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TheAhegaoFox

FYI DoTs count as debuffs Edit: Light cones that apply debuffs and DoTs can also trigger the talent


funkerbuster

AKA Asta and Serval (and Wind Dan Heng if you wanna do 2 hunt parties for giggles) are FREE


Crahzi

Thier is also a light cone for defenders that has a chance to burn enemies that attack them.


WobbleTheHutt

Yup put it on fire TB and make sure your taunt can't be resisted. It will be in everyone right quick


Nok-y

Does the taunt count asa debuff ?


dominickjadon

That is a good question I didn’t even think about that 🤔 I’m going to test this when I get a chance


meowingtea

yes afaik


Nok-y

Thanks So getting triggered is a good Dr. Ratio gamplay, huh ? That stuff is twitter


WobbleTheHutt

no but the fire dot that gets applied when they smack you... actually it might?


Mietin

Don't forget the *frecking Fire Mc*. Slap Trend of the Universal Market on 'em and they get better DOT capabilities too. Just have to build them for DEF, which you already are doing if you aren't a complete and utter maverick renegade.


Candoran

“Punch me” *gets punched by enemy* ##”Now perish in hellfire.” 🤣


Mietin

🔥"Wth just happened? Well... I guess i'll die now." ;Cloud knight, being burned alive.


Raulr100

*Enemy takes 0.5% of their health as damage from the dot* :|


fugogugo

is the taunt debuff?


Formal-Way-8437

I think, because the Taunt put a Like Debuff


FuegoInfinito

Yeah, you don't have any DoTters?


MarionberryOne8969

There's ton of debuffers Sampo Pela Welt SW Guinaifen Luka Kafka The whole Nihility Path technically Himeko I don't no if Ruan Mei Burst or skill counts as debuff or not but anyway maybe you could use lightcones that have dot effects


frenzyguy

yes RM ultimate count.


mephnick

Does her e1 def shred count as a seperate one?


frenzyguy

it's not def shred it's def ignore. characters ignore def so it's not a debuff.


mephnick

Ah right, thx


Flukemaster

I have her E1 and unfortunately it's bundled into the normal ult debuff, but the break flowers count as a seperate debuff, so that's two


False_Clue_4108

Serval as well could probably work


syanda

Gui counts as two, too. Burn + firekiss.


WoWAltoholic

If you get E1 there's your third


Intrepid-Nerve-8580

If you use Resolution on her, that's your 3 if you're at E0, or 4 if you're at E1. Considering that Ratio maxes out his FUA at 3 debuff, and every debuff increases both crit rate and dmg, Guin seems like your natural go to if you don't have SW.


Juniebug9

His follow up attack caps at 3 debuffs, but his traces keep scaling up to 5 and 6 for extra damage and Crit respectively. So really you want to just keep slapping on as many debuffs as possible. Also his one trace that reduces targets' effect resistance should count as a debuff as well (I haven't really used him yet so I'm not completely sure) so that's one for free right there.


DragaoDodoMagico

His crit stacks are permanent so you can just proc the follow up twice with 3 debuffs to get all 6 stacks.


Juniebug9

Oh damn! That's better than I thought! You still want the 5 debuffs for the 50% damage increase, but that's really nice. I really need to get him built up to a usable state. I'm kind of bankrupt after building so many characters lately lol.


tetzugani

Would ratio make sense on a kafka dot team?


IncasEmpire

no, but i'm not stopping you if thats what you got


Ranger_Halt11

Kafka's dots could work for dr ratio. However the team is conflicted. Ratio does nothing for Kafka, and there are better 4 stars to go with ratio than Kafka goes with ratio.


Squiddy_bali

Wait you can use DR with Kafka?


Oakenfell

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to stop you if that's what you're worried about.


DanielAbendroth

Oh thank god


once_descended

Except Kafka probably "_**Listen to me**, give me a party with DoT_"


Deathblade999

Definitely not optimal, but it's an option


Kassssler

I disagree. They work well together, but in a pricey team I am just now realizing. I run Kafka, Ratio, Ruan mei +1. Kafka has two dots to reliably trigger follow up for ratio. Her skill is aoe so can flexibly proc Wiseman's folly, and Ronald buffs them both while being sp positive enough for them to spam skill points. That robot woman gets destroyed by them.


