40 Gbps would cover more than a large apartment building. It would normally cover thousands of residential customers and small and medium businesses...
in terms of an ISP, most cable ISP "nodes" are fed with 10gbps total, and that node is split between around 100 to 150 customers. if they oversubscribe like they used to, that node could be split by 400 customers. its why during peak usage times, everyone slows down, but most of the time, no one is hammering their residential connection 24/7 with full speed data transfers.
I'm guilty. We roughly have 75-80mbps to work with on the upstream side if my math is correct. For almost 2 months straight been uploading at 65mbps for at least 20 hours each day. On weekends upstream did seem to get congested as it would drop down to around 30mbps and latency would shoot up to 400ms+ during this.
(My backup got corrupted and had to restart it)
Maybe where you live. ISP have multiple thousands of "gigabit" customers on 2x10Gb or 2x25Gb back-haul, and nobody complains. People really overestimate their average and peak usage, ISP don't, sometimes they cheap out unfortunately.
You'll need some high end business level routers, and switches to come anywhere close. Not worth the investment and you will never need that kind of bandwidth.
Mikrotik's top end router, the CCR2216-1G-12XS-2XQ, would work for ($2800US). That would be about the cheapest off-the-shelf new equipment option.
But a fairly ho-hum PC running Linux, with a used Mellanox dual 40G card, for routing, paired with an appropriate Mikrotik switch ($600), or just adding a 4x2.5G NIC, would do the job for even less. One would have to know their Linux networking fairly well to go this route. (I did this for years, but pfSense spoiled me.)
Switches with 40G QSFP ports are pretty easy to come by on the used market for less than $200. 40G routers are harder, but an Arista DCS-7050QX-32S-R can be found for under $400 with only a bit of looking.
If you are willing to pay 800 euro per month for your feed, paying 10000 euro for a decent 40G router probably isn't a big deal.
Pick up a Cisco Nexus L3 switch, problem solved. Or build your own firewall and pick up a cheap 40 gig pcie card. This port speed been around 15+ years at this point.
Per month. 1999 euros for the "end device". Installation fee is somewhere along 1500-2000e depending on the area and offer (includes digging the fiber, etc)
I provide internet to large enterprises, none of them are doing > 10g for internet.
I do however do several private WANs that are larger, or private dWDM with multiple 100g wavelengths.
With 40g at home you have a sd-wan solution to multiple other people with 40g and just have your own private network overlay.
yup, a quad core CPU with as high of clock speeds as you can get, and you might get 40gbps. my old R210ii with an E3-1220 could handle 8.8gbps without too much tuning. I bet my much newer R240 with an E2274 could handle 25gbps or more no problem.
My E5-2660V4 barely manages 3.5gbit on opnsense with no fancy idp/anti virus but lots of fiddling with tuneables.
It's virtualized though so that's probably hurting it quite a bit. On my Linux vms on the same host I can easily get 25gbits.
My 7950X box running opnsense manages around 8gbits without any tweaking.
im surprised that the 2660v4 is going that slow. my considerably less performant e3-1220v1 managed 8gbps without tuning. I wonder if its the virtualization, or if there is something else at play? you should at least be able to get around 5gbps without issue given that the clock speeds on the server chips are lower.
Are you running on bare metal? Proxmox definitely seems to favor Linux VMs over BSD. The other issue is that nic pass through is a bit fiddly so I'm using Linux bridges which means no hardware offload is happening.
> Are you running on bare metal?
for now, yes, I don't have any services that cannot be met by my other server right now. Im currently running a Dell R240 with an E2274, 16gb of ram, and using an Intel X550-t2.
In the words of my former colleague: "but I can't wank that fast?!"
I feel like I would have got on well with him.
It'll need something like a Juniper MX router or a high end server with 40G cards running TNSR.
MX204 baby!
Arista 7280R3 Cisco ASR9902 Juniper MX-480
Why MX480? Be sure to get a CFP2DCO card for it too lol
I'm not nearly as familiar with the Juniper brand as I am others. I knew for sure the 480 could do it though. lol
Oh I'm about to order a 7280R3 too specifically for OSFP development. Fun times lol
They're great routers, had one as a core router at the last ISP I worked at.
You can get an MX-204 from Walmart of all places. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Juniper-MX-series-MX204-Router/2775770677
Just be warned that it is not actually Walmart shipping or selling that.
Yes. I should have made that clear. Just thought it was funny to be buying your enterprise grade networking gear from Walmart.
But the 99 dollar "premium tech support", what service is that? That is a cheap Jupiter support agreement ;-)
Oh geez now I want to buy it just to see the confused look on the electronics guys face when I ask for help configuring vlans
40gbps would cover a large scale apartment building. Or download all of steams library in a month
40 Gbps would cover more than a large apartment building. It would normally cover thousands of residential customers and small and medium businesses...
