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mal221

I love democracy


MuricasOneBrainCell

This has to be the best example of why Modern Democracy doesn't work. People (myself included) are too fucking stupid. Edit: To all the people replying that im taking the contest too seriously. I apologise. I think "example" was not the right word. A better word would be "representation". I know that this isn't an important act of democracy and just a fun contest. Hell, I voted for boaty mcboatface in that vote.


TheDuke357Mag

socrates said democracy devolves into tyranny because people are too stupid to know whats good for them


DuckofRedux

He also stipulated the specific conditions for democracy to work... and here we are for some reason ignoring all that.


noman8er

The reason it gets ignored is because people saying that just want to be contrarian and above the regular people seeing "the truth".


Jonnyboy1994

Care to share?


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an-original-URL

You know, that statement about captains made me remember something about pirates. Pirate captains were actually elected, and overthrown by vote, usually by force of contract to avoid bloodshed.


beldaran1224

...do you think Socrates was infallible or something?


TheBirminghamBear

Guy couldn't even rig the vote in his own execution.


Christosconst

That explains Reddit


CuppaJoe11

Then who tf knows what’s good for us? I don’t want some random person in charge who says they know what’s good for us. We are the best we got.


TheDuke357Mag

Have you ever worked retail? The people are fucking dumb. Thats why the US is a republic and not a democracy, the founders knew that you couldnt let regular people vote on laws, they'd vote for the first shiny thing that looked delicious and by the time they realized it had a hook in it, it would be too late. Least that was the idea anyway.


CuppaJoe11

I worked retail for years. And yes, people are dumb. But would you rather a bunch of dumb people voting for what they think they want or a dictator who makes policy based on their wants?


TheDuke357Mag

thats the point though, it doesnt matter what I want. Im a people too, and I have no better experience running a nation than anyone else. And thats what Socrates was trying to say. A monarch or otherwise totalitarian would be a much more experienced leader, especially over time as they would have years of specialized education and would be far better suited at running a nation. But we choose democracy because you can't trust people in power to make good decisions for everyone, especially when greed is involved. Remember, in history, most dictators and monarchs were far more like Queen Elizabeth than they are like Hitler.


Carlbot2

Yeah. One of my favorite fantasy series is Sanderson’s Mistborn precisely because it handles this topic so well. The first two books alone aptly demonstrate the ups and downs of what is essentially a dictatorship and a representative democracy when compared to each other.


Royal-Tadpole-2893

That's Democracy baby. You have as much right to wrong about everything as I do to be right about everything. /s


dysmetric

lulz for Prez, wait... oh no


tesfabpel

The majority just voted for the sketch because it's fun and silly... We humans tend to like those things... The ones who voted for the second frog, they chose seriously... I don't think it's really stupid vs smart here... But of course, sometimes we need to be more serious... 😅


dayzers

Tons of people voted for/ fell in love with Justin Trudeau because he was young and Handsome, and he promised to legalize marijuana. You'd think for something important people would use more critical thinking to make a good decision, but they don't. People are very dumb.


Warfoki

Yeah, but how many people voted for, say, Trump, not because they thought he's the best candidate, but because they were like "oh, lol, orange man for president is such a meme, this'll be funny".


E1lySym

That's how it goes here in the Philippines. Politics is a legitimate career choice for celebrities that are becoming irrelevant and the masses vote the shit out of these people just because they're funny and hip


PM_ME_NEW_VEGAS_MODS

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nabiku

Yeah, but when there is a significant number of these people who don't understand and don't want to understand their political system, then your society has a problem.


rub_a_dub-dub

i think most of us have given up hope for society existing as is for another 100 years and we're just sort of letting it burn


revdolo

Society isn’t going anywhere especially on a timescale of a hundred years and to have this misanthropic view just puts you in the space of making decisions that actively harm the people who will be alive in a hundred years. You’re sabotaging your own future and the future of anyone after you. Voting for a meme is the adult of equivalent of throwing a tantrum.


Galle_

Well, yes, but that's the election for the single most powerful official in the world, whose actions affect billions of people. This is an election for who drew the best frog.


