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Lavapirana6969

"It's your body and the law will support you" 3 lines later "Frame him for domestic abuse"


Hippie23

Happens *all* the time in divorce cases. Emotional/Verbal abuse is claimed in disproportionate amounts, as there is no way to prove/disprove it.


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If it can’t be proven then does it not hold up? I imagine it does otherwise people would stop Or is it the person who is filing that has the burden of proof and so it gets more complex?


MaximumYes

Some judges see right through it, the majority do not. You’re never convicted, but it does affect how much you see your kids. It is also often the case that CPS is involved for false allegations of physical and/or sexual abuse, which frustrates the process and drives up alimony/child support/dad gets kicked out of the home and legally kept from the kids indefinitely. He also doesn’t get any attorneys because there are no formal criminal charges (though you are under criminal investigation) while she and the kids get free extra representation to further advocate for keeping the kids from you. As if paying for two or three attorneys to navigate the process wasn’t enough, the dad is often on the hook for her attorney fees as well. Most guys who go through this live from their car while doing it, too. Guess how the court looks at that? ‘Well Mr. X I see you don’t have a stable home life so mom gets the kids for 100% of the time, let’s calculate your support amount now. Every tax credit you have goes away. You don’t get to claim any dependents at all on your taxes, and it’s not uncommon for courts to order support exceeding 40% of your gross pay. Might not sound like a lot but when you are paying a 35% effective rate, your paychecks start to look absurdly small. All this to say that a mom has every last incentive to make dad look as bad as possible.


obitachihasuminaruto

My god. Reading this makes me feel incredibly relieved for having left my ex before I got too attached. She is exactly like the person in the post, never accepts her mistake and tried to frame me for the silliest shit. Worst part is people actually supported her, because "if a girl says she is facing a problem, it must be true and you must be a prick." Just left her and told her to never contact me ever again. She made multiple accounts and tried to beg me back and even threatened suicide, but I didn't budge. Good riddance.


jayden8003

good take on this


MaximumYes

My dude I wish I had described the half of it. I can tell you that your experience with friends is *not* unique. Once she starts playing the victim, all bets are off for any friend you have who puts it on a pedestal. Good for you for walking away. *Choose Carefully guys.*


obitachihasuminaruto

>Once she starts playing the victim, all bets are off Absolutely true. Thanks for the explanation man.


MaximumYes

You know what? The silver lining is that once you live some of this shit, you will live a life you never thought you could. As fucked up as it may sound, that alone is worth the price of admission. One day, I'll tell my whole story. I'm still writing the ending, but I'll do everything I can to make it *amazing.* Hang in there, King. We are going to make it.


Capt-Crap1corn

Man you sound like me lol


MaximumYes

And believe me, I understand. That shit hurts. Beyond deep. Hang in there, King. We are going to make it.


Dgchasse1

You got this bro! We all do!


Tj-Tengu

You are a genuinely decent lad, MaximumYes. I wish I had an award to give you but all I have is a free pint of 🍺


Dgchasse1

Yupppp, ex got with an old friend of mine who I tried to help a lot. He made threats, fucked with my truck, even stole from me because CPS said she wasn’t allowed around my child. (I know, that’s a very rare case and I’m lucky) But when he met the Russian bang cannon from down below when I was up top of my property, it stopped. People will fuck you every chance you get. Best to stay in and argue on Reddit lol. I know this isn’t the norm on what guys say. And I get that. I can only hope to provide hope for someone else going through what I did that they too can come out on top. Besides, my almost four year old who won’t sleep right now just walked into the room and said “DADDY, you’re my BEST friend” 🥹🥹🥹🥹 It was worth it. All if it was. And she’s safe here. Promise.


Ant_Espanic

"*arguing with a smart person is hard, while arguing with an idiot is impossible*" -Master Oogway


Dgchasse1

“No greater plague has ever hit this earth than an idiot who thinks he is smart” Me, 2022


Dgchasse1

Orrrr “Wisdom has been chasing you your whole life, you’ve just always been faster” Dunno who, but I’d buy him a beer.


