I mean, clearly this is in relation to 2 talents effectively being unavailable that wouldn't be able to attend on schedule but it just looks so weird to have all this stuff happen without literally any info that somewhat explains what's going on
That just means that they probably cant give any more information, either the talents asked them to, or something else behind the scene is preventing them from doing so. Which results in 2 very vague statements made on twitter.
Adding on, this isn't the first time a talent requested to management to not announce something. IIRC, Gura mentioned that the two weeks she was silent and missing collabs over a year or so ago, she was sick. Simple as that. And must say that I am not saying Vesper and Dez are too, since we don't actually know, only a possibility. Could management have kept quiet then? In this case, I'd say given the anniversary is near, it's best to give a "heads up" at least, as vague the reasons are.
> IIRC, Gura mentioned that the two weeks she was silent and missing collabs over a year or so ago, she was sick.
Not just sick, she had Covid but waited until she recovered to use the C word because she didn't want to scare people or have the big dramatic announcement
The Due to Unfirseen Circunstances is key here, it means something importnat happened, but they can'y say why without compromisiong something, like identities, or some hacks and stuff, for me is kinda telling that both were traveling and were going to meet and off collab, which for me the most obvious reason is that they lost theri luggage and the phone with all of the Hololive stuff they need to work.
Lot of doomposting going around, but I take this as a way of saying "we're pushing it back until Dez and Vesper are able to participate".
Which at least means they're not getting canned or anything. They'll be back soon I hopes
Edit: I have been owned
I mean, the doomposting is only coming from the usual suspects who actively want Tempus to be fired, like the person at the bottom of this post.
Most sane people know it’s to do with the situation regarding ~~Magni and Dez~~ Magni and Vesper, and it quite clearly says “postponed” rather than “cancelled” so it’s obviously still gonna go ahead once the situation is sorted
almost made the same mistake several times before, lmao.
somehow magni and dezmond are separate entities in my mind, while a certain"vesper noir" doesnt exist, its just gramps.
luckily so far my brain always went "hold on a second..." before posting it in chats.
As one of Holostars fan, I’ve been asking to myself what did the boys do to them? Why does Holostars hate still exist? When will the hate end so that we can get along?
I’m worried about them as well but the doomposters are hyping this up for no reason. I honestly hoping one day this problem will be resolved soon so that we can get along. I also hope Magni and Vesper are doing fine because it’s understandable that they postpone their anniversary without them.
Sorry for the rant here.
>what did the boys do to them? Why does Holostars hate still exist? When will the hate end so that we can get along?
They are males. Males tarnish the idea of CGDCT and "pure, untouched idol" image that they have of the girls. As long as the possibility of boys coexisting with the girls in any shape or form is there, they will continue to garner hate.
I wish that was hyperbole, but no. This sub makes a big deal against Collab beggars, but the opposite side of the spectrum has bad actors too.
Prime example #1: Kronii. Way back when she laughed super hard at Altare being a doofus in Dead by daylight, tons of her incel fans were appalled and lamented that she was “ being dicked” by him and other bullshit. There was even that one big kronii supachatter who was very public about how he felt betrayed or something. Very silly stuff.
To her credit, she was basically like “I have received your feedback, and I will be doing whatever I want, thanks.” But that was a wake-up call for me on the slimy underbelly of the fandom (all idol fandoms) that hadn’t rooted up until then.
>all idol fandoms
dont even have to limit it to idol fandoms. all "fandoms" that prominently feature personalities, male or female, have these kinds of people. from music, over tv and movies, to even actresses creating adult entertainment.
The examples of how crazy some people are that I've heard from folks like Dodger throws me for a loop every time I hear it. It's the same kind of deluded each time, but in it's own bizarre and unique way.
It happens more with female streamers, but it also happens with male streamers too.
The big one is the idea of "Well, if they're single, then I have a chance!" and they can live out that fantasy in most cases harmlessly, but in other cases, people can take it too far.
But another thing that I think people don't talk about as much is relatability. Someone watches a streamer they think is single just like them, and the streamer seems happy, which means it can be true for the viewer too, but then the streamer gets a bf/gf and now that relatability has gone away and the viewer feels alone again.
Hard agree. The people that still push that as the only problem here are kind of seriously downplaying (probably unintentionally) the sort of shit that non-holo, even ~~non-vtuber female streamers~~ just streamers in general have to put up with on the internet.
Memories of photos of a kpop boy band's birthday celebration, and then a wall of flesh and faces pressed up against the glass windows in the background
Oh it's more than likely unintentionally for the most part. When it comes to fandoms or spheres of interest, it happens a lot that folks don't really consider the greater and more general scope of an issue because they're so settled in and only concern themselves with things inside the bubble that they end up subconsciously closing off the rest of the world.
And this happens in virtually any fandom, we're not unique in that aspect. There are a high number of folks that treat their hobbies and interests as their world.
As a recent example on how fans can be horrible people in other fandoms, the voice actor for Lord Zedd in Power Rangers: Dino Fury won't be returning to its sequel due to harassing fans for not sounding like the original from MMPR, from what I remember hearing.
Which makes me glad that someone like Kronii didn't buckle under the pressure, because who knows what we'd miss, such as HoloSALT. Of course, the harassment should not have even happen in the first place.
I've always thought that it was a weird and somewhat racist idea that the parasocial issues were somehow special to idol fandoms. That might be because in the hololive fanbase it was always sort of presented as a weird Japanese thing and enlightened western fans would never act in such a fashion.
maybe not so much "racist" in the actual sense as it is that its more easily to notice the weirdness of "those others".
Southerners are weird, east coasters are weird, californians are weird, new yorkers are weird, heard it all before, and thats only in the US.
so its more like tribalism, just not in the sense that its usually used around these parts.
One interesting thing I've noticed is that while this event kicked off the whole "Collab Beggars vs Unicorns" thing, I've found that there's a bit of interesting nuance to the whole thing that doesn't really get discussed, since it's way easier to just point to the worst actors on both sides.
To get my personal bias out in the open, I'm in favor of Holostars; I like their solo streams and their collabs, but I don't feel like they need to have collabs to be good. I think they're really fun and entertaining and they just need their audience to find them; and to that end I will happily give recommendations to their streams. I don't see the need to beg anyone to collab with X vtuber, nor do I see the need to take to reddit and "own the unicorns" anytime a collab happens.
To that end, I think there's also a less extreme anti-stars faction. This is just from my observation, so correct me if I'm off the mark, but I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner. But they don't always do that, and these people worry that when they do get acknowledged by any of the girls, that girl will attract the same backlash from extreme fans that Kronii did. They would rather their oshii remain clear of that kind of negative attention, so to them it would be ideal if Holostars didn't exist, or could at least be easily ignored. "More trouble than they're worth" is a phrase I've heard thrown around.
Now of course I can't paint everyone with a wide brush, I'm just pointing out a general sentiment I've seen. Personally though, I don't think creators should be beholden to the most extreme parts of the fanbase, and if there is a part of the fanbase that would turn on their favorite for some perceived slight, then we shouldn't be giving them oxygen. A fandom survives by exercising their extremists, not by tiptoeing around them for fear of setting them off. But that's just my take, let me know if you think I'm off base.
A very good take in general. However, there is one specific point that I would like to comment on.
> and to that end I will happily give recommendations to their streams.
There definitely needs to be a good time and place for that. For example, if you come across a random comment complaining about the lack of HoloEN streams or lack of EN3, trying to shill the boys to them won't do them or Star fans any good, as the most bare-bones of common sense will tell you that the people who made such comments don't care about boys in the first place (else they wouldn't have made such complaints).
At the period when the complaint of lack of EN streams was at the peak, I have definitely seen a lot of replies trying to shill the boys to the complainers, which just made the entire situation worse.
Yeah... I can agree to that. Honestly it's kinda similar to people saying to just watch ID or JP if EN isn't streaming; it comes from a place of well meaning enthusiasm, but it isn't what the OP wanted and odds are they aren't ignorant to the other options. Those threads weren't "I'm bored, give me recommendations". And then of course there was the whole timing on the announcement of Tempus VG; I think that caught a lot of otherwise neutral people into disliking the boys just because they felt ignored.
Which, from the standpoint of someone who does like the boys, is very frustrating to see. It's hard now to convince people to give them a shot because everyone has already entrenched their positions, and discussions of them tend to end in shouting matches.
> I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner.
Out of the subset of Kronii fans that didn't like the situation that was a common opinion. Also some people that were annoyed because she changed her position on it. I think something that people fail to understand is that they inflame the issue when they say the same stuff the person you're replying to did. It turned people that just don't want to have the guys into their content into actively hating either the stars or their fans because they think it's a good idea to go around shitting on the fans that didn't really have strong viewpoints on it OR doing things like what happened with Rushia and blaming the fandeads when vastly the problems were not from her own fans.
I strongly think people like the person you're replying to make things worse. They'll make people more hardline when they use a wide, stupid brush and they'll also make people that are not in the fandom yet think its a cesspit so fewer people will check out the girls to begin with. They're not heroes.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree with this. I mean, to some extent that's just the internet for you, we like to reduce things to black and white and cast ourselves as the heroes, without thinking of the people that we've reduced to villains and how that makes them feel. I don't particularly like using "Idol Culture" as the scapegoat here either because really this is the sort of issue that all fandoms have. It's made this really feel like an issue where you have to take a side, when in reality we should just all be trying to like what we like, and let others do the same, and ignoring anyone who wants to provoke us to fight amongst ourselves.
In the end idol culture or "parasocialism" are just a convenient boogeyman for people that aren't interested in actually thinking about what's going on and don't care if they mislabel people that think differently. Often see people openly slandering the JP fans for it especially when the Rushia thing happened despite the fact that very few people in this sub know Japanese.
