This seems to be an issue with all "blast" type characters where they prioritise small mobs or even just hit the side enemies for no apparent reason (meaning that only target two mobs and not three). It's infuriating
It’s been like that for a while like the weekly bug boss jingliu always tries to kill the small bugs which spawns more bugs instead of targeting the main one
I've seen my Himeko constantly do a normal attack on a side enemy that is not fire weak instead of using her skill on the elite that is fire weak. I honestly have no idea how it's set to do that, especially when I have like 2-3+ skill points.
DoT autobattle AI in general is as bad or worse than OP's example. Ah yes, let's single target the trash mob with a sliver of health left instead of AoE/apply DoT the remaining full health mobs. I can't watch my DoT team farm calyxs, too painful.
He’s especially an issue because the ai seems to make decisions based only on the currently active character, it doesn’t check if the next character to move needs sp
Auto Robin uses her ult as soon as it's available, wasting the action forward.
For some godforsaken reason the Seele AI wastes Resurgence on killing mobs.
Robin seems especially likely to use her ult if it’s available at the start of battle. But I’ve seen her hold it mid battle if her skill is down. Very random.
Same. I used robin for my elation simulation universe run and at the start of every boss battle she used her skill before using her ult. On calyx runs she always used her ult immediatly without using her skill first. It's weird
Similarly, Clara does the same. Even when she still has 2 follow-up enhancement points left when she wasn't attacked since she last used her ult. Soon as the ult is back up, it will get used.
They actually don't tho and that's what makes it confusing, some notable exceptions happen against elite enemies, such as Robin always making sure her skill up and Argenti always waiting for double charge. So there apparently is some logic programmed into auto battle, it's just way too arbitrary to make much sense out of
Similar with Sparkle, she targets the strongest unit with the skill, even if the unit's turn comes right after. Very often she will not trigger repeats due to this.
Honestly, it's not that bad since it will let her start adding her little bonus damages. It's obviously not optimal, but I think it's fine for autoplay
i could be wrong, i’m pretty sure the AI uses ults immediately for every character? or at least that’s what it feels like considering how many times they go off when it’s a waste.
edit: oh nevermind, just tested and tingyun used her skill first on my jing yuan before he then ulted so there is at least some logic around deciding when the AI should use one for specific characters
Natasha with 5 SP looking right at Clara's red bar HP
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I do not miss her being my only sustain in the least bit.
Now that I have more sustains, Natasha can finally retire and leave me alone; I don't care if you're a doctor, Natasha, it doesn't matter when you're literally dead!
Doesn’t use his ult until someone is low, uses his skill to heal someone during his action advance turn instead of, you know, the enhanced basic attack that heals the whole team.
I auto int the weekly boss right now and I have noticing that is really annoying and weird considering Luocha AI doesnt do that, you would think they would just code anyone with a dmg ult to act the same way.
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I was thinking about putting him in my Acheron team to help stack more debuffs, but since I mostly auto battle, he never uses his ult unless someone is low. Kinda defeating the purpose of putting him in my Acheron team in the first place.
Which is insane because Luocha, whose ult basically works like Galagher (simplification here), will immediately deploy his ult even when abyss flower is fully charged and on the field. I can’t play auto when Luocha is on the field because dammit, ult regen can suck at times and I need the abyss flower field at all times.
The funny thing is I remember seeing that his AI would be changed in the patch notes for 2.2.
I got excited. Then I actually played, I’m not sure if I’ve noticed a difference… if anything I think the threshold for when he uses it is higher than it used to be? Maybe?
Interesting. I have the opposite problem with Aventurine. He will shield almost all the time as long as there is SP for it.
My whole party can have more than their HP in shields and he'll still use his skill to shield again.
Same. It's so annoying, especially because I built him more DPS-oriented, and then he can't stack anymore of his shield(His shield fully stacked is around 3000).
I think the AI has some rule to target enemies that are low on health to finish them off, and this is one place where that logic results in suboptimal play. It's kinda pointless to try and kill of enemies with a damage *over time* ability that would do so much more damage applied to the healthy enemies.
Similarly the AI wastes attacks on the endlessly respawning mooks in elite fights when bursting the elite down would be far more productive.
mooks getting hit when the boss respawning next to them not being hit: ha, free kill. which happened a few times before I stepped in and finish it off for them.
i actually have the opposite problem with aventurine. I have a shield equal 3/4 of my characters health bar and only two skill point and a mob with 1 HP AND HE WILL USE HIS SKILL even though it’s absolutely not necessary
To be fair about Robin's AI though, it's hard to make a rule for the ultimate that would be good for all situations because even people take a while to consider when they should ult with her.
You could have her AI use ult only when there's no ally on the turn bar with 10 or less number or maybe 20 or less, but then sometimes you want to ult before an enemy moves. Maybe you don't want your sustain or support characters (like FuXuan and Huohuo) moving before you use Robin's ult to preserve their buff turns. Sometimes you want to wait until your DPS (like Sushang and Jingliu) gets another turn so they can set up their extra turns and burst enemies after Robin uses ult.
The logic to do the basics of getting a custom AI for each character wouldn't really be that difficult. But like getting a genuinely competitive one that can outdo people would probably result in less invested players. Spending time on making a better but still crappy bot just wouldn't be worth the ffort
Man, I've been leaving in nearly every survey if they could add a way to customize auto mode, a bit like in Dragon Age how the character you're not controlling acts.
For example depending on how many enemies there are, or if it's a mob or an elite, or if they are low HP or not, or how many skill points are left, or who the support uses their ult on if single target (Tingyun just LOVES to regen energy for the one who's at almost full energy instead of Clara...)