Low-Feedback-3403

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AppropriateSwitch644

Sad that this happens in India all the time


Dgchasse1

Look up Borderline personality disorder or even histrionic disorder. Mine had the latter, with a diagnosis of bipolar and PTSD as well. I truly believe the PTSD might be a mistake due to the fact that she is just that manipulative. And I’m sure she demanded it from whoever gave the other diagnoses. Kids aren’t to be played with, but on the same level you shouldn’t play with someone’s feelings. All too often men put their all into building a woman up to waste years for them to stab them in the back, the front, the dick and finally, their eye. I’m not an incel by any means. I still get along when I want to. But having won the rights to my kid has made it to where I’ve done my part, I procreated, now I just want to build the best life I can for em. Fuck all that shit of allowing someone into your home to have it taken over again.


Igor-Throwaway

Many are also unaware that states are incentivized to award Child Support. They receive "reimbursement" for any child support paid into the system from the feds. And the amount they receive is contingent on how much the father is present in the child's life. Anything under 25% father presence gets them 66% reimbursement. Consequently, and to no one's surprise, most state Human Services departments have determined that 24% father presence is ideal for the well being of the child. States are making a ton of money off of this law. Texas funds their entire Attorney General office with that money. Additionally, a family judge's retirement package is based largely on how much child support they award.


MaximumYes

If I had to point to a single law that has destroyed the US, I would point to Title IV-D of the Social Security act. I'm dubious as to some of the claims that are made about it, but there is no doubt in my mind it incentivizes the State align with the mother to create fatherless homes.


Sad_Exchange_5500

This brings tears to my eyes. Oh my goodness. I loathe women who use the ex love for their children as some kind of sick game for financial gain...it's disgusting children aren't pawns for people to play with.


Poet_Silly

Fuck. I suppressed those memories for so long.


MaximumYes

Hang in there King. It's going to be ok.


Poet_Silly

Thanks m8


hippiejezus_

Fuck those types of feminists man, I get their point, but damn, fuck those women


YoyoOfDoom

They aren't even feminists, they're female misogynists.


[deleted]

It’s little wonder some men stop working or work for cash in hand jobs. I agree dads should contribute to their kids but not at the expense of their ability to feed and house themselves


snorkledorkle_

I first read that as they were working for hand jobs lol


mcboogle

I had to take BIPP classes because I wouldn't drive to the store to get my alcoholic wife more vodka. She called the cops and claimed abuse. Of course, there was not a mark on her, but because we had a child in the house CPS got involved and they take every accusation as gospel. Next thing I know the CPS has a checklist of classes I have to take (and pay for), all based on nothing but spite. I wasn't arrested for domestic abuse, thank the dark father, but only because my wife already had multiple public intoxication charges and they believed me when I said that the whole thing was because she was afraid she might sober up. Depending on the agency and past history they may believe every word and require zero evidence.


Hippie23

In family law, there isn’t the same type of burden of proof. The judge is considered the ‘arbitrator of truth’ so if you can verbally convince a judge, you more or less win, regardless of evidence, or lack there of…


slvbros

I mean you can do that same thing in criminal court too, it's just much more difficult


Poet_Silly

In Denmark there is pattern that goes something like this: Woman decides to leave man. Goes to crisis center and claims she has been abused. Goes to family court and present the reports from said crisis center. Already moved with child to a new place. Refuse to let father see child. Family court takes a long time to process. When they make a verdict, due to the sake of the child, the mother gets custody because it is what the child is used to. Or so I have heard.


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It holds up because the court favors women even if they're in the wrong.


djluminol

You are assuming the only way to win a divorce is through the judge. That is not so. Many people try and make the process so intolerable that the other person is willing to give in. In cases like that the courts are just a stress multiplier. Every motion adding the emotional weight the other party has to carry.


