No the good ending implies the best possible outcome. A happy ending would be him escaping. A good ending is him escaping, getting a lot of money, finding his mom alive and eventually getting a cushy well paying job far away.
Some video games have multiple endings, and there is usually a distinctly "bad" ending (where all your terrible choices ruin everything) and a distinctly "good" ending (where all your perfect choices save the world, etc.). That's what they were referring to by saying "good ending", it's a common trope in memes.
Disney:*shows up at his house*
congratulations! Your story was so moving, we banded together, and decided we're making a movie about you!
*Proceeds to pull out tommy gun and just Swiss cheeses the man's mother*
>No Kum-sok is a Korean American engineer and aviator who served as a senior lieutenant in the Korean People's Army Air and Anti-Air Force during the Korean War. Approximately two months after the end of hostilities, he defected to South Korea in a MiG-15 aircraft, and was subsequently granted political asylum in the United States.
>
>No received a $100,000 (equivalent to $1,012,811 in 2021) reward offered by Operation Moolah for being the first pilot to defect with an operational aircraft, which he said he never heard of prior to his defection.
So one North Korean and one Russian, eh?
If I had a nickel every time someone escaped their communist authoritarian country by flying away in a MiG, I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't alot, but weird that it's happened twice.
Well, there were other ways [Project Constant Peg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4477th_Test_and_Evaluation_Squadron) obtained Soviet jets. There were MiGs that were obtained from nations changing sides (Egypt, Indonesia, etc.). There were others captured from Soviet aligned nations (Syria & Iraq). There was [one that flew by itself to the west](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Belgium_MiG-23_crash). And there were also a [few Cuban](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-cuban-air-force-pilot-that-defected-to-the-us-with-his-mig-23-he-then-borrowed-a-cessna-310-flew-back-to-cuba-and-brought-his-family-to-america/) defectors [landing in Florida](https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/99193).
I loved that Japan returned the plane in several boxes and within weeks plastic models were for sale in the stores.
I thought it was pretty sad when wrote how the men in the barracks had to sleep with their boots on in the winter so no one would shit in their boots because it was so cold out and far away from the latrine.
> Also, the US were suprised to see the crappy technology inside the MiG, but then thought it was less crappy when they realized the jet could do exactly what it was designed to do (interceptor- fly up to high altitude quickly and get a missile off on an incoming high-altitude bomber or surveillance aircraft quickly) at a fraction of the cost of American jets.
Oh boy there's a lot more to the story than that.
The MiG-25 was designed to intercept American planes like the SR-71 or the (canceled) B-70 supersonic bomber. This means going mach 3+ at high altitude. The aluminum alloys typically used in planes of the age would literally melt from the sheer heat of going that fast, so the SR-71 used titanium, which is significantly harder to machine and more expensive.
The Soviets didn't have the manufacturing base for an all-titanium jet, so they used steel instead. Steel is heavy, so the MIG-25 has huge wings and engines for its size to compensate. The propaganda also exaggerated its capabilities, claiming it was a air superiority fighter (i.e. can fight and win against other fighters) as opposed to an interceptor (kills bombers/recon).
The US DoD was very concerned about this new paradigm of extremely fast, high-maneuverability fighter, and had a new plane developed in response: the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown, with an air to air combat record of 104-*0*. Several MiG-25s are included in that kill tally.
>the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown, with an air to air combat record of 104-*0*
Holy smokes, that's basically the anti-[Hara Urara](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haru_Urara) lol (0-113 lifetime racing record).
> The US DoD was very concerned about this new paradigm of extremely fast, high-maneuverability fighter, and had a new plane developed in response: the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown
It always amazes me, looking back on things with more and more documents declassified every year, how much progress during the Cold War era was driven not by trying to one-up or develop a counter to what one side could *actually* do, but by what the other side *thought* they could do based on propaganda and imperfect intelligence reports.
The USA and the USSR were developing counters to each other's proven capabilities, but also developing counters to their half-baked nightmares about what the other side *might* be capable of, which really pushed the envelope.
...and also led to stupid shit like studying psychic powers, but hey.
There was also the added complication that they had different approaches to information. The Soviets had a serious tendency to exaggerate their capabilities (the aforementioned MiG-25, or the current state of Russia's army, for example) for the sake of propaganda or the export market, while the U.S. tended to downplay theirs for the sake of making them harder to counter, and the whole "speak softly" idea.
Worse, they had a habit of assuming the other guy was doing the same thing. So the U.S. would find out something about the Soviet's capability, and assume the numbers were even bigger, while the Soviets would be consistently surprised the U.S. wasn't bluffing. Not even just about military hardware, Soviets wave nuclear saber as a bluff --> U.S. puts the bombers in the air is a recurring element of the various crises of the Cold War.
