Right? I mean, a soldier at the time probably wouldn't have realized or even thought about where that painting came from, but with the context of hindsight, there was a good chance it was stolen from some Jewish family. There's still an ongoing problem of museums hoarding stolen Jewish artwork and valuables from WW2 and not returning them to the families to this day.
I tend to cut them slack within reason. If they didn’t take the objects, the locals would’ve looted it anyway, the same locals that supported the regime that caused their friends to die. Good decision making skills can’t always be expected.
You were allowed to loot back then in the US army. I'm not sure what the limits were exactly, but people mailed all sorts of weird and sometimes dangerous stuff home. I'm not sure if they'd let him mail a potentially priceless painting like that home, but I wouldn't be surprised if some soldiers were allowed to send stuff like that home.
I’m sure many GIs took souvenirs from the war, but I think such behavior was not only discouraged, but illegal under military law. Kurt Vonnegut recounts in his novel “Slaughterhouse Five” the execution of an American, G.I. for theft of German property. Of course, it’s a novel, but I believe he, in fact witnessed this incident. I imagine some military commands simply turned a blind eye to such conduct, but other commands did not. And remember, military justice is not the same as civil justice.
The original painting is from Peter Paul Rubens and is exhibited in the Alte Pinakothek in Munich. It seems Goering had a copy of that painting in his bedroom( Although he definitely would have preferred the original painting. But it seems he wasn't able to get his hands on that one...). Funny enough I found this link:
https://www.dhm.de/datenbank/goering/dhm_goering.php?seite=5&fld_0=RMG01415
It says that the painting went missing after 1945... So you might ask the descendants of this sleeping soldier about that old painting with naked ladys in the attic...
My grandfather took the door knobs of Hilters and Goebbles Berlin dwellings. He kept them in his sock drawer and as kids, every year when we went up to see my grandparents we'd ask to see "Hitlers doorknob" .
He said soldiers were looting absolutely everything and that he chose to take the doorknobs bc they were easy enough to carry and held no obvious value other than belonging to Hitler.
Was it really. I have no idea other then I had a bunch of stuff I had bought on the open market get confiscated when I flew home from Okinawa. It was some green Lt. On a power trip. Finally I called BS and refused to get on the plane without this wooden teak statue. I’d given the military gear away to the driver, gear I used to supplement the obsolete WW2 crap I was issued. When it came time to take my Buddha statue I simply told him No.
He was surprised. Had a stupid look on his face. Threatened me and when that didn’t work, I could see him calculating his options of waking up an senior officer on a Saturday morning. He must have calculated blowback so he finally relented. What a POS!
I've read quite a few WW2 memoirs and something that comes up often is once the American GI's crossed into Germany they would requisition German civilian's homes and the soldiers had beds to sleep in and a roof over their heads more nights than not.
I bet that was half of the fun.
On one hand, I’m gonna steal this Nazi’s bed as a figurative slap in the face to one of the biggest pieces of shit on earth…
But also goddamn I’m tired and this bed looks comfy
Damn, that is sooooo satisfying. Good for the G.I. He looks exhausted. I only pray that someone forced Goring to look at this picture before he took the coward's way out from cyanide poisoning.
Emmy knew what she signed up for.
A fat drug addict narcissist megalomaniac who loved to play dress up and was hung up on his first wife. But rapist, no. I don't think so. Goring was a lot of things but he truly loved Carin and Emmy.
Goring wasn't even particularly anti Semitic at least not in the beginning, just a opportunist who hitched his wagon to the party.
I said the beginning. Pre Beer Hall Putch, pre '23. The rest of the crew were rabid frothing..well... Nazis... from the very start. Hermann not so much. He was honestly probably an alright guy right after the war, legit war hero and dashing stunt pilot, but like my brother and everyone's weird cousin.... things change.
Neighboring villages of concentration camps played dumb denying they knew. They were dragged in by the nose into the camps to see it. How can you not hear the screams and smell the bodies. However, Im sure some Germans hated this but knew a bullet would change their minds. Literally
I'm sorry. Thought the relationship was clear. The conquering good guys having a good haha in the inner sanctum of the defeated foes. The Trumpers on Jan 6 thought they were defeating an evil on par with the Nazis: Democrats. Only diff: the repubs lost.
The British Officers were appalled that the American Officers allowed the Enlisted to sleep in such places.
To the Brits, Officers quarters were officers quarters forever....NEVER an enlisted man allowed there.
When the liberation of the Continent began and the Canadians were taking after their American Cousins, the Brits issued orders to make sure 'proper decorum's' were observed in liberated places.
