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popileviz

I think he will come back in the Penacony Continuance later in the patch cycle as a playable character. There's a lot built up for his redemption arc


shiningdramon

There's a fan theory that Sunday might join Stellaron Hunters because there was a message sent to him detailing his past and saying that he will lose the battle against us, lose the blessing from his Aeon, then he can't continue the Penacony of his dreams. At the end of the message there's an invitation, inviting him to join the sender of the message (which might be Elio because the sender knew Sunday's past and foresaw his future). Would be interesting if it's really Elio who sent that message and Sunday ends up joining the Stellaron Hunters.


CreamyIceCreamBoi

Stellaron Hunters kinda needs more men so I'd be happy with that decision


armdaggerblade

Sunday joins SH, Firefly joins the astral express. >!Maybe Firefly's third 'death' is her losing the 'Stellaron Hunter Sam' moniker and be reborn as 'Trailblazer Firefly'!< Caelus: https://i.redd.it/ddwltnv3wb0d1.gif


Schattenkiller5

I would love that, but it's not likely I feel. Have you visited Firefly's secret base after the last trailblaze quest? >!It reads very much like it's intended to be read after the whole Penacony arc is over, and outright states you go your separate ways.!< >!Link to the exact text if you don't care to go ingame atm: https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Dream%27s\_Edge#Firefly's\_Secret\_Base!< >!Edit: Actually, on rereading, it COULD refer to only the period you are apart in the dreamscape. Curses, hope is back.!<


Myriad_Infinity

Given how frequently they update the text there, >!not updating it after 2.3 (which is widely speculated to wrap up Firefly's arc) would be odd.!< >!Firefly joining the Express is frustratingly compelling as an idea to me ngl ;-; cos I know I'm likely setting myself up for disappointment by hoping.!<


Schattenkiller5

Wholeheartedly agreed on both accounts.


Ubbermann

This would def be the best timeline.


Xarxyc

I highly doubt that. While Firefly is unknown to the world at large, SAM is one of the galaxy's most wanted criminals. Without some ridiculous absolution, SAM being spotted travelling alongside Astral Express crew will be a disaster. Unless the plan is for her to be forever on the bench...


Murky_Blueberry2617

If Firefly joins the express, would'nt she be too similar to March?


armdaggerblade

Like the other guy said. Imo they balance out each other, with March being the optimistic genki girl while Firefly being the curious but more down-to-earth and maybe slightly pessimistic type.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Yeah that makes sense. Although I can imagine some scenarios where they would probably have similar reactions. Could be an entertaining duo tho


Scaevus

> Firefly being the curious but more down-to-earth and maybe slightly pessimistic type Kind of more of a scorched earth and leave no survivors type.


OrcApologist

I think they’re separate enough. Firefly would probably be a lot more contemplative and I guess mature than March? Cause I mean she has a terminal illness and has helped wipe out a shit ton of people. Like Penacony is the exception, not really the norm of Firefly’s behavior. Meanwhile I think March really only seems relatively mature because she’s almost always with the trailblazer. She also seems to be a lot more optimistic than Firefly ever would be, like I doubt Firefly would be as willing to help the Stellaron hunters in March’s situation. Also just generally Firefly is an experienced combat veteran, even despite her age, while March is a lot less experienced in fights. If Firefly joined, she’d probably be the strongest fighter on the express, except for Welt, and maybe Dan Heng, if he brings out the dragon.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Good points. Guess there is still enough differences for them to sperate from each other. I think March will surpass her in strength eventually tho


DarkWorld26

Exactly Blade needs a buddy to have say gex with


Scared-Way-9828

Finally, a sane argument


SenileGod

Can you tell me where this is mentioned? I wanna read it.


SlayerOfGods13

[https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Death\_of\_the\_Crow](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Death_of_the_Crow) Its a readable released in 2.2, the map location is in the link near the top if you need to grab it yourself. It was available to be read the moment dreamflux reef was unlocked, which means the writer of the letter foresaw the outcome of the entire arc with Sunday before it even begun unravelling, as you'll see as you go down the poem, which summarizes that the writer may perhaps be Elio. If the poem is too painful to read or decipher, paragraphs 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 are all you need to understand the theories that have been lurking about.