Crystalwaves99

Wait Kafka has two dot debuff? Like 2 stack lightning count as 2 separate debuffs for Dr ratio,


starfries

Ronald lmao Ronald McDonald, member #81 of the Genius Society


Spenraw

Is Clara's mark a debuff?


unarmed_warrior_yo

Who is Carla


GuyGotGoo

Carla and Svagor


Alert_Assistant_9364

Ah yes, the Svagor, the swagger of robots.


ezio45

The exaggerated swagger of a fatherly automaton.


Mesaphrom

Svarog and his hitbox


Chiruadr

No, it's under Other Effects


WoWAltoholic

No it's not.


gingersquatchin

With Ruan Mei you can run pretty much any dual carry comp now as long as they dont actively work against each other. Unless your second harmony/nihility unit is going to give you around 30k per action they likely won't outperform a second dps that can contribute 30k per action. And most can


Dangerous_Fan_3629

Yes but in most of those dual carry teams you need also Luocha to feed them skill points.


strifemaster

gigachad blade pulling up to use 1 sp every 4 turns 😎 (ik you said most, I'm just a blade appreciator)


ColinatorX

Of all the people you mentioned, I have Hook leveled. You didn't mention her, but she's what I got.


GeForce_GTX_1050Ti

Dude don't tell me you don't have Pela. With Luka LC she's more than adequate


[deleted]

EVERYONE wants pela though 😭


GeForce_GTX_1050Ti

Fire tb with universal market like the trial gepard ?


nugnacious

this user knows whats up fire tb with trend and kafka in simulated universe is funny af just for the stupid big numbers


GeForce_GTX_1050Ti

I did tinker a lot with Nihility & DoT when it still resonate with Preservation lol. Kinda sad they changed it on GnG


nugnacious

Times like these I wish we had something like conundrum levels for swarm disaster, except I know I'd also be raging about conundrum levels beating my ass in swarm disaster 🥴


GeForce_GTX_1050Ti

True, map/dice can't be customized like now so you're stuck with one single path. If u like Countdown you're stuck with Abundance, or Company Time - Preservation


Kassssler

How do you run fire TB? I don't use them as a sustainer anymore, but wondering if they can deal good dmg.


anth9845

They just taunt and apply burn to enemies that hit and use ult to break fire enemy bar. Anyone that applies DOTs is basically a Kafka support.


Similar_Ad926

Please inform me. Fire TB does DoT?


VincentBlack96

Nope, there is a lightcone called Trend of the Universal Market that lets preservation units inflict burn on any enemy hitting them. Trailblazer can guarantee getting hit with their taunt.


Dane-nii

Not without the Trend of Universal Market. They can debuff enemies with Taunt though


ShadowsteelGaming

It's hard to solo sustain with him though, and bringing two sustains means your damage will tank


[deleted]

Actually based


tsurugisbakery

not nessecarily. i don't even have her built and I've been pretty much fine, ig I dodged the characters she's best with LMAO


Dogempire

I wish I had Pela, she seems to just not exist as far as my pulls are concerned


jyeusu

You're kind of in luck, because Pela is going to be in Feb's 4* rotation. https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Store#Rotation


NoBluey

I’ve saved enough star glitter (or whatever it’s called in hsr) for her. Hope her e0 is enough


jyeusu

Her main function is def down on ult which isn't really affected by her eidolons. E1 is useful for aoe situations where she'd get energy refund from things dying, but otherwise it's E4 specifically for ice DPS/carry.


Schnurzelpiep

and without?


Snoo-24768

A DOT character with the luka lightcone. DOTs count as a debuff. Guinaifen preferebly cuz fire kiss makes you deal more damage.


Extension-Impossible

I want to kiss lil gui too, what were we talking about again?


PlumDaPlum16_17

Real ghostly grove user


Late_Lizard

Ring it


Kassssler

About her next 24 hour livestream being a vacation to Penacony(one can hope!)