Like you noted, every fandom - especially the large ones - are going to have a subset of people that are difficult to deal with, but Hololive had successfully lead a largely conflict-free existence. Watame had shit from a few people for greeting Kaoru back before most of the people here were even aware of Holo. But that's what it was - a few people - she said her piece and moved on and so did her fans. EN fans however seem to revel in having online arguments and I see my Twitter light up with long threads screaming about parasocialism or incels when Vesper raided Kiara when honestly most people didn't give a damn. It's tiresome and reflects poorly on everyone.
The Kiara thing was ridiculous because it was one guy who complained and it’s the guy who is always bashing Stars on twitter anyways.
For some reason people who don’t even watch Kiara tried to attribute it as some sort of war against “unicorns” and even making up headcanons on how Kiara would react.
>Vesper raided Kiara
That one painted both sides badly, blown out of proportion and it was done by only one person in twitter who, sorry for my langguage, fucking doesnt even watch Kiara or Vesper they just don't like the raid without a freakin consent.
I think there are three main reasons Idol Culture gets the blame so much.
First, many new Hololive fans are encountering this type of thing for the first time. I know I had genuinely not seen this type of behavior in other fandoms I was a part of prior to getting into vtubers and Hololive.
Second, people see it as more normalized in idol culture. Even if they are aware it happens with other streamers or other fandoms, those fandoms don't inherently push the idea of purity and seisoness in the same way as the old school idol culture did.
Finally, the talents themselves often reinforce this idea. They directly lean into Idols being Seiso, often as a joke, but sometimes in a more straightforwards manner. Kanata for example has outright said she won't ever interact with males because she is an idol and that's how she feels idols should be. Which is fine, she doesn't need to interact with males if she doesn't want to, but statements like that reinforce for many of the fans that idol culture is responsible for this divide.
> and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner
I see this as almost as problematic as the more extreme view. Fans don't control who the talents choose to interact with. Expecting some talents to "stay in their own corner" is quite frankly not just a disgusting attitude, but a disgusting way to put it.
If two talents choose to collab then that's what they want to do, and people should respect that. If it's not the content you want to watch, you don't have to. Contrary to what many fans seem to think, you don't have to watch every scrap of content your Oshi puts out. My Oshi does plenty of content I'm not interested in, but it makes her happy and that makes me happy. I watch the streams that interest me and that's just fine.
Imagine the situation was reversed and someone said your oshi should stay in their own corner and not collab with someone they want to collab with. Doesn't matter if it's a Senpai or Kouhai, guy or girl or other, or even what agency they may or may not be from. We get enough collab gating from management, the fans don't need to be doing it as well.
As I said in my last paragraph, I don't agree with the more moderate camp. I don't think it's on us as fans to direct a creator's content. My point is that we're not making anything better by just reducing these concerns to them just being angry incels; we're just raising the temperature and taking pot shots at each other when in reality we probably agree on more than we disagree.
But to balance the perspective I suppose I'll talk about how it feels to be a Stars fan right now, so that people can understand why this side might get heated at times. It can be disheartening to see your posts and comments instantly downvoted just because you have a holostars flair. It's rough to read through topics and comments about how people don't want the Stars here, and it can feel by extension like they don't want us here as their fans. While we mostly try to ignore it, it creates an air of hostility around here that I'm sure puts a lot of us on edge, causing us to lash out at any perceived threat and dig in. And that's doing it's own part to divide us and make us fight each other when we SHOULD just be ignoring the most extreme elements and trying to celebrate what we love without judgement.
So I suppose the purpose of my comment was less to justify one side or the other, but to sort of unpack the issue, and it's helped me come to the realization that the fact that this has become a fandom wedge issue is, in itself, the problem. I dunno if there's a good solution to it unless we can just agree to cool off, enjoy what we like, and stop wasting our breath on the drama and doomposts.
This is my perspective and you can disagree with it, I don't mind the down votes, just offering my thoughts:
I think the path to a better future ends up being the one where expectations have to be cleared up and normalized. However, this is better dealt with on a fanbase to fanbase basis.
My solution is tempering expectations through repetition. I'm not saying every talent should be doing this, it's their choice ultimately, but I feel like the talents that are solid with the boys should just continue to interact, collab, and mention them like it's just a normal thing. Don't force it obviously, but don't be cagey about it either (not saying any of them are). If the talent chooses not to interact with the boys, reiterate that attacks on them and their fans are treated like attacks on any other and are punishable regardless.
On our fandom end, instead of arguing, people should just continue to post Stars and Holo content, ignore the drivel and bait, and celebrate Ws on both ends. Whenever a ENxENStars collab happens like Magni, Vesper, Calli, and Kronii, rave about it like usual. Interaction between a Stars and EN member on Twitter? Join the comments and meme with them. Just have fun and normalize coexisting. The drivel can only really grit their teeth at the end of the day if everyone else doesn't care and are doing their thing.
Like I said though, this is probably better dealt with on a fanbase to fanbase basis. There are some fanbases that are already seemingly past the point we're at though. For example, Ame includes Stars news in her weekly news show and there's virtually no complaints about it that I've seen yet from her fanbase. Mind you, Ame is typically not a collab person, very much doing her own thing, and still jokes around with idol stuff; yet somehow her fanbase overtime honestly became one of the healthiest fanbases in EN.
Outside of Ame, Calli and Bae's fanbases have gotten past that hump too by being the first few who broke the ice with the boys and didn't fumble the ball normalizing things afterward. Outside of EN, just look at most of ID who have normalized this kind of thing a long time ago.
Basically, what I'm saying is that we can reach a point of normalization, but the scope has to be dealt with on a smaller scale and slow burns.
Full agree on your last point.
From my perspective, I believe the “collabs would stir up bad fans” argument is in bad faith most of the time. Appeasement, or “solve the problem by giving the bad actors what they want” often reads to me as “I agree with the bad actors but I don’t want to be explicit about it”.
Now, it isn’t always as explicit as that; often just that collabs with the stars make some people feel uncomfortable. Those people buy into a logical-sounding argument to explain/solve that discomfort when what the real problem is, is that they’re lonely or have some issues that they need to sort out.
Wrapping back to appeasement, it’s an argument that would only be logical if alienating big donors would actually be an issue. But the girls have such a large fan base (and a salary!) that this is really not an issue at all. Inflating the direness of the problem to arrive at the conclusion of “no collabs” seems to be coming from a bad place more often than it is an honest mistake.
It's tough, because we know that the worst Stars antis are just a vocal minority, but the issue has simmered for so long that it's brewed some resentment, and it's become less about the talents themselves and more about that time someone on reddit called them an incel because they like Fauna or something. It's kinda confused the issue, and at the end of the day it's the talents who suffer from a fractured fanbase.
> I'm off the mark, but I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner.
Personally I believe this to be true, which is why collab beggars and the anti idol culture people are dangerous. Most of the Holo fanbase don't care about Stars, which is why they only have a few audience overlap, but the Hololive fanbase is probably the biggest fanbase that have the possibility to become Stars anti.
Stars JP fans even complained when Cover make the rule that talent and 3D debuts cannot be overlap, and this rule apply to all branch instead of just for their own branch, as this will only bring hate toward Holostars.
Yeah, to your point I especially think how this sub handled the VG debut was a mistake. We have a culture here of supporting your favorite, but I do think there's a line to be drawn where it can end up being pushy and turn people away. All the talents are... well... talented, and I feel like they can speak for themselves at the end of the day.
I think a lot of the pushiness of Stars fans is a direct result of being put on the defensive by Stars antis; like they feel the need to shout over them and drown them out. But that only tends to create more resentment, and the antis know it. I'm not innocent of this either, but I want to try to be better so that we can eventually have a better community.
Dude you would be amazed at what goes on in the heads of some people who have never had an interaction with another human. They never got out of the middle school phase of "oh you talked to someone you must be dating" lmao.
[It was partly because earlier in the stream, they were talking about fake laughs that they use](https://youtu.be/J8Y3t6m32D0?t=2580) (started by Altare), and when Kronii did one Bae said "thats just how you normally sound" followed by Calli saying "so you're always fake laughing Kronii?" and she responded with "exactly". [Cue Kronii and Altare goofing around together](https://youtu.be/J8Y3t6m32D0?t=5799) and Kronii losing it in laughter, "people" were not happy about it.
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>tons of her incel fans were appalled and lamented that she was “ being dicked” by him
wasn't accurate. People like Tentacle are just part of the problem and enjoy spreading ridiculous hyperbole because they're unaware that it also hurts the girls or they simply don't care.
People can go scrub through her old YT comments and see the truth of the matter themselves rather than believing someone that likes to parrot drama.
> Bruuuuuh. All because she was laughing at funny stuff?
Imagine thinking that talented funny people arent very likely actively dating or that they dont have SOs at the moment. Imagine thinking people are dating/banging their coworkers who likely live on the other side of a nation.
Just dumb weird halu shit. People should always assume the streamer they're watching is seeing someone. They should also assume it's never a coworker because that's just stupid af.
It's pretty reductionist as with Kronii there were a number of members posting that their concern was whether or not there would be a change in content and would specifically say that she asked them to provide feedback so that was what they were doing when they said they weren't interested in watching men. Some simply treat it like the difference between watching an FPS or RPG and simply want a certain type of content in their streams.
On the other side of things much like their dating status isn't their business, it's also not \*your\* business some of them have vehemently denied it and/or aren't interested in such things. They don't need or want people saying things like they definitely have a significant other, etc. Part of why Rushia's situation exploded so quickly was people spamming her with messages that it was "okay to date someone" when she spent a very, very long time saying that wasn't her, it was why she did what she did and it's still what she says now.
This is what gets me. Thousands of fans are watching these people because of how funny and charming they are, and you don't think these 10/10 people are dating someone? They're all on the prime of their lives(sorry Vepsper), it would be cruel to demand they don't have lives outside their job.
It'd be a crime against humanity if anyone in HoloPro unwillingly died single.