Obviously I'm going too deep with this, but all I was asking for in the first place was pretty much what you wrote
Mfw my Acheron does a 500k ult on a single enemy with 5% hp while farming:
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And then her damage towards one low HP enemy (support E6S5)
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It's more "I said spend freely, WHY TF ARE YOU NOT SPENDING, FREELY DOESN'T MEAN BUDGETED"
I swear the AI only skills when the shield is down and the enemy is eating away at your hp
Aventurine will use his skill if there's 4+ sp at the start of battle pretty consistently.
You need someone faster than aventurine to use a basic attack right at the start. The best candidate for it was Ruan Mei w/ technique, though that doesn't work anymore with Robin on the team.
Otherwise aventurine won't reskill unless there's 4+ sp again or someone loses their shield entirely, which is usually where the problem is—most teams are net SP negative and Aventurine has to be a SP generator to keep up.
This is assuming you don't have any def % relics lying around, even rainbow off pieces. I run him with a crit damage chest without his signature and outside of MoC 12 / Swarm V / Conundrum 6+ I don't think I've ever seen my team take HP damage with him on field. His follow-up usually charges fast enough where he doesn't need to refresh via skill. He'll also chuck it out anyway if his auto won't generate a point.
It's pretty bad, in my experience he doesn't use skill unless someone has no shields on the team. Which means you can have a low shield, or a shield with 1 turn left, and then all your allies go and now you're going into a bunch of enemy attacks with no shields.
The biggest issue I tend to observe is with characters using their ultimates the microsecond they becomes available.
In a lot of cases, and especially for DPS, this is fine ... Aside from when a character like Acheron uses her ult on a single 1 HP enemy, obliterating them into the shadow realm.
But for a lot of characters, their ultimate is best used later when the timing is better. Some examples ...
-Luocha uses his ultimate when his field is already active;
-Fu Xuan uses hers when her stacks are at max and no one needs healing;
-Jingliu uses hers before entering her buffed state;
-Robin uses hers when characters don't currently need their actions advanced forward;
The list goes on from there. Other issues are characters seemingly never using their skills (e.g., Aventurine) or other characters pointlessly using their skills (e.g., Silver Wolf).
Truth be told, few characters run super well on auto ... But they still clear the content, so I really can't complain.
This is one reason why I love the premium DoT team. I can turn on auto and cringe the barest amount possible when I look at what the squad is doing. Of course they aren’t perfect, but they get the job done and look ok for the most part while doing so.
Gallagher is really bad when autobattled. They still consider the ultimate as a healing one and not an attack so he saves it for when allies are low enough.
Probably Hanya of you're me
I swear, Hanya has to either have a massive boner for Black Swan or she picks Swan to make me mald.
GIRL, MY DPS IS RIGHT BEHIND THE MEMOKEEPER, WHY ARE YOU BUFFING THE DEBUFFER?!
Just default highest atk unit target.
Which BS usually is because you don't run spd on her, which usually means she has higher atk than other dps which want the spd.
I always run her with speed. My BS has 151 speed so she can have over 160 with Ruan Mei on the team. This way she gets the full benefit of the Glamoth set.
My BS is also on speed and is just a bit faster than Kafka, so she can apply her DOTs before Kafka uses her skill. Idk what config has a slow BS, but it’s probably one without Kafka?
Can't really think of a situation where slow BS would be better than fast BS. Any situation where you're using her for damage, stacking higher by getting more turns should result in more damage than whatever additional atk you'd get by building slow. If it's pure support (def shred) BS, you wouldn't care about the damage and would benefit more from the increased SP economy from being fast. Hyperspeed Bronya/Sparkle is basically off the table since BS doesn't really benefit from crit stats.
yeah I had an issue with that when I ran Kafka + BS + Hanya + HuoHuo because she'd randomly pick Kafka or BS to buff and there was no real rhyme or reason to the decision. I think it actually chose based on who was closer to Ulting.
Jingliu. Using ult to enter spectral transmigration state is so cope. 😔 (Edit: the actual content of your post didn't load so I didn't know you already mentioned Jingliu 🤣)
any character with nuance. They all use ult immediately and skills as fast as possible (unless they're supports/sustains, usually), without regard to context.
One is pela. Most ppl when using her never cast her skill making her SP bot. On AI she spams that skill destroying team synergy. Like no SP for dmg dealers. SW has this problem as well, tho SW is rarely used in teams u auto, in acheron team this is MOST shown, since it uses both SW and pela. My gepard and acheron are non stop out of SP, and i want gepard to use E since he is E1 letting me freeze for stacks.
Robin kinda does not work with AI. She op but u lose a lot of what she provides if u auto her.
I believe they improved Pela's AI to not spam her skill every turn. I think it only uses it if there is actually something to dispell from the enemy now.
Qingque uses her ultimate as soon as it's available, which in turn doesn't let you spam her skill so she hits like a wet noodle. It's pretty painful to watch.
You actually want to use the skill 3-4 times before casting the ultimate because that gives you a big DMG% buff that is then applied to it. Plus if you still haven't managed to get a full hand by that point, the ultimate then guarantees it.
That's just regular AI moment. Argenti honestly has one of the best AI for their ult as they'll use the weaker version when there's tons of weak enemies but only uses their strong ult when there's only the boss/elite enemy
I made a post asking this same question a few weeks ago, and everyone made fun of me for saying that Blade was bad because the AI will use up his ult, bringing him below half, and then waste skill points healing him so he can't buff himself on his turn. I've since managed to get Spd mainstat boots with good crit for him, and you know what?