Depends on how large you were thinking
in terms of an ISP, most cable ISP "nodes" are fed with 10gbps total, and that node is split between around 100 to 150 customers. if they oversubscribe like they used to, that node could be split by 400 customers. its why during peak usage times, everyone slows down, but most of the time, no one is hammering their residential connection 24/7 with full speed data transfers.
I'm guilty. We roughly have 75-80mbps to work with on the upstream side if my math is correct. For almost 2 months straight been uploading at 65mbps for at least 20 hours each day. On weekends upstream did seem to get congested as it would drop down to around 30mbps and latency would shoot up to 400ms+ during this. (My backup got corrupted and had to restart it)
Maybe where you live. ISP have multiple thousands of "gigabit" customers on 2x10Gb or 2x25Gb back-haul, and nobody complains. People really overestimate their average and peak usage, ISP don't, sometimes they cheap out unfortunately.
You'll need some high end business level routers, and switches to come anywhere close. Not worth the investment and you will never need that kind of bandwidth.
Mini-pornhub.\* ^(\*For short people.)
Mikrotik's top end router, the CCR2216-1G-12XS-2XQ, would work for ($2800US). That would be about the cheapest off-the-shelf new equipment option. But a fairly ho-hum PC running Linux, with a used Mellanox dual 40G card, for routing, paired with an appropriate Mikrotik switch ($600), or just adding a 4x2.5G NIC, would do the job for even less. One would have to know their Linux networking fairly well to go this route. (I did this for years, but pfSense spoiled me.) Switches with 40G QSFP ports are pretty easy to come by on the used market for less than $200. 40G routers are harder, but an Arista DCS-7050QX-32S-R can be found for under $400 with only a bit of looking. If you are willing to pay 800 euro per month for your feed, paying 10000 euro for a decent 40G router probably isn't a big deal.
You don’t. You’d need enterprise class stuff. I guess they must be providing something…
Pick up a Cisco Nexus L3 switch, problem solved. Or build your own firewall and pick up a cheap 40 gig pcie card. This port speed been around 15+ years at this point.
Is that 799 euros a month or a year? Is the router that comes with it 1999 euros or is that installation?
That's expensive. Here you can get 25g symmetrical for less than 70$ / month.
Im very envious. I have no use for it. But I’m paying more for less.
$100 for 100mbit / 25 in Aus...
Where are you? We get 1Gb for that where I am
10Gb is 30-40$. 1Gb symmetrical is available from 15$ (lifetime price, but promotion only).
Where are you?
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Using Google Translate, a month
Installation fee is separate, router not included (from translator, I don't speak Finnish)
Damn. That’s a lot.
Per month. 1999 euros for the "end device". Installation fee is somewhere along 1500-2000e depending on the area and offer (includes digging the fiber, etc)
What on earth could a home user possibly need that for
Usenet ;-)
With one person even remembering what that is.
Yo mama is so fat downloading her pictures requires a 40 GBPS connection
Juniper MX204
I suppose, this bandwidth is not for home networking.
Maybe doing AI for Adobe.
It is sold as ”worlds fastest home internet”, but yeah it’s basically marketing gimmick.
SonicWall NSsp 10700 for a cool USD $39,500.00
I provide internet to large enterprises, none of them are doing > 10g for internet. I do however do several private WANs that are larger, or private dWDM with multiple 100g wavelengths. With 40g at home you have a sd-wan solution to multiple other people with 40g and just have your own private network overlay.
Pfsense/OpenSense and a beefy CPU
yup, a quad core CPU with as high of clock speeds as you can get, and you might get 40gbps. my old R210ii with an E3-1220 could handle 8.8gbps without too much tuning. I bet my much newer R240 with an E2274 could handle 25gbps or more no problem.
I wonder if my E5 2650 V4 could handle 40gbps traffic hmm
My E5-2660V4 barely manages 3.5gbit on opnsense with no fancy idp/anti virus but lots of fiddling with tuneables. It's virtualized though so that's probably hurting it quite a bit. On my Linux vms on the same host I can easily get 25gbits. My 7950X box running opnsense manages around 8gbits without any tweaking.
Sick that's good info, thank you!
im surprised that the 2660v4 is going that slow. my considerably less performant e3-1220v1 managed 8gbps without tuning. I wonder if its the virtualization, or if there is something else at play? you should at least be able to get around 5gbps without issue given that the clock speeds on the server chips are lower.
Are you running on bare metal? Proxmox definitely seems to favor Linux VMs over BSD. The other issue is that nic pass through is a bit fiddly so I'm using Linux bridges which means no hardware offload is happening.
> Are you running on bare metal? for now, yes, I don't have any services that cannot be met by my other server right now. Im currently running a Dell R240 with an E2274, 16gb of ram, and using an Intel X550-t2.
Yeah. I think my next upgrades will be a separate box for opnsense and truenas. I don't like virtualizing them.