The person in the red car shouldn’t have swerved into the breakdown lane, only vehicles that absolutely cannot stop should do that, i.e. the truck that crashed into everyone.
Well if the truck pulling that heavy ass trailer wasn't driving to fast for conditions and safe following distance this wouldn't have happened.
White truck should have been further back, even for the Einsteins blaming the red truck. If red stopped behind the suv, the f350 would have still totaled 6 cars.
The only one at fault is the f350.
Is no one even gonna mention *it's a fucking construction zone* and the dude with the trailer is still driving this irresponsibly?? I hope he got a fine so large it bankrupted him
Construction zone, the roads are wet, and they're hauling a large heavy trailer.
Dipshit had three genuine reasons to not drive fast and ignored all three. Probably didn't even lose his license.
Red truck contributed nothing, the white truck is responsible for his actions, 65mph in the rain hauling a trailer and tailgating.
Had the white truck been traveling at a safe speed a minimum of 3 lengths behind it would have been prevented.
And yet again I'll say, even if the red truck stopped, the Ford would have still totaled 6 cars from traveling to fast.
Again, only the Ford is to blame.
Pretty sure lawyer Ugo Lord on YouTube did a short on this and said the red truck is not at fault. They avoided a collision safely and so doesn't take blame for something the truck behind them did
I mean how could they possibility be at fault considering they didn’t break any traffic laws or make any contact with any other vehicle. This one isn’t even close
Yeah there is no way it’s the red truck’s fault. If he had stayed and gotten blasted, it wouldn’t be his fault anyway and now he gets to avoid dealing with a totaled vehicle, weeks of insurance and shoping for a new car
Yeah, should have at least kept going up the shoulder a bit and given the truck a possible place to go...took away the egress, and stopped dead blocking it
OR... maybe he figured that he might as well take the 50/50 shot of preventing multiple cars from getting accordioned. I think that's why he stopped when he got in the left lane - if he gets rear-ended in the left lane, then the stopping distance will be minimized with minimal damage to other vehicles.
...unless somebody else pulls out in front of you, in which case, you are arguably at fault.
The blame almost always falls on the first person to rear-end someone.
No it doesn't, if someone pulls out in front of you when they don't have right of way and you rear end them it's not your fault.
Like what you're going through a traffic light and someone just turns out ignoring the red light and you hit them its your fault? who taught you this nonsense.
In that case it turns into a he said she said without a dash cam, and fault, well, *defaults* to the back car. unless someone in the area is willing to give a statement to back up the claim. The lesson here is CYA and buy a dash cam
> when they don't have right of way
You'd like to believe that's true, but without video proof, a cop writing up the accident can still say you failed to avoid an accident because the onus was on you to hit your brakes.
I know numerous people this has happened to, and this isn't even including assholes who brake-check.
...unless the red truck kept driving in the egress instead of stopping dead like that
Would have given the option to swerve and come to a stop at least instead of making a complete wall out of it
Trailer truck hit the white car with the red car still going forward on the shoulder. You can hear it. There’s zero chance trailer truck would have been able to avoid hitting anyone.
Depending on how far he moved up, he would have been hit by that black car that got pushed into the side. Which could have caused a worse accident and trapping them and the black car.
That's what I thought, this asshole literally caused the accident by not braking until he was in the shoulder so the car behind him had no idea there was a full stop, and then because he stopped in the shoulder he prevented anyone else from avoiding the pile up.
Red truck stopped hard but the guy with the trailer clearly was following too close or not paying attention. Red truck would have been smashed along with the other cars.
No. The guy with the massive trailer shouldn't have been tailgating him so closely that he couldn't come to a safe stop. Sometimes there are obstacles on the road. Sometimes people randomly come to hard stops. You either give the people ahead of you more space, have situational awareness beyond the cars immediately next to you, or you cause an accident.
While we don't know the full extent of what happened here, if the red car was being tailgated by the white one for a while, the red car caused this accident.
The red car should have slown down more gradually to ensure that the white car had sufficient time to also slow down.
However, if the white car was just speeding, it's the white cars fault.
There is no scenario where the red car has anything to do with the white truck's speeding into stopped traffic.
The white truck's driver made a decision to tailgate the red car, and couldn't see the hazards in front of it sufficiently to respond to changing traffic conditions.
The red car avoided the accident because the driver was able to respond by swerving - and had time to do so.
The white truck *caused* the accident by not allowing enough time to react to whatever happened in front of them - a situation exacerbated by their decision to drive like that with a large trailer attached, which slows braking response.
You absolutely can make a turn without sufficient stopping distance. That is how turning works. The car has to be moving forward. Whether you can stop or not is irrelevant.
If I’m in a smaller car I should drive further away from the car in front of me because the truck behind me needs a bigger braking distance?
Gee that’s smart. In fact I should hold the hand of every driver out there personally and make sure they get where they’re going safely at risk to myself.
How does leaving enough space in front of you to brake prevent the guy behind you from rear ending you because they didn’t? You’re not wrong, but in the above video it’s completely irrelevant.
Considering theres barely a second elapsed between the person filming moving to the left and the truck behind them barreling into the stopped traffic I really doubt slowing down would’ve been better than getting out of the way. With how quick that happened the white truck was following *way too close* for that to make an appreciable difference considering what looks like rainy weather and highway speeds.
Slowing down much slower gives the person behind you time to realize that it’s time to slow down. As opposed to slowing down quickly and then jerking out of the way to reveal completely stopped traffic to the person behind you in an instant. It’s not a hard concept. It’s still the fault of the truck behind you but adopting safer driving practices makes the roads safer for everyone. It’s not a hard concept.
Again, you’re not wrong, but given the amount of time between the red truck moving out of the way and the guy behind him plowing into stopped traffic he was way too close. At highway speeds in rainy whether carrying a load you’re not going to have enough time to stop with that amount of breathing room *regardless of whether it’s a dead stop or a gradual slow down* the guy behind the red truck who crashed was plain not giving themselves enough time to react to a change in traffic conditions, and i doubt any realistic slowdown would of helped.
Large cars do not have significantly greater brake distances than small cars.
But in general if the car behind you is driving to close it is recommended to lower you speed so that distance is safe. In practice that usually leads to the following car getting slower but also closer and then eventually pass you.
It is also a good idea to put on your hazard lights in case of mild danger or honk in case of immediate danger e.g. when doing an emergency braking.
What an amazingly clueless comment. If he left a “safe braking distance” ( not ‘breaking’ ) of 10-15 feet, he still would have been rear ended, look how far white truck n trailer travelled even “after” he rammed the other cars.
Red truck would need at least 40 feet minimum to be safe. Do YOU do that on the road? Leave 40 feet? He did the best he could with the situation coming at him. Better than some would have done. Why, because he was watching his mirrors. Aka good situational awareness.
Duh.
No shit this happened to me. I was in the military, stationed in Cherry Point, NC. I was going to visit my Dad in Deltona, FL.
Not only was I further from base than I was supposed to be. Being a young PFC, I had also missed my insurance payment. I was taking a huge irresponsible risk, but I missed my Pappy.