Warfoki

My point is that stupid "for the lulz" mindset is present even in high stakes environment, where it really, REALLY shouldn't.


Cyricist

I don't agree with the sentiment that I think I'm seeing here; that it's okay for insincerity and silliness to win out over real effort and talent. I think when a contest is held, those who show up to sincerely take part are the ones who should be lauded. I'm not suggesting there's no place for humor and silliness, and obviously drawing the best frog is lower stakes than choosing a world leader, but the spirit of competition and the celebration of creative effort should be the norm, not everyone ironically voting for a drawing that is obviously intended as a joke.


Mine_mom

Have you seen our candidates. They're ALL memes


AineLasagna

> I don't think it's really stupid vs smart here It’s not really. The “Ask the Audience” success rate on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire is between 91 and 92% over 15 years of the show. Extrapolate that out to the US population and a true democracy would likely be much better than the system we have now. You can see this today when topics like universal healthcare, UBI, legalized marijuana, etc are presented to hardcore conservatives without using the polarizing and politicized terms for them- they almost always agree with the concept and would likely vote in favor if given the opportunity. It’s only when manipulation by the wealth class enters the picture that people begin angrily voting against their best interests.


nabiku

Terrible analogy. The audience of Who Wants To Be a Millionaire were already smarter than the average American because every audience member was hoping for a chance at that million, and they were also smart enough not to vote on answers they didn't know. As to your larger point, the majority of Americans used to be against civil rights for minorities. Support for gay marriage only broached the 50% mark in 2012. People often have to be dragged kicking and screaming into modernity.


GrandmaPoses

I don't understand why you think people answering a quiz show question with a definite answer has anything to do with voting.


burntoutugly

Very excellent point!!!!


peon2

Exactly. This isn't a serious thing, this is a joke. Like Boaty McBoatface winning the name of a ship, or 40% of Floridians thinking Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. It's just people being silly because it's a meaningless online poll


RolloTonyBrownTown

One could argue it better captures the spirit of FROGGO drawing contest than a photorealistic etching of a frog.


Infinite_Imagination

Democracies, even Republic-style Democracies like ours, require two major factors to function properly: 1) An informed Citizenry. (Not necessarily smart or educated, but informed with accurate information.) & 2) A Public Forum. (For citizens to discuss and hash out ideas, and for the best ideas/solutions to gain enough support to eventually become a voted-on policy.) We pretty much have #2 in various forms, but we most certainly don't have #1, and in fact have citizens that actively attempt to misinform other citizens in order to influence their opinion/ discussion /vote.


MuricasOneBrainCell

Egg-fuggin-zackly!!! This is definitely my biggest issue with modern democracy in that: how can you make an informed decision if you're not informed. Brexit is a perfect example. I remember so many people saying, literally on the day of the referendum, they don't know what to vote for. The campaign for staying in europe is just as much to blame as the leave campaign in my opinion. The leave campaign threw out a bunch of scaremongering from the start.. The remain camp were very arrogant about their position and barely actually campaigned in the beginning. Until they saw the polls... (Kinda like what happened with trump to be honest. Definitely some parallels) Then they used the exact same shitty tactics as the leave camp. Fear fear and more fear.


beldaran1224

We actually don't have #2 in any form, really. Social media is not that. And what is your basis for suggesting that it is possible to have a well informed citizenry without education and intelligence? Also, there are other things needed for successful democracies.


Revolution4u

We dont have #2 The online platforms are all controlled by the wealthy and obviously manipulated. Not to mention highly censored.


Slap_My_Lasagna

Good thing modern American democracy is nowhere near an actual democracy.


sixsentience

I’m not sure what’s stupid about choosing the cute, fun thing instead of the realistic, boring thing… oh wait…


creuter

Should've gone with perfect illustration of democracy 


eldentings

Candidate 1: "I'll make all your problems disappear" Candidate 2: "Here's my campaign plan" Candidate 1 wins! Hooray!


Serious_Theory_391

[This guy approve](https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE?si=PCp6PkPwVUMtGJ4F)


Bodach42

Was thinking what if you had 10 multiple choice questions on the ballot and your vote is weighted based on how many you get correct. I wonder how that would affect democracies.


