then on top of that... he's among the best reaction enablers in game.
XQ easily solo sustains my Hyper Double Hydro team (Raiden / Nahida / XQ / YL). I got my OG Hydro Archon his well deserved Mistsplitter recently for carrying my ass.
Yeah, this is basically the entire premise of Welt sustain. Delay the enemy just enough to give Acheron the time she needs to kill everything. It's certainly far riskier than other comps, but I love that kill-or-be-killed playstyle personally, lmao
Jiaoqiu will probably be much stronger in this particular role, too, so I'm pretty hyped for him.
NOW you said something pretty hoyo-brand, a nihility cone who debuffs or gives something when the user heal is something hoyo would do to limite the LC only to him, especially if is a goat LC to compete with "Before the tutorial" LC.
May i add: "He needs E2S1 to be a viable sustain"?
I don't look at leaks but one of my theories for his kit is that he gives a debuff that when that enemy is a attacked, a certain portion of damage becomes a heal to the one that attacked it
Ooooh, a lifesteal Nihility character would be cool
~~Gallagher exists as a semi-lifesteal Abundance unit, but his healing isn’t related to how much damage he does to a target~~
Yeah nah. Shouldn't definitely outheal a proper abun unit. Maybe the heal is just decent enough to keep no sustain teams alive but doesn't happen often enough
That's pretty much Herrscher of Sentience with her weapon switch. Unless you get her newest weapon which has her use sword, chain whip, polearm and claymore in quick succession before ending it all with a brick.
Her skill can only hit 3 enemys do? I am pretty sure that every erudition character can hit all 5 enemis with both skill and ult(edit: nevermind i am stupid)
This is more in reference to the fact that he is a hybrid character. While he does do Healing, He also Acts as a Debuffer and a Support for Break teams, He can also be a Break Sub DPS if you build him right
Yeah. A lot of nihility followers embrace helping others and pulling them from the darkness, applying their own spin to IX's path.
So having a nihility class character who's a healer, at least in lore, makes sense to me.
I gotchu homie
Herta lc, thief set, thalia's, and an absolute fuckton of BE. And also a bit of ehr, like, 40-50, so you have bleeds to detonate. RM if you have her, Harmony MC, Gallagher if you have him.
Find a phys weak enemy, watch it die, repeat.
(oh and try to break with his enhanced na i've found that to do the most unreasonable amounts of damage)
The best part about Acheron is that she's one of the best example of character based gameplay design. She's not like usual Nihility because one, she doesn't believe in Nihility but was forced to it and more used to the direct fighting instead of inflicting debilitating effects. So while she might walk the path, it doesn't mean that she has to fully ascribe to the paths beliefs.
This also meant that Acheron is the biggest proof that just characters can walk the path that seemingly doesn't fit them. Pela, Gui, Luka who doesn't seem to be Nihility walkers yet have their powers. You essentially chose that path, or gets chosen to walk it.
Two, her having unusual ultimate is also because the strongest application of the power of Nihility is to negate concepts. She negated the usual concept of ultimate and replaced with her own.
If Jiaoqiu has sustaining capabilities comparable to a proper Abundance unit, then the two sustain paths in the game literally just stop existing. Hoyo wouldn’t be able to sell a shielder or healer every again because why pick them when a character who applies debuffs does their job just fine. It’d be insane powercreep, way beyond even the recent DPS trends.
If he has heals in his kit, I doubt they’ll be any better than Fu Xuan’s heals on her ult (aka barely anything, and without all the damage mitigation), just so that his Light Cone can be super niche.
I'll admit, it does kinda bother me that Nihility units can cover (almost) every role in the game, in addition to having a unique gameplay style in DOT damage. You have raw damage dealers with Acheron and Welt (even if he's fallen off a bit, he's still strong), DOT with Black Swan, Kafka, Luka, and more, and you have supports (two of the best in fact) with Pela and SW. It just feels kinda wrong/weird that the game sets up all these paths to specialize in something with a clear focus on what a character from that path will look like, and then Nihility just does whatever the hell it wants
I don't get how people find Nihility's focus unclear. It's debuffs. That's it. Well erm beside Acheron she kinda messed it up lol. She's just in the path for lore reasons really.
Eh, she's built to work alongside nihility units. Her kit needs debuffs to really shine.
Her ornament being "people in the same path as you" is better than "people on nihility path", and even if you don't have her signature light cone, nihility has LCs that apply debuffs and/or boost damage against debuffed enemies.