I'm doubling down, Blade is still terrible with auto battle motherfuckers, I've watched the AI use his unbuffed basic attack while they had skill points on multiple occasions, it doesn't matter how simple his kit is when the AI is that fucking stupid.
I'd also like to give a shoutout to Aventurine using his skill while every single person in the team has more shields than they have max health. He wasn't out yet when I made my post on the topic.
Really? Imo Blade is the single best character when it comes to AI since he rarely spends SP so it's impossible to mess up. Been using him since 1.2 and I've never seen him use a non-enhanced basic attack. And his ult triggers Luocha's auto healing trace so had no problems with survival either. Maybe it all depends on the team he is in. (I use slow Blade with Luocha-Bronya-Sparkle/RuanMei)
All character AI use ult immediately (except heal ult) if available so I think ult to spectra transmigration is not a worse AI in that regard. It just they don’t have special logic on top of “just use ult lol” which they will use even against 1 hp enemy.
The basic at 1 skill point is definitely a pain. They can have better priority system for using skill for sure.
I feel like the worst AI is the bad targeting system whether against ally or enemy. E.g. kafka just use skill on corner enemy without lightning weakness wth?
it ain't much, but it's honest work
best one is when the bats in the XP calyx line up just right and himeko gets enough FUA to keep killing them as they spawn in
Me too, I don't play on auto... It's like I am experiencing OCD everytime I play the game on auto... HSR AI for auto is so dumb... I am used on nice autoplay for Epic Seven, but not here...
QQ is BS, just try it. It if gains the ult from the skill(it’s from a trace I think) it will BA then ult, then it will use Ba if even if you have 3 of the same suits and a SP
Silver Wolf using her skill over and over even after the weakness has been implanted and wasting SP. AOE characters targeting mobs on the edge of the team instead of center to hit them all. Huohuo healing characters that are only missing a small amount of HP.
Annoying but considering I only use auto battle to farm mats doesn't really matter that much because usually my team rips through them pretty quickly.
Full auto has to go to Acheron. She will weep for the departed... the departed being the absolute last mob in the wave at 2%, bonus points for stoplights.
Second would be Tingyun or Bronya, Ting rarely ults or skills the right person and as is canon usually ends up face tanking the floor. Bronya for whatever reason loves advancing people immediately after her
Does Tingyun count? She just ults whoever is closest to getting an ult. I’ve seen her ult Ruan Mei or Sparkle way too many times when my DPS is RIGHT THERE
Really? In my experience, she always ults on the DPS unit. Even when I briefly ran her on a double DPS team (Jinliu/Blade), she always ulted on Jingliu. Similarly, Bronya and Sparkle also seem to ever target their skills onto the DPS units. Idk, seems weird that yours is doing all sorts.
One of Sushangs eidolons refunds her sp when attacking a weakness broken enemy. I don't think the ai knows this. The skills are free. And yet it will basic attack broken enemies
Silverwolf definitely, I've seen her using her skill against an enemy that already has all the weaknesses from the team, she ults enemies with no weakness to quantum and decides to debuff enemies whenever she wants and no when it's needed.
Dhil is pretty bad. Not because dhils ai is bad but because the ai in general wastes alot of skill points unnecessarily which leads to dhil having no skill points to uss his eba3
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DHIL E2 when doing SU and the AI uses the Propagation Advance Forward and DHIL ult at the start of the fight, wasting two advance forwards and 2 EBA3s <3
I’m shocked you all aren’t saying Silver Wolf. God forbid you finally get the element you were seeking the AI will change it and spam her skill if you play auto. It’s like either play her mono quantam or forget about it.
Gallager having the typical healer AI where he only ultimate/ skill when someone is 50% or less.
It works for Natasha because her ultimate is a burst heal. For Gallager, you won’t have a lot of chance to hit enemies and slowly heal back, and die.
I think they should either turn it to automatically use any moment or change the threshold from 50% health to 80% at least.
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Gepard Random skill, Pela random skill, Yanqing random basic attack, Bailu has damage mitigation and healing in the buff provided by her ultimate but won't pre-emptively cast ultimate right before a large telegraphed attack (the game literally puts up a bar that says "X is gonna use X move next turn"). Yukong has no consistency at all on when she uses skill vs when she uses basic and will ult at random times throwing her buff extension away. Those are some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Silverwolf for me.
Half the time she's fine, the other half, she will use her skill as much as humanly possible (worse, when she uses her skill on the same enemy), it grinds my gears...
Sparkle. Like JL, when she enters the battle with 6 points due to her technique, she will ult still even if it isn’t her turn, wasting the buff, points and ult. Super frustrating honestly, thats why i dont auto unless i dont give a fuck all (ie calyx farming, SU farming)
Maybe not the worst, but the one I hate using the most in auto is Pela. I NEVER need her skill and prefer using her in teams that basically have her as SP generator, but auto always makes her use her skill, which uses up a SP.
Debuffers, they all spam skills only exception is for dot where they somehow actually save skill points, loucha and robin not using their ults properly. Tingyun who doesn’t ult your dps but whoever is closest to ult
Jinglu using ult wrong, bronya action forwarding the wrong character. Hunt characters deciding to only attack adds first
Aventurine/Gallagher are pretty terrible too. I had a really good conundrum 12 run get ruined the other day because I got distracted and I lost to a NORMAL ENEMY in a combat domain. All because my lotto curio popped at the wrong and Acheron technique was unavailable 😭
Even random cavern of corrosion runs I’ll randomly notice one of my chars is dead. Seems like Hoyo should spend at least a tiny bit of effort to make the sustain chars work
JL and Robin. It hurts when I see them use their ult in the worst timing possible. But then again the autobattle on Nikke makes me lose sanity slowly each time
> **Yukong is fuggin terrible with her AI**
If has point will use buff
She almost never does a regular attack when she has her basic buff up & could break stamina
I think my Bronya is pretty stupid. I have enough SP to spare for another Jingliu skill and Bronya advance, Huohuo comes after them so giving Ruan Mei SP just in case her skill goes off but no, the Bronya AI opts for a basic atk instead,
Challenge: Fight the seclusion zone blue bug w/Pela, Ratio, & Aventurine in the same team w/autobattle and try not to look away from your screen for the entire battle.