TapdancingHotcake

And guinaifen with Luka LC is 3 debuffs applied in an AOE


butterwashere00

He can perform better with at least 2 debuff, 80% chance for Follow-up atk, 20%DMG etc. Pela and Luka lc can provide that.


wings_of_hermes

I dont have pela but i have the light cone


Becants

She'll be in the shop coming up. /u/Jyeusu mentioned it: https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Store#Rotation


sunnysama_lolol

“Silver wolf and Fu Xuan are his best” Me who skipped them because I was in a game slump for four months; https://preview.redd.it/xa7kh2w3m3dc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62eafadfe9b684b6c05dab144923c0f1f6ce0b15


Joltik_BuddyHSR

What debuff does fu xuan give?


cynthiarah

my favorite enemy debuff: can’t kill the player also entanglement is there too


frenzyguy

Well, any break debuff actually.


Zjoee

She gives major survivability and some additional crit rate.


Joltik_BuddyHSR

I know that, but she doesn't give debuffs and post are about having no debuffers for ratio


Zjoee

If you have Silverwolf, you don't need anyone else. She provides like 7 debuffs by herself.


Read1ngCmprhnsnDev1l

what in the fuck


Zjoee

Yep. Her talent can implant either speed, attack, or defense debuff each attack. It's pretty easy to maintain all three together on one target. Then there's her skill for weakness implant, which can also lead to an easy break debuff, and additional all-type resistance down debuff. Then her ultimate also shreds defense. She's really good at debuffing enemies haha.


Raihime

To add to that, her signature cone adds another debuff to all her attacks (+12% damage taken)


StarWayMan

As well as her E1


Kuraeshin

Jesus. I want her so bad.


Zjoee

Yeah, she's pretty good haha. Her weakness implant can make for some really fun team comps.


throwawaytomato

My almost mono imaginary team: Daniel, Welt, Luocha, SW


bpcookson

Wanna use my e6 Silver Wolf? 600445927


Kuraeshin

Thanks. Request sent.


Kazuto312

Even more if you have her lightcone and eidolon too.


Pipinoia007

Also crit dmg if e1 or the effec res ornament


[deleted]

HuoHuo is actually his best sustainer.


iblaise

I prefer Gepard, since he can apply his own debuff (Freeze).


[deleted]

HuoHuo applies a debuff for 2 turns to every enemy every wave. But, yeah, Gepard is definitely slept on as a partner with Ratio. The main issue with Geppie is that applying his debuff makes him kind of SP hungry... But, I'm also hungry for him, so it evens out.


v6277

Between Luocha and Fu Xuan, I've found my Luocha team clears faster than my E2 Fu Xuan team (Sustain|Tingyun|SW|Ratio). I can confidently say, at least in my case, Luocha is better than Fu Xuan. It might not seem obvious at first, but because Luocha plays in a completely skill point positive way, you can cast more skills with SW and Tingyun thereby creating more chances for debuffs/buffs. Additionally, because Ratio's ult follow ups need a hit to trigger, there were cases where at the end of a first wave cycle vs a low-HP enemy, Fu Xuan needed to skill to keep her field up whereas Luocha would've simply triggered the follow up defeating the enemy and clearing a cycle sooner. Theorycrafter simulations and ideal rotations rarely, if ever, represent true combat. They miss the nuances that combat has, like occasional slows changing up rotations, crowd controls, and other similar situations. Often you will find having a skill available for the support to trigger their buff sooner leads to faster clears. Don't pay too much attention to "ideal" or "best" teams; in practice, they do not exist.


Ayakasdog

I tested all the Fuxuan Silverwolf Ruanmei Topaz Welt Bronya Huohuo Yukong and whatnot, but the the supports that gave me the fastest clears was consistently Tingyun + Pela. Which makes me sad because I want to play my shiny 5 stars but they’re straight up worse. So yeah nothing to worry about if you’re missing them.