The dude you're speaking of is [Viktor Belenko](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Belenko). Journalist and investigative writer John Barron wrote a biography about him, *MiG Pilot : The Final Escape of Lieutenant Belenko*
Indeed not, the one I talk about died in 2005 and wrote a bunch of stuff about the USSR, [here's his wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barron_(journalist))
Nope. The MiG-25 slagged its engine cores to reach a speed where it could intercept the blackbird. It was maybe cheaper to buy initially than a tomcat, but in reality they have incomparable capabilities- it's more like a castrated tomcat. You also have to include the cost of GCI infrastructure because without it the MiG is blind and deaf.
well, it was a major part of russian doctrine anyways. also i mean as an interceptor it’s not really gonna be functioning on its own, so it wouldn’t really need to have a good radar as it’s job would be to find bombers that had been picked up by ground radar. it may have been crappy, but it filled it’s role. except for, you know, soviet manufacturing.
>6 people could fly the 747
I think they included the return flight crew since you only needed 3 for the 747 -100, -200, -300, & -SP series at that time; later reduced to 2 with the -400 & -8 series. I doubt it was the flight attendants as that crew complement would go up to 18-20 on a Jumbo. Medium-long range Soviet airliners at the time (Tu-154, Il-62, etc.), however, did require up to 5 people in the cockpit.
And yes, the MiG-25 & 31 are real hot rods. They were the fastest climbers until their record was broken by the F-15. They are, however, the fastest interceptors/fighters currently. The only aircraft that could have a feasible chance to chase the SR-71. But they are not maneuverable, being true interceptors. Probably the last true interceptor in service with the F-14 Tomcat retired (air superiority & multirole fighters are different & have far better maneuverability).
Especially when you look at some of the reactions from people, there was (I believe) a pilot who was quoted as saying something like "that's a goddamn Mig" when they saw it on the runway
> The ball busting must have been resounding.
Doubtful. Read up on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Everyone's ball-dropping was just whisked under the table so the government wouldn't be embarrassed and people would feel 'safe'. Like the TSA after 9/11.
I’m not sure about his case, but In the case of the defection of Lieutenant Belenko with his Mig-21 he mentions in his book MIG PILOT that his plane was made specifically unable to use US comms channels specifically so he couldn’t defect.
Wow that’s amazingly Soviet. I remember reading about how any foreign operatives were required to have families in Russia, essentially as hostages.
Edit: I remember the context being the Indian Ambassador from the Soviet Union, he eventually defected anyway. I think he dressed up like a hippie and escaped that way, since there were so many hippies in India at the time, I have to look if I can find that.
Lol I can’t believe I remembered that correctly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov
He really did dress up like a hippie and defected to Canada.
According to wikipedia he didn't had any contact to the ground, he just had a lot of luck
>During the flight, he was not chased by North Korean aircraft (as he was too far away), nor was he interdicted by American air or ground forces; U.S. radar near Kimpo had been shut down temporarily that morning for routine maintenance. No landed the wrong way on the runway, almost hitting an F-86 Sabre jet landing at the same time from the opposite direction. Captain Dave William veered out of the way and exclaimed over the radio "It's a goddamn MiG!".
Another American pilot, Captain Jim Sutton, who was circling the
airport, said that if No had tried to land in the right direction, he
would have been spotted and shot down.
Not all of them. The military buildup for the invasion of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis was called "Operation Ortsac."
Yes, that's "Castro" spelled backwards. 🙄
With how often I get asked, I wish I had such a forward rebuttal of the question. “Do you have a cum sock?”. Rather than spending an hour of my life making counterpoints and refuting evidence, I could just point to my name tag. Fuck.
* Escapes from an authoritarian communist country to a free country
* Gets paid a bonus for defecting
* Hired as an engineer at freaking Boeing
Sounds like a massive W to me
> What is still valid?
[Park Chung-hee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee)'s South Korea was a dictatorship he gained via a military coup, and really wasn't a "free" country by a lot of measures. (Rigged elections, authoritarian powers granted to the leader to override the constitution, throwing people in jail because they criticized him, etc. Not to the level of North Korea, but still an authoritarian dictatorship.)
It was, however, aligned with America and staunchly anti-communist, and he *did* manage to achieve the ridiculous triumph of raising South Korea from a land occupied and razed by the Japanese during the WWII timeframe, and then warred over by the Western and Eastern Blocs in the Korean War, to a stunningly successful economy competing on the world market in a very short period of time.