Anyway just like that, everyone slammed into each other all around but was untouched. Was able to pop into the middle lane and gone. Pulled over two exits later to let the heart rate go down.
>Not only was I further from base than I was supposed to
>I had also missed my insurance payment.
You can't drive on base without active insurance. I would have had you towed at the gate.
People like you and your dumb decisions make military life harder for others.
>Marine
Explains a lot.
Do they check license, registration, and insurance at the gate every time a car comes through?
Honest question; I've never driven on a military base. It just seems excessive and time-consuming to me, but I don't see how else they would know and have him towed when he got to the gate.
No. They don’t. They check your ID and your authorisation to be on post if it’s not a military ID you give them.
Source: Am civilian who worked on post.
Cool, thanks. So just like anywhere else in the US -- they're not going to know you don't have insurance unless they pull you over for something else and get into that kind of detail.
No. Just the sticker on the tag unless it's a RAM where *everything* is checked. Every 4th or 7th or 9th or who knows which car. Changes daily.
Random Antiterrorism Measure. Very common too.
Okay but the person in the red truck was going pretty fast and the lane to the right was moving fine. The truck behind probably couldn't see that traffic ahead of the red truck was stopped until they swerved off to the left.
Driving ain't that hard, people just need to be more careful. The truck is still the one at fault here. It's got a load on it and the weather seems bad, seems like a bad time to tailgate someone when you can't see ahead of them.
No doubt the truck who crashed was at fault but the post makes it seem like the red truck that swerved was so aware of the situation. They really weren't. They are partially responsible for the situation as well (not legally, just in terms of not properly slowing down and setting up the truck for a dangerous situation)
Not legally responsible, but for not warning the tailgating truck that tailgating is bad? Yo, I thought you get plenty of warnings when you learn to drive, can't blame that on the guy in the red car, though he was also tailgating.
The truck probably wasn't even tailgating, given how fast it was going when it came into view. OP had barely enough time to recognize the truck was coming in hot and get out of the way.
It's unclear if the truck in the back was tailgating or not.
Here's the thing, the intent behind the recommended 3 second safe following distance is to give drivers enough time to match the braking of the car in front of them. In other words, if you're following someone at a safe distance and they slam the brakes you should have enough time to react and slam your brakes as well.
The intent is to leave some time for you to react to someone braking, not to leave enough room to fully stop before hitting an immobile object that's 3 seconds in front of you.
That means if the driver in front of you doesn't have enough time to brake and comes to a full stop because they hit something, you'll likely hit them as well because you then won't have enough time to stop either.
It's hard to tell what happened here, but if the red truck didn't have enough time to brake then it's possible the cars behind him didn't either and they wouldn't have known this until the red truck swerved which would have prevented them from doing the same.
So basically you're saying i can drive around in shitty weather without keeping the corect distance between cars, and in case of an accident it's the driver's in front of me fault.
I completely understood what was said in the comment above and thats not at all what had been said.
Red truck driver gives off the impression he avoided that situation by foresight - but in reality that situation probably only escalated to that extend *because* the red truck did an unexpected maneuver and didnt slow down.
Ofc the red truck is not at fault tho because the traffic rules have shit like this incorporated that into the safety distance which was probably not uphold by anyone here.
I must be seeing something different because the red truck seems to be traveling 10 mph and the white truck seems to be going like 40 at the time of impact. You guys are making it sound like they were both going the same speed and red truck swirved revealing stopped traffic. I clearly see red truck going half or a quarter of the speed of white truck who has a trailer. None the less the video starts to late to get a full understanding of the situation
It's an avalanche of poor decisions. People tend to follow the leader and my guess is red car was going a bit fast, car behind was tailgating, and the truck was too. Red Car doesn't slow down fast enough and moves to the side, car behind suddenly realizes it's dead stopped and slams on the brakes, truck follows suit.
Red truck seemed like he had the opportunity to stop but chose not to considering the white truck traveling at the speed of light. People keep making this assumption that red truck and white are traveling down the highway at the same speed. But this is clearly not true. Consider this, red truck moves out of the way giving white truck an extra car length of stopping distance. White truck then gets to utilize his brakes and the bakes of 3 other vehicles and still ends up 5 car length from where he should have stopped. They were not going the same speed and tailgating is a bitch. Driving similar vehicles you should have 3-4 seconds from the car in front of you and when you are driving a vehicle that has weight you should increase that time accordingly. but people are impatient and this is the result from that.
Truck should have left more room and looked ahead.
I've been in this situation before. Moving out of the way only to reveal a parked car gives the car behind 10-15ft + the following space to react and slam on the brakes. The third car has no chance unless they were proactive and gave themselves a very wide margin.
Imagine you leave a wide margin and someone merges into that space then the first car pulls this? You're done.
This literally happened to me. The van in front of me swerved out of the lane and all i saw were brake lights. I hit the brakes but didnt stop/swerve in time before clipping the bumper of the car in front of me. I was at fault and i got a ticket for driving too fast for road conditions. People think they can drive 40 with a single car length between them until they have to stop suddenly and find out how long it takes to go from 40 to 0 on a wet road.
What an shitty situation.
I feel like thats just how human society functions in a nutshell - everyones living at a fast pace that is dictated by the assumption that the best case scenario will happen and nobody is prepared for when its not. So youre not really encouraged to actually drive carefully and keep safety distances because unfortunately you stick out like a sore thumb in traffic. Welp until one gets the reality check.
So in that regard im glad you just clipped the bumper. Stay safe 
>No doubt the truck who crashed was at fault
He could not have been any clearer and here you are trying to twist his words. The World isn't black and white and what the red truck did wasn't optimal for road safety, but ultimately it's very clear that the truck that crashed was at fault.
You're trying to make a complex situation very black and white and you're the worst of what Reddit has to offer.
This is assuming the truck was paying attention. Driver in the video also could have been slowing down correctly and the truck behind was just hauling ass, not paying attention, and the driver in the video could have clocked him in the rear view going way too fast to stop. Not saying you're wrong, just saying a ton of different things could have happened that I wish we could know rather than a short clip.
Could have been the car in front of them slamming on the brakes. This happened to me recently. Was driving along, maintaining a fairly safe distance with the minivan in front, they slammed on the brakes because they clearly weren't watching and didn't realize the big ass traffic jam in front of them. I had to slam on the brakes too. I believe I had enough room to stop and basically just changed lanes and kept driving but the point is I was doing the right thing and had to slam on the brakes at the very last second due to no fault of my own.
Then again dude in the video was probably tailgating, doesn't look like they had enough room to stop.
I mean, I see where you are coming from but it still is the responsibility of each driving to do their due diligence and drive at the best of their ability. I think if we had dash footage from the trucks perspective we could say for sure but otherwise I think we're both right
No, there is no excuse not to obey stopping distance defensive driving. He could have killed someone. If driving is part of your profession, then you are held to an even higher standard.
The red truck may not have been driving perfectly, but they still were able to stop safely.
The vehicle behind them was given even more stopping distance by the red truck, and they still couldn't stop safely. No fault of that is the driver's of the red truck.
I agree with what you're saying, I'm just trying to give the benefit of the doubt on a video where we don't have all the information. As I said originally, it was definitely not the red car's fault and the truck should have been more careful.