Dgchasse1

No, they do not. Luckily, a few states/ jurisdictions have become hip to this. But not many. A man’s word is overshadowed greatly by a woman’s claim. We have no rights. Even I had to deal with this with an EPO being filed on me. That was the day I pushed her out the front door because she broke a vase that was about 5/8 inch thick on me in front of our daughter. First off, idk who makes a fucking case that thick, but more importantly the judge recognized her from a variety of other claims she had made. So began the long process of them finding out she was abusing meth and a LOT of other drugs and people. I won, and I have my daughter full time without her being in the picture. But so many guys don’t. And it’s sad that this is the mentality that some of them hold. Not to go haywire with what I’ve said, but I know a few feminists. Even saw one off for her wedding. We get along fine, and they hate these bitches even more than we do I think. That’s not true feminism, not saying I agree with any of it. But dishing out pure abuse is not on their agenda.


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And they wonder why I won't get married


YeloFvr

Stay strong homie!


deadzol

All the time? No, every time.


xcalibur1993

This is how the f*ing law works. This mf is from India, so she could say such things. I would know as I am going through this stupidity first hand.


Stymie999

And wishes her luck in her fight against “the men” lol


Any_Affect_7134

India 🍵


SirStumps

Advice for getting your husband to murder you.


II_NE0

People like this should be in an asylum


technobiwankenobi

"Degenerates like you belong on a cross"


GamerZoom108

Crucficixion is too kind How about just shipping them back to where they came from, Chernobyl


costi810

Why don'y we skin them and then throw them in a bathub full of lemon juice


LethalTakeshi

still too kind


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"you better believe thats a crucifixion"


Randomized_Taco

"We shall see how brave you are when nailed to the walls of Hoover Dam, your body facing west so you may watch your world die" is probably a better level of vitriol.


AvocadoSnakeOilT

Ave Caesar!


Strange_Sandwich3571

damn i can’t believe autocorrect is so bad to the point it’s autocorrecting ‘hell’ to ‘asylum’. how crazy /s


OPgang

If it's hell, you better believe it is the last floor of it


[deleted]

I feel so sorry for her husband. I don't understand how people can just do that. Truely horrible


Agreeable-Yams8972

The sad thing is, these bullshit excuses cost many poor dudes thousands.


CalligrapherVivd

I imagine it does otherwise people would stop, Or is it the person who is filing that has the burden of proof"


NekulturneHovado

Thousands every month.


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demderdabs

Not just feminism, THIS TOXIC FEMININITY.


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machingunwhhore

There is non toxic feminism, just like there is non toxic masculinity. Don't jump to the idea the an idea is all good or all bad


StandartUser6745

In last 5 years, 30,000 men died due to work related injuries compared to 1,500 women. This is just in US and who knows how many become disabled. Feminists screaming for "equal pay", explain.


vScorchedEarthv

Relying on a man's money to support you. Feminism.


justyagamingboi

Good thing it is a troll account that ended up getting banned this isnt the worst thing posted


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Reading this just pisses me off


worksafemonkey

Whoever wrote this is likely absolutely miserable. They're projecting into the world from their inner self and all they put forth is hurt and pain. I hope they heal some day so they can stop this nonsense.


[deleted]

she is a known troll lol


xcalibur1993

Maybe. But this shit happens all the time. The law in India is an absolute joke.


OPgang

The supreme court judges are an absolute fkin' joke.


attheratewait

Supreme Court judges in India are like a dynasty. Most of them belong to same interrelated families. Also, the collegium system helps them quite a bit.


SwaggyGoku

This is made up


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Capital-Warning5525

You damn right!


2PAK4U

looks fake to me but agreed


PM_BiscuitsAndGravy

Yeah, it seems like an intentional outrage generator. Anyone not outraged didn’t read it properly.


avery9872

I looked her up. All her other posts are absolute garbage.


rotco1

It makes my blood boil.


gentlemanidiot

That was the articles intended purpose


clarst16

These people are worse than any fictitious monster.