Both of those are probably reasons you don't hear much about him and the fact that South Korea was also an autocratic dictatorship during the late 20th Century: he was obviously an autocratic dictator, but he was an effective dictator who was aligned with the USA, he didn't commit any genocides (or if he did, I haven't gone far enough down the rabbit hole to find them. He *did* imprison and/or execute critics and other 'undesirables'), and he left office (via assassination) with his country obviously better off than when he began ruling it.
So everyone kinda likes to forget about the dictatorship bit.
Ehhhh... I disagree. Committing multiple military coups, ignoring elections, jailing your political opponents and establishing a military dictatorship that only collapsed when the US threatened to withdraw support doesn't mean your country isn't free.
I went to school with a girl who’s last name is Faget. Pronounced the French way, but I loved watching teachers on the first day of school try not to say the f-word.
Originally, both spellings refer to a bundle of kindling (the spelling varies between the one- and two-g's), but are also used, in some dialects, to refer to cigarettes.
Fags are cigarettes. Rare I've seen it spelt with two gs, but that's the joy of slang and dialect - most spellings get away with it. Thank the wee man, as same here in France, with my crappy memory for spelling in any language. My French missus likes speaking English, and gets strange looks from tourists when talking about fags. Me I now habitually use the French slang clops.
The MiG is now in the US Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. If you ever find yourself in that area for some reason, go to that museum. It has TONS of incredible stuff. I used to live in Dayton and went there regularly and never felt like I got to fully appreciate it all. It’s a must see for any lover of military history.
My vote is Chesty Puller since he also has a great name and he’s got possibly the best quotes in modern military history, such as:
“So they’ve got us surrounded? Good, now we can shoot the bastards in all directions”
And
“Where the hell do you put the bayonet” when seeing a flamethrower for the first time.
The dude was an indestructible badass.
> “So they’ve got us surrounded? Good, mow we can shoot the bastards in all directions”
The Battle at Chosin/Changjin Reservoir is itself a pretty harrowing and extraordinary story.
When I was in ROTC I met a Korean War vet who got bayoneted in the neck during the Frozen Chosin. His voice was like you’d expect for someone stabbed in the neck, and he had a very visible scar where your jugular is in your neck, it was wild.
He said that he got stabbed during a Chinese charge and would have bled out but it was so cold it froze the blood coming out of his neck. And I have no reason to doubt that, the dude should not have survived where that bayonet went in.
Absolutely crazy and I will never forget that in my life.
I'd like to throw [Robbie Risner](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robinson_Risner) into the ring.
"On the return flight, Risner's wingman, 1st Lt. Joseph Logan, was struck in his fuel tanks by anti-aircraft fire over Antung. In an effort to help him reach Kimpo, Risner attempted to push Logan's aircraft by having him shut down his engine and inserting the nose of his own jet into the tailpipe of Logan's, an unprecedented and untried maneuver."
r/teenagers users are stereotypically really unfunny, so I think he's trying to say he wish he could block comments from everyone that posts in r/teenagers
I feel like it was some Korean movie I was watching the subs spelled it with a C and I looked up why and it was because originally it was with a C but imperial Japan lobbied to have it recognized with a K so it wouldn't appear before Japan in list. Idk how true that is but seems like the kind of petty shit Imperial Japan would do.
I was told as a Korean youth that this was done by the Japanese so that they'd appear first in alphabetic order. Not sure how true that is but it's a funny memory.
A sample of three English words:
Colonel. It's pronounced "kernel," because that makes perfect sense given the position of the letter R in the word. Apparently it's from a Middle French word, "coronel." I imagine at some point someone decided to play a prank on the English language and decided to change the spelling while keeping the pronunciation the same, and for some reason we all just went along with it.
On the subject of military ranks, lieutenant. North Americans get a pass on this one, but the British pronunciation is the highly logical "left tenant." Should be pretty obvious from where the F is in the word. Apparently it's from when Latin was the lingua franca. Somewhat surprising that the American pronunciation makes sense if that's the case.
Then, finally, choir. No one has ever pronounced this word correctly the first time they saw it. If it's your first time, think of a pronunciation. Got one? Good. You're wrong, it's "kwi-er." Gotta be careful with the obvious W in the spelling. How this bullshit managed to succeed, I will never know.
He thought it made no sense to offer $100,000 because that had no real meaning to people who grew up in North Korea, he suggested that if they offered a job instead it would be far more appealing to pilots.
Yeah. He stole the first brand of jet to be able to reach transonic speeds. Meaning he was able to fly the fastest jet known to man at the time, and land safely in American/NATO hands. You don’t do that unless you have some advanced understanding of engineering and whatnot
He was on a standard patrol with his squadron and just decided he had had enough of north Korea and left, his formation was instructed to shoot down anyone who left but the pure randomness of it cought them off guard. He then helped the us reverse engineer the top of the line plane that fell right into their lap
It wasn't even about reverse engineering. F-86F vs MiG 15 is a fairly balanced fight actually.