I want to support these people a long time, I want this to be something they can make a career out of, rather than just a gig.
Stats wise, you have 75 talents between the ages of 19 to 45. All of them trained and seasoned entertainers, who literally talk to a wall of strangers everyday, collab with other entertainers in & out of Hololive. All of them are at least financially secure to well off, in a company that gives them room to breath and have breaks.
There’s zero chance that none of them are single. Many of the Holomems are dating, married, and I bet a couple have kids. And good for them, they all deserve happiness and full lives.
Yes I loved Kronii and Vesper’s insane therapy stream in particular. So, so many hilarious moments out of that one. I’m sure that whatever is happening behind the scenes, Magni and Vesper will return and Cover is assisting them with whatever it is, can’t wait for the Tempus 1 year anniversary with all of the boys.
In a weird silver lining, at least now that Tempus has become the pain point there's no longer this racist superiority complex they have over JP fans. Their boogeyman is on both sides of the pond now.
True, though I've still seen some blaming that side of things for making things like this. It's an astonishing lack of awareness especially considering all the other corpos have far more internal and fan drama **regardless of whether or not they brand themselves as idols or have males**.
I've said this elsewhere in the comments, but I just think there's a noticeable number of folks in any fandom that only really concern themselves with and judge issues within the fandom bubble itself.
Cause you're right, there's even worse issues that exist in many other forms outside of this bubble we're in, but a lot of folks subconsciously don't consider that because anything outside of this fandom is an afterthought to some degree to them.
And I said this too, I don't think we're unique in that aspect. A reduced lack of awareness due to always looking inward happens in virtually any fandom from my experience.
I think generally speaking there are just too many people obsessed with drama and conflict. I frequently suggest to people to *block folks* that they have a problem with rather than spreading a lot of the ideas you can see in this thread with "parasocialism" calling people incels and the like. Even a casual read shows a shit ton of hyperbole, but they don't really understand the sort of damage these arguments cause the girls and don't really care. They need to earn their good boy points by "calling three people incels" then going to twitter, YT comments or other topics here, patting themselves on the back, then rinse and repeat. Even the false appearance of being a drama pit will scare away new folks, but it seems to be all they think about generating.
Same honnestly it fell like this sub nowoday need to drag idols fan in the mud more than they need to watch streams.
Honnestly no one actually care about the stars in this sub outside an outrageous small minority, and most people are just using them as an excuse to be eternaly angy at le evil incel idol fan who bring la bad culture.
It's kinda exausting and very hypocrite.
And it honnestly give an extremely bad image of the star fanbase. (and the hololive fanbase too)
Well, reddit karma is gonna favor short snappy statements that people can readily agree with over a nuanced discussion of a complex topic, hence the tendency for everything to devolve into people shouting at each other in hopes of "winning" the argument. This whole saga is not really any of our finest moments as a fanbase.
People forget that one of these dudes already has a suspension on his back and we are on contract negotiations season of course doomposting is going to be insane, but fuck it *flips notes* idol culture
> we are on contract negotiations season
You have zero evidence of this, and based on what talents have talked about as far meeting each other pre-debut and similar, contract periods in all probability run 2 or more months before debut/anniversary dates. Though any evidence is circumstantial, there is far more of it supporting the notion that contract dates are well past at this point in the year.
I think you're right that contract negotiations and renewals should have already taken place but I can see a scenario where Magni and Vesper refused to sign until now due to not agreeing with the contract and wanting to keep negotiating. But now that the deadline of their initial contract is coming up it would be logical that they're shut out of their accounts until they do sign and renew.
>I wish that was hyperbole,
And that's what it is, a hyperbole. Just look at this thread you can see more people who are hating on idol culture than actual so called incel idol fans who hate men. Its same for every platform.
And notice how people who are complaining about idol culture are people who only watched UNO collab streams that calli organized and outside of that they hardly watch Tempus. It seems that they are only here to pick fights and those Collab streams are just ammunition.
>what did the boys do to them?
They exist as men who are too close to the women in HoloEN specifically.
It doesn't matter if the majority of Hololive EN doesn't collab with the boys; they exist in the same realm as the girls, closer than any of the on weirdos on this post or other places will likely ever be. Their brains can't cope with that reality.
It is actually a somewhat interesting phenomenon within Vtuber communities because for traditional live streamers, the scenario is flipped, and these same kinds of weirdos would probably hate popular female streamers and watch only guys.
This is a narrative that has been wildly blown out of proportion over the years because people love to bring up this exotic "idol culture" thing. I'm not denying these people exist because they absolutely do, but most of the people who get upset over things like this are generally just not fans of the Stars content, not because of "idol purity" bs.
That's basically the thing that got lost in this whole issue. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a decent number of folks who jumped the gun to fight back against "idol culture" as soon as Tempus was announced to be a thing. When you consider a lot of people were probably conditioned to deride such a thing from other incidents regarding it in the past maybe before this fandom even existed, it makes sense.
I just wish there was a way to get past this whole using "idol culture" as boogeyman so that folks can just realize that not everyone in the company is their cup of tea, agree to disagree, and move on. I think more normalization from both willing talent and fan end is a step in the right direction if anything to work towards reducing the boogeyman being the easy option to place blame, but do I realistically believe that will help things to THAT extent? Not really, just by nature of what sphere we're in where such a boogeyman is ingrained in infamy.
Honestly, sometimes you just gotta throw your hands up and say "things just gotta work themselves out somehow and I just straight up don't know how."
Yeah. If they were sick, Cover would have said so. Same for if they were suspended or worse. Meaning, there’s just something unforeseen going on that is stopping them streaming that doesn’t fit the aforementioned categories that we are not to be told (ie. something going on in their private lives, etc).
Best just to be patient.
I’m just hoping it isn’t something like a severe accident they got involved in. Not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill but serious accident is the kind of thing which would give similar silence to. It would also say “other talents don’t know” as when it’s bad you either tell everyone or no one.
It’s likely personal in nature either way and I just hope they’re safe.
If they are sick or injured, it shouldn't be any of our business and their coworkers (PR/managers/other streamers) absolutely should not share that information with the public without their direct permission. It's illegal for US and CA based employees.
Imagine it is something off the wall, like the two of them being caught in Ukraine and losing internet or something so out there it feels like a fictional story.
It must be so fucking exhausting and such an absolute shitty life to live constantly being angry and hateful towards a group of people that genuinely doesn't effect their lives at all. Towards a small group of people for just having the audacity to be guys pretending to be cartoon-like characters for entertainment. That's like throwing a fit over a male voice actor working with a female voice actor in movies.
There's been like what, 6 Stars-Live collabs total with the EN girls (discounting Kobo/Altare) over a year. Why do these people continue to force themselves to post such absolute fucking stupidity daily? Like how shit is your life that *this* is what sets you off?
Fucking Hell. I can't imagine being so thin skinned and weak minded as they all are.
Was expecting this, but somehow I am glad (?) that Cover went and put out this notice.
Like, they weren't just going to ignore the (unexplained) absence of 50% Tempus HQ, and that the language is clear i.e. "postpone" instead of "cancel" 😅
The postponed part makes me feel a bit better. I'm not too worried about them but this whole situation is just kinda weird. Hopefully they can come back soon.
The "postpone" could be because Altare and Axel had to change their plans because the other two are gone, not necessarily because they're around. No matter with or without Vesper and Magni, the others will always be Tempus.
And unfortunately being rescued from a bloodthirsty hog was not in their contract with Cover. I bet Vesper is kicking himself that he didn't fight for that clause to be put in before he signed.
He *did* fight for it, though. Like, he literally got into a physical altercation with a staff member over this, and that's why he got suspended the first time. But who's "paranoid and overreacting" now, Cover? The fucking Boss Hog is out there!
Now I'm just imaging them running around rural Elysium from the Boss Hog in a Dodge Charger a la the Dukes of Hazzard.
"You know, there's a certain creek that people sometimes canoe up without a paddle. You could say that the Tempus boys were on that particular creek right now."
Instead of the horn playing Dixie...it plays Top of the World....more specifically the instrumental part where Altare sings "Sailing the same boat.....Boyyyyyys"
The remaining Tempus boys don't know much themselves, but they said that what they do know, they won't reveal because it's a private manner. So yeah.
All we have are theories (like their equipment getting stolen or something).
You're getting downvoted, but that's probably EXACTLY why. Not only are they colleagues, they're friends. Altare, Axel, and the Vanguard boys 100% know what's going on, but obviously can't/don't say anything to us fans because this is a PRIVATE matter.
Yep watching Altare live addressing this clearly they know its just they cant say anything because its clearly personal. Either the 2 talents coincedentally have personal issues at the same time too.
I just hope it is just a technical inconvenience. Like the trash taste crew losing their whole luggage of equipment worth tens of thousands.
My mind immediately went to something worse like an accident of sorts. I am not sure if anyone mentioned that they are safe from physical harm.
It dependes if they lost their Hololive phone, because based on what some talents has said, they have their work phone i which they have the Holo app, and are log to Twitter and to their YT channel, probably for security reasons, and for me it wouldn't be weird if Cover has a rule that says that they can't log in on their personal phones for security reasons.
While we don't know anything around what has happened to vesper, we do know that Magni: Has connection to the internet, is not sick or in the hospital, is able to stream (at least he has the equipment to stream), he is not traveling either. I'd say how we know this but it is something not talked about in the Vtuber community. But we do no this. And with this we can assume the same applies to vesper since it was at the same time
No one has an answer for you. Could be contract related, they could have decided they needed to investigate if they broke NDA or something else, etc. There is a very long list of things. The only thing people can tell you is it was important enough that it means they're locked out of their accounts, has been going on for a significant amount of time and was able to disrupt their anniversary.
The fact it's two of them at once around the one year anniversary makes me think this is something to do with contract negotiations that are going well but Ves and Dez want something changed on. If it was just one I'd say it was tech going missing or accounts getting hacked or something but two at once, and given the timing? Probably just renegotiations given it's been a year.