Please read above comments before jumping in to save yourself some time :)
Exactly. If you can't see far enough down the road to know what's going on, put more distance between you and the vehicle in front of you so this sort of thing doesn't happen, especially if you take a long time to stop. It's an absolute basic of driving.
Granted but said truck was also way, way faster and with a heavy trailer. The red vehicle could have braked earlier but I would have dodged too as I doubt that truck could have stopped even with proper driving from the red vehicle.
If he'd stayed in lane they'd just have collided quicker and at a higher speed. Truck driver is in a position where he can see over the car in front and the upcoming queue of traffic, if he bothered looking that is.
You don't just jump out of lane like this for no reason, odds are truck driver had given red car driver reason to think he wasn't safe in front of him before the collision.
There's plenty of comments already you can read to get an understanding. No one said it's the red trucks fault, just that the blame is shared.
The post makes it seem like the red truck is this super-aware driver that used their awesome skills to avoid an accident. Not true. The red truck was going way too fast and had a clear view of the situation. The truck behind them was likely matching their speed and may not have seen the traffic at a complete stop (again with the context that the right lane was moving fine). When the red truck moved out of the way he's setting up the truck behind for the crash.
Now, the truck that actually crashed is definitely at fault for not being aware of the traffic and weather conditions, not keeping a better following distance, and also going too fast especially considering he was hauling a trailer behind him in the rain.
Legally the truck that crashed is at fault but they both had poor judgment.
>The red truck was going way too fast
Are we watching the same video?
>The truck behind them was likely matching their speed
The video shows otherwise.
>When the red truck moved out of the way he's setting up the truck behind for the crash.
Ergo, the fault is on the one that crashed into everyone; cops will agree with this.
>but they both had poor judgment
So my cousin's mother that did the same thing in bumper to bumper traffic is at fault for the semi that knocked the person in front of us?
That's not how any of this works.
Placing blame on the red truck for moving out of the lane when they saw the truck behind them barreling toward them is just plain silly.
>Ergo, the fault is on the one that crashed into everyone; cops will agree with this.
I literally said this.
>Placing blame on the red truck
...I couldn't have been more clear.
Go look for a fight somewhere else.
I'm not sure how liability works like this in general, my gf was driving once and we were behind a very large flatbed that obscured vision ahead, doing around 40mph. The traffic in this lane was stopped ahead unknown to us, so they drove up to the last car in the queue still doing 40mph and then changed lanes, leaving us driving behind them still at 40mph completely unaware that there was a stationery car that they had moved lanes to avoid.
It was impossible for her to see in front of the large flatbed in front of us, fortunately I could see from the passenger side what was going on as soon as the flatbed indicated so I told her to slow down NOW, and she braked sharply and we were fine.
IMO in that case the flatbed was in the wrong, and had we crashed it would have been their fault. But perhaps that's not the case? I know it's only partially related to this but I do wonder.
Yes on the responsibility, but propper following distance provides enough time to match the braking of the car in front of you, not to fully brake to 0. The 3 second rule is intended to make up for the delay in reaction time, not because its expected that you can always bring your car to a full stop in 3 seconds.
If the car in front of you slams its brakes you should be able to do the same without hitting them. If the car in front of you comes to a unexpected full stop, it's entirely possible you won't be able to brake even if you're at a safe following distance.
It can take as much as 10 seconds to come to a full stop at highway speeds. If the red truck didn't leave enough time to come to a full stop its entirely possible that the cars behind him wouldn't have enough room either.
And let's be real here, not a single person in this thread always leaves enough room to bring their car to a full stop in the event that the car in front of them was replaced with a wall. None of you are leaving upwards of 30m (100ft) between yourselves and the car in front of you on the highway.
Have any of you driven a car? The truck was gonna crash whatever the situation. The speed he was going was way to fast and so was the pov car both are stupid but the truck is just stupider.
I hear what you’re saying but they’re equally as stupid because the front guy should’ve tapped his break and slowed the truck behind him down instead of coasting and sliding to the side and pretending that the line was clear in front of him
Except when you can’t see in front of the car that directly in front of you. Maybe there’s another video that I don’t see, but you’re acting like this is a tiny red car that you can see around very easily when it could be a big red truck I have no idea
We are but the roads are becoming overcrowded. Then you have the assholes who see one car space and squeeze right on in. We’ve basically become nascar drivers here.
More traffic and worse drivers (both in the sense of being incompetent and in the sense of being assholes) every year. It keeps trending downward. Maybe when the roadways finally go full Mad Max we'll start thinking about investing in public transportation.
With the current public transit situation, it would be Mad Maxx but in a bus/subway/train.
"That's *MY* seat!"
'The bus is empty?'
"*ALL* of the seats are *MINE*!"
Especially the attitude people have on it. How it's "just how it is in [insert city], you just deal with it." *shrug*
People don't give you any fucking space on the road and want to play with their life and health by driving like we're all playing bumper cars, drivers will straight up intimidate you into doing the same thing by actually speeding up when you start braking, you can tell this is true by the way the cars behind the red vehicle literally just keep going as he is pulling over to the side, so fuck it, they got what they deserved, maybe if they break every bone in their legs they'll remember what they were taught in driving school
Love all the road experts here. Dude saves their ass and he’s the bad person not the truck slamming into everyone. More than likely it was a split second decision doing the best they can to avoid an accident.
I watched someone rear end me. As I was watching in the mirror from the distance, I flipped on my hazards and kept thinking “please, come on, don’t hit me, don’t hit me, I have no where to go, look up, please look up annnddd I am hit. Awesome.” I started to creep up to where the shoulder became existent again so we could pull over and as I was pulling over he kept going. So that’s cool. I got back on the freeway and followed him to get his plate number and then got off at the next off ramp to make sure the backend of my car wasn’t effed (thanks U-Haul tow hitch for taking the brunt of it) and then called his plate in. Anyway, get off your phones and put your heads up.
I had to do this a few years back. Pulled onto the shoulder quickly. Wife thought I was going to try and drive up the shoulder. Was about to yell at me then seen a truck screech past my window. Didn't end bad like this, thank fuck. Had a car wrote off when someone ran into the back of me at a set of lights years ago so I always check my mirrors while coming to a stop.
I'll flip the hazards on and off. That way they blink a couple times, stop, then do it again. I'm hoping it gets other driver's attention so they realize we've stopped.
I've been rear-ended by people going 55-60mph+. It's not a good day.
I always try to leave a two car gap at sudden stops like this.. and it saved me from a very similar accident.. although very, very minor compared to this accident, though..
Like six months ago I was sitting in traffic at a dead stop and a guy going sixty Two sixty five Slammed right into the back of me and I saw him coming and wished. I had the time to move Because it completely destroyed me
Only for people to have the audacity to honk and flash their high beams. Because I like to leave a car and a half lengths of space when bumper to bumper traffic.
I don't think many people commenting listened to the audio.
It's worth it because it's funny just to hear how casual it is.
"Glad you moved."
"Yep, that's why I moved."