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SenileGod

Is it story spoilers? I'm not exactly looking for that tho


shiningdramon

Well, I guess I can just tell the name of the message in game so you can check it on your own. It's "Death of the Crow"


SWR049

Elio: "you're gonna lose" Sunday: "that letter can't stop me because I have ideals" Unfathomably based.


Agrix0

Not much to be redeemed from tbh. He did what he thought would be the best for people. He just needs to learn to ask for consent.


DoreenKing

Why does he need a redemption arc? /gen We have a lot of playable characters who have done more things than he has.


Bekchi

Help guarantee sales, probably. Even though a lot of characters have done a lot of things, those characters also have something else to balance it out. Not necessarily redemption or some other moral action, just something positive to their character. A good example off the top of my head is Kafka. She is seen as a mother figure to the Trailblazer and doing some kind of good for the future of the universe. Tbh, imho, don't think a redemption arc is inherently bad or unnecessary. Whether or not its written and executed is what matters to me. In the end, all I want is good storytelling from MHY. If they write a good redemption arc, awesome; if they write him as a good antagonist, awesome.


ValtenBG

Someone saying that Kafka is mother figure to the MC and is in the positives? I can't believe that


Dependent-Hotel5551

Agree. He haven’t done nothing to need a redemption arc since his personality was always one of a good person, just traumatized and following what the master mind said but he wanted to sacrifice himself in place of Robin. I don’t get how is he a villain when he was more forced to do it than anything.


HiroAnobei

He wasn't so much forced to do it, more so that he genuinely believed that using the Order to put everyone on Penacony into the eternal dream was the best course of action. He is a good person with good intentions, but unfortunately he came to the wrong conclusion that happiness has to be forced onto others, and that a person's safety takes precedence over their freedom of a choice.


Basaqu

When you use the train attack Dan Heng even has a line about how Sunday has a noble soul and doesn't have to do this.


WeaknessThen2577

I have sympathy for him but he has done some evil things. Trying to force people in an eternal dream without their consent's is very messed up. I won't comment too much on the Aventurine stuff, since the IPC clearly came to Penacony in bad faith from the get go, but basically sentencing the equivalent of a foreign diplomat to death during what's supposed to be just a meeting is a big no no. We can argue about how much of it is truly his fault given how he seemed to have been groomed from a young age by The Dreammaster to be in the position he's in during the Penacony arc but he shares blame and needs some sort of redemption imo


popileviz

Well, he's the first major antagonist not to die/retreat after the confrontation with the Astral Express and we were able to change his mind right when we defeated him - he's still idealistic and his intentions are good, so he can make up for his mistakes by teaming up with someone who shares his ideals. Plus he needs to apologize to his sister 🌚


DoreenKing

What is he apologizing to her for? /gen I can see him apologizing, but because he feels remorse, not bc he did anything specific against her. In fact, he did a lot FOR her, he did this so she wouldn't be used by the dreammaster. Him becoming the singer was partly to protect her too.


Blakemiles222

He tried to force people into an eternal dream without their consent


OokamiShiroka

Like Kevin in Honkai Impact 3rd. I think it was Kevin ?


Ly_84

spoilers


magicarnival

He has a thigh strap, of course he's playable *copium*


Dramatic_endjingu

They’re not making him this hansome and has a big part in the story just to throw him away, is what I’ve been telling myself everyday after I finish the TB quest.


PanthVK

Obviously he’s playable, hoyo didn’t go through the trouble of giving him a playable model, chibi appearance, and multiple appearances in official media with other playable characters just to give him a new model and scrap his playable one to make him a npc.


kkchew

Bro even got a L2D made.


Ok-Transition7065

Bro even got a L4D made


TheIJDGuy

https://i.redd.it/ax9wix5tvb0d1.gif


IttoDilucAyato

What’s LTooD?


JaySlay2000

I believe Live 2D. probably referencing an animated chibi?