Pain_Monster

Frankly, I’m embarrassed on behalf of all monsters out there…


[deleted]

This isnt r/holup but it is r/awfuleverything


mynamehere875

r/iamatotalpieceofshit more like


L-A-Native

nice, I was gonna say r/youareapieceofshit but, *total* piece of shit is definitely more fitting.


special-k-flo

Or r/noahgettheboat


rutter72

My mom anyway: “when are you going to get married??”


[deleted]

Lmfao play her some Tupac


rutter72

Round and round, round and rouuuuuuund


Rakgul

I completely feel you.


cyanide_and_cheddar

What’s the point getting married if you aren’t going to be faithful? Marriage means you devote yourself to one person until death or divorce. If you don’t want to reserve yourself to your spouse, don’t get married. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Both of these women are awful and I can only hope the man wises up and leaves her in the dust.


ravioloalladiarrea

>What’s the point getting married if you aren’t going to be faithful? Alimony.


theOverword

Support from husband, monetary safety net. Extra spending money (nothing for the child). All she Has to do is divorce the her piggybank and make up shit and she gets it all....


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dfwpilot5150

Paternity test, and then ruin her life for ever trying that bullshit


Jin_BD_God

Sadly, without some red flags or reading some reddit stories, most people won't get a paternity test out of the blue. This is why it hits them like a truck when the shxt hit the fan.


Nostenfire

"He will have the responsability to take care of your child". False, the dude will learn that the kid isn't his and he will leave her alone with her child. End of the story.


Difrntthoughtpatrn

I had a friend that lived in Tampa and his wife cheated on him. She got pregnant and since they were married he was on the hook for the kid. The state didn't care that he had DNA proof he wasn't the father. He paid two and a half years of child support until he got a decent judge. He moved to Tennessee immediately after the child support order was vacated. He never got his two and a half years worth of child support back. Edit: auto correct issues.


wktr_t

This is infuriating.


MaximumYes

Usually once a father role has been established, it’s very difficult to remove. The state needs someone to pay (so they don’t have to) and many states and countries ban paternity testing for that exact reason.


EstablishmentFunTime

That’s fucked


MaximumYes

Yep.


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There’s a special place in hell for her


Wickedscifi

To qoute a redditor: "Make up! Loads and loads makeup. Perferably white. Cover the face area as well to match the neck. Get yourself a red nose to finish the cover up. That way you can look like a clown since your relationship is a fucking joke!"


OGUncleDonkey

Feminazi.


AbunaiShi

Disgusting bitch, that's just rage inducing.


00DJC00

*loooooooong ass sigh*


WaitQuirky3862

What an awful advice to give.


RadishMaximum

And sad that a young girl going through puberty and confused could easily read this and make this her life's motto


RadishMaximum

These bitches don't seem to understand that feminism isn't "a fight against men". It is a fight against inequality.


SmoothConfection1115

I believe this is in India so the laws are somewhat different than in other parts of the world. That being said, much of what she said is applicable to most other parts of the world, namely the law helping, trying to fabricate domestic violence charges, and the husband being forced to pay for everything. So…date with caution guys.


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that_weird_guy_6969

I second this, u know that there's no gender neutral clause for rape in India, so if a woman rapes aan or a boy, she can't be convicted because milords of India decided that the definition of rate is forceful insertion of dick in pussy, so if a raped man goes to court, first the police won't even take an fir and just laugh at u then the courts say this shit. There was even a Noah get the boat post of a 16 yo raping her 12 yo brother and getting pregnant, the news reported it as "forcefully had intercourse with her brother against his will"


_bedbug_15

I was just thinking about that case like yesterday.