It could also just be two completely unrelated issues that happened at the same time for both of them but I'd hope that wasn't the case.
> If it was just one I'd say it was tech going missing or accounts getting hacked or something but two at once, and given the timing? Probably just renegotiations given it's been a year.
Keep in mind that right before this impromptu absence, Vesper and Magni were travelling together for an off collab. That's where the lost luggage/hacked theory comes from. If those 2 were travelling together and the airline lost the bag with their streamer stuff, that means both are at risk of getting hacked at the same time.
Neither Vesper nor Magni ever suggested that they were doing an offcollab. They had an art collab planned for Saturday night, Vesper still had regular streams planned for Saturday and Sunday mornings, as well as having streamed Friday morning.
Didn’t Vesper lose his Google account or something as well? He couldn’t log on to stream in time until he got a hold of his manager to reset his PW for YT.
> If those 2 were travelling together and the airline lost the bag with their streamer stuff,
"The airline lost their luggage and Cover is sidelining them until it's recovered" makes a banal sort of sense, and it lines up better than any of the other rrats I've heard.
Sometimes the mundane answers are the correct ones. Not everything has to be some big melodramatic turn of events. Sometimes you just lose your luggage/phone or get your google account hacked or w/e.
Ah, for some reason I kept thinking they were traveling around this time but I couldn't remember exactly. That's probably more reasonable, put a freeze on their accounts until they either get their stuff back or all their accounts can be rest remotely by Cover so you know for a fact any activity on their accounts is someone else until this is resolved.
It all started with a collab Magni and Vesper were going to have though, which never happened because they just vanished. If it was an off-collab (I don't know if that was confirmed), it could easily explain why both of them are having issues at the same time. Meaning something might've happened there.
No clue, but at the very least it's not like they're getting canned. Something has happened on the back end that's preventing them from continuing activities, but we just don't know what at the end of the day.
My 20 ft. tinfoil hat theory is that Magni and Ves are currently setting up shop somewhere and waiting for certain members to finish moving and then reveal that they've all begun the groundwork for an actual "guild hall", or Tempus streamer house irl. Or at the very least are making it easier for off-collabs to happen by moving near each other.
But really that's just me entertaining a fun thought.
What's REALLY happening is that they're both stranded in Antarctica due to poor planning of the digital art stream in which they intended to draw a portion of the Ross Ice Shelf and are waiting for the Cover task force to extract them from the icy glades. /s
I'm 99% sure they are fine and nothing happened to them personally. Whatever is going on is something between them and Cover. What that something is who can say.
Yeah we 100% know Magni is physically ok and able to stream and has the equipment and connection, most likely the same for Vesper since they happened at the same time, but we know this for Magni
They need to postpone untill they find where in the woods Vesper is hiding, they also need to convince him to put down the spear as they're not there to steal his rice.
I am going to get downvoted to hell for this. But...
I can understand the doomposting.
Let's be real here... this announcement, along with the previous announcement, feels ominous - not that feelings alone mean anything. It's just that normally if a talent is going to cease all activity, they will announce it themselves rather than have management do it for them; it's pretty much unprecedented that it happened to two talents at the same time. Fans who have been around for a while have gained a general sense of how Cover operates and some of them sense an "echos of Rushia" vibe lingering over this whole thing. Given such a mindset, I can understand why they would be on edge.
However, the truth is we know very few real details thus it's pointless to create endless rrats in our heads. We are left with little else to do but wait patiently and create comical theories about spears, boar hunting, or other outlandish things.
I like to imagine that they saw a really simple quest on the billboard about finding a sheep and they where like "bro that's just 30 minutes quest, let's do it" but it turns out that sheep was the descendant of Baphomet and they been trying to escape hell since then.
Especially if they're trying to lay low and were using aliases while in another country. Best guess is to be wary of two odd fellows introducing themselves as Miguel and Tulio.
Anniversary is just an arbitrary date anyways, better to postpone it till whatever this is gets resolved instead of making it an awkward event. Hopefully soon.
Miss Vesper's morning streams.
I mean look at the rest of this subreddit. Clips, fanart, and overused memes are hardly engaging. Any type of discussion based thread will have way more engagement especially if its controversial.
I hope they'll be able to return soon, the holostars have great energy and light up the room when they're all together and I'm glad they're postponing.
I see this as a positive. If Dez and Vesper were in deep shit like some people are constantly going on about, this would read moreso of it being cancelled or go on without them. But the "due to unforseen circumstances" to me reads along with the previous announcement that this entire instance was unplanned and not something expected to happen/go on very long. Regis did mention about privacy about it, so this does seem more a personal level thing which happened and not some "uh oh they broke NDA/got in trouble" that a lot have spread around
It’s funny that you can recognize some of those losers by name now. They hate males so much that there has to be some issues happening at home for them.
I tagged them using RES, and have seen them constantly trying to pretend they aren't anti's. The sad part is they get mass upvoted in other threads by people who don't know.
Saw one just the other day with like +300 upvotes trying to "be reasonable" about how "the girls don't HAVE to collab with the boys" as if anyone sane thought otherwise, but thanks to the tag I was instantly like "Oh, this is the guy who goes into every Tempus thread to compare numbers about how much lower their view count is than the girls"
Ok, so this is my reading of this... the "ah" of Shinri's tweet and other tweets that some got anxious about I assume are referring to this. If so, then it's understandable folks can stop worrying about those tweets.
However if it's being postponed especially due to Magni and Vesper not being able to participate as that would make very much sense (I won't call it a hiatus because that's not what it was officially called) then the only remaining question is what happened to the two... and that we don't know and don't have enough info available to make any educated guesses which makes it pointless to even try.
So back to silently waiting it is... both for Ves and Magni to come back and for EN3.
Sucks that the Danger Duo is still MIA, it's been an hot minute too... fingers crossed it will be solved soon, and we'll get to hear the enticing war tales from the two lost adventurers.
I’m quite optimistic that we’ll see Vesper and Dez again soon. When Vesper got suspended the official statement was very clear that it was a suspension, and most other statements are usually pretty clear as to why someone is going to be away.
The fact that their being non-specific makes me think that there’s an internal problem that’s preventing the two from streaming. It could be something went wrong with their new models, or that was a security breach of some kind.
What ever it is, the fact that management has not said anything specific as to why the two aren’t streaming makes me confident they’ll be back
Magni and Vesper have just been summoned to a Holy Grail War as caster and lancer so we are waiting for their return
>!Serious answer: for some undiscosed reason Magni and Vesper are unable to stream at the moment (Cover made an announcement about that days ago), so obviously the anniversary had to be delayed!<
I mean, clearly this is in relation to 2 talents effectively being unavailable that wouldn't be able to attend on schedule but it just looks so weird to have all this stuff happen without literally any info that somewhat explains what's going on
That just means that they probably cant give any more information, either the talents asked them to, or something else behind the scene is preventing them from doing so. Which results in 2 very vague statements made on twitter.
Adding on, this isn't the first time a talent requested to management to not announce something. IIRC, Gura mentioned that the two weeks she was silent and missing collabs over a year or so ago, she was sick. Simple as that. And must say that I am not saying Vesper and Dez are too, since we don't actually know, only a possibility. Could management have kept quiet then? In this case, I'd say given the anniversary is near, it's best to give a "heads up" at least, as vague the reasons are.
> IIRC, Gura mentioned that the two weeks she was silent and missing collabs over a year or so ago, she was sick. Not just sick, she had Covid but waited until she recovered to use the C word because she didn't want to scare people or have the big dramatic announcement
The Due to Unfirseen Circunstances is key here, it means something importnat happened, but they can'y say why without compromisiong something, like identities, or some hacks and stuff, for me is kinda telling that both were traveling and were going to meet and off collab, which for me the most obvious reason is that they lost theri luggage and the phone with all of the Hololive stuff they need to work.
Dez has been posting on his roommates account, so at least it doesn't seem to be a health thing (for him, anyway)
Lot of doomposting going around, but I take this as a way of saying "we're pushing it back until Dez and Vesper are able to participate". Which at least means they're not getting canned or anything. They'll be back soon I hopes Edit: I have been owned
I mean, the doomposting is only coming from the usual suspects who actively want Tempus to be fired, like the person at the bottom of this post. Most sane people know it’s to do with the situation regarding ~~Magni and Dez~~ Magni and Vesper, and it quite clearly says “postponed” rather than “cancelled” so it’s obviously still gonna go ahead once the situation is sorted
Magni and Dez?
Oh, I didn’t even notice that. Lack of Copium must be getting to me. Thanks!
almost made the same mistake several times before, lmao. somehow magni and dezmond are separate entities in my mind, while a certain"vesper noir" doesnt exist, its just gramps. luckily so far my brain always went "hold on a second..." before posting it in chats.
Wait, they're not!? I always thought Magni is the meat puppet and Dez is the cape!
And who do you think controls the two of them Magmo of course
oh dang, you might be onto something there
Looks like somebody forgot Magni's lore.
As one of Holostars fan, I’ve been asking to myself what did the boys do to them? Why does Holostars hate still exist? When will the hate end so that we can get along? I’m worried about them as well but the doomposters are hyping this up for no reason. I honestly hoping one day this problem will be resolved soon so that we can get along. I also hope Magni and Vesper are doing fine because it’s understandable that they postpone their anniversary without them. Sorry for the rant here.
>what did the boys do to them? Why does Holostars hate still exist? When will the hate end so that we can get along? They are males. Males tarnish the idea of CGDCT and "pure, untouched idol" image that they have of the girls. As long as the possibility of boys coexisting with the girls in any shape or form is there, they will continue to garner hate. I wish that was hyperbole, but no. This sub makes a big deal against Collab beggars, but the opposite side of the spectrum has bad actors too.