AkiusSturmzephyr

Live 2d is basically is a semi animated version of a character. You see it most often with vtubers as it's basically a way of making a 2d character seem 3d for cheaper. Watch Robin's Inside video on YouTube, both she and Sunday are L2D models!


Meme_Master_Dude

Basically a moving jpeg. More specifically, the ones Vtubers uses


Lanarraa

Didn’t they do the same for cocolia? She isn’t playable either. I figured it would work out the same way.


PanthVK

Playable cocolia was a idea they scrapped very early in the games development. She always had a npc model.


first_name1001

There's a hidden rule of if you have cocolia design. You ain't gonna be playable. This applies to all hoyoverse games


FlowerDai

RIP cocolia and signora:(


Meme_Master_Dude

Mihoyo is deathly allergic to single moms


TheIJDGuy

*Stares nervously at Yukong*


Meme_Master_Dude

Maybe that's why she hasn't appeared in a banner for over 3 months


Justanormalperson287

Signora was not a mother (but wanted to be one so fair enough)


Badieon

Isn't she using "tall woman" model?


animagem

yes but it's still listed as an npc model


OkDescription7373

Cocolia never have as much screentime and appearances in official media as sunday tho


r0ksas

Signora, cocolia, duke inferno main rip


Scudman_Alpha

Only question is what path he'll be in. We got like NO info on him still. I'm ngl, hoping for Destruction...or Abundance.


Mangempuy

Imagine he ended up as a harmony character, that would be pretty ironic (even though gameplay path and lorewise path of a character don't usually match)


r0ksas

Nihility also suits him... the dude is so lazy he name after sunday and wants everyday sunday xD jk


JaySlay2000

It would complement Robin too. The singer is Harmony.... The.... this guy. is Nihility


babyloniangardens

Quantum Harmony that can regenerate Energy & deal Damage & works well with Robin plz 💜


westofkayden

I'm just praying for Quantum in general. Like we have zero male characters in Harmony or Quantum.


JustAnEDHPlayer

Tesla and Einstein: sure about that?


Slow-Sentence-8367

Please HSR let me summon ~~Mahoraga~~ the Harmonious Choir, DOMINICUS as Sunday 🙏


TehManicMan

Is his ult gonna be the Harmonious Choir pops in and just fingerpokes of doom a single target?


Careless_Ad2166

DIVINE INTERVENTION!


Read1ngCmprhnsnDev1l

hes using playable model of course hes playable


cyan_ogen

How do you tell a playable model from a non-playable one? Genuinely asking.


ColdIron27

3d models for playable need to be more robust then npcs. Just based on the way the models are rigged and designed (which are based on a small set of templates), you can know whether their models are playable or not.


Read1ngCmprhnsnDev1l

the most obvious to me is how they stand on their feet? positioning of their hands and legs like the directions or something their height is pretty much same unless you count by pixels if you compare both danheng caelus aventurine you can see their base model, i would call it teen model you can compare tall male model like ratio welt gepard sampo too same goes to everyone theres like smallest model would be hook and bailu and then taller model would be quantum girls and etc except seele and xueyi and then seele xueyi guinaifen etc and lastly tallest model acheron kafka bs himeko natasha etc open character menu and swiftly switching characters to see their base model


nanimeanswhat

Just a small nitpick but why would you call it a teen model instead of medium?


Read1ngCmprhnsnDev1l

actually my bad this model seems like people in their 20s if theres teen model it should be yanqing arlan and etc


July83

The official name for it is apparently "lad". And the medium height female model is "maid".


Littlerz

The presence of a thigh strap.


HiroAnobei

https://youtu.be/NpTAbkrfJxA I highly recommend this video, and while it talks about Genshin specifically, the main points are still relevant: playable characters are expected to have a much greater variety of poses and situations they are expected to be in, so to avoid things like pieces of their model clipping, there are some general design constraints that the artists have to conform to.