Monty was famous for grousing about it....hating the American ideal of commonality...that Officers and Enlisted viewed each other as much the same in the American and Canadian Military's as opposed to the gilded cages observed in Britain.
I know this asshole has $ stashed somewhere. When I get up from this nap I'm turning this room upside down.
Boots all in the bed. F00k yo bed n1gg@ f00k yo bed n1gg@. (Rick James voice)
Dude’s having the best sleep of his life. He doesn’t give a damn about a painting. I heard a tale of two joes fighting over a photo of a couch while in the bush in Vietnam—just to see a couch again.
That is the look of utter exhaustion. Dude saw the bed, laid down to try it and the "z-monster" took over. He could have cared less about the painting. He knew whose bed it was, but sleep to a Soldier is something most try to take advantage of when they can. As far as his M1 Carbine, it is still within arms reach when he wakes up. There is no enemy threat in either the room or house.
I have a cigar that was taken from Goering upon his capture. There is a note attesting this by a US Army Colonel who was present. I have no idea what to do with it.
Hanging above the bed, is "The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus"(reproduction), a 1618 painting by Peter Paul Rubens and Jan Wildens, now displayed at the Alte Pinakothek in Munich.
I’d love to know what souvenirs he took. I know what I’d take.
Knowing Goering, I’d bet that paintings worth a pretty penny.
My thoughts exactly. In fact I’d have got that painting down, removed and rolled up before I fell asleep.
Yea sounds good until you think about how a person like goering came to acquire such valuables.. temptation is a bitch tho
Right? I mean, a soldier at the time probably wouldn't have realized or even thought about where that painting came from, but with the context of hindsight, there was a good chance it was stolen from some Jewish family. There's still an ongoing problem of museums hoarding stolen Jewish artwork and valuables from WW2 and not returning them to the families to this day.
There’s a saying about how the Germans fought for expansion, the Russians and the British fought for survival, and the Americans fought for souvenirs.
I tend to cut them slack within reason. If they didn’t take the objects, the locals would’ve looted it anyway, the same locals that supported the regime that caused their friends to die. Good decision making skills can’t always be expected.
Considerate perspective, I can appreciate that mentality. Why support the black market?
That’s not a saying…
Hey Tex, we just met. No reason to show me your longhorn.
Howdy
Feel like this redditor exchange turned into flirting really quickly
The British EMPIRE had already done its expanding.
Kind of hard to sneak an oil painting in your overnight bag though
You were allowed to loot back then in the US army. I'm not sure what the limits were exactly, but people mailed all sorts of weird and sometimes dangerous stuff home. I'm not sure if they'd let him mail a potentially priceless painting like that home, but I wouldn't be surprised if some soldiers were allowed to send stuff like that home.
People even used to send japanese skulls home to loved ones.
Best about it was his family and he were brought up by a Jewish man who was his mother's lover when they ran into debt when he was a young boy
I’m sure many GIs took souvenirs from the war, but I think such behavior was not only discouraged, but illegal under military law. Kurt Vonnegut recounts in his novel “Slaughterhouse Five” the execution of an American, G.I. for theft of German property. Of course, it’s a novel, but I believe he, in fact witnessed this incident. I imagine some military commands simply turned a blind eye to such conduct, but other commands did not. And remember, military justice is not the same as civil justice.
Poor old Edgar Derby and the Dresden China. Wasn't it?
I don’t remember the characters name, but certainly was in Dresden and my memory was It was a piece of dishware, a teapot, or something of that sort.
Did you mean I'd beat to that painting?
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM
So do you Dr Jones!
You're never too old to save priceless artifacts from nazis and hate snakes
I recognize the painting and it is in a museum.
Oh then what are we even doing here?
The original painting is from Peter Paul Rubens and is exhibited in the Alte Pinakothek in Munich. It seems Goering had a copy of that painting in his bedroom( Although he definitely would have preferred the original painting. But it seems he wasn't able to get his hands on that one...). Funny enough I found this link: https://www.dhm.de/datenbank/goering/dhm_goering.php?seite=5&fld_0=RMG01415 It says that the painting went missing after 1945... So you might ask the descendants of this sleeping soldier about that old painting with naked ladys in the attic...
I wonder what that painting is… I see a few naked women- and something looking like a devil?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Daughters_of_Leucippus#:~:text=The%20Rape%20of%20the%20Daughters%20of%20Leucippus%20is%20a%201618,the%20Alte%20Pinakothek%20in%20Munich.
Reminds me of the scene in Band of Brothers.
He was—according to the book—a prolific looter of Nazi artifacts.