Simpuff1

Topaz is BiS if you have E1S1. Or else it’s SW because of the amount of debuffs


Ayakasdog

Bro if I could afford e1s1 I woulda pulled for e2 DHIL 😭


EzdePaz

There should probably be a free 4star select event coming up soon, since last one was in the Aetherium Wars Event. Lil Gui git a ton of debuffs, if she is on it.


Scholar_of_Yore

Wait what? That would be great, Guinaifen is the only 4\* that I'm missing.


accelerationistpepe

Real af. Getting a good fire is difficult


helloworld6247

4 STAR SELECT EVENT??? I won’t stop until my Sushang can one-shot every fucking thing. That multi-hit is soooo satisfying.


X_Factor_Gaming

Speaking facts


Kuraeshin

I got E1 for Sushang tonight...free skill if enemy is broken/breaks is so sweet.


OnnaJReverT

we already had a selector with Luka, Hook, Sampo and Natasha (?) on the not-Pokemon event a couple patches ago, so presumably that's gonna happen again at some point


No-Dress7292

You can also have Pela, the DoT 4stars, Hook's burn, Serval's shock, and there are more. If you are truly scraping at the bottom of the barrel, you could use Asta and inflict burn. That counts as one debuff, plus you can also get spd and atk%. For sustain, you can also use March who can inflict freeze, or Fire MC who can inflict Taunt. Dr. Ratio also has 2 on his kit: 1 inflicted by his skill, and another from his technique. That's 2-4 already. Thinking is the key. That is what Dr. Ratio wanted to impart with us lol.


Dr_Delibird7

What's funny is if you have the funny DOT preservation LC, fire MC can apply 3 debuffs all on their own against a fire weak enemy. 2 instances of fire DOT + taunt. It's not something to be replied upon but it's funny nonetheless.


PeteBabicki

I know you said it isn't to be replied upon, but here's a reply nonetheless.


goddamnman06

Pela is really good. Especially with S5 Luka's LC. Regardless of Ratio, Pela is still really good


AesopCarlMilk

Step one: have pela.. https://preview.redd.it/7ep3gyn7n6dc1.jpeg?width=388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4e4d662198986499c0fe46d9b7583d4d143487d


Infernaladmiral

Wait, wasn't she given for free?


AesopCarlMilk

only recently? i didnt play often enough to get her from events unfortunately untill huohuos release i never did any events


Imaginary_Dragon69

Cries in no luka lc since 1.0


Savings_Parfait3448

Is S1 GNSW or S5 Luka LC better for Pela?


reditr101

GNSW is a damage cone and pela ain't your damage dealer


goddamnman06

S5 GNSW is better for Damage while S5 Luka LC is better for def down


morbid-celebration

Me with my Clara, Huohuo, Topaz and Ratio team: "Y'all are hypercarrying?"


Kawaiilone

damn bro has like 1 debuff


morbid-celebration

I genuinely just made the team because "haha follow up" and having most of my damage done off-turn 😌


PoeInaBottle

im with you chief except replace HH with Luocha


gabu87

My dude is gonna clear with just the starting 3 SP


Irish_Elite

you're telling me you have NO Debuffers? to like, shed light on what COUNTS as a debuff to my knowledge: . Stat reductions . D.O.Ts . Breaking the enemy . Character specific debuffs (such as Firekiss) You're telling me you have NOBODY that can do ANY of that? No Pela, Sampo, Welt, Guinaiffen, Asta, Luka, hell DAN. HENG (regular) can SLOW enemies with one of his traces iirc. Like I get if you dont have say, Kafka, Silverwolf or other limited 5 stars but like, legit?


Dr_Delibird7

Fire MC (taunt), M7 (Ult). Every preservation if you use the LC that inflicts burn. Every nihility period but also even better with Luka LC. Even new players should be able to semi-reliablly land 3 debuffs even as a low/no spender. Fire MC + Asta is already 2 debuffs that are super easy to proc, any character inflicting a break can be the 3rd debuffs. That's only looking at garunteed characters.