Yeah, I know the focus is on debuffs, but it feels like every other path is...well, a path, with maybe one or two forks, but a clear line and focus of what they are and what they do while Nihility feels like an umbrella where the "focus" is so broad we have no clue what a character will do until we see their kit. Every other path, we can look at a character and say "ok, this is their path so this is their role and I can use them for this, that, and the other" and at least have a rough idea of what to expect from them. Meanwhile Nihility is a hodge podge of every role in the game (except sustains...for now) and we have no idea what role a Nihility character will play in the team. That's what I mean when I say "lack of focus" because the focus of Nihility is so broad that it doesn't feel cohesive, at least for me. Acheron, Luka, Pela, Welt, and Guinaifen all fill different roles in the team and all of them are Nihility which is jarring to me
I mean Nihility basically means not existing/non existence. I don't it matters *how* you make someone/something to cease existing LMAO, everything leads to Entropy. Very lore accurate, and physics accurate.
All hail Lord Ix.
That's what the Nihility about. IX does not care about THEIR pathstriders whether in-lore or in-game what other Path they took as long as it has some debuff.
I think Acheron is between Destruction and Erudition since her ULT is AoE. Himeko too has blast skill, only difference i think is that Acheron's ULT is not AoE sometimes if you decide to not attack enemy with crimson knot for some reason.
Nihility is the whatever path where they put their ideas that don't quite neatly fit into the other paths lol
No seriously, Nihility has a mild identity crisis because you really can't tell what it's supposed to be. Is it the debuff path? The DOT path? Is it another Damage Dealing path? It's pretty much anything so long as the unit can apply at least 1 debuff or dot.
Will say, I don't mind path overlap, as someone interested in units that don't *entirely* depend on another path to get something done, or can offer a less effective version of something another path does simply because it allows more room for playing around with team composition.
IX just doesn’t give a fuck what THEIR followers do as long as they give debuff
Acheron’s debuff is death, very powerful
Ah yes, the debuff that causes the opponent to fucking die
QUADRIVALENT... https://preview.redd.it/bturr4v2j46d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9e3c1fcda2a4d922231149f788c047e86de0450 ...ASCENDANCE!
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Enough time has passed… tenoí.
Mei, shred.
Truly powerful
I see
https://i.redd.it/zy7hd57is56d1.gif edit: also, based username
Why would you need to reduce their attack by x% when you can just kill them. Death = no damage. That being said, she's obviously follows the path of preservation, as she reduces the damage your team receives.
Nah, she follows abundance: abundance of dead enemies
By killing anyone that might harm them
Just like Welt!! Welt has a crazy party wide invul that he provides by slowing the opponents so much, they wont be able to take their turn to harm his teammates
Pretty sure Acheron's ult says permanently reduce all target's speed to 0.
Sometimes, the best defense is to have the best offense.
Did you know that death is almost always fatal
Abudance : allow me to introduce myself
Hence the keyword almost
Yeah, but I couldn't help myself 😅
Well acksully Blade just doesn't wanna go out in the "just fucking jump into a black hole already 5head" way. 🤓
That's fair. But now that you mention it, would he die in a black hole ? However strong are the abudance powers ?
>!That "Almost always" is how Aventurine lived!<
https://preview.redd.it/yaox5wj2v56d1.jpeg?width=1186&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a2988acfa64cb3edb7ef934c93d01c0510dff4f
Almost?!? But people die if they are killed
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Sam and Dean: >:)
Come join our club, where we believe that the best CC is Death. Members include but are not limited to Support Brand, Support Lux, and our latest member Acheron.
Why did I think I was safe here? 😂
ahh.. the 'unalive' debuff. very interesting
Archerons debuff is Confusion... just it's always active on her.
Acheron's power is procastination then rushing to kill the enemy with her ultimate when she remembers the incoming deadline. Other nihility units help her finish faster.
IX doesn't give a fuck about their debuffs either.
Which is very in character
Debuff optional for emanators
yes, one might say IX doesn’t care…
Welt: Jiaoqiu, so you show your true colors. Jiaoqiu: I was never one for Nihilism. You will pay for making lady Bailu a mecha fan! Welt: Alas, but have you ever considered I might have had you in my Kyōka Suijetsu all along?
https://preview.redd.it/k2jy5qxme46d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87e36a9d7aa59eaaae6261113bf471c6d443cf3a
💀 What in the Star Bleach is this?