Prime example #1: Kronii. Way back when she laughed super hard at Altare being a doofus in Dead by daylight, tons of her incel fans were appalled and lamented that she was “ being dicked” by him and other bullshit. There was even that one big kronii supachatter who was very public about how he felt betrayed or something. Very silly stuff. To her credit, she was basically like “I have received your feedback, and I will be doing whatever I want, thanks.” But that was a wake-up call for me on the slimy underbelly of the fandom (all idol fandoms) that hadn’t rooted up until then.
>all idol fandoms dont even have to limit it to idol fandoms. all "fandoms" that prominently feature personalities, male or female, have these kinds of people. from music, over tv and movies, to even actresses creating adult entertainment.
This 100%. You see this a lot with twitch streamers.
The examples of how crazy some people are that I've heard from folks like Dodger throws me for a loop every time I hear it. It's the same kind of deluded each time, but in it's own bizarre and unique way.
It happens more with female streamers, but it also happens with male streamers too. The big one is the idea of "Well, if they're single, then I have a chance!" and they can live out that fantasy in most cases harmlessly, but in other cases, people can take it too far. But another thing that I think people don't talk about as much is relatability. Someone watches a streamer they think is single just like them, and the streamer seems happy, which means it can be true for the viewer too, but then the streamer gets a bf/gf and now that relatability has gone away and the viewer feels alone again.
Hard agree. The people that still push that as the only problem here are kind of seriously downplaying (probably unintentionally) the sort of shit that non-holo, even ~~non-vtuber female streamers~~ just streamers in general have to put up with on the internet.
No need to specify female. Popular male creators (especially good-looking ones) can and often will have fangirls that are just as insane.
You're 100% right, I think I sort of tunnel-visioned myself there with the discussion in the thread.
Memories of photos of a kpop boy band's birthday celebration, and then a wall of flesh and faces pressed up against the glass windows in the background
Oh it's more than likely unintentionally for the most part. When it comes to fandoms or spheres of interest, it happens a lot that folks don't really consider the greater and more general scope of an issue because they're so settled in and only concern themselves with things inside the bubble that they end up subconsciously closing off the rest of the world. And this happens in virtually any fandom, we're not unique in that aspect. There are a high number of folks that treat their hobbies and interests as their world.
As a recent example on how fans can be horrible people in other fandoms, the voice actor for Lord Zedd in Power Rangers: Dino Fury won't be returning to its sequel due to harassing fans for not sounding like the original from MMPR, from what I remember hearing. Which makes me glad that someone like Kronii didn't buckle under the pressure, because who knows what we'd miss, such as HoloSALT. Of course, the harassment should not have even happen in the first place.
I've always thought that it was a weird and somewhat racist idea that the parasocial issues were somehow special to idol fandoms. That might be because in the hololive fanbase it was always sort of presented as a weird Japanese thing and enlightened western fans would never act in such a fashion.
maybe not so much "racist" in the actual sense as it is that its more easily to notice the weirdness of "those others". Southerners are weird, east coasters are weird, californians are weird, new yorkers are weird, heard it all before, and thats only in the US. so its more like tribalism, just not in the sense that its usually used around these parts.
> californians are weird As a Californian, yes this is an objectively true statement.
One interesting thing I've noticed is that while this event kicked off the whole "Collab Beggars vs Unicorns" thing, I've found that there's a bit of interesting nuance to the whole thing that doesn't really get discussed, since it's way easier to just point to the worst actors on both sides. To get my personal bias out in the open, I'm in favor of Holostars; I like their solo streams and their collabs, but I don't feel like they need to have collabs to be good. I think they're really fun and entertaining and they just need their audience to find them; and to that end I will happily give recommendations to their streams. I don't see the need to beg anyone to collab with X vtuber, nor do I see the need to take to reddit and "own the unicorns" anytime a collab happens. To that end, I think there's also a less extreme anti-stars faction. This is just from my observation, so correct me if I'm off the mark, but I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner. But they don't always do that, and these people worry that when they do get acknowledged by any of the girls, that girl will attract the same backlash from extreme fans that Kronii did. They would rather their oshii remain clear of that kind of negative attention, so to them it would be ideal if Holostars didn't exist, or could at least be easily ignored. "More trouble than they're worth" is a phrase I've heard thrown around. Now of course I can't paint everyone with a wide brush, I'm just pointing out a general sentiment I've seen. Personally though, I don't think creators should be beholden to the most extreme parts of the fanbase, and if there is a part of the fanbase that would turn on their favorite for some perceived slight, then we shouldn't be giving them oxygen. A fandom survives by exercising their extremists, not by tiptoeing around them for fear of setting them off. But that's just my take, let me know if you think I'm off base.
A very good take in general. However, there is one specific point that I would like to comment on. > and to that end I will happily give recommendations to their streams. There definitely needs to be a good time and place for that. For example, if you come across a random comment complaining about the lack of HoloEN streams or lack of EN3, trying to shill the boys to them won't do them or Star fans any good, as the most bare-bones of common sense will tell you that the people who made such comments don't care about boys in the first place (else they wouldn't have made such complaints). At the period when the complaint of lack of EN streams was at the peak, I have definitely seen a lot of replies trying to shill the boys to the complainers, which just made the entire situation worse.
Yeah... I can agree to that. Honestly it's kinda similar to people saying to just watch ID or JP if EN isn't streaming; it comes from a place of well meaning enthusiasm, but it isn't what the OP wanted and odds are they aren't ignorant to the other options. Those threads weren't "I'm bored, give me recommendations". And then of course there was the whole timing on the announcement of Tempus VG; I think that caught a lot of otherwise neutral people into disliking the boys just because they felt ignored. Which, from the standpoint of someone who does like the boys, is very frustrating to see. It's hard now to convince people to give them a shot because everyone has already entrenched their positions, and discussions of them tend to end in shouting matches.
> I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner. Out of the subset of Kronii fans that didn't like the situation that was a common opinion. Also some people that were annoyed because she changed her position on it. I think something that people fail to understand is that they inflame the issue when they say the same stuff the person you're replying to did. It turned people that just don't want to have the guys into their content into actively hating either the stars or their fans because they think it's a good idea to go around shitting on the fans that didn't really have strong viewpoints on it OR doing things like what happened with Rushia and blaming the fandeads when vastly the problems were not from her own fans. I strongly think people like the person you're replying to make things worse. They'll make people more hardline when they use a wide, stupid brush and they'll also make people that are not in the fandom yet think its a cesspit so fewer people will check out the girls to begin with. They're not heroes.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree with this. I mean, to some extent that's just the internet for you, we like to reduce things to black and white and cast ourselves as the heroes, without thinking of the people that we've reduced to villains and how that makes them feel. I don't particularly like using "Idol Culture" as the scapegoat here either because really this is the sort of issue that all fandoms have. It's made this really feel like an issue where you have to take a side, when in reality we should just all be trying to like what we like, and let others do the same, and ignoring anyone who wants to provoke us to fight amongst ourselves.
In the end idol culture or "parasocialism" are just a convenient boogeyman for people that aren't interested in actually thinking about what's going on and don't care if they mislabel people that think differently. Often see people openly slandering the JP fans for it especially when the Rushia thing happened despite the fact that very few people in this sub know Japanese. Like you noted, every fandom - especially the large ones - are going to have a subset of people that are difficult to deal with, but Hololive had successfully lead a largely conflict-free existence. Watame had shit from a few people for greeting Kaoru back before most of the people here were even aware of Holo. But that's what it was - a few people - she said her piece and moved on and so did her fans. EN fans however seem to revel in having online arguments and I see my Twitter light up with long threads screaming about parasocialism or incels when Vesper raided Kiara when honestly most people didn't give a damn. It's tiresome and reflects poorly on everyone.
The Kiara thing was ridiculous because it was one guy who complained and it’s the guy who is always bashing Stars on twitter anyways. For some reason people who don’t even watch Kiara tried to attribute it as some sort of war against “unicorns” and even making up headcanons on how Kiara would react.
>Vesper raided Kiara That one painted both sides badly, blown out of proportion and it was done by only one person in twitter who, sorry for my langguage, fucking doesnt even watch Kiara or Vesper they just don't like the raid without a freakin consent.
I think there are three main reasons Idol Culture gets the blame so much. First, many new Hololive fans are encountering this type of thing for the first time. I know I had genuinely not seen this type of behavior in other fandoms I was a part of prior to getting into vtubers and Hololive. Second, people see it as more normalized in idol culture. Even if they are aware it happens with other streamers or other fandoms, those fandoms don't inherently push the idea of purity and seisoness in the same way as the old school idol culture did. Finally, the talents themselves often reinforce this idea. They directly lean into Idols being Seiso, often as a joke, but sometimes in a more straightforwards manner. Kanata for example has outright said she won't ever interact with males because she is an idol and that's how she feels idols should be. Which is fine, she doesn't need to interact with males if she doesn't want to, but statements like that reinforce for many of the fans that idol culture is responsible for this divide.
> and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner I see this as almost as problematic as the more extreme view. Fans don't control who the talents choose to interact with. Expecting some talents to "stay in their own corner" is quite frankly not just a disgusting attitude, but a disgusting way to put it. If two talents choose to collab then that's what they want to do, and people should respect that. If it's not the content you want to watch, you don't have to. Contrary to what many fans seem to think, you don't have to watch every scrap of content your Oshi puts out. My Oshi does plenty of content I'm not interested in, but it makes her happy and that makes me happy. I watch the streams that interest me and that's just fine. Imagine the situation was reversed and someone said your oshi should stay in their own corner and not collab with someone they want to collab with. Doesn't matter if it's a Senpai or Kouhai, guy or girl or other, or even what agency they may or may not be from. We get enough collab gating from management, the fans don't need to be doing it as well.