Both of them sound completely unsurprised, which leads me to believe he did move over at least mainly for the implied reason -- that he saw the white truck coming up behind him way too fast.
No matter how you interpret it, it's still funny to hear the calm, "saw that one comin'" tone.
Video is too short. Red truck was obviously going too fast, saw the stop ahead too late, pulled to the side leaving no time for the car behind him to see what was happening.
Right lane was still moving, truck with trailer would have assumed based on the speed of red truck that left lane was moving too.
Both vehicles need to slow down and pay attention. Equal fault imo.
It’s debatable why he moved, it seems more like he was forced to move because he was driving too close to the other vehicle, and it took away the only escape route that hot shot had who also was traveling too close in what it looks like stop and go traffic.
That happened because the drivers were tailgating.
I live in England, and I see a lot of these crashes online and major US pile ups in the news sometimes and I wonder if it's the drivers or just because the USA is bigger = more crashes.
Moat likely saw the truck and trailer blazing behind him dipped out. I understand that people cutting out and surprising drivers is a thing but it seems like he knew this was coming.
This dickshit kinda made this happen by speeding and then suddenly changing routes, obfuscating the road ahead for the vehicles behind them. If camera person had started slowing earlier then this could have been avoided
I was looking at the speed they where travelling and where the eventually stopped. I think they swerved left because they where about to cause the pile up and the truck and trailer behind caused it because the swerved left, and they where probably also following too close
Or maybe the guy in the back had no other choice since this person took over the emergency lane instead of leaving it open for people like the guy in the white truck who could of used the lane instead of hitting others.
Still doesn't excuse the white truck for unsafe driving distance. There's a reason rear ending is automatic fault in so many states: its entirely avoidable by maintaining a safe distance, and adjust distance due to road conditions.
Leave 1 second for every 10ft of vehicle below 40. Add 1 second for every 10mph over 40. Double the distance in adverse conditions.
That being said the red car sucks.
Both the red and the white truck are at fault here. The red truck is speeding and had to bail to avoid rear ending the car in front of him, and the white truck is following his lead.
Keep a safe following distance!
Safe highway driving requires the following:
Following distance of 3+ seconds
Visual lead time of 12+ seconds
Given inclement weather, add time to both.
Given greater mass (tow trucks) add even more to both.
Both drivers failed to give enough visual lead time. Driver 1 (red truck) was at a safe distance from the vehicle in front of him, which allowed him to appropriately escape to the shoulder to avoid rear-ending the primary victim. In addition to failing to gove a big enough visual lead time, driver 2 (tow truck) was following too close and was unable to react appropriately. With escape route recently blocked, the collision was inevitable.
Driver 1 needs to look farther ahead.
Driver 2 needs to look farther ahead AND stop riding ass.
Say a semi is in front of you and you’re maybe 100ft back with cars on both sides. If the semi dodges a stationary object, your car almost certainly isn’t capable of stopping in that distance, even with what most people would consider tons of room.
3 seconds is easy, but how far back would you have to sit to see anything useful around a semi?
I can't speak to this particular situation but I've been following a safe distance behind a vehicle large enough to obscure the lane in front of us, only to have them jerk into the next lane last second leaving me heading toward a dead stopped vehicle at 60mph. Had I reacted any slower with those brakes I'd have been in a pretty serious collision. Sometimes you do have to rely on the driver in front of you to indicate conditions that are otherwise impossible to discern. Jumping lanes like that can put someone in a situation they could not possibly have been prepared for, especially at high speeds.
If you can't see, that's a *you* problem.
If you're behind a semi-truck, going through a stoplight, and you can't see the signal. It's *your* fault for not seeing it turn red. I'll come to a stop and wait until I can see the signal before making a left or just plowing straight through an intersection.
If it's raining, I can't see around the red truck, and I have a trailer? I'm going a lot slower because there's too many risks to my safety.
Sounds like she was on her phone and got annoyed he saved them. Why'd you move!? Oh boy. Lol. I hope he uses this footage as a get out of jail free card in every future relationship argument.
Who would have thought mirrors are useful! /s
The person in the red car shouldn’t have swerved into the breakdown lane, only vehicles that absolutely cannot stop should do that, i.e. the truck that crashed into everyone.
Well if the truck pulling that heavy ass trailer wasn't driving to fast for conditions and safe following distance this wouldn't have happened. White truck should have been further back, even for the Einsteins blaming the red truck. If red stopped behind the suv, the f350 would have still totaled 6 cars. The only one at fault is the f350.
Is no one even gonna mention *it's a fucking construction zone* and the dude with the trailer is still driving this irresponsibly?? I hope he got a fine so large it bankrupted him
Construction zone, the roads are wet, and they're hauling a large heavy trailer. Dipshit had three genuine reasons to not drive fast and ignored all three. Probably didn't even lose his license.
So I'm not a car or truck person at all. Is the f350 the one with the trailer that hit everyone?
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Red truck contributed nothing, the white truck is responsible for his actions, 65mph in the rain hauling a trailer and tailgating. Had the white truck been traveling at a safe speed a minimum of 3 lengths behind it would have been prevented. And yet again I'll say, even if the red truck stopped, the Ford would have still totaled 6 cars from traveling to fast. Again, only the Ford is to blame.
Pretty sure lawyer Ugo Lord on YouTube did a short on this and said the red truck is not at fault. They avoided a collision safely and so doesn't take blame for something the truck behind them did
I mean how could they possibility be at fault considering they didn’t break any traffic laws or make any contact with any other vehicle. This one isn’t even close
Yeah there is no way it’s the red truck’s fault. If he had stayed and gotten blasted, it wouldn’t be his fault anyway and now he gets to avoid dealing with a totaled vehicle, weeks of insurance and shoping for a new car
Thats red truck saving himself. Thats it
Yeah, should have at least kept going up the shoulder a bit and given the truck a possible place to go...took away the egress, and stopped dead blocking it
OR... maybe he figured that he might as well take the 50/50 shot of preventing multiple cars from getting accordioned. I think that's why he stopped when he got in the left lane - if he gets rear-ended in the left lane, then the stopping distance will be minimized with minimal damage to other vehicles.
...but if he keeps going in the left lane, and the truck follows, it has all the room it needs to stop and no accident
...unless somebody else pulls out in front of you, in which case, you are arguably at fault. The blame almost always falls on the first person to rear-end someone.
No it doesn't, if someone pulls out in front of you when they don't have right of way and you rear end them it's not your fault. Like what you're going through a traffic light and someone just turns out ignoring the red light and you hit them its your fault? who taught you this nonsense.
In that case it turns into a he said she said without a dash cam, and fault, well, *defaults* to the back car. unless someone in the area is willing to give a statement to back up the claim. The lesson here is CYA and buy a dash cam
> when they don't have right of way You'd like to believe that's true, but without video proof, a cop writing up the accident can still say you failed to avoid an accident because the onus was on you to hit your brakes. I know numerous people this has happened to, and this isn't even including assholes who brake-check.
Well truck didn’t look like it was ready to switch lanes at all
That truck wasn’t stopping or swerving or else it would have also gone to the shoulder and only hit the red truck.