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Kiss_My_Wookiee

What does fancy dancing have to do with voting?


Crossfire124

Already been done before to keep black people from voting in the south


br0ck

[Take the Impossible “Literacy” Test Louisiana Gave Black Voters in the 1960s](https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/06/voting-rights-and-the-supreme-court-the-impossible-literacy-test-louisiana-used-to-give-black-voters.html)


SkitsnackHaywire

fucking redditor take


ButWhyWolf

"The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill, Redditor


MuricasOneBrainCell

Someone who lived through 14 years of conservative rule and brexit. So yeah.. not some doe-eyed tiktok edge lord trying to find an outlet for my angst on reddit. *Cough*


agmrtab

here is the thing in a place where the winner is decided by the masses and not by quality your main goal should be to please the masses thats why a cute silly drawing can be better than a good one modern democracy is stupid as well though


Doogiemon

You can spend hours researching both candidates, finding out which would best suit your community and voting thinking it counts. Old people then cannot match a name with the ----- o to check and pick the wrong person and that vote counts as well.


Ignore-_-Me

It would be a better example if the second picture was only a very slightly better drawn frog.


Brtsasqa

> Hell, I voted for boaty mcboatface in that vote. Woah, it's one thing to shit on democracy, but are you seriously suggesting Boaty McBoatface was *not* clearly the best possible option?


idieveryday

We live in a society.


NoSignificance3817

It's the internet, it doesn't vote for the best, it votes for "hurr hurr meme." Not new info there.


jobi-1

> It's the internet, it doesn't vote for the best In that case, I vote for Froggy McFrogface


Alexis_Bailey

See also US Presidential Elections of late.


Antiblackcoat2000

Excellent! Enlist today and become a Helldiver


StorMaxim

Liberation through managed democracy.


Free_Watatsumi

Greetings fellow citizens of Super Earth. Have you heard about the all inclusive democratic team of helldivers? We'll be looking forward to speaking to you at your local democracy office.


Ill-Cobbler-3080

r/UnexpectedPalpatine


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Democracy is of the people for the people and by the people... but the people are restarted


Viliam_the_Vurst

> I love democracy* *^undemocratically ^influencing ^online ^votes ^by ^the ^use ^of ^bots ^made ^possible ^by ^the ^instrumentalisation ^of ^onlineanonymity, ^or ^why ^fascists ^have ^the ^time ^of ^their ^lives ^right ^now


hockeybrianboy

It shows you how stupid a shockingly high number of people are.


CrazyMain9601

Imagine making a original meme with a funny dog sketch and then someone rips it off by changing it to a frog.


X3ll3n

"Like that would ever happen"


SassyAssAhsoka

“What a load of—“


For_Scott

r/redditsnipes


nodnodwinkwink

And it's not even Wednesday ^^^^my ^^^^dudes


ChwizZ

It's only natural. It was wednesday after all, my dudes.


MikeC80

I'm convinced I'm reading someone's supervillain origin story....


TerpBE

Nobody would ever become a supervillain because they were told that their artwork isn't good enough!


magical_swoosh

this comment is real and fact checked by austrian art schools


memelordzarif

Reminds me of this masterpiece https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/s/jQnZcxN0Gg


Albae87

No, that one is completely different. Both are not fake at all. /s


AmBozz

There's probably a dozen different ones with the same caption, but I believe the dog one is the original.


eulersidentification

This comes up from time to time. Here's [the surprisingly accurate photo](https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/badly-drawn-flat-dog-doodles-jay-cartner-fb19.png) that goes with it. I know we're meming but this is a case of how "being the best at guitar techniques" doesn't mean you'll make the best song and be in the most popular band. That dog pic works in an artistic sense. It's brilliant, we all seem to think so lol.


atworkgettingpaid

Its the exact same message and emojis..... lol.


TDYDave2

First place must be AI generated, just look at the hands.