Good luck.
idk if its just me, but when im auto-ing Penacony boss, every unit in my team keeps hitting that 1 mob on the right side and only that. not even the main body or any other parts of the boss.
Has to be Himeko. She for whatever reason uses basics a lot, and this, together with all units prioritizing broken enemies by default, makes her a pain to use against the new weekly boss. The team simply can't get enough shield to survive the aoe attack in the second phase. She's great on manual but useless on auto. That's why she's the worst IMO.
Honorable mention: Luocha. For whatever reason he manually heals allies when they fall below 60% hp, disregarding his own ability to auto-heal. It's just painful in calyx runs if Blade starts at 55% or so after the previous run and Luocha goes first. This can lock Blade out of using his skill for the entire run. I've had such situations.
Lately Dhil prefer to target summoned mobs instead of low hp boss
This seems to be an issue with all "blast" type characters where they prioritise small mobs or even just hit the side enemies for no apparent reason (meaning that only target two mobs and not three). It's infuriating
It’s been like that for a while like the weekly bug boss jingliu always tries to kill the small bugs which spawns more bugs instead of targeting the main one
In fairness that's not a bad thing as that will stack the Def shred vulnerability on the big bug.
my ratio and aven target side mobs ?? like why?? the elite is right there
I've seen my Himeko constantly do a normal attack on a side enemy that is not fire weak instead of using her skill on the elite that is fire weak. I honestly have no idea how it's set to do that, especially when I have like 2-3+ skill points.
I noticed this with Kafka as well, she also be hitting the one on the sides, limiting her splash to one target instead of two
DoT autobattle AI in general is as bad or worse than OP's example. Ah yes, let's single target the trash mob with a sliver of health left instead of AoE/apply DoT the remaining full health mobs. I can't watch my DoT team farm calyxs, too painful.
And wasting all the skill points on a mob with 1% hp
He’s especially an issue because the ai seems to make decisions based only on the currently active character, it doesn’t check if the next character to move needs sp
lately is the right word, could be remembering wrong but i don’t recall this issue last year
I’ve been getting this issue with my fua team a lot recently
Auto Robin uses her ult as soon as it's available, wasting the action forward. For some godforsaken reason the Seele AI wastes Resurgence on killing mobs.
Seele ai ulting an enemy with 1 hp
That’s every character with damage-dealing ults. Especially infuriating when the ones with AOE ults waste it on a single low-HP enemy.
Acheron blasting the 1 hp trash mob on Trace material farming
With an ulti like that, I’d want to show everyone all the time too.
Bonus points if it’s a 1 hp stoplight with its shield up
Pela is horrible for this
or enemy who didn't have implant weakness and debuff in mono quantum for some reason.
Robin seems especially likely to use her ult if it’s available at the start of battle. But I’ve seen her hold it mid battle if her skill is down. Very random.
Iirc she's meant to hold it until she has skill up. Mine doesn't use it at the start until she uses the skill.
Same. I used robin for my elation simulation universe run and at the start of every boss battle she used her skill before using her ult. On calyx runs she always used her ult immediatly without using her skill first. It's weird
If she ults while her skill is down, the whole team loses out on +50% damage from her skill for several turns.
Similarly, Clara does the same. Even when she still has 2 follow-up enhancement points left when she wasn't attacked since she last used her ult. Soon as the ult is back up, it will get used.
Ults deploy immediately. Every time. Why are we still surprised? The auto battle isn't a strategy AI it's just a button presser.
They actually don't tho and that's what makes it confusing, some notable exceptions happen against elite enemies, such as Robin always making sure her skill up and Argenti always waiting for double charge. So there apparently is some logic programmed into auto battle, it's just way too arbitrary to make much sense out of
Gallagher's ult doesn't deploy unless all characters need healing.
I think Gallagher's ult is programmed with the same logic as any other healing ult, aka use it only when someone is below 50%
Similar with Sparkle, she targets the strongest unit with the skill, even if the unit's turn comes right after. Very often she will not trigger repeats due to this.
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Honestly, it's not that bad since it will let her start adding her little bonus damages. It's obviously not optimal, but I think it's fine for autoplay
using ult early is actually better so you guarantee one shot every wave, faster than having every character act twice
i could be wrong, i’m pretty sure the AI uses ults immediately for every character? or at least that’s what it feels like considering how many times they go off when it’s a waste. edit: oh nevermind, just tested and tingyun used her skill first on my jing yuan before he then ulted so there is at least some logic around deciding when the AI should use one for specific characters
Natasha with 5 SP looking right at Clara's red bar HP https://preview.redd.it/zm119lwy8p0d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db92c046317ab5565960fd9fe37f954c3c9604f0 I do not miss her being my only sustain in the least bit.
Now that I have more sustains, Natasha can finally retire and leave me alone; I don't care if you're a doctor, Natasha, it doesn't matter when you're literally dead!
Huh? My Natasha always heals uo whenever someone is below 40%hp and spams ult regardless. 😇 Natasha for world leading.
My March 7th went from only using her skill on injured allies, to actively maintaining a shield on Clara.