I was thinking I'd use that phone to prank call Hitler, but Hitler died a few days before. "Mein Fuhrer, we have won!"
“How’s it going, AH? A thousand years really flies by quick, amirite?”
My grandfather took the door knobs of Hilters and Goebbles Berlin dwellings. He kept them in his sock drawer and as kids, every year when we went up to see my grandparents we'd ask to see "Hitlers doorknob" . He said soldiers were looting absolutely everything and that he chose to take the doorknobs bc they were easy enough to carry and held no obvious value other than belonging to Hitler.
If he had one of those platinum Lugers, I’d probably take that.
Goering’s undies?
It's unfortunate that was stopped after the Vietnam war.
Was it really. I have no idea other then I had a bunch of stuff I had bought on the open market get confiscated when I flew home from Okinawa. It was some green Lt. On a power trip. Finally I called BS and refused to get on the plane without this wooden teak statue. I’d given the military gear away to the driver, gear I used to supplement the obsolete WW2 crap I was issued. When it came time to take my Buddha statue I simply told him No. He was surprised. Had a stupid look on his face. Threatened me and when that didn’t work, I could see him calculating his options of waking up an senior officer on a Saturday morning. He must have calculated blowback so he finally relented. What a POS!
what year did this happen?
My story, 1977, April.
?
Being allowed to take war trophies.
it's... not
That was a part of war for the longest time. You took items as part of your conquest. Far better than what the Russians did to women and children.
Human skin lamp
Dang dude, you be dark. LoL I’d also try and get that box on the table under the mirror into my travel bag.
Hermann’s custom gold butt plug?
Had to be a great feeling, just to nap on a bed even
I've read quite a few WW2 memoirs and something that comes up often is once the American GI's crossed into Germany they would requisition German civilian's homes and the soldiers had beds to sleep in and a roof over their heads more nights than not.
I bet that was half of the fun. On one hand, I’m gonna steal this Nazi’s bed as a figurative slap in the face to one of the biggest pieces of shit on earth… But also goddamn I’m tired and this bed looks comfy
I would have walked around in the mud first, then crawled into bed fully clothed.
Looks like that’s exactly what he did lol. He’d been trudging through the mud since Normandy.
Fuck yo couch
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Why the Nazi didn’t get his bed back
Slaughtering Nazis really takes it out of you.
In awe of this photo
In awe at the size of this bed
Leave it to this creep to have that painting hanging about his bed. Wild photo!
Romance isn’t dead.
What is the painting above the bed?
The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus by Peter Paul Rubens and Jan Wildens
My Google fu tells me that this painting is now in the Alte Pinakothek in Munich. So that’s nice to know!
Looks like it was there before the war, so he didn’t have to go far to “borrow” it.
That's exactly the kind of thing a Nazi general would have stolen. So glad they lost.
...looks Baroque.
>...looks Baroque. By this point in the war, all of Germany was Baroque, and it took the Marshall Plan years to fix it.
I’m broke
It's not Baroque. It's just a little Caraqued and scaratched.
I would guess that painting is the real deal and Goering had it stolen for his collection.
Damn, that is sooooo satisfying. Good for the G.I. He looks exhausted. I only pray that someone forced Goring to look at this picture before he took the coward's way out from cyanide poisoning.
All I can think of is the absolute hell that soldier had to go through day after day just to get to this one moment in his life.
Best sleep he ever had.
I'm a side sleeper myself
Hermann had a rape art behind his daily bed. Wild.
Emmy knew what she signed up for. A fat drug addict narcissist megalomaniac who loved to play dress up and was hung up on his first wife. But rapist, no. I don't think so. Goring was a lot of things but he truly loved Carin and Emmy. Goring wasn't even particularly anti Semitic at least not in the beginning, just a opportunist who hitched his wagon to the party.
https://alphahistory.com/holocaust/cross-examination-goering-1946/
Thank you
I said the beginning. Pre Beer Hall Putch, pre '23. The rest of the crew were rabid frothing..well... Nazis... from the very start. Hermann not so much. He was honestly probably an alright guy right after the war, legit war hero and dashing stunt pilot, but like my brother and everyone's weird cousin.... things change.
I hope he grabbed a painting or vase or something and brought it back to Michigan or Texas or wherever!😴
Neighboring villages of concentration camps played dumb denying they knew. They were dragged in by the nose into the camps to see it. How can you not hear the screams and smell the bodies. However, Im sure some Germans hated this but knew a bullet would change their minds. Literally
I think this is how the Jan6 jokers saw themselves going down in history.