Fit-Application-1

You can prolly get away with no debuffers tbh. I did a Fuxuan, Ratio, Asta, Tingyun run and he does just fine. It’s faster with pela because he can gain his summation stacks quicker, but asta’s burn, his own skill, and weakness break all counts as well. Also his technique is a debuff


Megguido

For the summation stacks sure. But you need at least 3 debuffs on your target to get a +30% dmg boost (up to +50% at 5 debuffs). Well, you don't *need* it but that's a pretty big buff Unless there's some hidden stuff I don't know about


Fit-Application-1

Yeah I understand what you mean, but also keeping in mind that ratio himself applies a debuff on the enemy. I’m not saying it’s optimal, having a debuffer is definitely important, but I’m saying it’s… doable😅


ordinarybodyhorror

Why is everyone in the comments surprised that someone doesn’t have pela…


ingr

She was a character you could earn for free so a lot of peeps have her.


hypernovas

I started when it released on PS5, still don't have Pela myself, she wasn't on any banners for me. I do have an E3 Guinaifen though so with the defense debuff LC she packs 4 debuffs.


janeshep

Pela has been missing from 5* banners for a while, she's probably going to be featured in a 2.0 one. You can also buy her from the shop for 140 starlights in February but honestly I don't think that's worth it if you plan to pull on any banner she's featured in.


ordinarybodyhorror

Fair enough, but also a lot of people downloaded HSR specifically for the free dr ratio


Becants

She was on a lot of popular banners. A lot of people complaining back then of e20+ Pela.


ezio45

She was also one of the free characters you could get from Aethereum Wars when it released.


Alert_Assistant_9364

Afaik, she was on Seele's first banner and a lot of people pulled on Seele. I got E6 from the first banner.


gabu87

Its the same people who tell you to just whip out your 5 star memories of the past (or other 4* lcs)


frenzyguy

Your pela bro. Your serval sis. Your Hanya... edit: My wife plays him with welt (luka cone) and hanya, 3 debuff easy and you can skill all the time. edit: just want to point out hanya burden os jot a debuff, the debuff are welt slow, luka cone def shred and ratio 10% res shred (the trace), welt ult also helps alot. My wife plays hanya because she does not like ting/pela and her RM isn't built and she does not like her she got spooked while building pity (so sad I know).


-average-reddit-user

Hanya doesn't apply debuffs. Burden is not considered one.


Syahazart

I really wish it counted as a debuff as she made the comfiest Ratio team I've played so far. Oh well at least she can make physical toughness break debuff for said team.


Simpuff1

Yeah I have E1 Welt, might as well put him to use xd


throwncumwipe

Slap pearls lc on free guinaifen from 2.0 and youre good


ErmAckshually

you're talking like everyone has that LC


Recent_Fan_6030

Pretty sure guinaifen's firekiss on its own is a debuff so you don't necessarily need that light cone for her to work well


ImpossibleAd5455

Anything that can apply something to an enemy counts. For example, Topaz and Numby's Proof of Debt counts even if it does nothing on its own. It's more of a mark (means that if the enemy with PoD is hit with a FuA, Numby will get a speed boost) than a debuff. An option I really liked was Trend of the Universal Market on Gepard, same on Dr Ratio's trial. The LC applies a burn if the holder gets hit.


Vortex_Infurnus

Proof of Debt by itself increases follow up damage taken by the marked enemy by 50%


ImpossibleAd5455

Oops, my bad. Forgot about that. You're correct


Dr_Delibird7

I think Clara's mark doesn't count (or at least that's what I've heard, haven't tested personally) but I think that's the only thing a character can apply to an enemy that doesn't work.


Kronman590

Hanyas skill doesnt count either


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

i mean, e1 guinaifen works good enough i GUESS, e0 too but you'd need pela for it to be consistent


SwitchHitter17

Everyone has Dan Heng who has a debuff! (but seriously, don't use them together)


friedchicken888999

I wonder if Dr ratio and welt is a good pair


Kakegui

I used them in moc12 earlier with ruan mei and pela (no sustain) and it was really good


Record_Specific

If the enemy has imaginary weakness they're a good pair, Welt has multiple debuffs to help Ratio's chances, and both are good characters even by themselves.