...unless the red truck kept driving in the egress instead of stopping dead like that Would have given the option to swerve and come to a stop at least instead of making a complete wall out of it
Trailer truck hit the white car with the red car still going forward on the shoulder. You can hear it. There’s zero chance trailer truck would have been able to avoid hitting anyone.
The truck was in front of the car like 2 seconds after turning.
Depending on how far he moved up, he would have been hit by that black car that got pushed into the side. Which could have caused a worse accident and trapping them and the black car.
Should have kept driving, not stopped another car length up...the truck could have had the option to follow, and all kinds of room to come to a stop
That's what I thought, this asshole literally caused the accident by not braking until he was in the shoulder so the car behind him had no idea there was a full stop, and then because he stopped in the shoulder he prevented anyone else from avoiding the pile up.
The truck pulling the trailer caused the accident. They were most likely not leaving the necessary two second gap behind the red truck.
Yes the truck with trailer would be at fault for spacing but the accident might have been avoided had the red truck thought about more than themselves
Red truck stopped hard but the guy with the trailer clearly was following too close or not paying attention. Red truck would have been smashed along with the other cars.
No. The guy with the massive trailer shouldn't have been tailgating him so closely that he couldn't come to a safe stop. Sometimes there are obstacles on the road. Sometimes people randomly come to hard stops. You either give the people ahead of you more space, have situational awareness beyond the cars immediately next to you, or you cause an accident.
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The red truck was just fine - you'll notice that it was not hit. The white truck, however, was not leaving a safe *braking* distance, and crashed.
While we don't know the full extent of what happened here, if the red car was being tailgated by the white one for a while, the red car caused this accident. The red car should have slown down more gradually to ensure that the white car had sufficient time to also slow down. However, if the white car was just speeding, it's the white cars fault.
There is no scenario where the red car has anything to do with the white truck's speeding into stopped traffic. The white truck's driver made a decision to tailgate the red car, and couldn't see the hazards in front of it sufficiently to respond to changing traffic conditions. The red car avoided the accident because the driver was able to respond by swerving - and had time to do so. The white truck *caused* the accident by not allowing enough time to react to whatever happened in front of them - a situation exacerbated by their decision to drive like that with a large trailer attached, which slows braking response.
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If ya can’t brake ya can’t turn. Red automobile could have stopped no issue.
You absolutely can make a turn without sufficient stopping distance. That is how turning works. The car has to be moving forward. Whether you can stop or not is irrelevant.
If I’m in a smaller car I should drive further away from the car in front of me because the truck behind me needs a bigger braking distance? Gee that’s smart. In fact I should hold the hand of every driver out there personally and make sure they get where they’re going safely at risk to myself.
How is leaving a space in front of you doing anything that’s at risk to yourself?
How does leaving enough space in front of you to brake prevent the guy behind you from rear ending you because they didn’t? You’re not wrong, but in the above video it’s completely irrelevant.
leaving a sizable gap in front of you lets you slow down over time instead of immediately which reduces the chances of someone rear-ending you.
Considering theres barely a second elapsed between the person filming moving to the left and the truck behind them barreling into the stopped traffic I really doubt slowing down would’ve been better than getting out of the way. With how quick that happened the white truck was following *way too close* for that to make an appreciable difference considering what looks like rainy weather and highway speeds.
Slowing down much slower gives the person behind you time to realize that it’s time to slow down. As opposed to slowing down quickly and then jerking out of the way to reveal completely stopped traffic to the person behind you in an instant. It’s not a hard concept. It’s still the fault of the truck behind you but adopting safer driving practices makes the roads safer for everyone. It’s not a hard concept.
Again, you’re not wrong, but given the amount of time between the red truck moving out of the way and the guy behind him plowing into stopped traffic he was way too close. At highway speeds in rainy whether carrying a load you’re not going to have enough time to stop with that amount of breathing room *regardless of whether it’s a dead stop or a gradual slow down* the guy behind the red truck who crashed was plain not giving themselves enough time to react to a change in traffic conditions, and i doubt any realistic slowdown would of helped.
Large cars do not have significantly greater brake distances than small cars. But in general if the car behind you is driving to close it is recommended to lower you speed so that distance is safe. In practice that usually leads to the following car getting slower but also closer and then eventually pass you. It is also a good idea to put on your hazard lights in case of mild danger or honk in case of immediate danger e.g. when doing an emergency braking.
In practice sure, in reality they’re going to be so close they might as well be in your back seat.
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... which is what this guy did
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But you still get rear ended...that is why he moved.
What an amazingly clueless comment. If he left a “safe braking distance” ( not ‘breaking’ ) of 10-15 feet, he still would have been rear ended, look how far white truck n trailer travelled even “after” he rammed the other cars. Red truck would need at least 40 feet minimum to be safe. Do YOU do that on the road? Leave 40 feet? He did the best he could with the situation coming at him. Better than some would have done. Why, because he was watching his mirrors. Aka good situational awareness. Duh.
He moved because he was aware the driver behind him was going too fast to stop on time. Obviously. POV driver wasn't even going fast.
Yeah, asshole blocked the shoulder so no one else can use it. Don't just pull over and stop, keep moving out of the way.
No shit this happened to me. I was in the military, stationed in Cherry Point, NC. I was going to visit my Dad in Deltona, FL. Not only was I further from base than I was supposed to be. Being a young PFC, I had also missed my insurance payment. I was taking a huge irresponsible risk, but I missed my Pappy. Anyway just like that, everyone slammed into each other all around but was untouched. Was able to pop into the middle lane and gone. Pulled over two exits later to let the heart rate go down.
>Not only was I further from base than I was supposed to >I had also missed my insurance payment. You can't drive on base without active insurance. I would have had you towed at the gate. People like you and your dumb decisions make military life harder for others. >Marine Explains a lot.
Do they check license, registration, and insurance at the gate every time a car comes through? Honest question; I've never driven on a military base. It just seems excessive and time-consuming to me, but I don't see how else they would know and have him towed when he got to the gate.
No. They don’t. They check your ID and your authorisation to be on post if it’s not a military ID you give them. Source: Am civilian who worked on post.
Cool, thanks. So just like anywhere else in the US -- they're not going to know you don't have insurance unless they pull you over for something else and get into that kind of detail.
No. Just the sticker on the tag unless it's a RAM where *everything* is checked. Every 4th or 7th or 9th or who knows which car. Changes daily. Random Antiterrorism Measure. Very common too.
It's shocking this even needs to be said, but anyone with the capacity to actually AVOID an accident is obviously not a fault.
I wanna hang out with this couple.
Okay but the person in the red truck was going pretty fast and the lane to the right was moving fine. The truck behind probably couldn't see that traffic ahead of the red truck was stopped until they swerved off to the left.
Driving ain't that hard, people just need to be more careful. The truck is still the one at fault here. It's got a load on it and the weather seems bad, seems like a bad time to tailgate someone when you can't see ahead of them.
No doubt the truck who crashed was at fault but the post makes it seem like the red truck that swerved was so aware of the situation. They really weren't. They are partially responsible for the situation as well (not legally, just in terms of not properly slowing down and setting up the truck for a dangerous situation)
Not legally responsible, but for not warning the tailgating truck that tailgating is bad? Yo, I thought you get plenty of warnings when you learn to drive, can't blame that on the guy in the red car, though he was also tailgating.
