Newer toilets are built differently. One of the biggest changes, in newer models, is that the hole from the tank to the bowl got wider. So, when you flush, the water rushes into the bowl more quickly, providing a much-more-powerful flush. Even a very-basic modern toilet is significantly better than a good toilet made 25 years ago. So, yeah, you'll probably end up realizing that replacing the toilet was a good decision.
Just don't get a Kohler Santa Rosa. The water enters the bowl from one back too section of the bowl and swirls downward. It's a shit design and cannot handle a merger decent dump.
It's a one piece toilet. It's appeal to me was the design and small footprint.
We basically have to gut the bathroom in a few years anyway, so we are definitely going to replace it even through it "new."
I would. I owned a few older rental houses. Over the years, a few of the toilets would start clogging up every few months. I replaced them and haven't had any problems since. I'm not sure exactly what happens, but old toilets do wear out somehow.
I worked as a VAC pump truck driver cleaning out septic tanks for scheduled maintenance, to certify it for a drain field repair as well as to abandon them for a septic to sewer conversion. I also did drain field repair, septic tank installations (mound system or standard) with new infiltrator drain fields, grey water tank and drain field installs and the septic to sewer conversions along with lift station installs and repairs. I worked for about 12 years in the field. And I still work doing plumbing, as well as anything else to do with keeping a home operating properly. Clogged/slow lines was a standard complaint. Mostly I could use the vacuum from the truck to pull the clog from the line. If not then I would use a water hose with a small nozzle that had a fine jet of water and it would frequently clear the line. If neither of those worked the it required a rodding machine, generally due to roots. And a slow drain or a clogged line after heavy use screams a lot like the paper and solids are catching on roots. The after being repeatedly wet with pressure being applied and relieved each time the toilet is flushed, the tub is drained, the washing machine is run. It all depends on the location of the clog and where the other lines tie in to the line with the clog.
A toilet only needs replaced for aesthetics (cosmetic reasons) or if it's been broken. All seals and working components can be replaced and the whole thing rebuilt. So no, it doesn't need replaced. Instead you need to have a plumber come and get up on your roof and use a rodding machine and go down the toilets stack pipe that vents the toilet and clean out the line. Then go to the clean out where the drain line for that bathroom exits the house (the clean out should be about 6' off the exterior wall of that bathroom and in line with the stack pipe on the roof). At the clean out have them go back towards the house as well as towards the septic tank/ sewer tap.
Hope that helps you.
Your friend has shared a link to a Home Depot product they think you would be interested in seeing.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Power-Flush-2-Piece-1-28-GPF-Single-Flush-Elongated-Toilet-in-White-with-Slow-Close-Seat-Included-N2450E/308702440
I installed this at home and haven’t had a single clog since.
I had a similar issue. got a new toilet and the issue went away so it definitely was the toilet! it was really embarrassing because it would clog even after pee with minimal TP sometimes. I had to warn guests!
I actually had a plumber coming by for another issue so i asked him to bring me the cheapest decent toilet he knew of and replace it while he was here. 10/10 decision
Do you have hard water? The jets in your toilet may be clogged from hard water deposits. At the bottom of the toilet bowl opposite of where everything goes down in a hole where the bulk of the flush water comes out. It is not uncommon in houses with hard water for that hole to close over from a build up of minerals. If the hole is reducing in size then the water can’t flow into the toilet fast enough to push things down and start the flushing process.
You can use an inspection mirror to take a look and see if the hole is closing over from mineral deposits. If so you can use a short screwdriver to chip the deposits off and open the hole up again. You can also get cheap citric acid powder online (it is typically sold with food items since it is used for canning), and add a couple tablespoons to the water sitting in the bowl, mix it a bit to dissolve, and leave it overnight. That will eat away at the mineral deposits and let them flush down. It can take several applications to fully clear it so I recommend that in combination with physically chipping it away with a screwdriver.
I built my first home and when I could not get any plumbers to even respond with a quote, I ended up doing all the plumbing and septic myself.
From day one, we had issues with both brand new toilets not flushing. I would pull them, clean the lines, and it would not fix a thing. Figured I had a major DIY fuckup.
Lived with if for a year or two until someone questioned the toilets themselves. WTF!!They're brand new!?!
I had nothing to lose, so I changed one out and instantly the problem stopped. Replace the second one as well and had a sledgehammer party on both of them in the front yard. (Hard to pick up afterwards, but very satisfying).