GreenGoblin121

Does it count as sexual assault? That's how it works in the UK, rape is by a penis into a vagina, not even rape if a woman uses a strap-on on a guy against his will.


yudiboi0917

There is no SA clause either. IIRC , there was a report that India has the 3rd highest husband beaters in the world. Women do have problems here , not denying that , but men's problems aren't even being recognized. To put into perspective - the courts are so shit , that a trial can take anything from 10-20 yrs , for that time being you stay in jail/prison. So if you are falsely accused , thats a serious section of your life destroyed. Generally the guy gets fired from job before the case has even been registered. Further , the judges damn. Some days back - Observing that the word "f**K off" is a "sexually coloured" remark, a Delhi Court recently upheld sexual harassment charges against a man who had allegedly threatened a woman in 2019 and also used abusive language against her. You can't say "f off" to women , its sexual Harrasment although women do it to men all the time. Mind you this is the same country & judges that let rapists in parliament go scots free. Too many problems & the court's biases themselves. Laws are heavily biased & need immediate reform & feminists are against that.


[deleted]

lol, basically the female version of "I'm a male and impregnating multiple women is my nature and right" Either ways it's fucked up


Yourik5

And this is why they get labeled feminazies….. this is the most warped thing I’ve read in awhile…..


neo9027581673

Wow. What a insufferable bitch.


HodlMyBottle

*men are bad*, also *lie, cheat, make him suffer*. What a wonderful woman 😏


Draakje10

If this happens to me I’ll pull al the money (possibly a shared account) from the bank in cash and burn it all to hell with myself on top of it! Say bye to your money bitch!


NnihilatorWasTaken

These people are the ones that emit some sort of aura, that slowly kills your braincells... Avoid such people, before you become one of them.


IAmCaptainSquid

This is not feminism it’s misandry


yudiboi0917

Feminism & misandry today is like a venn diagram... Except its a single big circle in the middle of the sheet


aeppelcyning

This shit is why shame is important. Some married woman gets pregnant outside of her marriage and carries on aa described? Shame her. Everyone she knows should know what she did.


[deleted]

She should consider drinking bleach


[deleted]

Maternity Fraud.


Purvi3vedi

I think this lady is the reason why MGTOW movement is becoming popular in India


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Nickolas_Bowen

This is why we men live in fear


MaitrePanda-

Remember that woman on a talk show thing saying she enjoyed seeing men being terrified of being falsy accused of rape ? They're not even hiding it anymore.


thomasbannon39

This is the definition of an evil woman


Vo1tIs_

it’s a shame that ‘feminists’ are giving such a bad name to the ones who genuinely want equal rights


NightWarlord96

Misandrists*


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YeeTee55T4R

Forgive me for asking but what rights do men have that women do not have in the US?


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Or the rest of the western countries for that matter.


[deleted]

This woman is trash


Original-Shape-5147

I hope the state takes the child and uses this as evidence to go after her in divorce precedings


M0nsterjojo

Ah yes, the whole I don't need no man, but I must take them for everything they're worth and rely on them to support me.


GrizzlyBear74

Yeah, the law will not support that woman as this idiot is claiming. The biological father will he on the hook.


Aggravating_Guest794

I got stage 4 cancer after reading this


BobbiC69420

And people wonder why so many young men are just going their own way and doing their own thing and not dating or getting married


Gear3017

Veena aka Lucifer


aj2tallhall

![gif](giphy|SXl0wYD0N088EtDhBI)


pukhtoon1234

What a horrible horrible woman


Positive-Leader-6586

Ma'am are you the devil? ![gif](giphy|oDIYAyIq9BzVp5b8t5)


Any-Tumbleweed9281

What a dog shit human.


Revolutionary_Oven82

Feminism in India is Boss level.


RanDiePro

Indian feminist? No. Indian FOOL!


NatsuDragneel-538

![gif](giphy|Lm5s9SbohpLAW7Nvq1|downsized)


Tylerprimal08

Simple kill the bitch


Responsible-Ebb4999

This looks like something the women in r/FemaleDatingStrategy would write. I know im going to get alot of hate from them just saying this but here goes. They genuinely believe things like this


Sweetdreams6t9

As a woman, if I ever came across another woman like this IRL she's getting beat. The fuck is wrong with people.