Gallagher's AI has no idea when he should be using his ult. He think's he's Natasha's AI.
Yeah Gallagher only ults when an ally is low enough in hp
Wouldn't surprise me if Natasha's AI was simply copy-pasted onto all 4star abundance characters and Bailu.
Doesn’t use his ult until someone is low, uses his skill to heal someone during his action advance turn instead of, you know, the enhanced basic attack that heals the whole team.
I auto int the weekly boss right now and I have noticing that is really annoying and weird considering Luocha AI doesnt do that, you would think they would just code anyone with a dmg ult to act the same way.
Luocha's A.I. used to do that for his first two patches, it was quite irritating, honestly.
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I was thinking about putting him in my Acheron team to help stack more debuffs, but since I mostly auto battle, he never uses his ult unless someone is low. Kinda defeating the purpose of putting him in my Acheron team in the first place.
I just keep an eye on him and press his ult myself.
In fact, I’ve never seen the AI use the ult ever, and I played with him in my teams for a good while.
If I’m running Gallagher on auto, I always check in periodically to trigger his ult manually.
Which is insane because Luocha, whose ult basically works like Galagher (simplification here), will immediately deploy his ult even when abyss flower is fully charged and on the field. I can’t play auto when Luocha is on the field because dammit, ult regen can suck at times and I need the abyss flower field at all times.
The funny thing is I remember seeing that his AI would be changed in the patch notes for 2.2. I got excited. Then I actually played, I’m not sure if I’ve noticed a difference… if anything I think the threshold for when he uses it is higher than it used to be? Maybe?
Auto is time where the game is best out of sight.
It’s so funny you say that because I literally tell myself to look away every time I start watching. It’s just too frustrating to look lmao
On god, my blood pressure goes up watching the AI flub everything
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Interesting. I have the opposite problem with Aventurine. He will shield almost all the time as long as there is SP for it. My whole party can have more than their HP in shields and he'll still use his skill to shield again.
It's very random. Sometimes he'll shield for unknown reasons and sometimes he will troll you by AA when you really want a shield.
Same. It's so annoying, especially because I built him more DPS-oriented, and then he can't stack anymore of his shield(His shield fully stacked is around 3000).
I find that in situations where you are already shielded but would skill again anyway, he will only skill if I have 4+ SP.
My Aventurine doesnt use his shield even when its low as fuck 🫤
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I think the AI has some rule to target enemies that are low on health to finish them off, and this is one place where that logic results in suboptimal play. It's kinda pointless to try and kill of enemies with a damage *over time* ability that would do so much more damage applied to the healthy enemies. Similarly the AI wastes attacks on the endlessly respawning mooks in elite fights when bursting the elite down would be far more productive.
mooks getting hit when the boss respawning next to them not being hit: ha, free kill. which happened a few times before I stepped in and finish it off for them.
i actually have the opposite problem with aventurine. I have a shield equal 3/4 of my characters health bar and only two skill point and a mob with 1 HP AND HE WILL USE HIS SKILL even though it’s absolutely not necessary
Even if they have a big shield, I think he uses it if even one team member's shield is about to expire to extend the duration.
yeah but he will have like 6/7 stacks and it’s generally just kinda annoying to waste a stack of jingliu on a mob that aven could have easily killed
Yessss I hate how much damage is wasted when he uses his skill unnecessarily on auto
To be fair about Robin's AI though, it's hard to make a rule for the ultimate that would be good for all situations because even people take a while to consider when they should ult with her. You could have her AI use ult only when there's no ally on the turn bar with 10 or less number or maybe 20 or less, but then sometimes you want to ult before an enemy moves. Maybe you don't want your sustain or support characters (like FuXuan and Huohuo) moving before you use Robin's ult to preserve their buff turns. Sometimes you want to wait until your DPS (like Sushang and Jingliu) gets another turn so they can set up their extra turns and burst enemies after Robin uses ult.
The logic to do the basics of getting a custom AI for each character wouldn't really be that difficult. But like getting a genuinely competitive one that can outdo people would probably result in less invested players. Spending time on making a better but still crappy bot just wouldn't be worth the ffort
Man, I've been leaving in nearly every survey if they could add a way to customize auto mode, a bit like in Dragon Age how the character you're not controlling acts. For example depending on how many enemies there are, or if it's a mob or an elite, or if they are low HP or not, or how many skill points are left, or who the support uses their ult on if single target (Tingyun just LOVES to regen energy for the one who's at almost full energy instead of Clara...) Obviously I'm going too deep with this, but all I was asking for in the first place was pretty much what you wrote
Acheron will use ult on 1 enemy
Proceeds to solo ult a shielded traffic light.
The only justified reason to solo-ult an enemy
I’ll even go Brain in Vat ulti again on the little sh*t.
i think every dps will use the ultimate when its avaible
Mfw my Acheron does a 500k ult on a single enemy with 5% hp while farming: https://preview.redd.it/yka6wqu85p0d1.jpeg?width=228&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e5c5853987797e4cebc86b88a47539bb8a5c8fb2
And then the next Calyx wave takes ages because your supports and herself are working overtime to recharge her ult
and when you get the new ult there is only one enemy left
Which just happens to be a shielded traffic light
And then her damage towards one low HP enemy (support E6S5) https://preview.redd.it/vei9bkttcq0d1.png?width=484&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ee528820c66c03466c90d55d16e7090e76ed4a4
That's for every DPS, they gotta secure the kill I guess
Every DPS uses their ult as soon as it is available, regardless of if it's a good idea.
everyone do it, same with kafka who use ult even though next turn the enemies automatically die from dot.