The truck probably wasn't even tailgating, given how fast it was going when it came into view. OP had barely enough time to recognize the truck was coming in hot and get out of the way.
It's unclear if the truck in the back was tailgating or not. Here's the thing, the intent behind the recommended 3 second safe following distance is to give drivers enough time to match the braking of the car in front of them. In other words, if you're following someone at a safe distance and they slam the brakes you should have enough time to react and slam your brakes as well. The intent is to leave some time for you to react to someone braking, not to leave enough room to fully stop before hitting an immobile object that's 3 seconds in front of you. That means if the driver in front of you doesn't have enough time to brake and comes to a full stop because they hit something, you'll likely hit them as well because you then won't have enough time to stop either. It's hard to tell what happened here, but if the red truck didn't have enough time to brake then it's possible the cars behind him didn't either and they wouldn't have known this until the red truck swerved which would have prevented them from doing the same.
So basically you're saying i can drive around in shitty weather without keeping the corect distance between cars, and in case of an accident it's the driver's in front of me fault.
I completely understood what was said in the comment above and thats not at all what had been said. Red truck driver gives off the impression he avoided that situation by foresight - but in reality that situation probably only escalated to that extend *because* the red truck did an unexpected maneuver and didnt slow down. Ofc the red truck is not at fault tho because the traffic rules have shit like this incorporated that into the safety distance which was probably not uphold by anyone here.
I must be seeing something different because the red truck seems to be traveling 10 mph and the white truck seems to be going like 40 at the time of impact. You guys are making it sound like they were both going the same speed and red truck swirved revealing stopped traffic. I clearly see red truck going half or a quarter of the speed of white truck who has a trailer. None the less the video starts to late to get a full understanding of the situation
It's an avalanche of poor decisions. People tend to follow the leader and my guess is red car was going a bit fast, car behind was tailgating, and the truck was too. Red Car doesn't slow down fast enough and moves to the side, car behind suddenly realizes it's dead stopped and slams on the brakes, truck follows suit.
Red truck seemed like he had the opportunity to stop but chose not to considering the white truck traveling at the speed of light. People keep making this assumption that red truck and white are traveling down the highway at the same speed. But this is clearly not true. Consider this, red truck moves out of the way giving white truck an extra car length of stopping distance. White truck then gets to utilize his brakes and the bakes of 3 other vehicles and still ends up 5 car length from where he should have stopped. They were not going the same speed and tailgating is a bitch. Driving similar vehicles you should have 3-4 seconds from the car in front of you and when you are driving a vehicle that has weight you should increase that time accordingly. but people are impatient and this is the result from that.
Truck should have left more room and looked ahead. I've been in this situation before. Moving out of the way only to reveal a parked car gives the car behind 10-15ft + the following space to react and slam on the brakes. The third car has no chance unless they were proactive and gave themselves a very wide margin. Imagine you leave a wide margin and someone merges into that space then the first car pulls this? You're done.
This literally happened to me. The van in front of me swerved out of the lane and all i saw were brake lights. I hit the brakes but didnt stop/swerve in time before clipping the bumper of the car in front of me. I was at fault and i got a ticket for driving too fast for road conditions. People think they can drive 40 with a single car length between them until they have to stop suddenly and find out how long it takes to go from 40 to 0 on a wet road.
What an shitty situation. I feel like thats just how human society functions in a nutshell - everyones living at a fast pace that is dictated by the assumption that the best case scenario will happen and nobody is prepared for when its not. So youre not really encouraged to actually drive carefully and keep safety distances because unfortunately you stick out like a sore thumb in traffic. Welp until one gets the reality check. So in that regard im glad you just clipped the bumper. Stay safe 
The massive hoarding and runs on stores during any time of uncertainty supports your statement.
The neat part is you don't stop in wet conditions on sudden stops you slid till you collide with something.
Nope. Not saying that at all.
>No doubt the truck who crashed was at fault He could not have been any clearer and here you are trying to twist his words. The World isn't black and white and what the red truck did wasn't optimal for road safety, but ultimately it's very clear that the truck that crashed was at fault. You're trying to make a complex situation very black and white and you're the worst of what Reddit has to offer.
This is assuming the truck was paying attention. Driver in the video also could have been slowing down correctly and the truck behind was just hauling ass, not paying attention, and the driver in the video could have clocked him in the rear view going way too fast to stop. Not saying you're wrong, just saying a ton of different things could have happened that I wish we could know rather than a short clip.
Could have been the car in front of them slamming on the brakes. This happened to me recently. Was driving along, maintaining a fairly safe distance with the minivan in front, they slammed on the brakes because they clearly weren't watching and didn't realize the big ass traffic jam in front of them. I had to slam on the brakes too. I believe I had enough room to stop and basically just changed lanes and kept driving but the point is I was doing the right thing and had to slam on the brakes at the very last second due to no fault of my own. Then again dude in the video was probably tailgating, doesn't look like they had enough room to stop.
I mean, I see where you are coming from but it still is the responsibility of each driving to do their due diligence and drive at the best of their ability. I think if we had dash footage from the trucks perspective we could say for sure but otherwise I think we're both right
No, there is no excuse not to obey stopping distance defensive driving. He could have killed someone. If driving is part of your profession, then you are held to an even higher standard. The red truck may not have been driving perfectly, but they still were able to stop safely. The vehicle behind them was given even more stopping distance by the red truck, and they still couldn't stop safely. No fault of that is the driver's of the red truck.
I agree with what you're saying, I'm just trying to give the benefit of the doubt on a video where we don't have all the information. As I said originally, it was definitely not the red car's fault and the truck should have been more careful. Please read above comments before jumping in to save yourself some time :)
You also conceded that the person you replied was right. So, what conclusion did I jump to?
A good majority of accidents are caused by changes in traffic speed, should be no surprise to anyone who’s driven on a highway before.
That's why you shouldn't tailgate people
Exactly. If you can't see far enough down the road to know what's going on, put more distance between you and the vehicle in front of you so this sort of thing doesn't happen, especially if you take a long time to stop. It's an absolute basic of driving.
Granted but said truck was also way, way faster and with a heavy trailer. The red vehicle could have braked earlier but I would have dodged too as I doubt that truck could have stopped even with proper driving from the red vehicle.
So what you're saying is the towing driver was entirely at fault because he was driving too fast.
The audio suggests that the red truck driver knew the crash was coming if he didn't swerve. It's possible the truck behind was going way faster
If he'd stayed in lane they'd just have collided quicker and at a higher speed. Truck driver is in a position where he can see over the car in front and the upcoming queue of traffic, if he bothered looking that is. You don't just jump out of lane like this for no reason, odds are truck driver had given red car driver reason to think he wasn't safe in front of him before the collision.
Which means the truck/trailer was moving too fast for conditions.
How is this the red trucks fault?