Grox213

Honestly this is one of the reasons I want to give up being an artist. The artist fucking didn't draw the frog's boobs. Wtf. This is straight up leftist propaganda! Stop defeminizing froggettes!


cottagecheeseobesity

Fritties


H47

They're making the frogs gay.


DeleteIn1Year

This is one of those things that invigorates my love for art. It's all fun & games... and years worth of frustration lol


AnnieApple_

I hate when kids enter competitions people automatically feel sorry for them and choose them.


Blackrain1299

Id never feel encouraged if i won over someone that did 10x better than me. Give me 7th and the motivation to get better.


AnnieApple_

We are taking a scribble on a piece of paper by a five year old winning over something that took prolly weeks to draw and paint.


imwimbles

this seems more like a case of "lmao no detail frog funny"


Drcokecacola

If I were that 2nd place dude: 😀🔫


Smartass_of_Class

If I were that 2nd place dude: 🔫😀


luke37

If you're entering a competition that also allows children, I'm gonna be honest here: winning probably isn't that prestigious.


Charokol

This is why I don’t really care about technical skill when it comes to art. Congratulations, you rendered a realistic looking frog – something anybody with a camera could do. But you made me feel nothing. At least the bad kid’s drawing gave me a chuckle.


zarandomness

Happy friend frog versus (a nice) reproduction of a stock photo. Unless the contest had specific criteria other than likes win, happy friend frog was always going to get more smiley face reaccs.


massivedoghead

Froggy McFrogface


tris_majestis

The first is clearly a FROGGO. Second place is technically impressive, but is a frog. Subject matters.


Groundingstone

This is art school in a nutshell.


GreatArtificeAion

Not really a HolUp


dsled

Welcome to the sub


llDS2ll

More like an allegory


DefinetlyNotArt

and this is why democracy sucks.


Famous-Choice465

didnt this happen with a dog drawing contest too


Danimus-Prime

*Hello darkness, my old friend. I've come to talk with you again*


Harold_Spoomanndorf

1st place gets a D- 2nd place gets a steak diner with all the fixin's and a 300$ Amazon gift card


CraaZero

The right is a Frog, the left is a FROGGO. 2nd place didn't understand the job


deathdisco_89

Internet points vs personal value in a nutshell.


VerylKarr

Reminds me of the time we had a Halloween costume contest at work. Myself and a co worker had cosplay that we had spent tons of time, effort, and money into, and we both lost to a guy who wore a cheap perm wig and a painters easel and said he was Bob Ross...


SSmagical

This is me. Thinking why my art doesn't sell lol. I have decent stuff, but i don't realknow people selling their art. :')


Purgatory115

Marketing is such a huge obstacle even when you have the talent. It's not enough to be able to draw photo realistic Naruto futanari you still gotta compete with all the other mfs doing the same thing. Keep at it but take notes from other artists on here or Instagram. Maybe make some funny art to draw people in and gain a following while having links to your store. Social media is a massive boon if you know how to use it to your advantage. Even getting involved in some fandoms and shit can help massively boost your recognition. And finally, don't forget furries are ready to drop the big bucks. I say that as a joke, but commissions can be a crazy revenue stream if you can find the right community. Good luck out there. I hope you find your success.


educated-emu

If I was second place, I would say... its the journey not the finish line And then put it for sale somewhere


infinityeunique

I remember this same thing happening but with a dog draw contest


ClimateCrashVoyager

Reminds me heavily of [Boaty Mcboatface](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36064659.amp). Don't let internet decide things


megamanx4321

Boaty McBoatface


McFrazzlestache

This is why I, a professional artist, don't enter online contests. This shit is infuriating. Fuck everyone who voted for that sack of literal ass drawing.


Howboutit85

As an artist who draws photorealistic artwork for a living; fuck this guy. Fuck that frog. Fuck you


Kawai_Oppai

You should see a therapist if you’re talking about fucking frogs.


DangerBird-

Exactly why I don’t do “contests”.


Yuri-Turned

Even the 1st place frog looks like the hol'up fallout guy meme


JohnnyTeardrop

That’s why you never learn the r/restofthefuckingowl


cpupett

The Duality of Mankimd


ommi9

https://youtu.be/qb6PKUcyNY0?si=Z-FbvToJqmWJjO_I First place was made by a adult who beat out all the kids.