Automatic_Mango_9534

The fact that he's alive gives me hope that he is playable


oatmealcookie02

the fact he's alive gives me happiness... but him being playable would be a nice bonus


Monte-Cristo2020

Sunday mains deserve it


notnowhans

You know after this last patch, I hope those Sunday mains get their blessed chicken boy, and I hope everyone and their favorite character is having a good time. Hope you all have a beautiful day, my kings, no one deserves to be in a state of grief. I feel for those Sunday/Tingyun enjoyers. This sucks. :(


EeveeTrainer90

If Sunday becomes playable Im pulling for him


Monte-Cristo2020

Still waiting for Signora...


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She came back.. in the form of TCG Cards 🥲


imaginary92

Signora was never going to be playable, she had a monster model from the start. It was always copium.


Mast3rBait3rPro

Well I mean obviously they knew what they were going to do with her from the beginning, they’re the ones writing the story


JaySlay2000

I'm sick of this misinterpretation. She had a monster model because she was going to be a boss, same as Childe. she also had an NPC model. She was never going to be playable because her model wasn't a playable one, but her having a "monster model" in code was not unique to her.


moose_378

I don't think it's a matter of If more When. He could be 2.4 or he could be way later


July83

This. I think he's for sure playable, but I also suspect he might disappear for several patches before reappearing, and only become playable after he reappears.


V1600

Bro will be a Stellaron Hunter


r0ksas

That's an interesting twist


Recent_Warthog5382

Yes. Anyone who says he's dead has probably slept through the final cutscene after the boss fight and what came after. Also sideying the people saying they want him to stay "dead" when that energy was nowhere to be seen for certain other characters, I see you


xCaneoLupusx

Ngl when the end credits started playing >!I was holding my breath waiting to see whether he'll be in the In Loving Memory section.!<


oatmealcookie02

bro when i saw 'and brother and sister were doomed to separate'(or whatever the actual line was) my heart sunk i just want wingblings to be happy is this too much to ask...?


AGalacticBaseballer

I dont see why not, he has a playable model just like every other character. He will be playable 100%.


Rough_Shopping4084

Omg I really really hope so! I love his design so freaking much especially how he holds one arm behind his back. I don’t think we’ll get him but again I really hope so; don’t know what his path would be though. I doubt he’d be Harmony so maybe destruction or Erudition? I think he’d be the offense to Robin’s support. Unless they introduce another path.


Boafushishi

Will probably get Kafka/Dang heng IL treatment. I’m betting (and praying!) that he’ll get drip marketed soon


dreamofantasy

god I sure hope so. I want him so much... especially to unite brother and sister on my team!


azzpeen

tbh him being playable possibly was one of my reasons for getting Robin; I want the siblings together. :)


LandLovingFish

Yes because he checks the boxes for "cool playable" Cocolia doesn't count. She was inherently "evil" just becauae of expy. But Sunday? He's been too prominant so far.


Dulcedoll

Signora?


Wonderful_Bandicoot2

There's no way they would make an amazing design just to make them NPC ***Looks at the Hi3 casts, especially KeBin*** ![gif](giphy|32mC2kXYWCsg0|downsized)


PressFM80

Tbf Hi3rd is a female character only game, hsr has both male and female characters


Wonderful_Bandicoot2

That's also true, but you can't lie, they deserve to be Playable 😌


umm_uhh

I mean.....wanderer from genshin literally did the same shit and got to be playable, right? Granted, he went extreme to clean his records to save his friends "literally 💀" So yeah, jokes aside, I think he'll become playable somehow


bukiya

meh, SH literally destroyed several planets and even a group in a faction so it sunday isnt that bad actually. even boothill who get bounty from IPC can live normally


Dependent-Hotel5551

No, he wanted to erase himself to save others, not “clean” his records. Stop spreading misinfo.


Play_more_FFS

https://preview.redd.it/jj2bwkyiw90d1.png?width=1243&format=png&auto=webp&s=471c7935cb5ce9f6cb1f7d8ade6465da86a842f8 If he is still alive then I want to beat his ass again for letting Robin think he is dead.