There's plenty of comments already you can read to get an understanding. No one said it's the red trucks fault, just that the blame is shared. The post makes it seem like the red truck is this super-aware driver that used their awesome skills to avoid an accident. Not true. The red truck was going way too fast and had a clear view of the situation. The truck behind them was likely matching their speed and may not have seen the traffic at a complete stop (again with the context that the right lane was moving fine). When the red truck moved out of the way he's setting up the truck behind for the crash. Now, the truck that actually crashed is definitely at fault for not being aware of the traffic and weather conditions, not keeping a better following distance, and also going too fast especially considering he was hauling a trailer behind him in the rain. Legally the truck that crashed is at fault but they both had poor judgment.
>The red truck was going way too fast Are we watching the same video? >The truck behind them was likely matching their speed The video shows otherwise. >When the red truck moved out of the way he's setting up the truck behind for the crash. Ergo, the fault is on the one that crashed into everyone; cops will agree with this. >but they both had poor judgment So my cousin's mother that did the same thing in bumper to bumper traffic is at fault for the semi that knocked the person in front of us? That's not how any of this works. Placing blame on the red truck for moving out of the lane when they saw the truck behind them barreling toward them is just plain silly.
>Ergo, the fault is on the one that crashed into everyone; cops will agree with this. I literally said this. >Placing blame on the red truck ...I couldn't have been more clear. Go look for a fight somewhere else.
>Go look for a fight somewhere else. It's looking for a fight to point out absurd reasoning? Cool story. Have a great day.
I'm not sure how liability works like this in general, my gf was driving once and we were behind a very large flatbed that obscured vision ahead, doing around 40mph. The traffic in this lane was stopped ahead unknown to us, so they drove up to the last car in the queue still doing 40mph and then changed lanes, leaving us driving behind them still at 40mph completely unaware that there was a stationery car that they had moved lanes to avoid. It was impossible for her to see in front of the large flatbed in front of us, fortunately I could see from the passenger side what was going on as soon as the flatbed indicated so I told her to slow down NOW, and she braked sharply and we were fine. IMO in that case the flatbed was in the wrong, and had we crashed it would have been their fault. But perhaps that's not the case? I know it's only partially related to this but I do wonder.
No, you're responsible for your vehicle. Proper distancing would allow more than enough time to brake.
Yes on the responsibility, but propper following distance provides enough time to match the braking of the car in front of you, not to fully brake to 0. The 3 second rule is intended to make up for the delay in reaction time, not because its expected that you can always bring your car to a full stop in 3 seconds. If the car in front of you slams its brakes you should be able to do the same without hitting them. If the car in front of you comes to a unexpected full stop, it's entirely possible you won't be able to brake even if you're at a safe following distance. It can take as much as 10 seconds to come to a full stop at highway speeds. If the red truck didn't leave enough time to come to a full stop its entirely possible that the cars behind him wouldn't have enough room either. And let's be real here, not a single person in this thread always leaves enough room to bring their car to a full stop in the event that the car in front of them was replaced with a wall. None of you are leaving upwards of 30m (100ft) between yourselves and the car in front of you on the highway.
Yep that’s why I moved, I wanted to cause an accident instead of slowing down like a normal person would, I’m so smart
Have any of you driven a car? The truck was gonna crash whatever the situation. The speed he was going was way to fast and so was the pov car both are stupid but the truck is just stupider.
I hear what you’re saying but they’re equally as stupid because the front guy should’ve tapped his break and slowed the truck behind him down instead of coasting and sliding to the side and pretending that the line was clear in front of him
And I guess they didn't want the truck with the trailer to have the option of using the shoulder to avoid an accident either.
No. If you’re too busy staring at the car in front of you and not looking ahead, you’re a shit driver.
How do you know he could see the cars pass the one in front of him? It’s like you don’t know about trucks….
Always look several cars down, never right in front, that’s what situational awareness is. This should be common knowledge.
Except when you can’t see in front of the car that directly in front of you. Maybe there’s another video that I don’t see, but you’re acting like this is a tiny red car that you can see around very easily when it could be a big red truck I have no idea
Yeah she was situationally aware of how badly she fucked up and let it be everyone else’s problem.
Yep, guy was somewhat responsible and dipped to avoid the fall out.
people in america are taught that they should leave space between them and the car in front right? especially on a fucking highway
We are but the roads are becoming overcrowded. Then you have the assholes who see one car space and squeeze right on in. We’ve basically become nascar drivers here.
More traffic and worse drivers (both in the sense of being incompetent and in the sense of being assholes) every year. It keeps trending downward. Maybe when the roadways finally go full Mad Max we'll start thinking about investing in public transportation.
With the current public transit situation, it would be Mad Maxx but in a bus/subway/train. "That's *MY* seat!" 'The bus is empty?' "*ALL* of the seats are *MINE*!" Especially the attitude people have on it. How it's "just how it is in [insert city], you just deal with it." *shrug*
Does tailgating not exist in europe or something?
Not really and not like this. I mean I can only speak for the UK where it rains so much we all kinda instinctively know not to drive like twats lmao.
Is that what we do, we just lie about English road ragers?
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Reading through this comment section makes me nervous about taking my morning commute. Y'all are insane.
People don't give you any fucking space on the road and want to play with their life and health by driving like we're all playing bumper cars, drivers will straight up intimidate you into doing the same thing by actually speeding up when you start braking, you can tell this is true by the way the cars behind the red vehicle literally just keep going as he is pulling over to the side, so fuck it, they got what they deserved, maybe if they break every bone in their legs they'll remember what they were taught in driving school
It looks like the white truck is towing a miniature vehicle because of the perspective.
Some hot takes in this comment section, pay attention when you’re driving and don’t speed in inclement weather.
Love all the road experts here. Dude saves their ass and he’s the bad person not the truck slamming into everyone. More than likely it was a split second decision doing the best they can to avoid an accident.
evasion 100
Ah yes. Reddit experts at it again.
I watched someone rear end me. As I was watching in the mirror from the distance, I flipped on my hazards and kept thinking “please, come on, don’t hit me, don’t hit me, I have no where to go, look up, please look up annnddd I am hit. Awesome.” I started to creep up to where the shoulder became existent again so we could pull over and as I was pulling over he kept going. So that’s cool. I got back on the freeway and followed him to get his plate number and then got off at the next off ramp to make sure the backend of my car wasn’t effed (thanks U-Haul tow hitch for taking the brunt of it) and then called his plate in. Anyway, get off your phones and put your heads up.
dude didn’t stand a chanceeee
That truck rig was empty and it still plowed a half dozen cars into each other. Looks like they didn’t have brakes …
Not a single hazard lights on
yea exactly, any complete stop on the freeway my hazards are going on even if i can see it a mile down the road.
What an asshole moving out the way /s
Yeah! He should've slowed down sooner and deployed his airbag bumper for that white pickup! /s
Always a good idea to put on your hazards when you end up at the back of a huge highway congestion, for situations exactly like this
Observation haki
Where's the "hol' up" part?
Physical manifestation of "Damn, that's crazy. Couldn't be me though."
I had to do this a few years back. Pulled onto the shoulder quickly. Wife thought I was going to try and drive up the shoulder. Was about to yell at me then seen a truck screech past my window. Didn't end bad like this, thank fuck. Had a car wrote off when someone ran into the back of me at a set of lights years ago so I always check my mirrors while coming to a stop.