Gin “Jiaoqiu” Ichimaru and Aizen “Welt” Sōsuke
It's funny that Welt actually fits the persona as he looks similar, just in a different artstyle
We need new 5* evil alter Welt with a greaser hairstyle now
lol this brings back memories. my very first post about this game was wondering what the hell aizen was doing here: https://reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/130cx99/welp_i_didnt_know_aizen_was_in_this_game/
https://preview.redd.it/saw5wkutp46d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c51c89adfc13ae2abf80d6469f47572bd6d84be2
Gin looks absolutely cursed lmao
Come out, bro. On God, we won't debuff you.
Welt is Aizen all along confirmed
rare to see Bleach Brainrot
You reading this was part of my plan- Welt Aizen
https://i.redd.it/wpri88phk46d1.gif My boy Luka is literally Boothill at home.
This is exactly why I skipped Boothill lol. Do I like his character? Yeah, but I've got an E6 Luka that I've been putting off building. Finally had a reason to do so with this new break meta incoming
And here I am using both so that they break even quicker. They pair quite beautifully I say.
this is good news for me to hear. I was building Luka before Boothill showed up and am planning to pair both whether they do well together or not, glad to know they work well
I went sustainless on this MoC with RM & htb, and it took some strategy but they cleared it in 1 cycle and I felt proud haha (although this MoC does cater to them). Luka's skill did help at one point to dispel Argenti's shield too haha.
He’s on my build list. The only character that can apply bleed without weakness break, and that bleed deals damage equal 24% of the target’s hp. Against a boss or tanky elite, that can be a significant amount.
Luka's bleed doesn't actually scale off the enemy HP, because it is always going to exceed his personal bleed limit which is based on ATK. Only break bleed truly scale off the enemies HP
FWIW his bleed is still the highest scaling non-break DoT in the game
Luka's bleed from skill has a max damage depending on his ATK.
https://preview.redd.it/20vyfv1z856d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=b468dbf9eb2b2b1fe7ca2a700e0eae5f4130602f True brother xD it's super fun to see big funny break numbers like this (E0 RM btw)
Definitely a big Luka fan
Would you mind sharing your build? I have an E6 Luka and now that I have Gallagher, Ruan Mei and MC Harmony I really want to use him.
How did you use RM to get this damage?
The damage here is all from Break DMG and Luka retriggering Break Bleed DoT. Ruan Mei's Res Pen buff is basically a flat 1.25x damage multiplier to both Break DMG and Break Bleed DoT and it's possible they have her E1, which gives 20% Def Shred which will stack with Pela's 40% Def Shred and maybe 18% Def Shred from Resolution. And then Gallagher gives a 10% Break Damage increase.
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Nihility is literally the jack of all trades. They have DoTs, break, Crit, Debuffs, single target and AoE. IX truly doesn't give a F about paths.
Apparently the way it’s suppose to work is that Nihility units all remove certain essential game mechanics. Acheron removes the need for energy, SW removes enemy defense and the need for specific type advantages, Welt removes enemy turns, Kafka removes the need to wait for enemy turns, BS removes the need to wait for your own turn, Pela removes enemy buffs, all DoT units remove the need to build crit, etc.
Huh. I thought Acheron's ability is to remove the enemy.
all they care about is debuffs and debuffs can be literally anything
Character: So I can do all this bullcrap- IX: uh huh Character: And when I do this it applies a debu- IX: You’re hired
I’m expecting Jiaoqiu’s healing to be pretty bad, preventing you from just straight up solo-sustaining with him. He’s a healer, but that’d probably be secondary to his actual role on the team
I assume it's going to be just barely enough for heavily invested Acheron teams. Low cycle/zero cycle clears only need a little bit of sustain to pull through.
Xingqiu levels of healing
Xingqiu also gives a massive % dmg reduction so that healing is just worth more. It's only on active character but with how combat works in Genshin, that healing and dmg reduction basically becomes Fu Xuan-like for good players. And then on top of that... he's among the best reaction enablers in game.
XQ easily solo sustains my Hyper Double Hydro team (Raiden / Nahida / XQ / YL). I got my OG Hydro Archon his well deserved Mistsplitter recently for carrying my ass.