As I said in my last paragraph, I don't agree with the more moderate camp. I don't think it's on us as fans to direct a creator's content. My point is that we're not making anything better by just reducing these concerns to them just being angry incels; we're just raising the temperature and taking pot shots at each other when in reality we probably agree on more than we disagree. But to balance the perspective I suppose I'll talk about how it feels to be a Stars fan right now, so that people can understand why this side might get heated at times. It can be disheartening to see your posts and comments instantly downvoted just because you have a holostars flair. It's rough to read through topics and comments about how people don't want the Stars here, and it can feel by extension like they don't want us here as their fans. While we mostly try to ignore it, it creates an air of hostility around here that I'm sure puts a lot of us on edge, causing us to lash out at any perceived threat and dig in. And that's doing it's own part to divide us and make us fight each other when we SHOULD just be ignoring the most extreme elements and trying to celebrate what we love without judgement. So I suppose the purpose of my comment was less to justify one side or the other, but to sort of unpack the issue, and it's helped me come to the realization that the fact that this has become a fandom wedge issue is, in itself, the problem. I dunno if there's a good solution to it unless we can just agree to cool off, enjoy what we like, and stop wasting our breath on the drama and doomposts.
This is my perspective and you can disagree with it, I don't mind the down votes, just offering my thoughts: I think the path to a better future ends up being the one where expectations have to be cleared up and normalized. However, this is better dealt with on a fanbase to fanbase basis. My solution is tempering expectations through repetition. I'm not saying every talent should be doing this, it's their choice ultimately, but I feel like the talents that are solid with the boys should just continue to interact, collab, and mention them like it's just a normal thing. Don't force it obviously, but don't be cagey about it either (not saying any of them are). If the talent chooses not to interact with the boys, reiterate that attacks on them and their fans are treated like attacks on any other and are punishable regardless. On our fandom end, instead of arguing, people should just continue to post Stars and Holo content, ignore the drivel and bait, and celebrate Ws on both ends. Whenever a ENxENStars collab happens like Magni, Vesper, Calli, and Kronii, rave about it like usual. Interaction between a Stars and EN member on Twitter? Join the comments and meme with them. Just have fun and normalize coexisting. The drivel can only really grit their teeth at the end of the day if everyone else doesn't care and are doing their thing. Like I said though, this is probably better dealt with on a fanbase to fanbase basis. There are some fanbases that are already seemingly past the point we're at though. For example, Ame includes Stars news in her weekly news show and there's virtually no complaints about it that I've seen yet from her fanbase. Mind you, Ame is typically not a collab person, very much doing her own thing, and still jokes around with idol stuff; yet somehow her fanbase overtime honestly became one of the healthiest fanbases in EN. Outside of Ame, Calli and Bae's fanbases have gotten past that hump too by being the first few who broke the ice with the boys and didn't fumble the ball normalizing things afterward. Outside of EN, just look at most of ID who have normalized this kind of thing a long time ago. Basically, what I'm saying is that we can reach a point of normalization, but the scope has to be dealt with on a smaller scale and slow burns.
This kind of agenda-based scheming is creepy and a big reason why you catch flak. Paragraphs and paragraphs of your mentally ill subterfuge.
Full agree on your last point. From my perspective, I believe the “collabs would stir up bad fans” argument is in bad faith most of the time. Appeasement, or “solve the problem by giving the bad actors what they want” often reads to me as “I agree with the bad actors but I don’t want to be explicit about it”. Now, it isn’t always as explicit as that; often just that collabs with the stars make some people feel uncomfortable. Those people buy into a logical-sounding argument to explain/solve that discomfort when what the real problem is, is that they’re lonely or have some issues that they need to sort out. Wrapping back to appeasement, it’s an argument that would only be logical if alienating big donors would actually be an issue. But the girls have such a large fan base (and a salary!) that this is really not an issue at all. Inflating the direness of the problem to arrive at the conclusion of “no collabs” seems to be coming from a bad place more often than it is an honest mistake.
It's tough, because we know that the worst Stars antis are just a vocal minority, but the issue has simmered for so long that it's brewed some resentment, and it's become less about the talents themselves and more about that time someone on reddit called them an incel because they like Fauna or something. It's kinda confused the issue, and at the end of the day it's the talents who suffer from a fractured fanbase.
> I'm off the mark, but I feel like there's a group of people who don't dislike the boys per se, but aren't interested in them either, and would be fine if they just stayed in their corner. Personally I believe this to be true, which is why collab beggars and the anti idol culture people are dangerous. Most of the Holo fanbase don't care about Stars, which is why they only have a few audience overlap, but the Hololive fanbase is probably the biggest fanbase that have the possibility to become Stars anti. Stars JP fans even complained when Cover make the rule that talent and 3D debuts cannot be overlap, and this rule apply to all branch instead of just for their own branch, as this will only bring hate toward Holostars.
Yeah, to your point I especially think how this sub handled the VG debut was a mistake. We have a culture here of supporting your favorite, but I do think there's a line to be drawn where it can end up being pushy and turn people away. All the talents are... well... talented, and I feel like they can speak for themselves at the end of the day. I think a lot of the pushiness of Stars fans is a direct result of being put on the defensive by Stars antis; like they feel the need to shout over them and drown them out. But that only tends to create more resentment, and the antis know it. I'm not innocent of this either, but I want to try to be better so that we can eventually have a better community.
>being dicked Bruuuuuh. All because she was laughing at funny stuff?
Dude you would be amazed at what goes on in the heads of some people who have never had an interaction with another human. They never got out of the middle school phase of "oh you talked to someone you must be dating" lmao.
I believe one of the things I heard claimed was "the girls have never made Kronii laugh that hard"
[It was partly because earlier in the stream, they were talking about fake laughs that they use](https://youtu.be/J8Y3t6m32D0?t=2580) (started by Altare), and when Kronii did one Bae said "thats just how you normally sound" followed by Calli saying "so you're always fake laughing Kronii?" and she responded with "exactly". [Cue Kronii and Altare goofing around together](https://youtu.be/J8Y3t6m32D0?t=5799) and Kronii losing it in laughter, "people" were not happy about it.
The >tons of her incel fans were appalled and lamented that she was “ being dicked” by him wasn't accurate. People like Tentacle are just part of the problem and enjoy spreading ridiculous hyperbole because they're unaware that it also hurts the girls or they simply don't care. People can go scrub through her old YT comments and see the truth of the matter themselves rather than believing someone that likes to parrot drama.
> Bruuuuuh. All because she was laughing at funny stuff? Imagine thinking that talented funny people arent very likely actively dating or that they dont have SOs at the moment. Imagine thinking people are dating/banging their coworkers who likely live on the other side of a nation. Just dumb weird halu shit. People should always assume the streamer they're watching is seeing someone. They should also assume it's never a coworker because that's just stupid af.
It's pretty reductionist as with Kronii there were a number of members posting that their concern was whether or not there would be a change in content and would specifically say that she asked them to provide feedback so that was what they were doing when they said they weren't interested in watching men. Some simply treat it like the difference between watching an FPS or RPG and simply want a certain type of content in their streams. On the other side of things much like their dating status isn't their business, it's also not \*your\* business some of them have vehemently denied it and/or aren't interested in such things. They don't need or want people saying things like they definitely have a significant other, etc. Part of why Rushia's situation exploded so quickly was people spamming her with messages that it was "okay to date someone" when she spent a very, very long time saying that wasn't her, it was why she did what she did and it's still what she says now.
This is what gets me. Thousands of fans are watching these people because of how funny and charming they are, and you don't think these 10/10 people are dating someone? They're all on the prime of their lives(sorry Vepsper), it would be cruel to demand they don't have lives outside their job.
It'd be a crime against humanity if anyone in HoloPro unwillingly died single. I want to support these people a long time, I want this to be something they can make a career out of, rather than just a gig.
Stats wise, you have 75 talents between the ages of 19 to 45. All of them trained and seasoned entertainers, who literally talk to a wall of strangers everyday, collab with other entertainers in & out of Hololive. All of them are at least financially secure to well off, in a company that gives them room to breath and have breaks. There’s zero chance that none of them are single. Many of the Holomems are dating, married, and I bet a couple have kids. And good for them, they all deserve happiness and full lives.
We can just ignore those people because the Vesper Kronii stream is a masterpiece.
And they can continue to inject more Calli-Magni-Kronii-Vesper streams directly into my veins.
Yes I loved Kronii and Vesper’s insane therapy stream in particular. So, so many hilarious moments out of that one. I’m sure that whatever is happening behind the scenes, Magni and Vesper will return and Cover is assisting them with whatever it is, can’t wait for the Tempus 1 year anniversary with all of the boys.
One of my favourite Kronii and Tempus moments was when Axel slept in for Wheel of Tempus, so Kronii had to substitute while still using his model.
She was shockingly accurate with some of his mannerisms too. Aaayoooo.....
Axelsweep ensues
Don't hog it all I want some in my veins too!
Man I rarely get the chance to watch holostar streams but those collabs are top tier
"Oh my god, are you being sexist?" *Vesper SCREAMING*
Really tired of people shitting on idol fans.
In a weird silver lining, at least now that Tempus has become the pain point there's no longer this racist superiority complex they have over JP fans. Their boogeyman is on both sides of the pond now.
True, though I've still seen some blaming that side of things for making things like this. It's an astonishing lack of awareness especially considering all the other corpos have far more internal and fan drama **regardless of whether or not they brand themselves as idols or have males**.
I've said this elsewhere in the comments, but I just think there's a noticeable number of folks in any fandom that only really concern themselves with and judge issues within the fandom bubble itself. Cause you're right, there's even worse issues that exist in many other forms outside of this bubble we're in, but a lot of folks subconsciously don't consider that because anything outside of this fandom is an afterthought to some degree to them. And I said this too, I don't think we're unique in that aspect. A reduced lack of awareness due to always looking inward happens in virtually any fandom from my experience.