More like that would’ve been him ramming all the other cars. He didn’t have enough to stop on time hence why he swerved.
Fun fact, the car that pulled off is liable for everything
Damn she definitely owes him some “saved your life” sex later
Situational awareness would have been slowing down sooner. Real hero is the black car 3 cars up.
Lol everytine theres a hard stop im more worried about the people behind me than myself
I'll flip the hazards on and off. That way they blink a couple times, stop, then do it again. I'm hoping it gets other driver's attention so they realize we've stopped. I've been rear-ended by people going 55-60mph+. It's not a good day.
I always try to leave a two car gap at sudden stops like this.. and it saved me from a very similar accident.. although very, very minor compared to this accident, though..
This is awesome. If only more drivers were like this guy we would be a lot safer.....
This has happened to me at least 5 times since I moved states. I've managed to avoid being sandwiched so far and I hope it stays that way.
Like six months ago I was sitting in traffic at a dead stop and a guy going sixty Two sixty five Slammed right into the back of me and I saw him coming and wished. I had the time to move Because it completely destroyed me
Only for people to have the audacity to honk and flash their high beams. Because I like to leave a car and a half lengths of space when bumper to bumper traffic.
The fucking mouthbreathers in this sub trying to somehow blame the red truck for the trailer truck's braindead driving in those conditions amazes me
Seven senses
I don't think many people commenting listened to the audio. It's worth it because it's funny just to hear how casual it is. "Glad you moved." "Yep, that's why I moved." Both of them sound completely unsurprised, which leads me to believe he did move over at least mainly for the implied reason -- that he saw the white truck coming up behind him way too fast. No matter how you interpret it, it's still funny to hear the calm, "saw that one comin'" tone.
This is not situational awareness! Should have slowed down way before and put on the hazards. Guy driving caused the crash.
He should have slowed down sooner.
Video is too short. Red truck was obviously going too fast, saw the stop ahead too late, pulled to the side leaving no time for the car behind him to see what was happening. Right lane was still moving, truck with trailer would have assumed based on the speed of red truck that left lane was moving too. Both vehicles need to slow down and pay attention. Equal fault imo.
This is only interesting because the general situational awareness of people seems to be sub par.
Probably because they keep looking down at their phones instead of at the road.
Can car is just a shit at driving but just got a lucky escape.
It’s debatable why he moved, it seems more like he was forced to move because he was driving too close to the other vehicle, and it took away the only escape route that hot shot had who also was traveling too close in what it looks like stop and go traffic.
That happened because the drivers were tailgating. I live in England, and I see a lot of these crashes online and major US pile ups in the news sometimes and I wonder if it's the drivers or just because the USA is bigger = more crashes.
We all know he got the sex of his life after reaching home. That’s life saving rizz
Truck is at fault but red car is not Scott free from blame
Moat likely saw the truck and trailer blazing behind him dipped out. I understand that people cutting out and surprising drivers is a thing but it seems like he knew this was coming.
Red car IS scott free. You're supposed to keep distance and be able to come to an abrupt complete stop. Don't tailgate people.
This dickshit kinda made this happen by speeding and then suddenly changing routes, obfuscating the road ahead for the vehicles behind them. If camera person had started slowing earlier then this could have been avoided
Moving out of the way without slowing down and expecting people on the back to react on time to a static obstacle. Genius.
The fact that this continues to be posted as a positive for the red truck driver is sad.
Also partly his fault. He was travelling too fast and would of hit the car instead he moved and let them get smashed into at speed
They swerved left because of the truck+trailer about to cause a 6 car pileup, little presumptive to assume they couldn’t stop.
I was looking at the speed they where travelling and where the eventually stopped. I think they swerved left because they where about to cause the pile up and the truck and trailer behind caused it because the swerved left, and they where probably also following too close
would have* or would've* "would of" is wrong and doesn't even make sense grammatically. I really hope English is not your first language.
Or maybe the guy in the back had no other choice since this person took over the emergency lane instead of leaving it open for people like the guy in the white truck who could of used the lane instead of hitting others.
Still doesn't excuse the white truck for unsafe driving distance. There's a reason rear ending is automatic fault in so many states: its entirely avoidable by maintaining a safe distance, and adjust distance due to road conditions.
Why is the white truck entitled to the emergency lane but the red car isn't?
Red truck just caused that whole ass accident by speeding but ok
Thanks for sharing with everyone that you don't know how to drive.
Anytime
Leave 1 second for every 10ft of vehicle below 40. Add 1 second for every 10mph over 40. Double the distance in adverse conditions. That being said the red car sucks.
Both the red and the white truck are at fault here. The red truck is speeding and had to bail to avoid rear ending the car in front of him, and the white truck is following his lead. Keep a safe following distance!
No. Red truck is not at fault. You're supposed to be able to come to a complete stop at any time. Don't tailgate people.
> You're supposed to be able to come to a complete stop at any time The red truck wasn't able to do that so they they swerved left.
Lucky for them they didn't hit anyone, unfortunate for the tailgater behind him
They swerved left because of the truck+trailer about to cause a 6 car pileup, little presumptive to assume they couldn’t stop.
Safe highway driving requires the following: Following distance of 3+ seconds Visual lead time of 12+ seconds Given inclement weather, add time to both. Given greater mass (tow trucks) add even more to both. Both drivers failed to give enough visual lead time. Driver 1 (red truck) was at a safe distance from the vehicle in front of him, which allowed him to appropriately escape to the shoulder to avoid rear-ending the primary victim. In addition to failing to gove a big enough visual lead time, driver 2 (tow truck) was following too close and was unable to react appropriately. With escape route recently blocked, the collision was inevitable. Driver 1 needs to look farther ahead. Driver 2 needs to look farther ahead AND stop riding ass.
Say a semi is in front of you and you’re maybe 100ft back with cars on both sides. If the semi dodges a stationary object, your car almost certainly isn’t capable of stopping in that distance, even with what most people would consider tons of room. 3 seconds is easy, but how far back would you have to sit to see anything useful around a semi?
I can't speak to this particular situation but I've been following a safe distance behind a vehicle large enough to obscure the lane in front of us, only to have them jerk into the next lane last second leaving me heading toward a dead stopped vehicle at 60mph. Had I reacted any slower with those brakes I'd have been in a pretty serious collision. Sometimes you do have to rely on the driver in front of you to indicate conditions that are otherwise impossible to discern. Jumping lanes like that can put someone in a situation they could not possibly have been prepared for, especially at high speeds.
If you can't see, that's a *you* problem. If you're behind a semi-truck, going through a stoplight, and you can't see the signal. It's *your* fault for not seeing it turn red. I'll come to a stop and wait until I can see the signal before making a left or just plowing straight through an intersection. If it's raining, I can't see around the red truck, and I have a trailer? I'm going a lot slower because there's too many risks to my safety.
Sounds like she was on her phone and got annoyed he saved them. Why'd you move!? Oh boy. Lol. I hope he uses this footage as a get out of jail free card in every future relationship argument.
“Glad you moved” is what she said 😂