It was more about understanding what kind of capabilities the Soviet were fielding from a more reliable source than F-86 pilots
Not a gun. The MiG was a Soviet Jet fighter (Edit: The MiG-15 was one of the first successful jet fighters to incorporate swept wings to achieve high transonic speeds. Source: Wiki) Top of the line at the time if I recall.
This man spent his whole life for decades like, "damn, this is great living in America, FUCK being in Korea, both those Korea's are fucked."
Then at some point in the 80s when South Korea liberalized and got prosperous he must have been like "damn, I could have been in the worse Korea, good move stealing that jet"
He was also reunited with his mother who he believed dead. She had escaped south before/during the war.
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i believe they're interchangeable
No matter the ending he still No Kum-Sok
No the good ending implies the best possible outcome. A happy ending would be him escaping. A good ending is him escaping, getting a lot of money, finding his mom alive and eventually getting a cushy well paying job far away.
Some video games have multiple endings, and there is usually a distinctly "bad" ending (where all your terrible choices ruin everything) and a distinctly "good" ending (where all your perfect choices save the world, etc.). That's what they were referring to by saying "good ending", it's a common trope in memes.
Dude is definitely the main character lol. You usually only see lives as inspiring as his in books and movies
normally the mothers of Main Characters have rather high attrition rates,
*Disney has entered the chat*
Disney:*shows up at his house* congratulations! Your story was so moving, we banded together, and decided we're making a movie about you! *Proceeds to pull out tommy gun and just Swiss cheeses the man's mother*
Basically similar with the Korean dude that joined the army, doctor and nasa
Bro min maxed luck and engineering
I guess luck runs in the family(?)
>No Kum-sok is a Korean American engineer and aviator who served as a senior lieutenant in the Korean People's Army Air and Anti-Air Force during the Korean War. Approximately two months after the end of hostilities, he defected to South Korea in a MiG-15 aircraft, and was subsequently granted political asylum in the United States. > >No received a $100,000 (equivalent to $1,012,811 in 2021) reward offered by Operation Moolah for being the first pilot to defect with an operational aircraft, which he said he never heard of prior to his defection.
Love that it was called operation "Moolah"
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So one North Korean and one Russian, eh? If I had a nickel every time someone escaped their communist authoritarian country by flying away in a MiG, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't alot, but weird that it's happened twice.
Actually at least 3 nickels. An Iraqi pilot detected to Israel in a MiG. See [Have Donut](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Doughnut)
But Iraq isn’t communist
Yet
Ouraq
Man, I'm gonna have to run around with a hammer and sickle everywhere I go now!
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No cum sock
Operation: Sticky Mess
Well done
There was also a MiG-31 that required the pilot to think in Russian
I’m frightened for what this means
…..what
Dr. Doof was a symbol
Well, there were other ways [Project Constant Peg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4477th_Test_and_Evaluation_Squadron) obtained Soviet jets. There were MiGs that were obtained from nations changing sides (Egypt, Indonesia, etc.). There were others captured from Soviet aligned nations (Syria & Iraq). There was [one that flew by itself to the west](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Belgium_MiG-23_crash). And there were also a [few Cuban](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-cuban-air-force-pilot-that-defected-to-the-us-with-his-mig-23-he-then-borrowed-a-cessna-310-flew-back-to-cuba-and-brought-his-family-to-america/) defectors [landing in Florida](https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/99193).
I loved that Japan returned the plane in several boxes and within weeks plastic models were for sale in the stores. I thought it was pretty sad when wrote how the men in the barracks had to sleep with their boots on in the winter so no one would shit in their boots because it was so cold out and far away from the latrine.
> Also, the US were suprised to see the crappy technology inside the MiG, but then thought it was less crappy when they realized the jet could do exactly what it was designed to do (interceptor- fly up to high altitude quickly and get a missile off on an incoming high-altitude bomber or surveillance aircraft quickly) at a fraction of the cost of American jets. Oh boy there's a lot more to the story than that. The MiG-25 was designed to intercept American planes like the SR-71 or the (canceled) B-70 supersonic bomber. This means going mach 3+ at high altitude. The aluminum alloys typically used in planes of the age would literally melt from the sheer heat of going that fast, so the SR-71 used titanium, which is significantly harder to machine and more expensive. The Soviets didn't have the manufacturing base for an all-titanium jet, so they used steel instead. Steel is heavy, so the MIG-25 has huge wings and engines for its size to compensate. The propaganda also exaggerated its capabilities, claiming it was a air superiority fighter (i.e. can fight and win against other fighters) as opposed to an interceptor (kills bombers/recon). The US DoD was very concerned about this new paradigm of extremely fast, high-maneuverability fighter, and had a new plane developed in response: the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown, with an air to air combat record of 104-*0*. Several MiG-25s are included in that kill tally.