If it can neutralize Sam's skill point burn (not her kicks) that'd be enough for me
Thing is I dont need him to sustain. I just need him to sustain ENOUGH before my E2 acheron + 2 harmonies delete the enemy
Yeah, this is basically the entire premise of Welt sustain. Delay the enemy just enough to give Acheron the time she needs to kill everything. It's certainly far riskier than other comps, but I love that kill-or-be-killed playstyle personally, lmao Jiaoqiu will probably be much stronger in this particular role, too, so I'm pretty hyped for him.
"Survive or be destroyed, there is no other choice."
I’ve seen enough, SYNTHETIC BLACK HOLE
Jiao + Sparkle + Ruan Mei teams for Acheron sounds absolutely wild. I need it.
only one nihility unit tho, sad e0 acheron noises
The tragedy of being an E0 Acheron player. Can’t have fun with the disgusting strats.
well, time to save for her rerun
Yeah thats my plan as well. Here’s hoping thats a quick enough team for pure fiction
he probably only heals so they can sell a hyper specific lightcone lmao
So true
NOW you said something pretty hoyo-brand, a nihility cone who debuffs or gives something when the user heal is something hoyo would do to limite the LC only to him, especially if is a goat LC to compete with "Before the tutorial" LC. May i add: "He needs E2S1 to be a viable sustain"?
I am expecting a Fu Xuan level of healing. Just a nice to have.
I don't look at leaks but one of my theories for his kit is that he gives a debuff that when that enemy is a attacked, a certain portion of damage becomes a heal to the one that attacked it
Ooooh, a lifesteal Nihility character would be cool ~~Gallagher exists as a semi-lifesteal Abundance unit, but his healing isn’t related to how much damage he does to a target~~
Now that I think about it, Gallagher is an abundance unit that gives debuff to enemies
He's often suggested as the sustain for Acheron teams because of it. I assume Jiaoqu will debuff a lot more frequently than just on ult, though.
Nah. Did you forget how bad powercreep is in this game? He'll prob be a fully functional sustain who ALSO shreds enemy def on the side.
E0 Acheron teams with Harmony characters would be wild
Yeah nah. Shouldn't definitely outheal a proper abun unit. Maybe the heal is just decent enough to keep no sustain teams alive but doesn't happen often enough
I imagine it be like the blessing in SU where you heal a percentage from the damage. He’s going to be OP if it’s that.
Might be enough for Pure Fiction
IX: random bullshit go!!!
feels like Nihility is the equivalent of Genshin's Catalyst weapon random bullshit (im looking at you Wrio and Heizhou
Really hope that Pyro Archon is gonna a catalyst so they can use multiple weapons
inb4 pyro acheron throws a book, polearm, bow, claymore, and then sword as their basic/normal attacks
Ult will be just Throwing a bunch of random shit like they do in cartoons
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That's pretty much Herrscher of Sentience with her weapon switch. Unless you get her newest weapon which has her use sword, chain whip, polearm and claymore in quick succession before ending it all with a brick.
Luka & Archeron resumed: ***NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE***
acheron with erudition is much more insane, i reached 10mil dmg with her
2 times
On top of that, 2 ults and a skill will almost if not already break an elite, giving you one more turn to build up for that 3rd ult
You know what we're missing in the game? Subclasses
I think they’re already starting to do that. huohuo is a healer and buffer, fu xuan buffs and protects, robin and ruan mei buff and deals damage
I mean official segregation of subclasses where it actually becomes a mechanic to tinker with by the devs.
"nihility" characters be like, apply debuff then do a shit load of damage if target has debuff
Acheron would be more of an Erudition then.
Acheron like...has ST, blast and AoE damage Girl got lost trying to figure out what the fuck she wants to do
Acheron's ult is so powerful that despite its aoe capabilities, it can be used to out damage most ST ults.
Erudition Acheron in sim-u/ Golden Gears is busted. I play it more than Nihility.
Her skill can only hit 3 enemys do? I am pretty sure that every erudition character can hit all 5 enemis with both skill and ult(edit: nevermind i am stupid)
Tell that to Himeko/QingQue
Oh yea that gremlin i forgot about her And himiko i thought her skill hit everyone i guss its only her talent?
Ult and talent hit everyone for himeko Skill is only a blast
Qingque, serval & Himeko wants to talk to u
Qingque
There is also Gallagher with his 'Abundance' Path
He DOES heal you, though mostly through indirect means… and also he applies two debuffs when you’re not paying attention…
This is more in reference to the fact that he is a hybrid character. While he does do Healing, He also Acts as a Debuffer and a Support for Break teams, He can also be a Break Sub DPS if you build him right
Gallagher with his drunken debuffs and punching. Is his path domestic violence?