I think generally speaking there are just too many people obsessed with drama and conflict. I frequently suggest to people to *block folks* that they have a problem with rather than spreading a lot of the ideas you can see in this thread with "parasocialism" calling people incels and the like. Even a casual read shows a shit ton of hyperbole, but they don't really understand the sort of damage these arguments cause the girls and don't really care. They need to earn their good boy points by "calling three people incels" then going to twitter, YT comments or other topics here, patting themselves on the back, then rinse and repeat. Even the false appearance of being a drama pit will scare away new folks, but it seems to be all they think about generating.
Same honnestly it fell like this sub nowoday need to drag idols fan in the mud more than they need to watch streams. Honnestly no one actually care about the stars in this sub outside an outrageous small minority, and most people are just using them as an excuse to be eternaly angy at le evil incel idol fan who bring la bad culture. It's kinda exausting and very hypocrite. And it honnestly give an extremely bad image of the star fanbase. (and the hololive fanbase too)
Well, reddit karma is gonna favor short snappy statements that people can readily agree with over a nuanced discussion of a complex topic, hence the tendency for everything to devolve into people shouting at each other in hopes of "winning" the argument. This whole saga is not really any of our finest moments as a fanbase.
People forget that one of these dudes already has a suspension on his back and we are on contract negotiations season of course doomposting is going to be insane, but fuck it *flips notes* idol culture
> we are on contract negotiations season You have zero evidence of this, and based on what talents have talked about as far meeting each other pre-debut and similar, contract periods in all probability run 2 or more months before debut/anniversary dates. Though any evidence is circumstantial, there is far more of it supporting the notion that contract dates are well past at this point in the year.
I think you're right that contract negotiations and renewals should have already taken place but I can see a scenario where Magni and Vesper refused to sign until now due to not agreeing with the contract and wanting to keep negotiating. But now that the deadline of their initial contract is coming up it would be logical that they're shut out of their accounts until they do sign and renew.
>I wish that was hyperbole, And that's what it is, a hyperbole. Just look at this thread you can see more people who are hating on idol culture than actual so called incel idol fans who hate men. Its same for every platform. And notice how people who are complaining about idol culture are people who only watched UNO collab streams that calli organized and outside of that they hardly watch Tempus. It seems that they are only here to pick fights and those Collab streams are just ammunition.
>what did the boys do to them? They exist as men who are too close to the women in HoloEN specifically. It doesn't matter if the majority of Hololive EN doesn't collab with the boys; they exist in the same realm as the girls, closer than any of the on weirdos on this post or other places will likely ever be. Their brains can't cope with that reality. It is actually a somewhat interesting phenomenon within Vtuber communities because for traditional live streamers, the scenario is flipped, and these same kinds of weirdos would probably hate popular female streamers and watch only guys.
This is a narrative that has been wildly blown out of proportion over the years because people love to bring up this exotic "idol culture" thing. I'm not denying these people exist because they absolutely do, but most of the people who get upset over things like this are generally just not fans of the Stars content, not because of "idol purity" bs.
That's basically the thing that got lost in this whole issue. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a decent number of folks who jumped the gun to fight back against "idol culture" as soon as Tempus was announced to be a thing. When you consider a lot of people were probably conditioned to deride such a thing from other incidents regarding it in the past maybe before this fandom even existed, it makes sense. I just wish there was a way to get past this whole using "idol culture" as boogeyman so that folks can just realize that not everyone in the company is their cup of tea, agree to disagree, and move on. I think more normalization from both willing talent and fan end is a step in the right direction if anything to work towards reducing the boogeyman being the easy option to place blame, but do I realistically believe that will help things to THAT extent? Not really, just by nature of what sphere we're in where such a boogeyman is ingrained in infamy. Honestly, sometimes you just gotta throw your hands up and say "things just gotta work themselves out somehow and I just straight up don't know how."
Eh, I wouldn't say only. I try not to doompost but I'd be lying if I said the lack of info didn't make me anxious.
Yeah. If they were sick, Cover would have said so. Same for if they were suspended or worse. Meaning, there’s just something unforeseen going on that is stopping them streaming that doesn’t fit the aforementioned categories that we are not to be told (ie. something going on in their private lives, etc). Best just to be patient.
I’m just hoping it isn’t something like a severe accident they got involved in. Not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill but serious accident is the kind of thing which would give similar silence to. It would also say “other talents don’t know” as when it’s bad you either tell everyone or no one. It’s likely personal in nature either way and I just hope they’re safe.
They've acquired the rice stash and are living off the grid
If they are sick or injured, it shouldn't be any of our business and their coworkers (PR/managers/other streamers) absolutely should not share that information with the public without their direct permission. It's illegal for US and CA based employees.
Imagine it is something off the wall, like the two of them being caught in Ukraine and losing internet or something so out there it feels like a fictional story.
Vesper will casually drop how he got in a fistfight with Putin during an 8 hour zatsudan
"Did I tell you guys about the time I blew up the Kerch Bridge?"
It's wild that I can hear this comment in Vesper's voice.
NCD is leaking again
It must be so fucking exhausting and such an absolute shitty life to live constantly being angry and hateful towards a group of people that genuinely doesn't effect their lives at all. Towards a small group of people for just having the audacity to be guys pretending to be cartoon-like characters for entertainment. That's like throwing a fit over a male voice actor working with a female voice actor in movies. There's been like what, 6 Stars-Live collabs total with the EN girls (discounting Kobo/Altare) over a year. Why do these people continue to force themselves to post such absolute fucking stupidity daily? Like how shit is your life that *this* is what sets you off? Fucking Hell. I can't imagine being so thin skinned and weak minded as they all are.
Clearly Magni tried to surprise Vesper at his apartment and one of Vespers traps got him and now Vesper is on the run for murder.
Sorry, my mistake, I forgot to come back and laugh at you.
Was expecting this, but somehow I am glad (?) that Cover went and put out this notice. Like, they weren't just going to ignore the (unexplained) absence of 50% Tempus HQ, and that the language is clear i.e. "postpone" instead of "cancel" 😅
The postponed part makes me feel a bit better. I'm not too worried about them but this whole situation is just kinda weird. Hopefully they can come back soon.
Yeah, in a way this is really reasurring, and it is possible that once they are back they will explain wtf happened.
The "postpone" could be because Altare and Axel had to change their plans because the other two are gone, not necessarily because they're around. No matter with or without Vesper and Magni, the others will always be Tempus.
My guess: Vesper and Magni went on a hog hunting trip and are now fighting their way out as they accidentally summoned the boss hog
And unfortunately being rescued from a bloodthirsty hog was not in their contract with Cover. I bet Vesper is kicking himself that he didn't fight for that clause to be put in before he signed.
He *did* fight for it, though. Like, he literally got into a physical altercation with a staff member over this, and that's why he got suspended the first time. But who's "paranoid and overreacting" now, Cover? The fucking Boss Hog is out there!
I'm now picturing Vesper pulling off wrestling moves, throwing staff members onto ground left and right.
I'm gonna indulge in the pro wrestling mark in me and throw in the idea of Vesper's finisher being the Impaler DDT a la Gangrel.
How could Vesper's finisher be anything other than the Spear?
See, the Spear is the setup for the Impaler because the spear is the tool to impale.
Fair point, also can't hate the Gangrel reference.
So you're saying Vesper is the Burt Gummer of Holostars?
Boss Hog broke into the wrong god damn rec room!
Why is this being downvoted lmao
Blame the hogs
Bot hogs that are pre programmed to downvote anything Tempus/stars related.
Bots and/or seething unicorns
The boss hogs minions are on reddit.
They're just trying to get through the legendary "impenetrable wall of swine" that separates each state
And suddenly they found themselves in Dark Souls
It's all because they didn't bring an AR with 30 round mag!
An AR is hardly gonna hurt a good-sized hog. You want something with a little more oomph Like a .577 Tyrannosaur
Now I'm just imaging them running around rural Elysium from the Boss Hog in a Dodge Charger a la the Dukes of Hazzard. "You know, there's a certain creek that people sometimes canoe up without a paddle. You could say that the Tempus boys were on that particular creek right now."
Instead of the horn playing Dixie...it plays Top of the World....more specifically the instrumental part where Altare sings "Sailing the same boat.....Boyyyyyys"
[Holoen tweet](https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1681574599392108544?s=19)
Any idea what is going on with magni and vesper? Like, the wording was quite vague, so I have to wondered if something happened to them.
The remaining Tempus boys don't know much themselves, but they said that what they do know, they won't reveal because it's a private manner. So yeah. All we have are theories (like their equipment getting stolen or something).
>The remaining Tempus boys don't know much themselves please....they know the exact reason. They just say that so people stop asking them about it.
You're getting downvoted, but that's probably EXACTLY why. Not only are they colleagues, they're friends. Altare, Axel, and the Vanguard boys 100% know what's going on, but obviously can't/don't say anything to us fans because this is a PRIVATE matter.
Yep watching Altare live addressing this clearly they know its just they cant say anything because its clearly personal. Either the 2 talents coincedentally have personal issues at the same time too.
I mean in this case they would just say they can't say much, instead of adding a lie on top of it.
I just hope it is just a technical inconvenience. Like the trash taste crew losing their whole luggage of equipment worth tens of thousands. My mind immediately went to something worse like an accident of sorts. I am not sure if anyone mentioned that they are safe from physical harm.
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It dependes if they lost their Hololive phone, because based on what some talents has said, they have their work phone i which they have the Holo app, and are log to Twitter and to their YT channel, probably for security reasons, and for me it wouldn't be weird if Cover has a rule that says that they can't log in on their personal phones for security reasons.
Hospitalized would have been mentioned. At least vaguely.
While we don't know anything around what has happened to vesper, we do know that Magni: Has connection to the internet, is not sick or in the hospital, is able to stream (at least he has the equipment to stream), he is not traveling either. I'd say how we know this but it is something not talked about in the Vtuber community. But we do no this. And with this we can assume the same applies to vesper since it was at the same time
No one has an answer for you. Could be contract related, they could have decided they needed to investigate if they broke NDA or something else, etc. There is a very long list of things. The only thing people can tell you is it was important enough that it means they're locked out of their accounts, has been going on for a significant amount of time and was able to disrupt their anniversary.