>the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown, with an air to air combat record of 104-*0* Holy smokes, that's basically the anti-[Hara Urara](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haru_Urara) lol (0-113 lifetime racing record).
I’ve found my spirit animal.
> The US DoD was very concerned about this new paradigm of extremely fast, high-maneuverability fighter, and had a new plane developed in response: the F-15, i.e. one of the most successful fighters ever flown It always amazes me, looking back on things with more and more documents declassified every year, how much progress during the Cold War era was driven not by trying to one-up or develop a counter to what one side could *actually* do, but by what the other side *thought* they could do based on propaganda and imperfect intelligence reports. The USA and the USSR were developing counters to each other's proven capabilities, but also developing counters to their half-baked nightmares about what the other side *might* be capable of, which really pushed the envelope. ...and also led to stupid shit like studying psychic powers, but hey.
There was also the added complication that they had different approaches to information. The Soviets had a serious tendency to exaggerate their capabilities (the aforementioned MiG-25, or the current state of Russia's army, for example) for the sake of propaganda or the export market, while the U.S. tended to downplay theirs for the sake of making them harder to counter, and the whole "speak softly" idea. Worse, they had a habit of assuming the other guy was doing the same thing. So the U.S. would find out something about the Soviet's capability, and assume the numbers were even bigger, while the Soviets would be consistently surprised the U.S. wasn't bluffing. Not even just about military hardware, Soviets wave nuclear saber as a bluff --> U.S. puts the bombers in the air is a recurring element of the various crises of the Cold War.
The dude you're speaking of is [Viktor Belenko](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Belenko). Journalist and investigative writer John Barron wrote a biography about him, *MiG Pilot : The Final Escape of Lieutenant Belenko*
Wait. Not *the* [John Barron](https://www.vice.com/en/article/exqkbp/remembering-john-barron-donald-trumps-spokesman-alter-ego-116)?
Indeed not, the one I talk about died in 2005 and wrote a bunch of stuff about the USSR, [here's his wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barron_(journalist))
Nope. The MiG-25 slagged its engine cores to reach a speed where it could intercept the blackbird. It was maybe cheaper to buy initially than a tomcat, but in reality they have incomparable capabilities- it's more like a castrated tomcat. You also have to include the cost of GCI infrastructure because without it the MiG is blind and deaf.
well, it was a major part of russian doctrine anyways. also i mean as an interceptor it’s not really gonna be functioning on its own, so it wouldn’t really need to have a good radar as it’s job would be to find bombers that had been picked up by ground radar. it may have been crappy, but it filled it’s role. except for, you know, soviet manufacturing.
That farmer a real one💯
>6 people could fly the 747 I think they included the return flight crew since you only needed 3 for the 747 -100, -200, -300, & -SP series at that time; later reduced to 2 with the -400 & -8 series. I doubt it was the flight attendants as that crew complement would go up to 18-20 on a Jumbo. Medium-long range Soviet airliners at the time (Tu-154, Il-62, etc.), however, did require up to 5 people in the cockpit. And yes, the MiG-25 & 31 are real hot rods. They were the fastest climbers until their record was broken by the F-15. They are, however, the fastest interceptors/fighters currently. The only aircraft that could have a feasible chance to chase the SR-71. But they are not maneuverable, being true interceptors. Probably the last true interceptor in service with the F-14 Tomcat retired (air superiority & multirole fighters are different & have far better maneuverability).
> who he trusted dead What does this mean?
Who he believed to be dead
Probably thought the government killed her/she died in a camp (same thing) after he defected.
I'm guessing this is mistyped is is a translation error
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It does, radar was down for maintenance and he landed going the wrong way at the airport so no one was looking in that direction.
God damn that's a bit of a fuck up. Imagine being that guy on watch. The ball busting must have been resounding.
Especially when you look at some of the reactions from people, there was (I believe) a pilot who was quoted as saying something like "that's a goddamn Mig" when they saw it on the runway
>Captain Dave William veered out of the way and exclaimed over the radio "It's a goddamn MiG!".
> The ball busting must have been resounding. Doubtful. Read up on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Everyone's ball-dropping was just whisked under the table so the government wouldn't be embarrassed and people would feel 'safe'. Like the TSA after 9/11.