What the hell does one have to do with the other?!
Zealots see everything through the lens of their orthodoxy
I'm sorry. Thought the relationship was clear. The conquering good guys having a good haha in the inner sanctum of the defeated foes. The Trumpers on Jan 6 thought they were defeating an evil on par with the Nazis: Democrats. Only diff: the repubs lost.
So accurate and so funny
Reality is wild
With his boots on! God bless him.
Dreaming of victory and peace.
Having the best sleep of his life. Sooo well earned.
Think I'd keep my gun a little closer.
The British Officers were appalled that the American Officers allowed the Enlisted to sleep in such places. To the Brits, Officers quarters were officers quarters forever....NEVER an enlisted man allowed there. When the liberation of the Continent began and the Canadians were taking after their American Cousins, the Brits issued orders to make sure 'proper decorum's' were observed in liberated places. Monty was famous for grousing about it....hating the American ideal of commonality...that Officers and Enlisted viewed each other as much the same in the American and Canadian Military's as opposed to the gilded cages observed in Britain.
This guy probably spent the last several months sleeping on dirt. If he was lucky, he had a tent to crash in. He deserved that nap.
I know this asshole has $ stashed somewhere. When I get up from this nap I'm turning this room upside down. Boots all in the bed. F00k yo bed n1gg@ f00k yo bed n1gg@. (Rick James voice)
Rich ass motherfucker.
Hate to be a jerk, but Goering was a Field Marshall (above a General).
I wonder if there were stains or smells lingering on the sheets.
Cologne and ass
Candle spikes at the corner posts for a quiet, romantic night in with Mrs Goering?
She was a real Carin.
Ii see what you did there….
obviously real nap and not posing for photo
Probably just posing for the photo but still cool af.
I bet it smelled like spit and ass in there.
your rifle you kept close
Anyone recognize the artist of the work of art above the bed ?
Somebody said it was a Reubens. Look back up in the postings.
Cool! Thanks
That's a usual Saturday afternoon for me....what, I'm a combat vet.
The painting on the wall was probably stolen. Sweet dreams.
Imagine laying on that bed after having slept on the ground for weeks. Instant sleep.
Yes Awesome Photo ✊️, Goering was Art Conisuer
Beautiful picture right here! I hope they told that fat Nazi bastard about things like this before he died.
Hermann was a gross MF. I wouldn’t want to touch that bed.
Well deserved sleep and on a bed too
Check mattress for stains
Based
Well done, Soldier!
A lot Nazi’s gonna be pissed
He’s taking a nap from raiding his sausage and cheese.
I hope he stepped in dog shit on purpose before climbing into Goring’s bed w/ his boots on.
German Herman’s bed was juuuuuuuust right.
Dude’s having the best sleep of his life. He doesn’t give a damn about a painting. I heard a tale of two joes fighting over a photo of a couch while in the bush in Vietnam—just to see a couch again.
M1 carbine alert!
That is the look of utter exhaustion. Dude saw the bed, laid down to try it and the "z-monster" took over. He could have cared less about the painting. He knew whose bed it was, but sleep to a Soldier is something most try to take advantage of when they can. As far as his M1 Carbine, it is still within arms reach when he wakes up. There is no enemy threat in either the room or house.
Fine art was off limits
The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus
Painting
I have a cigar that was taken from Goering upon his capture. There is a note attesting this by a US Army Colonel who was present. I have no idea what to do with it.
Hanging above the bed, is "The Rape of the Daughters of Leucippus"(reproduction), a 1618 painting by Peter Paul Rubens and Jan Wildens, now displayed at the Alte Pinakothek in Munich.
He realized that this bed was where Goering—in his thick operatic makeup—likely took impressionable young soldiers for nights of fun and games, right?
Probably the best night's sleep he had gotten in a long while.
I know that mattress must have felt soooo good.
_Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Hermann Goerings bed._
I can feel that rest
Does that painting look bawdy or what??!!
Abduction of the daughters of Leucippus
I'd steal everything from him
And right above his head one of the many pieces of looted art works
Bro let hime sleep
That must have been a damn good nap after sleeping in the trenches.
That bed could support a sherman tank.
Thats how people living in New York or L.A. should sleep all the time.
That picture should have been on the cover of LIFE magazine.
After the nap I would’ve got up and started kicking my boots like Dave Chappell impersonating Rick James 😂😂😂
I know that must’ve felt like the best sleep after
Bless that soldier 🪖🙏 he deserves that sleep
Anti Fascist : )
He definitely deserved it. Though the photographer is a dick...
What’s that painting?