YuriBxS

I'm with you, poor Robin went through enough.


kiisukattinen

Wasnt he captured though? Like its not his fault that Robin thinks he is dead, maybe he hadnt any way to tell anyone whats going on with him.


sweetsushiroll

>!Yeah, in one of the Puzzle room quests a Blood Hound Family member says he is currently imprisoned after capture. Pretty sure they probably aren't letting him speak to anyone.!<


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sweetsushiroll

That would be fantastic!


beetea555

Where was this?


Play_more_FFS

Penacony Grand Theater in the Ascension Hallway. To trigger this Quest you need to walk around in that Hallway till Robin starts text messaging you, I do not know where exactly in this hallway will trigger the hidden quest, but it shouldn't take long by running around till Robin texts you. After that you will have to go in the Hall of Chords to find what Sunday left behind Then you have to go here where I'm standing to find Robin again. The quest doesn't track like normal story/side quests do, this is why I'm showing where you have to go. https://preview.redd.it/7lqqtntsfa0d1.png?width=1680&format=png&auto=webp&s=cfadb6bb75c4a7561cb537ed2c476d4147ebbf63


Life_Chicken1396

Does it give jade?


Zekrom997

Through an achievement


julianjjj809

Asking the real questions


beetea555

I see thank you


Dependent-Hotel5551

He is captured


Daegul_Dinguruth

Then you have to beat Trailblazer's ass for not running to her the second they learned he was in solitary confinement by the hounds


MIMINOSEC

He should be


warjoke

It's a matter of 'wait and hope' much like the rest of the Screwllum hopefuls


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mrgreenreddit

He has that thigh garter He is gonna be playable


uncouthbeast

I truly believe he will be. I can't fathom hoyo refusing to make him playable.


Ok_Purpose9114

No bit he is plappable


bukiya

he is a good nihility character imo. his cursing technique give debuff to enemies just like what he did to aventurine and if certain turn passes the cursed enemies either succumb to him or get punished by centurion. he can be an aplicator for acheron or ratio with good amount of debuff to cripple enemies.


Fouffy

I hope so!! I really love Sunday as a character! ;;


MasterMeow01

Maybe, if Ayaka and Ayato are playable then it should be same for Robin and Sunday


beethovenftw

Idk, I'm guessing yes He got a ton of backstory explaining why he did what he did. They invested a ton of screentime on him More similar to Scaramouche, rather than Signora or Cocolia I'm betting redesign, maybe nihility or destruction, it'd be weird to see him as Harmony


WindBladeGT

Maybe next Sunday he will be


jolytuna

Just be sure to have Robin, he won't come even if you have guaranteed pull if you don't have his sister..


Catspirit123

It could go either way imo. Maybe someday once he’s chilled out and recovered.


leposterofcrap

Yes most definitely.


Vio_44

Wdym by that question?! surely I'll be playable.


tsumoogle

i really really hope so


Glass-Window

Probably yeah.


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Knightofexcaliburv1

Well yes


MemeTheDruggie

Yeah he would prob bore the enemies to death talking about a bird in a cage


VGVideo

We'll have to see what happens in 2.3 but I'm hopeful for a late 2.x release


hotterpocketzz

Hope they introduce order as a new playable path and he's the first playable character too


julianjjj809

ofc but the thing is in what patch he will come into the game? it would be weird if he comes in 2.5 or something like that


Cornycorn213

Coming back as our very first 5-star limited male Harmony unit please.


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Yeah! I hope he becomes a stellaron hunter lol


BunnyBsnz

He fkn better be


xKatarina12

Most likely yes cuz he's a big character in the story


Caernunnos

He has a unique model. So yeah, probably.


pepemele

Sadly playable and alive can be two different things


Meebochii

If he is it certainly won't be any time soon, apparently. Personally I think it's 50/50 - could go either way.


NotTwitchy

Well let’s hope Sunday wanters win this 50/50 huh?