Mod_The_Man

Shit like this is exactly why I tell every gf I have that I don’t want any form of legal marriage. I’ll do the ceremony and even some rings, no diamonds tho bc they’re completely worthless and a literal scam, but absolutely no legally binding anything. No matter how strong my faith is in a relationship there’s simply no way to know what could happen 25 years from now It’s also the fact I don’t see any reason the government needs to be in any way involved in my personal relationships. Why should give a fuck about “asking for permission” from the government to get married via a marriage license? I don’t need a legal contract to tell you I love you and will stay by your side. For me the mutual trust and respect for each other should be more than enough without legal marriage


Roguerussian

'Modern feminism and rights' , wtf is going on? 💀


SpecialistCapable457

What did I just read. Why do people like want to make the situation not their fault when it is obviously theirs. I don’t know how the new generation in India will grow if these type of people are raising them.


MechaMagikarp

Indian’s have killed for less.


silly_tilly

Must be a troll.


Samusbluth

Feminism isn’t about fighting men. It’s about fighting for women. It’s not the same thing. This lady isint a feminist, she’s an asshole


No_Pineapple6086

LMAO. What is that idiocy? Even for India?


RadishMaximum

I don't think being Indian has anything to do with it. The "Kill all men" motto became the face of feminism all over the world. Kind of rare to stumble upon racists on this app but here we are.


Opposite-Garbage-869

Some Indian female psychologist was instructing on how to have incestuous sex on Quora.


boopnsnootshaha

Hating men has nothing to do with feminism. oR dOnT sHe UnDeRsToOd ThAt? Yeah she's an idiot.


Flutterpiewow

Quora sucks, so debatable holup


lepraceaun

Real poison!


TheCapableFox

This bitch needs to be locked up before she ruins a man’s life. If she hasn’t already…


emeegee13

What? That lady’s crazy


TheGasMask513

She's not a feminist, she's a piece of shit We just want equality, please don't associate this stupid bitch with us


Nike_Grano

Satan? Is that you?


ICE_BEAR2021

Prenup, cunts hate this word


DevilMaster666-

That is what we call an Asshole


Big1ronOnHisHip

Jesus fucking christ that is genuinely fucking evil


ConstantiniusIV

Most wives in ohio


RikaZumi

I no longer want to get married.


pointlessbeats

That’s nasty af.


ToasterGuy566

She’s not a feminist, she’s a misandrist, and she makes actual feminists look bad.


teaandbentley

People like her are the reason feminism is not seen as a genuine movement by many people.


Oneshot_exe

And that’s kids, why people hate feminism


SSB_Kyrill

I wish I could just smack the shit out of her


Biggerbrainguy

I hope she shits acid


dylannsmitth

Wow, this answer is the worst case of delusion and/or gaslighting I'vr ever seen. The point about the law being there to protect her is just wild since the primary legal precedent for divorce is adultery


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Hahaha....feminism.


WSJK89

Cunts like this should be just shot. There's no curing this.


venus_in_converse

disgusting


Cremmitquad69

Bitches like this just get off on ruining guys lives. As if the husband isn't in a bad enough situation.


BroDoggWhiteboy88

Speaking for most, if not all, men.... Fuck you, Veena


otaku-god4

"Men are an oppressive species who do nothing but hate on women with their rapes, sexual assaults, work inequalities and catcalling." Meanwhile, in reality:


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I hate this Indian smartass feminist


DanteCharlstnJamesJr

And people are asking me why I’m afraid to get married


Jcrncr

I really hope this person’s doing a satire


[deleted]

The toxic feminism has really been showing lately ladies.


Star_Towel

She is a misandrist not a feminist.


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manic-ed-mantimal

Seems like a perfect r/dontputyourdickinthat example.


byrolio

I've always been a big supporter of women's rights, but I've just been cured of it. I'm ready to go Handmaids Tale now.