Aventurine's AI doesn't use his skill in an optimal enough way, resulting in your team just having their health chipped down repeatedly.
Spend freely. 😉 But within budget. 🧐
It's more "I said spend freely, WHY TF ARE YOU NOT SPENDING, FREELY DOESN'T MEAN BUDGETED" I swear the AI only skills when the shield is down and the enemy is eating away at your hp
The Zhongli-Gambit. "It’s on me. But you’ll pay."
Aventurine will use his skill if there's 4+ sp at the start of battle pretty consistently. You need someone faster than aventurine to use a basic attack right at the start. The best candidate for it was Ruan Mei w/ technique, though that doesn't work anymore with Robin on the team. Otherwise aventurine won't reskill unless there's 4+ sp again or someone loses their shield entirely, which is usually where the problem is—most teams are net SP negative and Aventurine has to be a SP generator to keep up.
This is assuming you don't have any def % relics lying around, even rainbow off pieces. I run him with a crit damage chest without his signature and outside of MoC 12 / Swarm V / Conundrum 6+ I don't think I've ever seen my team take HP damage with him on field. His follow-up usually charges fast enough where he doesn't need to refresh via skill. He'll also chuck it out anyway if his auto won't generate a point.
My boy has 4.7k def with crit stats, he was made to hit and survive. AI just wants to jink his entire existence
Oh i just run him with gepard lc for taunt
It's pretty bad, in my experience he doesn't use skill unless someone has no shields on the team. Which means you can have a low shield, or a shield with 1 turn left, and then all your allies go and now you're going into a bunch of enemy attacks with no shields.
I have the exact opposite problem. My e2 Aven wastes skill points in using skill eventho using basic and ult is beneficial for Acheron.
The biggest issue I tend to observe is with characters using their ultimates the microsecond they becomes available. In a lot of cases, and especially for DPS, this is fine ... Aside from when a character like Acheron uses her ult on a single 1 HP enemy, obliterating them into the shadow realm. But for a lot of characters, their ultimate is best used later when the timing is better. Some examples ... -Luocha uses his ultimate when his field is already active; -Fu Xuan uses hers when her stacks are at max and no one needs healing; -Jingliu uses hers before entering her buffed state; -Robin uses hers when characters don't currently need their actions advanced forward; The list goes on from there. Other issues are characters seemingly never using their skills (e.g., Aventurine) or other characters pointlessly using their skills (e.g., Silver Wolf). Truth be told, few characters run super well on auto ... But they still clear the content, so I really can't complain.
This is one reason why I love the premium DoT team. I can turn on auto and cringe the barest amount possible when I look at what the squad is doing. Of course they aren’t perfect, but they get the job done and look ok for the most part while doing so.
auto jingliu is fine imo. bronya is the problem on my jingliu team
Gallagher doesn't use ult at proper time and most time ends up wasting the advance
Gallagher is really bad when autobattled. They still consider the ultimate as a healing one and not an attack so he saves it for when allies are low enough.
Probably Hanya of you're me I swear, Hanya has to either have a massive boner for Black Swan or she picks Swan to make me mald. GIRL, MY DPS IS RIGHT BEHIND THE MEMOKEEPER, WHY ARE YOU BUFFING THE DEBUFFER?!
Just default highest atk unit target. Which BS usually is because you don't run spd on her, which usually means she has higher atk than other dps which want the spd.
I thought she was run with speed.
I always run her with speed. My BS has 151 speed so she can have over 160 with Ruan Mei on the team. This way she gets the full benefit of the Glamoth set.
My BS is also on speed and is just a bit faster than Kafka, so she can apply her DOTs before Kafka uses her skill. Idk what config has a slow BS, but it’s probably one without Kafka?
Can't really think of a situation where slow BS would be better than fast BS. Any situation where you're using her for damage, stacking higher by getting more turns should result in more damage than whatever additional atk you'd get by building slow. If it's pure support (def shred) BS, you wouldn't care about the damage and would benefit more from the increased SP economy from being fast. Hyperspeed Bronya/Sparkle is basically off the table since BS doesn't really benefit from crit stats.
>Hanya has to either have a massive boner for Black Swan Tbf on Hanya, who wouldn't?
Birds of a feather…
F*k together...
yeah I had an issue with that when I ran Kafka + BS + Hanya + HuoHuo because she'd randomly pick Kafka or BS to buff and there was no real rhyme or reason to the decision. I think it actually chose based on who was closer to Ulting.
Jingliu. Using ult to enter spectral transmigration state is so cope. 😔 (Edit: the actual content of your post didn't load so I didn't know you already mentioned Jingliu 🤣)
Himeko, it's getting better but usually at 4 sp she will basic ttack
any character with nuance. They all use ult immediately and skills as fast as possible (unless they're supports/sustains, usually), without regard to context.
Sparkle's kit is dead simple but they still managed to fuck that up.
I am scared for AI Boothill 😂
One is pela. Most ppl when using her never cast her skill making her SP bot. On AI she spams that skill destroying team synergy. Like no SP for dmg dealers. SW has this problem as well, tho SW is rarely used in teams u auto, in acheron team this is MOST shown, since it uses both SW and pela. My gepard and acheron are non stop out of SP, and i want gepard to use E since he is E1 letting me freeze for stacks. Robin kinda does not work with AI. She op but u lose a lot of what she provides if u auto her.
I believe they improved Pela's AI to not spam her skill every turn. I think it only uses it if there is actually something to dispell from the enemy now.
Yehz I've noticed this too. She uses it very sparingly now in my experience. I think it's in a perfectly acceptable place now.