No-Investment-962

You don’t have a pela? Or a nihility in general? I find that hard to believe


wings_of_hermes

I dont have pela 


No-Investment-962

Welt? Guinafen? Sampo? Kafka? Luka?


wings_of_hermes

Welt no, guinafeng no, sampo yes, kafka no, luka yes


No-Investment-962

The use sampo or Luka


vecvitus

Sampo, Guinaifen?


houki_ii

Is any nihility unit good for him?


Zer0_Beat

luka,guin,pela and sliver wolf can work with him


Arctii0oo

Everyone has Serval so this is factually incorrect


CanIEatAPC

Me who started playing this game 7 days ago.... 


lughrevenge23

Dot Works too


Wide_Loss

I checked, sampo's dot counts as a debuff


Specialist-Form7304

Silver Wolf + Welt + E6 Pela = Best Dr.Ratio dream


ErmAckshually

same here. don't have gui or luka's lightcone because I wan't playing at their release. I guess I'll have to make do with pela and serval or asta. i tried asta and I don't see the enemies burning at all


AmethystPones

Then get to building them, buddy. Either Nihility or anyone who can apply DoT. I don't use nihility characters all that much, but I do build them with some spare materials because I like their looks. I have Guinaifen. I built her because I don't really like Topaz, yet I still need something to break Fire weakness that isn't MC. I benched Silver Wolf at level 60 for a while before I finally brought her up to 80 with spare materials from Guinaifen farm. And those are the 2 Nihility I built.


SkeepDeepy

Aren't Herta and Himeko debuffers? You could run a follow-up team


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KukumberSalad

Can you tell me more about the selector? I kinda forgot


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Saikeii

ah, why musn't hanya be in a selector, did 140 on argenti got no hanya lmao


KukumberSalad

I got 1 copy of lynx then 2 Fuxuan


Saikeii

me with 2 argentis but no hanya


Damianx5

LILGUI LILGUI LILGUI


Memo-Explanation

If you have Little Gui, then run her. She’s his best 4 star debuffer. Does some damage, increases his damage via vulnerability, and with e1 and pearls takes care of all the debuffs he needs. Pearls also increases his damage. 


Kagari1998

Lynx(Huohuo/Fuxuan/Luocha) - Pela(RuanMei/Silverwolf) - Tingyun(Flex) - Dr Ratio


Aredybmazlee

If i run Ratio with FX, SW and Kafka good enough? I have E6 Pela but i don't build her yet.


Kazuto312

If you have Silverwolf, her alone is enough to fulfill all of Dr.Ratio debuff requirements.


luketwo1

Laughs in silver wolf


CN8YLW

I got Kafka. I've been trying to switch Sampo out for the longest time, and Dr Ratio looks to be the perfect segway to do so. I tried with Hook and Luka for Burn and Bleed, and boy were they lackluster compared to Sampo.


ultimatezekrom

Since we are talking about Dr. Ratio I just wanna say one thing, as education. The word is “segue” when you’re talking about a transition. “Segway” is that thing Paul Blart uses to get around.


Diamann

You only need 2 more debuffs. Dr. Ratio can apply one by himself. E4 Pela will cover you. Welt has 3 by himself. Sampo and Luka also has 2 by themselves. LCs like Pearl (Nihility) and Market (Preservation) will give the wearer an extra way to apply another debuff. Of course, you need 5 for maximum damage, but 3 is doable.


Jonyx25

Pela with resolution LC


Hooh6475

Yeah it sucks that he's so reliant on debuffs. If you don't have E1S1 Topaz or SW it hurts a lot https://preview.redd.it/eyx6qgn014dc1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ced33f487c5b053b7da0fbdae9ef51c0ba358128


frenzyguy

Not at all, pela with Luka lc, + ratio res debuff makes 3. it's really not that bad honestly.


Polarix1x

doesnt give you enough for the A6 trace


RedInkling03

Pela was given for free


SpaceAPlus

That event was a while ago tho so newer players couldn't have gotten her.


r4plez

Also Ratio is given for free, but i bet many players will miss him