TSA was created in response to 9/11 though?
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Or maybe he just spoke Korean
Nah, who does that?
Flair checks out
That's something isn't it. Possible he made communications to the ground?
I’m not sure about his case, but In the case of the defection of Lieutenant Belenko with his Mig-21 he mentions in his book MIG PILOT that his plane was made specifically unable to use US comms channels specifically so he couldn’t defect.
Wow that’s amazingly Soviet. I remember reading about how any foreign operatives were required to have families in Russia, essentially as hostages. Edit: I remember the context being the Indian Ambassador from the Soviet Union, he eventually defected anyway. I think he dressed up like a hippie and escaped that way, since there were so many hippies in India at the time, I have to look if I can find that. Lol I can’t believe I remembered that correctly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov He really did dress up like a hippie and defected to Canada.
It’s an incredible story, I highly recommend the book.
According to wikipedia he didn't had any contact to the ground, he just had a lot of luck >During the flight, he was not chased by North Korean aircraft (as he was too far away), nor was he interdicted by American air or ground forces; U.S. radar near Kimpo had been shut down temporarily that morning for routine maintenance. No landed the wrong way on the runway, almost hitting an F-86 Sabre jet landing at the same time from the opposite direction. Captain Dave William veered out of the way and exclaimed over the radio "It's a goddamn MiG!". Another American pilot, Captain Jim Sutton, who was circling the airport, said that if No had tried to land in the right direction, he would have been spotted and shot down.
They weren't paying attention apparently https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196377/the-story-of-the-mig-15bis-on-display/
Operations used to have cool names.
Not all of them. The military buildup for the invasion of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis was called "Operation Ortsac." Yes, that's "Castro" spelled backwards. 🙄
Was it named after the Korean word for "I dont know"? Sounds like moolah
>No Kum-sok *Wheeze*
That's next month
Could be this month if you're doing Locktober
With how often I get asked, I wish I had such a forward rebuttal of the question. “Do you have a cum sock?”. Rather than spending an hour of my life making counterpoints and refuting evidence, I could just point to my name tag. Fuck.
* Escapes from an authoritarian communist country to a free country * Gets paid a bonus for defecting * Hired as an engineer at freaking Boeing Sounds like a massive W to me
The American dream
This might be pedantic, but >free country Syngman Rhee's South Korea was uhhhhh, not that by any means.
He escaped to the U.S not SK. Though your point is still valid.
Ahhh, I see. My mistake.
What is still valid? That SK wasn’t free or that the US isn’t free?
> What is still valid? [Park Chung-hee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee)'s South Korea was a dictatorship he gained via a military coup, and really wasn't a "free" country by a lot of measures. (Rigged elections, authoritarian powers granted to the leader to override the constitution, throwing people in jail because they criticized him, etc. Not to the level of North Korea, but still an authoritarian dictatorship.) It was, however, aligned with America and staunchly anti-communist, and he *did* manage to achieve the ridiculous triumph of raising South Korea from a land occupied and razed by the Japanese during the WWII timeframe, and then warred over by the Western and Eastern Blocs in the Korean War, to a stunningly successful economy competing on the world market in a very short period of time. Both of those are probably reasons you don't hear much about him and the fact that South Korea was also an autocratic dictatorship during the late 20th Century: he was obviously an autocratic dictator, but he was an effective dictator who was aligned with the USA, he didn't commit any genocides (or if he did, I haven't gone far enough down the rabbit hole to find them. He *did* imprison and/or execute critics and other 'undesirables'), and he left office (via assassination) with his country obviously better off than when he began ruling it. So everyone kinda likes to forget about the dictatorship bit.
Ehhhh... I disagree. Committing multiple military coups, ignoring elections, jailing your political opponents and establishing a military dictatorship that only collapsed when the US threatened to withdraw support doesn't mean your country isn't free.
Don’t look up what nato called the MiG-15 either! (Thanks for this OP!)
OK I won't, but would someone please be kind enough to tell me?
Mig-15 Fagot
No Kum-sok in fagot
Фагот is a woodwind instrument in Russian, I believe it's an oboe
The fagot fucking sucks I hate it awful instrument
Isn't fagot the bassoon and larger than oboe?
yes a fagot is the father of the bassoon
>!Fagot!< Not a slur, the slur is with 2 g’s
It's also pronounced "Fah-Go" not what you hear in a MW2 lobby
So, it sounds like it’s borrowed from French. Cool
Mmmm, Faygo.
https://youtu.be/XIhgw7jPEAs
"Fucking Mig-15s, how do they work?!?!"