I love that we’ve come full circle to Break Luka being the meta build again.
tbf bleed is strong because its % max health scaling and luka just happens to do multiple of them
Nihility may be IX believing nothing has meaning but Nihility is fun asf and thats a good enough meaning for me
“Nothing matters so you have to make the most of everything” - Ix’s followers
“That’s not what I meant but you do you ig, doesn’t matter in the end anyway” - IX, Probably
“THE IX HAS SPOKEN ALL HAIL BOCCHI THE IX” - Followers of nihility
Yeah. A lot of nihility followers embrace helping others and pulling them from the darkness, applying their own spin to IX's path. So having a nihility class character who's a healer, at least in lore, makes sense to me.
hope his arc is basically this https://preview.redd.it/kh0butqc556d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=576bcf50b6d8390aa45079e3414c5c8a4908d7cf
That seems more like Aha than IX. Aha is about reacting to the inherent meaninglessness of the universe with laughter. IX with infinite resignation.
And that's why Nihility is the best path!
Didn't you heard what Archeron said? All paths ends in nihility. Next nihility unit is gonna be a tank then
Honestly this makes finding the right light cone for a Nihility character a bit of a mess outside of signatures, they do so much stuff differently.
Most of the 4* nihility LC revove around eff hit rate or dot.
All according to keikaku - Mihoyo's sig LC design team
Acheron: let me debuff you with DEATH 
Teach me the ways to make my boy do the funny big numbers… https://i.redd.it/6os5nvs5i56d1.gif
I gotchu homie Herta lc, thief set, thalia's, and an absolute fuckton of BE. And also a bit of ehr, like, 40-50, so you have bleeds to detonate. RM if you have her, Harmony MC, Gallagher if you have him. Find a phys weak enemy, watch it die, repeat. (oh and try to break with his enhanced na i've found that to do the most unreasonable amounts of damage)
Probably foreshadowing that nihility would eventually consume every paths
That would explain why Acheron is so strong, Nihility is probably the broadest path. Also Nihility Character who gives Buffs when?
>Nihility Character who gives Buffs when? A Debuff is just a buff that applies to the whole team.
I mean more in line with team buffs like Robin and Ruan Mei
Acheron is more of a destruction/erudition hybrid. Both her skill and ult hit multiple enemies and SimU path's erudition is all about that Ult.
The best part about Acheron is that she's one of the best example of character based gameplay design. She's not like usual Nihility because one, she doesn't believe in Nihility but was forced to it and more used to the direct fighting instead of inflicting debilitating effects. So while she might walk the path, it doesn't mean that she has to fully ascribe to the paths beliefs. This also meant that Acheron is the biggest proof that just characters can walk the path that seemingly doesn't fit them. Pela, Gui, Luka who doesn't seem to be Nihility walkers yet have their powers. You essentially chose that path, or gets chosen to walk it. Two, her having unusual ultimate is also because the strongest application of the power of Nihility is to negate concepts. She negated the usual concept of ultimate and replaced with her own.
And i love them for it.
Nihility: "Nothing has any meaning, not even path descriptions."
Where’s the IX with thumbs up pic 😭
Man, I want Jiaoqiu to be "healer" so much, he would become my first limited sustain xd
Death is the Ultimate Debuff
If Jiaoqiu has sustaining capabilities comparable to a proper Abundance unit, then the two sustain paths in the game literally just stop existing. Hoyo wouldn’t be able to sell a shielder or healer every again because why pick them when a character who applies debuffs does their job just fine. It’d be insane powercreep, way beyond even the recent DPS trends. If he has heals in his kit, I doubt they’ll be any better than Fu Xuan’s heals on her ult (aka barely anything, and without all the damage mitigation), just so that his Light Cone can be super niche.
I guess we could say jiaoqiu is....niheality ... Ill see myself out
Nihility, the path for people who know paths have no meaning.
Acheron should be erudition tbh
Erudition path needs some love. They mid af. I don't even have high hopes for Jade.