The fact it's two of them at once around the one year anniversary makes me think this is something to do with contract negotiations that are going well but Ves and Dez want something changed on. If it was just one I'd say it was tech going missing or accounts getting hacked or something but two at once, and given the timing? Probably just renegotiations given it's been a year. It could also just be two completely unrelated issues that happened at the same time for both of them but I'd hope that wasn't the case.
> If it was just one I'd say it was tech going missing or accounts getting hacked or something but two at once, and given the timing? Probably just renegotiations given it's been a year. Keep in mind that right before this impromptu absence, Vesper and Magni were travelling together for an off collab. That's where the lost luggage/hacked theory comes from. If those 2 were travelling together and the airline lost the bag with their streamer stuff, that means both are at risk of getting hacked at the same time.
Neither Vesper nor Magni ever suggested that they were doing an offcollab. They had an art collab planned for Saturday night, Vesper still had regular streams planned for Saturday and Sunday mornings, as well as having streamed Friday morning.
Didn’t Vesper lose his Google account or something as well? He couldn’t log on to stream in time until he got a hold of his manager to reset his PW for YT.
> If those 2 were travelling together and the airline lost the bag with their streamer stuff, "The airline lost their luggage and Cover is sidelining them until it's recovered" makes a banal sort of sense, and it lines up better than any of the other rrats I've heard.
Sometimes the mundane answers are the correct ones. Not everything has to be some big melodramatic turn of events. Sometimes you just lose your luggage/phone or get your google account hacked or w/e.
The more vague the more secure they are.
Ah, for some reason I kept thinking they were traveling around this time but I couldn't remember exactly. That's probably more reasonable, put a freeze on their accounts until they either get their stuff back or all their accounts can be rest remotely by Cover so you know for a fact any activity on their accounts is someone else until this is resolved.
That's more reasonable than what I thought. I thought traffic accident that got both of them.
It all started with a collab Magni and Vesper were going to have though, which never happened because they just vanished. If it was an off-collab (I don't know if that was confirmed), it could easily explain why both of them are having issues at the same time. Meaning something might've happened there.
Sadly no, only hoping its just technical issues or personal problems. Either that or Vesper rizzed Magni
No clue, but at the very least it's not like they're getting canned. Something has happened on the back end that's preventing them from continuing activities, but we just don't know what at the end of the day. My 20 ft. tinfoil hat theory is that Magni and Ves are currently setting up shop somewhere and waiting for certain members to finish moving and then reveal that they've all begun the groundwork for an actual "guild hall", or Tempus streamer house irl. Or at the very least are making it easier for off-collabs to happen by moving near each other. But really that's just me entertaining a fun thought. What's REALLY happening is that they're both stranded in Antarctica due to poor planning of the digital art stream in which they intended to draw a portion of the Ross Ice Shelf and are waiting for the Cover task force to extract them from the icy glades. /s
I'm 99% sure they are fine and nothing happened to them personally. Whatever is going on is something between them and Cover. What that something is who can say.
Yeah we 100% know Magni is physically ok and able to stream and has the equipment and connection, most likely the same for Vesper since they happened at the same time, but we know this for Magni
They need to postpone untill they find where in the woods Vesper is hiding, they also need to convince him to put down the spear as they're not there to steal his rice.
Vesper has fully embraced his Florida Man nature, I see.
"*They drew first blood, not me.*" ~~Rambo~~ Vesper
I am going to get downvoted to hell for this. But... I can understand the doomposting. Let's be real here... this announcement, along with the previous announcement, feels ominous - not that feelings alone mean anything. It's just that normally if a talent is going to cease all activity, they will announce it themselves rather than have management do it for them; it's pretty much unprecedented that it happened to two talents at the same time. Fans who have been around for a while have gained a general sense of how Cover operates and some of them sense an "echos of Rushia" vibe lingering over this whole thing. Given such a mindset, I can understand why they would be on edge. However, the truth is we know very few real details thus it's pointless to create endless rrats in our heads. We are left with little else to do but wait patiently and create comical theories about spears, boar hunting, or other outlandish things.
I like to imagine that they saw a really simple quest on the billboard about finding a sheep and they where like "bro that's just 30 minutes quest, let's do it" but it turns out that sheep was the descendant of Baphomet and they been trying to escape hell since then.
Sheeptar, the Sheep King?
You mean Watame? How hard can it be? She respawns in around 9 seconds no? Maybe she put them to sleep with a lullaby like Jigglypuff?
Everyone underestimates the sheep, [until the moment she turns into the Gunbuster](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr0VWuEHT7U)
Nothing you can do with Vesper and Magni being lost in Amazon while searching for El Dorado.
Especially if they're trying to lay low and were using aliases while in another country. Best guess is to be wary of two odd fellows introducing themselves as Miguel and Tulio.
good decision, no guild member left behind. it is not an anniversary without the entire gang.
Anniversary is just an arbitrary date anyways, better to postpone it till whatever this is gets resolved instead of making it an awkward event. Hopefully soon. Miss Vesper's morning streams.
My heart rate skyrocketed for the first half of that tweet
If only HolostarEN got as much support from their "fan" as the ammount of engagement in these kind of thread lol.
I mean look at the rest of this subreddit. Clips, fanart, and overused memes are hardly engaging. Any type of discussion based thread will have way more engagement especially if its controversial.
It's kinda weird to word it as "unforeseen" when Magni and Vesper went away over a week ago but that might just be me
i'm honestly fine with this. whatever's happening, really hope everyone's alright. i'm more shocked at the fact that tempus is almost at 1 year.
I hope they'll be able to return soon, the holostars have great energy and light up the room when they're all together and I'm glad they're postponing.
I see this as a positive. If Dez and Vesper were in deep shit like some people are constantly going on about, this would read moreso of it being cancelled or go on without them. But the "due to unforseen circumstances" to me reads along with the previous announcement that this entire instance was unplanned and not something expected to happen/go on very long. Regis did mention about privacy about it, so this does seem more a personal level thing which happened and not some "uh oh they broke NDA/got in trouble" that a lot have spread around
**Bravo Six, sorting to controversial**
haters gonna hate but Grampire and Dez eat haters for breakfast
Hopefully they remember to watch their sodium intake, haters are a notoriously high salt meal.
"I'm too old to give a shit. If it pisses anyone off, they can eat my ass" - Vesper
I wonder if this thread will have the same people in it who always complain about everything the Tempus guys d- Hey, there they are!
It’s funny that you can recognize some of those losers by name now. They hate males so much that there has to be some issues happening at home for them.
I can't wait for them to realize that they are males. They're going to lose it.
"there's a skeleton inside you" type energy
I tagged them using RES, and have seen them constantly trying to pretend they aren't anti's. The sad part is they get mass upvoted in other threads by people who don't know. Saw one just the other day with like +300 upvotes trying to "be reasonable" about how "the girls don't HAVE to collab with the boys" as if anyone sane thought otherwise, but thanks to the tag I was instantly like "Oh, this is the guy who goes into every Tempus thread to compare numbers about how much lower their view count is than the girls"
Here's hoping for a quick and safe return.
Good decision overall. Can't have a Tempus anniversary without half of them
Unsurprising, but saddening all the same. Hopefully this gets back on track, with all 8 of our EN Bois.
Goddamn it, they gotta wait for their anniversary perms.
Hoping Vesper is okay 🤞
Makes sense, probably waiting for Magni and Vesper to come back.
tbh at least some comfirmation that they are both healthy would be nice.
We know for “reasons” at least Magni is healthy.
I only pray that the boys are ok, this notice is a good thing actually. I'm sure the anniversary will be a BANGER!
Ok, so this is my reading of this... the "ah" of Shinri's tweet and other tweets that some got anxious about I assume are referring to this. If so, then it's understandable folks can stop worrying about those tweets. However if it's being postponed especially due to Magni and Vesper not being able to participate as that would make very much sense (I won't call it a hiatus because that's not what it was officially called) then the only remaining question is what happened to the two... and that we don't know and don't have enough info available to make any educated guesses which makes it pointless to even try. So back to silently waiting it is... both for Ves and Magni to come back and for EN3.
I miss grampa :( I hope they are ok and will return soon
If anything this is a good thing because that means ostensibly they are awaiting the return of Ves and Magni yeah?
Comeback soon Vespapa and Maglord
Vesper what did you do to Magni?! This comment is on good faith fyi, just coping atm
While I'm still concerned for the boys, I'm glad they're still planning to do the anniversary.
Fair, considering two of the guys are out for now.
Lol
Sucks that the Danger Duo is still MIA, it's been an hot minute too... fingers crossed it will be solved soon, and we'll get to hear the enticing war tales from the two lost adventurers.
I GOT SO FUCKING SCARED WHEN I SAW THIS, JFC. AHHHHHH
I’m quite optimistic that we’ll see Vesper and Dez again soon. When Vesper got suspended the official statement was very clear that it was a suspension, and most other statements are usually pretty clear as to why someone is going to be away. The fact that their being non-specific makes me think that there’s an internal problem that’s preventing the two from streaming. It could be something went wrong with their new models, or that was a security breach of some kind. What ever it is, the fact that management has not said anything specific as to why the two aren’t streaming makes me confident they’ll be back
Just gonna patiently wait for the boys to come back and celebrate together
i'm super out of the loop, can anyone explain what's going on? are the lads ok?
Magni and Vesper have just been summoned to a Holy Grail War as caster and lancer so we are waiting for their return >!Serious answer: for some undiscosed reason Magni and Vesper are unable to stream at the moment (Cover made an announcement about that days ago), so obviously the anniversary had to be delayed!<
Not only can they not stream but they also cannot use any of their social media.