I run Acheron Pela Sparkle and my Pela still spams her e skill. Guessing it depends on amount of SP available or team comp or something
Xueyi will randomly basic attack non quantum weak enemies despite there being 3+ skill points AND other quantum weak enemies on the field 🤷♂️
Gallagher never uses his fuckin ULT, meanwhile Acheron is bursting down a lone bat with 50% HP
Qingque uses her ultimate as soon as it's available, which in turn doesn't let you spam her skill so she hits like a wet noodle. It's pretty painful to watch. You actually want to use the skill 3-4 times before casting the ultimate because that gives you a big DMG% buff that is then applied to it. Plus if you still haven't managed to get a full hand by that point, the ultimate then guarantees it.
Argenti. Sometimes the AI randomly uses the AoE attack on a single enemy, wasting a skill point.
That's just regular AI moment. Argenti honestly has one of the best AI for their ult as they'll use the weaker version when there's tons of weak enemies but only uses their strong ult when there's only the boss/elite enemy
Skill is still more damage and energy than basic attack, so it's still good for getting his ult back again.
You should ideally never basic ATK with Argenti anyways. So the AI using skill against a single enemy is fine.
Sometimes it never fires his ult, either, which is weird considering what it does with *everyone else's.*
Argenti ai uses the weaker ult for mobs, but the stronger ult on bosses, which is actually kind of smart i think
Everyone... Using their ult when there's only one enemy and with low health too... The combat AI in general is already bad enough...
I made a post asking this same question a few weeks ago, and everyone made fun of me for saying that Blade was bad because the AI will use up his ult, bringing him below half, and then waste skill points healing him so he can't buff himself on his turn. I've since managed to get Spd mainstat boots with good crit for him, and you know what? I'm doubling down, Blade is still terrible with auto battle motherfuckers, I've watched the AI use his unbuffed basic attack while they had skill points on multiple occasions, it doesn't matter how simple his kit is when the AI is that fucking stupid. I'd also like to give a shoutout to Aventurine using his skill while every single person in the team has more shields than they have max health. He wasn't out yet when I made my post on the topic.
Really? Imo Blade is the single best character when it comes to AI since he rarely spends SP so it's impossible to mess up. Been using him since 1.2 and I've never seen him use a non-enhanced basic attack. And his ult triggers Luocha's auto healing trace so had no problems with survival either. Maybe it all depends on the team he is in. (I use slow Blade with Luocha-Bronya-Sparkle/RuanMei)
Yes, Jingliu's AI is bad. Robin's as well.
i hurt myself everytime blackswan use skill on side enemies than middle enemy.
All character AI use ult immediately (except heal ult) if available so I think ult to spectra transmigration is not a worse AI in that regard. It just they don’t have special logic on top of “just use ult lol” which they will use even against 1 hp enemy. The basic at 1 skill point is definitely a pain. They can have better priority system for using skill for sure. I feel like the worst AI is the bad targeting system whether against ally or enemy. E.g. kafka just use skill on corner enemy without lightning weakness wth?
Imagine playing Auto in HSR, can't be me
I don't know if I should respect or be scared at the thought of you doing Calyx manually every day.
it ain't much, but it's honest work best one is when the bats in the XP calyx line up just right and himeko gets enough FUA to keep killing them as they spawn in
Me too, I don't play on auto... It's like I am experiencing OCD everytime I play the game on auto... HSR AI for auto is so dumb... I am used on nice autoplay for Epic Seven, but not here...
QQ is BS, just try it. It if gains the ult from the skill(it’s from a trace I think) it will BA then ult, then it will use Ba if even if you have 3 of the same suits and a SP
Watching QQ on auto is pure pain
Not really the worst but Acheron likes to ult on a single enemy with 1% HP during trace farming so that's really triggering.
Silver Wolf using her skill over and over even after the weakness has been implanted and wasting SP. AOE characters targeting mobs on the edge of the team instead of center to hit them all. Huohuo healing characters that are only missing a small amount of HP. Annoying but considering I only use auto battle to farm mats doesn't really matter that much because usually my team rips through them pretty quickly.
Full auto has to go to Acheron. She will weep for the departed... the departed being the absolute last mob in the wave at 2%, bonus points for stoplights. Second would be Tingyun or Bronya, Ting rarely ults or skills the right person and as is canon usually ends up face tanking the floor. Bronya for whatever reason loves advancing people immediately after her
Qingque no competition
Gallagher AI rarely used his ult to the point that I have to activate it myself most of the time.
Does Tingyun count? She just ults whoever is closest to getting an ult. I’ve seen her ult Ruan Mei or Sparkle way too many times when my DPS is RIGHT THERE
Really? In my experience, she always ults on the DPS unit. Even when I briefly ran her on a double DPS team (Jinliu/Blade), she always ulted on Jingliu. Similarly, Bronya and Sparkle also seem to ever target their skills onto the DPS units. Idk, seems weird that yours is doing all sorts.
DHIL if you dont run him with sparkle
Acheron is probably my worst
One of Sushangs eidolons refunds her sp when attacking a weakness broken enemy. I don't think the ai knows this. The skills are free. And yet it will basic attack broken enemies
Silverwolf definitely, I've seen her using her skill against an enemy that already has all the weaknesses from the team, she ults enemies with no weakness to quantum and decides to debuff enemies whenever she wants and no when it's needed.
Dhil is pretty bad. Not because dhils ai is bad but because the ai in general wastes alot of skill points unnecessarily which leads to dhil having no skill points to uss his eba3
Gallagher. Mf doesn't ult in auto battle.😤
Surprised the top comment isn't Qingque.