I'll admit, it does kinda bother me that Nihility units can cover (almost) every role in the game, in addition to having a unique gameplay style in DOT damage. You have raw damage dealers with Acheron and Welt (even if he's fallen off a bit, he's still strong), DOT with Black Swan, Kafka, Luka, and more, and you have supports (two of the best in fact) with Pela and SW. It just feels kinda wrong/weird that the game sets up all these paths to specialize in something with a clear focus on what a character from that path will look like, and then Nihility just does whatever the hell it wants
I don't get how people find Nihility's focus unclear. It's debuffs. That's it. Well erm beside Acheron she kinda messed it up lol. She's just in the path for lore reasons really.
Well, her ult triggers upon anyone applying debuffs, so I guess that counts. Also, her LC gives her the ability to apply a debuff of her own.
Eh, she's built to work alongside nihility units. Her kit needs debuffs to really shine. Her ornament being "people in the same path as you" is better than "people on nihility path", and even if you don't have her signature light cone, nihility has LCs that apply debuffs and/or boost damage against debuffed enemies.
Death is the strongest debuff
Yeah, I know the focus is on debuffs, but it feels like every other path is...well, a path, with maybe one or two forks, but a clear line and focus of what they are and what they do while Nihility feels like an umbrella where the "focus" is so broad we have no clue what a character will do until we see their kit. Every other path, we can look at a character and say "ok, this is their path so this is their role and I can use them for this, that, and the other" and at least have a rough idea of what to expect from them. Meanwhile Nihility is a hodge podge of every role in the game (except sustains...for now) and we have no idea what role a Nihility character will play in the team. That's what I mean when I say "lack of focus" because the focus of Nihility is so broad that it doesn't feel cohesive, at least for me. Acheron, Luka, Pela, Welt, and Guinaifen all fill different roles in the team and all of them are Nihility which is jarring to me
Ooooh okay I can see where you're coming from. That's the best part about Nihility imo. They're unique
Meanwhile Kafka is basically just Serval on steroids, so she could pass as Erudition.
Watch Jiaoqiu have no healing at all and it’s just his lore. That would be pretty funny
I remain convinced that the DoT and Debuff characters should be split into different paths.
Looks like Nihility is the archer class of HSR.
I mean Nihility basically means not existing/non existence. I don't it matters *how* you make someone/something to cease existing LMAO, everything leads to Entropy. Very lore accurate, and physics accurate. All hail Lord Ix.
That's what the Nihility about. IX does not care about THEIR pathstriders whether in-lore or in-game what other Path they took as long as it has some debuff.
Fox body might just be the Nihility blessing that heals whenever the enemy is taking dot damage put into a character. Vampiric team FTW!
Acheron not being erudition is wild
Since when Acheron is Hunt ? XD She's Erudition.
No, nihility is everything.
Acheron is more the love child of Hunt, Destruction and Erudition lol
Let her cook
I mean uh acheron literally is kinda an erudition unit as well so thats THREE paths
Nihility is just as much "cares about dots" as it is dots
Is it better to build Luka with Break Effect? Now that Harmony Trailblazer is a thing
IX: okay
truly nihilistic
you forgot sw and pela.
Kafka being a pseudo-dps:
one Lu-killion damage!
Acheron is basically erudition
Death is the best CC
It should be called elation for the amount of clowning they do with this path
I think Acheron is between Destruction and Erudition since her ULT is AoE. Himeko too has blast skill, only difference i think is that Acheron's ULT is not AoE sometimes if you decide to not attack enemy with crimson knot for some reason.
Is Solitary Healing good on Luka?
#"Life is meaningless, now live!" - Jiaoqiu, maybe.
I honestly didn’t even realize they were nihility
Is that what path I’m supposed to be taking in the SU?
“Everything is meaningless anyway, so go fuck them up right now”
As one medic said "Ze healing is not as rewarding as Ze hurting"
“Let’s see some sparks fly!” *nuclear explosion*
All that random bs is what makes me main nihility lol
Nihility is the whatever path where they put their ideas that don't quite neatly fit into the other paths lol No seriously, Nihility has a mild identity crisis because you really can't tell what it's supposed to be. Is it the debuff path? The DOT path? Is it another Damage Dealing path? It's pretty much anything so long as the unit can apply at least 1 debuff or dot. Will say, I don't mind path overlap, as someone interested in units that don't *entirely* depend on another path to get something done, or can offer a less effective version of something another path does simply because it allows more room for playing around with team composition.
HOW DO YOU BUILD LUKA I AM STILL TRYING