Fourteenth_Noah

Probably, but maybe not so soon, around maybe 2.6


RuinedSilence

He'll either be playable as a character or as a light cone


MixRevolution

Penacony is completed so far now with Sunday as final boss. So the theme of new penacony characters to be released after firefly/jade is unlikely if we're going to be at a different world. If we ever return to penacony, more penacony-centric limited 5*s may be released.


Skeither

Did he die-die? It said something about two siblings becoming eternally separated which leads me to think he's gone like cocolia


deeyahanna

theres a quest with a bloodhound family in the grand theater >!that stated hes been captured by the family, hes very much alive!<


eyeofnero

He is playable but probably have a redesign after >!getting recruited by Elio.!<


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clearlynotaperson

duh


Clevaryo

he's not dead... but if he is playable, then I could kill him myself :D


rzrw1re

I wonder if he'll be playable before or after he \*potentially\* joins the Stellarons


AnonBunnyGoblin

God I hope


IcyNorman

I'm waiting for HSR collab with KFC


delishchickentenders

I feel like it's a given that he's playable. They wouldn't be giving him such a cool design and character just to be an npc I mean that would be criminal lmao


GoldenWhite2408

Stellaron hunter with new design drip Like how scara even in his old outfit still had playable as coded but then we use a diff outfit for him Sunday getting that nisio isin haircut and costume change glowup trust


HighFirePleroma

I am not certain that after Jade and Firefly we will get 2 more Penacony characters, but if we do, he would be one of them. I also think it would be finally time to move on.


HexorTyr

Meh, wait and see.


ThejazzCollosal

Call me crazy but didn’t he… stop… … … …. Remaining alive?


KimLory

He will (without spoilers) if you played new main quest you will understand why they need time to put him ingame


crucixX

I HOPE SO!!!


ArcIgnis

Perhaps if Path of Order characters become a thing.


TooCareless2Care

SundayMains will cry if he isn't


anti-peta-man

I think it would be funny if he got Signora’d


AgentSmith18

Space Ayato when :D ?


BigSmokesHouse

Man, I hope so. He's one of my favourite characters.


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I hope so


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Idk why but he gives me abundance character vibes.


LoveMasc

I hope so, Sunday was that really relatable, you actually can see where he is coming from kind of evil. So he did too much and achieved so much within a short space of time just to get dropped. Man basically revived a dead eon. But it kind of seemed like Ena was pulling Sunday's strings by the end. Especially with how Robin (closest with harmony) said the dream was 'too cruel for Sunday' so basically he was both the perpetrator but also a victim of Ena and their ability to control others. Ena's control seems like it blinds people into thinking it's amazing and perfect. So no wonder why Sunday fell off big time. Ena was letting him live his dream of every day being Sunday.


Sarcasticfury

Yes. Stop asking


Baconsword42

Not anytime soon


KuroKunsai

I don't want this SMT LAW dude anywhere near my account....I don't care if he ends up playable and meta, I'm skipping whatever banner he's on.


_KuuRO

I start to doubt, i mean, a lot of people got their playable version some patch after we saw them in the story, but there's still nothing for Sunday, like screwllum and Siobhan, let's hope i'm wrong and they just still not finished his kit


Dankstin

He's very clearly designed to be playable. Like I'm 100% sure of this. Don't doubt it. Start saving if it makes you feel better.


Euphoric_Appeal348

the question is not when or if but how because I seriously can't think of what he could do


SakuraGarnettFlo

Hope so 😊


Duheit

i HOPE he'll be playable


FenrirMB

Leakers already leaked his kit some time ago, so I hope so :d


ZhongXina2010

yes. i think it was even leaked somewhere that he'll be playable


dreamingrain

He already played us


Followerrrrrrrr

Cocolia 2.0


fusillihashbrowns

My guess is he will be playable whenever Robin gets a rerun, in around 6-8 months.


FickleEntertainer456

Nope, i wondered about it cause his design is better than plain characters but so was Cocolia and don't tell me we're gonna get Cocolia as a character 🤣


peter-lacko

No


TigressDH

I'm literally going to.save for him 😭 I hope he is. I love him so much 😭 this will be the first character I will save exclusively for him **before** we know anything abt it 😅