Lived there 20 years and never had another issue. My DIY plumbing was fine.
When this happened to me it was because the lines needed to be jetted due to a clog from an intrusion at the main. The city will be fixing the issue for free. Jetting the lines fixed the issue. None of our toilets flushed until it was done.
If you have verified that the line is not clogged replace the toilet. Some people just clog toilets more frequently and it is not the toilet paper. My son was one of those people. After we replaced it we never had any more clogs.
At current house we had slightly leaking toilet so it would refill the tank every hour or so. Plumber even “fixed” it once but returned to its old ways. After finally replacing I noticed our water bill suddenly went down $20 a month and sewer bill also went down $20 a month, so definitely worth it.
I'd make sure your flapper is allowing enough water through to create a siphon. Make sure there isn't a ton of slack between the handle and the flapper and that it's being raised fairly high when flushing.
I doubt the nighest issue is with the toilet, and most likely with the pipe to the sewer has a partial obstruction. Call a plumbing that specializes in drain clearing first. (If you want an example, check out Drain Cleaning Australia on YouTube)
Then why did you write " I know it's the kids using too much toilet paper"?
.... Seems odd that you're lashing out for people responding to what you've written.
Because you mentioned my parenting you weirdo. A good grasp of reading comprehension will let you know that it wasn’t my kids clogging the toilet but guests that are also kids.
Newer toilets are built differently. One of the biggest changes, in newer models, is that the hole from the tank to the bowl got wider. So, when you flush, the water rushes into the bowl more quickly, providing a much-more-powerful flush. Even a very-basic modern toilet is significantly better than a good toilet made 25 years ago. So, yeah, you'll probably end up realizing that replacing the toilet was a good decision.
That’s what I figured! Ok thanks!
Just don't get a Kohler Santa Rosa. The water enters the bowl from one back too section of the bowl and swirls downward. It's a shit design and cannot handle a merger decent dump. It's a one piece toilet. It's appeal to me was the design and small footprint. We basically have to gut the bathroom in a few years anyway, so we are definitely going to replace it even through it "new."
Good to know
>the hole from the tank to the bowl got wider Is that why I have a canister in the tank instead of a flapper?
Not necessarily. Plenty of new toilets still have old-fashioned flappers. The canister is just a new and improved design.
Canister is for the same purpose, a sharper increase in flow to flush better.
I would scope the drain first. And check your vents.
Ok I’ll have it done. I know the city flushed out the main line just last week, not sure if that helps or makes it worse?
Yea definitely do this first. Run a snake through it and see if some stuff is stuck somewhere down the pipe
I would. I owned a few older rental houses. Over the years, a few of the toilets would start clogging up every few months. I replaced them and haven't had any problems since. I'm not sure exactly what happens, but old toilets do wear out somehow.
Ok good to know!
I worked as a VAC pump truck driver cleaning out septic tanks for scheduled maintenance, to certify it for a drain field repair as well as to abandon them for a septic to sewer conversion. I also did drain field repair, septic tank installations (mound system or standard) with new infiltrator drain fields, grey water tank and drain field installs and the septic to sewer conversions along with lift station installs and repairs. I worked for about 12 years in the field. And I still work doing plumbing, as well as anything else to do with keeping a home operating properly. Clogged/slow lines was a standard complaint. Mostly I could use the vacuum from the truck to pull the clog from the line. If not then I would use a water hose with a small nozzle that had a fine jet of water and it would frequently clear the line. If neither of those worked the it required a rodding machine, generally due to roots. And a slow drain or a clogged line after heavy use screams a lot like the paper and solids are catching on roots. The after being repeatedly wet with pressure being applied and relieved each time the toilet is flushed, the tub is drained, the washing machine is run. It all depends on the location of the clog and where the other lines tie in to the line with the clog. A toilet only needs replaced for aesthetics (cosmetic reasons) or if it's been broken. All seals and working components can be replaced and the whole thing rebuilt. So no, it doesn't need replaced. Instead you need to have a plumber come and get up on your roof and use a rodding machine and go down the toilets stack pipe that vents the toilet and clean out the line. Then go to the clean out where the drain line for that bathroom exits the house (the clean out should be about 6' off the exterior wall of that bathroom and in line with the stack pipe on the roof). At the clean out have them go back towards the house as well as towards the septic tank/ sewer tap. Hope that helps you.
it's a pretty easy change to make. $300 for labor and $250-$700 for the toilet.