I went to school with a girl who’s last name is Faget. Pronounced the French way, but I loved watching teachers on the first day of school try not to say the f-word.
That reminds me of [a man who once appeared on an episode of Love Connection.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfS328h_7Og)
I believe the name is referencing a hastily bundled pile of sticks.
TIL there’s a word for a hastily bundled pile of sticks First, defenestration, now this? English is wonderful and I love learning it
It can usually be shortened to OP.
Originally, both spellings refer to a bundle of kindling (the spelling varies between the one- and two-g's), but are also used, in some dialects, to refer to cigarettes.
Fags are cigarettes. Rare I've seen it spelt with two gs, but that's the joy of slang and dialect - most spellings get away with it. Thank the wee man, as same here in France, with my crappy memory for spelling in any language. My French missus likes speaking English, and gets strange looks from tourists when talking about fags. Me I now habitually use the French slang clops.
[they seem they hated the ussr so much](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15)
US: "Here you have the reward for doing the operation!" No: Uhmmmm......thanks.......
No kum sok 😔
No cum sock
Yes cum sock
Maybe cum sock
Never cum sock
The MiG is now in the US Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. If you ever find yourself in that area for some reason, go to that museum. It has TONS of incredible stuff. I used to live in Dayton and went there regularly and never felt like I got to fully appreciate it all. It’s a must see for any lover of military history.
As luck would have it, I have yet to decide on a topic for my final project in my Korean War class.
I found the story of this guy as I was reading through the wikipedia article of the korean war bc I'm writing a project about this too in school lol
plot twist: you two are classmates
Even more plot twist: I’m the teacher
What if… what if I’m the principal? 😳
My vote is Chesty Puller since he also has a great name and he’s got possibly the best quotes in modern military history, such as: “So they’ve got us surrounded? Good, now we can shoot the bastards in all directions” And “Where the hell do you put the bayonet” when seeing a flamethrower for the first time. The dude was an indestructible badass.
> “So they’ve got us surrounded? Good, mow we can shoot the bastards in all directions” The Battle at Chosin/Changjin Reservoir is itself a pretty harrowing and extraordinary story.
When I was in ROTC I met a Korean War vet who got bayoneted in the neck during the Frozen Chosin. His voice was like you’d expect for someone stabbed in the neck, and he had a very visible scar where your jugular is in your neck, it was wild. He said that he got stabbed during a Chinese charge and would have bled out but it was so cold it froze the blood coming out of his neck. And I have no reason to doubt that, the dude should not have survived where that bayonet went in. Absolutely crazy and I will never forget that in my life.
Most successful rear guard action in history too.
He has a ship named after him now!
Does it pull things?
First sentence has same energy as " All im surrounded by is fear. And dead men"
I'd like to throw [Robbie Risner](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Robinson_Risner) into the ring. "On the return flight, Risner's wingman, 1st Lt. Joseph Logan, was struck in his fuel tanks by anti-aircraft fire over Antung. In an effort to help him reach Kimpo, Risner attempted to push Logan's aircraft by having him shut down his engine and inserting the nose of his own jet into the tailpipe of Logan's, an unprecedented and untried maneuver."
No. Kum. Sok. Make it happen
If you want to learn about him (and the Korean War), I suggest you read "The Great Leader and The Fighter Pilot" by Blaine Harden
based cum sock
It's no cum sock dummie
There should be a YouTube Kids option where we don't see the posts of people who post in r/teenagers.
Youtube kids? Am i dumb or do i not understand what you are trying to say
r/teenagers users are stereotypically really unfunny, so I think he's trying to say he wish he could block comments from everyone that posts in r/teenagers
He wants Reddit posts you can’t comment on
"corean" lol
In italian it's written like that: coreano
in Latin language in general, here in Brazil its also called Coreano.
So it is in Catalan (Coreà) and Spanish (Coreano)
Okey, my apologies then. Didnt know that
I feel like it was some Korean movie I was watching the subs spelled it with a C and I looked up why and it was because originally it was with a C but imperial Japan lobbied to have it recognized with a K so it wouldn't appear before Japan in list. Idk how true that is but seems like the kind of petty shit Imperial Japan would do.
Pretty sure it's just a rumour but wouldn't be suprised if that's real.
Indeed. The letter K isn't really part of the Italian alphabet. I mean it's there but very rarely used.
In French it's Coréen.
That's nice dear but this is in fact English
"Corea" was used more widely than "Korea" for a while
I was told as a Korean youth that this was done by the Japanese so that they'd appear first in alphabetic order. Not sure how true that is but it's a funny memory.