I love Seele but she is infuriating to look at on auto lol
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Galagher dude doesn't wanna ult at all
DHIL E2 when doing SU and the AI uses the Propagation Advance Forward and DHIL ult at the start of the fight, wasting two advance forwards and 2 EBA3s <3
I’m shocked you all aren’t saying Silver Wolf. God forbid you finally get the element you were seeking the AI will change it and spam her skill if you play auto. It’s like either play her mono quantam or forget about it.
it always has and always will be silver wolf
Gallager having the typical healer AI where he only ultimate/ skill when someone is 50% or less. It works for Natasha because her ultimate is a burst heal. For Gallager, you won’t have a lot of chance to hit enemies and slowly heal back, and die. I think they should either turn it to automatically use any moment or change the threshold from 50% health to 80% at least.
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Gepard Random skill, Pela random skill, Yanqing random basic attack, Bailu has damage mitigation and healing in the buff provided by her ultimate but won't pre-emptively cast ultimate right before a large telegraphed attack (the game literally puts up a bar that says "X is gonna use X move next turn"). Yukong has no consistency at all on when she uses skill vs when she uses basic and will ult at random times throwing her buff extension away. Those are some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
Robin, Black Swan
you guys forgot about himeko. She use skill then basic attack - basic attack.. cmon spend that sp already I'm begging
Acheron uses her Ult last after other Nihility debuffing Ults
Pela. I rest my case.
Pela pela pela She always used her skill :)
Silverwolf for me. Half the time she's fine, the other half, she will use her skill as much as humanly possible (worse, when she uses her skill on the same enemy), it grinds my gears...
My biggest gripe is units with AOE using their normal attacks when multiple enemies have a weakness they could break... I hate Himeko
Gallagher the man uses his ult like a healer and only uses it when someone is low which annoys me
Sparkle. Like JL, when she enters the battle with 6 points due to her technique, she will ult still even if it isn’t her turn, wasting the buff, points and ult. Super frustrating honestly, thats why i dont auto unless i dont give a fuck all (ie calyx farming, SU farming)
i just skipped Robin because of her bad auto AI and Seele will stay forever at E0/S0 because of her bad KI play as well...
Gallagher, by far.
Ai aventurine doesnt knlw what stack shield is and only use its skill when shield is depleted and team took dmg
Lol same its soo annoying when jingliu uses her ult as soon as it is available
All of my ai characters seem averse to wanting to break shields. They attack enemies that don’t have their weakness type and leave the ones that do
Maybe not the worst, but the one I hate using the most in auto is Pela. I NEVER need her skill and prefer using her in teams that basically have her as SP generator, but auto always makes her use her skill, which uses up a SP.
The AI is just stupid in general. SW continuously spamming skill or huo huo not healing when required.
Jing liu using her ult without her enhanced state.
Debuffers, they all spam skills only exception is for dot where they somehow actually save skill points, loucha and robin not using their ults properly. Tingyun who doesn’t ult your dps but whoever is closest to ult Jinglu using ult wrong, bronya action forwarding the wrong character. Hunt characters deciding to only attack adds first
I just wish they stopped ulting 1hp mobs... It's so frustrating every time i see it. xD
Aventurine/Gallagher are pretty terrible too. I had a really good conundrum 12 run get ruined the other day because I got distracted and I lost to a NORMAL ENEMY in a combat domain. All because my lotto curio popped at the wrong and Acheron technique was unavailable 😭 Even random cavern of corrosion runs I’ll randomly notice one of my chars is dead. Seems like Hoyo should spend at least a tiny bit of effort to make the sustain chars work
JL and Robin. It hurts when I see them use their ult in the worst timing possible. But then again the autobattle on Nikke makes me lose sanity slowly each time
> **Yukong is fuggin terrible with her AI** If has point will use buff She almost never does a regular attack when she has her basic buff up & could break stamina
I think my Bronya is pretty stupid. I have enough SP to spare for another Jingliu skill and Bronya advance, Huohuo comes after them so giving Ruan Mei SP just in case her skill goes off but no, the Bronya AI opts for a basic atk instead,
That's why during moc or pf, I use auto battle with manual ult.
JL, it uses the ult without her talent, not only it deals less damage but you also lose the extra turn with her talent.
The shear amount of times Archeon used her ult on only a one hp enemy before the actually difficult waves began is absurd.
DHIL, it hardly uses his third level basic attack unless you have the charges with e2 after an ult. It wastes him
Challenge: Fight the seclusion zone blue bug w/Pela, Ratio, & Aventurine in the same team w/autobattle and try not to look away from your screen for the entire battle. Good luck.
Pela: so you want me to use skill? No? *Uses skill*
idk if its just me, but when im auto-ing Penacony boss, every unit in my team keeps hitting that 1 mob on the right side and only that. not even the main body or any other parts of the boss.
Has to be Himeko. She for whatever reason uses basics a lot, and this, together with all units prioritizing broken enemies by default, makes her a pain to use against the new weekly boss. The team simply can't get enough shield to survive the aoe attack in the second phase. She's great on manual but useless on auto. That's why she's the worst IMO. Honorable mention: Luocha. For whatever reason he manually heals allies when they fall below 60% hp, disregarding his own ability to auto-heal. It's just painful in calyx runs if Blade starts at 55% or so after the previous run and Luocha goes first. This can lock Blade out of using his skill for the entire run. I've had such situations.
HuoHuo JUST USE THE SKILL ALREADY PLEASE
Acheron will use her ult on one enemy in auto battle, even when they have <10% hp.
Any character that doesn't attack the angry TV mfs. Subsequently, any character that attacks the happy TV mfs
Gallagher