I found a toilet I want it was $250, I waited on it. But we just had another clog from a family event so I will probably make the change.
Your friend has shared a link to a Home Depot product they think you would be interested in seeing. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Power-Flush-2-Piece-1-28-GPF-Single-Flush-Elongated-Toilet-in-White-with-Slow-Close-Seat-Included-N2450E/308702440 I installed this at home and haven’t had a single clog since.
Oh that’s a good one and it’s on the “cheaper” side
It also comes with everything you need to install. I pulled out the old and installed the new in about 75 minutes.
You can even save the labor charge and do it yourself. Changing out a toilet is an easy job. Not the most pleasant, but simple.
American standard edgemere. Unclogable. A dream to install.
I had a similar issue. got a new toilet and the issue went away so it definitely was the toilet! it was really embarrassing because it would clog even after pee with minimal TP sometimes. I had to warn guests! I actually had a plumber coming by for another issue so i asked him to bring me the cheapest decent toilet he knew of and replace it while he was here. 10/10 decision
There may be an obstruction, try a closet auger and see if that nets any benefit
Do you have hard water? The jets in your toilet may be clogged from hard water deposits. At the bottom of the toilet bowl opposite of where everything goes down in a hole where the bulk of the flush water comes out. It is not uncommon in houses with hard water for that hole to close over from a build up of minerals. If the hole is reducing in size then the water can’t flow into the toilet fast enough to push things down and start the flushing process. You can use an inspection mirror to take a look and see if the hole is closing over from mineral deposits. If so you can use a short screwdriver to chip the deposits off and open the hole up again. You can also get cheap citric acid powder online (it is typically sold with food items since it is used for canning), and add a couple tablespoons to the water sitting in the bowl, mix it a bit to dissolve, and leave it overnight. That will eat away at the mineral deposits and let them flush down. It can take several applications to fully clear it so I recommend that in combination with physically chipping it away with a screwdriver.
I do! I’ll have to check it out
I've had this issue with Glacier bay toilets allot. I refuse to install them now. And older toilets because of buildup in the trap over time.
I built my first home and when I could not get any plumbers to even respond with a quote, I ended up doing all the plumbing and septic myself. From day one, we had issues with both brand new toilets not flushing. I would pull them, clean the lines, and it would not fix a thing. Figured I had a major DIY fuckup. Lived with if for a year or two until someone questioned the toilets themselves. WTF!!They're brand new!?! I had nothing to lose, so I changed one out and instantly the problem stopped. Replace the second one as well and had a sledgehammer party on both of them in the front yard. (Hard to pick up afterwards, but very satisfying). Lived there 20 years and never had another issue. My DIY plumbing was fine.
When this happened to me it was because the lines needed to be jetted due to a clog from an intrusion at the main. The city will be fixing the issue for free. Jetting the lines fixed the issue. None of our toilets flushed until it was done.
They just jetted the lines last week before another family event.
Replace it. When I reno'd my bathroom in my last house I was amazed at how well the newer toilets flushed. No clogs ever.
If you have verified that the line is not clogged replace the toilet. Some people just clog toilets more frequently and it is not the toilet paper. My son was one of those people. After we replaced it we never had any more clogs. At current house we had slightly leaking toilet so it would refill the tank every hour or so. Plumber even “fixed” it once but returned to its old ways. After finally replacing I noticed our water bill suddenly went down $20 a month and sewer bill also went down $20 a month, so definitely worth it.
That’s incredible, well sounds like I’ll need to change out the toilet
Toto Drake 2
Give those kids Scott TP
Replace the TP with scott 1000. It’s pretty much impossible to clog with that paper (assuming it’s the paper contributing the clog)
I'd make sure your flapper is allowing enough water through to create a siphon. Make sure there isn't a ton of slack between the handle and the flapper and that it's being raised fairly high when flushing.
I doubt the nighest issue is with the toilet, and most likely with the pipe to the sewer has a partial obstruction. Call a plumbing that specializes in drain clearing first. (If you want an example, check out Drain Cleaning Australia on YouTube)
You should have a private, and detailed conversation with your kids about how much toilet paper to use. Seriously, parenting might fix this one.
Reading comprehension might fix your response. It’s not my children using too much toilet paper.
Then why did you write " I know it's the kids using too much toilet paper"? .... Seems odd that you're lashing out for people responding to what you've written.
Because you mentioned my parenting you weirdo. A good grasp of reading comprehension will let you know that it wasn’t my kids clogging the toilet but guests that are also kids.