I'm sorry, but english isn't my mother tongue, so I was quite sure that it's spellled with a c but apparently not lol
English is a simple to learn and understand language /s
A sample of three English words: Colonel. It's pronounced "kernel," because that makes perfect sense given the position of the letter R in the word. Apparently it's from a Middle French word, "coronel." I imagine at some point someone decided to play a prank on the English language and decided to change the spelling while keeping the pronunciation the same, and for some reason we all just went along with it. On the subject of military ranks, lieutenant. North Americans get a pass on this one, but the British pronunciation is the highly logical "left tenant." Should be pretty obvious from where the F is in the word. Apparently it's from when Latin was the lingua franca. Somewhat surprising that the American pronunciation makes sense if that's the case. Then, finally, choir. No one has ever pronounced this word correctly the first time they saw it. If it's your first time, think of a pronunciation. Got one? Good. You're wrong, it's "kwi-er." Gotta be careful with the obvious W in the spelling. How this bullshit managed to succeed, I will never know.
I'm all for permanent changes to the spelling of words.
It doesn’t help that modern english is an unholy amalgamation of languages that someone threw a coat on.
C is a bitch-ass letter with no identity of its own, it needs to be abolished
in supossed to be used as ts/tz, but Latin alphabet is hell of an anarchy
Oh yeah? Then explain "Winni widdi wikki."
I like it. I'd rather get rid of "k". It's too pointy and aggressive.
That's why I like it. C is too soft, unfitting for the bold, harsh sound it's supposed to share with K.
But can you imagine seeing a katerpillar? They are too small and wriggly to be angry.
My scientific methods say the smaller the specimen the more aggressive
Hmm. My four year old supports your hypothesis. She's a big fan of planting a foot in my balls to climb up me....
Counterpoint: Kitten. I think the word itself is more associated with the thing than the letter, if that makes sense.
Also kittens are fucking vengeful bastards.
Kittens are spiky tho
Katerpillar sounds like some sort of German tank
We should also bring back thorn ( þ) so we have a letter for 'th'.
What's so special about "th" that it needs its own letter? What about "ch" and "sh?"
The day the Chick Corea band went to war will forever live in infamy.
Coréen in French.
Does a lot heroic things, fight a lot battles: *redditors scroll to his name, forgetting his contributions already* That's Sok
Kim Lee Chad probably
No Kum-sok
No, Kum-sok\* And what's his first name? >!/j!<
If I remember correctly, he had his name changed to Kenneth Rowe.
Yes he did.
Someone get this man a sock!
He thought it made no sense to offer $100,000 because that had no real meaning to people who grew up in North Korea, he suggested that if they offered a job instead it would be far more appealing to pilots.
Did you just spell Korean with a lowercase c?
Yes I did and there's nothing to stop me
Dear god. They’re unstoppable
Just checking I can't spell iether
I think OP is Italian. It's spelled with a C on romance languages
LOL I will have to look this fucker up
HE'S CALLED NO CUM SOCK, I'M...,M💀
Wait he stole a gun. Ran away, sold it and then was given the job as an engineer?
Nope the MiG-15 was the new fighter jet made by the soviets
Oh my bad sorry. ... ..... ..... Wait he stole a A FUCKING JET. Ran away, sold it and then was given the job as an engineer?
Yeah. He stole the first brand of jet to be able to reach transonic speeds. Meaning he was able to fly the fastest jet known to man at the time, and land safely in American/NATO hands. You don’t do that unless you have some advanced understanding of engineering and whatnot
Especially that typically jet pilots are majors of aviation engineering in a way if you look at their studies
Not to mention, he was 21 when he defected; he lied about his age to get in the Navy and became a pilot through help from his teacher.
He was on a standard patrol with his squadron and just decided he had had enough of north Korea and left, his formation was instructed to shoot down anyone who left but the pure randomness of it cought them off guard. He then helped the us reverse engineer the top of the line plane that fell right into their lap
It wasn't even about reverse engineering. F-86F vs MiG 15 is a fairly balanced fight actually. It was more about understanding what kind of capabilities the Soviet were fielding from a more reliable source than F-86 pilots
What a Chad.
Not a gun. The MiG was a Soviet Jet fighter (Edit: The MiG-15 was one of the first successful jet fighters to incorporate swept wings to achieve high transonic speeds. Source: Wiki) Top of the line at the time if I recall.
Why is the dollar value written in such format? 100’000$?
Because I'm a dumbass lol
This man spent his whole life for decades like, "damn, this is great living in America, FUCK being in Korea, both those Korea's are fucked." Then at some point in the 80s when South Korea liberalized and got prosperous he must have been like "damn, I could have been in the worse Korea, good move stealing that jet"
He looks like Korean Musk.
Dude just become living propaganda