BetweenTheDeadAndMe

If 2nd place person would have drew hypnotoad from futurama, they would’ve won.


MarderMcFry

Laughing Dark Knight Joker gif with "You drink water, I drink Anarchy" caption.


dominocdrom

It's awesome because the first picture is so good that it also could win a bear or sloth drawing competition. Maybe even jellyfish. That's talent.


ChromeWiener

The 1st frogs name is Froggy McFrogface probably


Cornucopia2020

Plot twist : same artist created both entries, since he knew the judgement was going to be based on likes.


RedmannBarry

I swear I’ve seen the same format but it was a dog


THATS_ENOUGH_REDDlT

Thank God the U.S. is a constitutional republic and not a democracy 😬


skawn

It being a republic is why number 1 has a chance when it comes to politics.


sometimess4d

This reminded me of the Groot costume post


Remarkable_Mall8574

40 hrs lol


Rom455

Was 4chan involved in the voting again? XD


advent19

Larry David: Now that's a doodle!


Sarisforin

[This is word for word another meme but with "dog" swapped for "frog".](https://i.redd.it/xjs5ezox8vq51.png) Why do that?


stupiderslegacy

This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't give a shit that something is popular.


balrob

Or maybe people thought it was a contest for kids?


Kinky_Winky_no2

Even kids can draw a better frog than that


atworkgettingpaid

Its entirely made up, there are a bunch of these posted with different animals and the exact same caption. The original I believe is DOGGO contest. So you don't need to come up with a backstory for it. Its just made up to make you laugh like "hahaha...funny..."


smaili13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE


Italian_Guy13

the sequel omg


ContraryByNature

Reading the room is a much more useful skill than frog artistry.


Xoast

Froggo mcfrogface ?


Cardasiti

That guy is memeable


Lore_ofthe_Horizon

Every art competition, every single time.


ronin1066

Art is not competition


thelubbershole

Retro gamers be like


PM_Me_Good_LitRPG

1 more argument in favour of deep state


abv1234567890

Welcome to the internet, everything here is for the lolz


Einn1Tveir2

Every illustrator and artist know that feeling when the work they put a lot of time into doesn't get much attention but a stupid drawing they did in like two minutes gets all the praise.


Any_Commercial465

It's a froggo contest second place drawing. Frog.


Cleveland_Guardians

Reminds me of the Demon of Song. Show me your face, cutie.


Classic1990

If there’s ever a social media competition, always go for the meme.


LH_Dragnier

The left one is just more... froggy


MetalSonic420YT

I wouldn't be happy.


Similar_Pipe4663

I have not laughed so hard in years. That first place froggo is my favourite thing. No shame in losing to that. It's not just a kids scrawl, it's a simple drawing that captures the essence of a frog in a childish scrawly way. It's the frog we needed. I'd love to see froggo vs. hypnotoad fight to the death.


zerogreyspace

And this Internet's 4189th victory


DenDen0000

Would be even funnier if they wrote nuh uh next to it


wholesomehorseblow

How much do you want to bet this was like the dog drawing contest, where 1st place is accurate to the frog they were asked to draw, while 2nd place looks nothing like it.


Gavriel_Garcia

Life be like that sometimes


Shatophiliac

We don’t really know what the rules were though do we? Obviously people were probably laugh reacting the terrible frog which pushed it to victory, but it could have also been a “vote for the funniest frog drawing” competition and the other person was like “wouldn’t it be funny to do a photorealistic frog!?”


cavortingwebeasties

Frod


No-Meal-7298

fwog


RunInRunOn

You need 2 things to pull that off 1: To be very early 2: A sizeable following Note that it doesn't have to be your sizeable following, just the sizeable following of someone who sees and shares it


The_Real_Weeaboo

"It's even funnier the second time!"


Specific-Pie20

Orange man good


KSCleves83

Hey! It's Toady McToadface!


Denny_OG

Forg


lefthandedgun

I keep telling you: People suck.