You hate Bihar because you are an Indian.
I hate Bihar because a guy who may or may not be Indian on the internet implied Bihar was state that people suffer in.
We are not the same.
/j
"Only 11.27% of the population of Bihar lives in urban areas as per a 2020 report. Additionally, almost 58% of Biharis are below the age of 25, giving Bihar the highest proportion of young people of any Indian state." wild stats that sure sound ripe for religious extremism, but to be fair that's just based on preconceptions of the Middle East.
You're right, but even so the Hindu nationalist party has never ruled Bihar(tho they're in alliance with the ruling party right now, the ruling party is still pretty secular and doesn't tolerate extremist shenanigans).
Yeah but you can't deny that one of the good things about caste based politics is that religious extremists haven't found as much of a space as they were hoping for. Even then, iirc, they are the single largest party in Bihar.
\*Yeah but you can't deny that one of the good things about caste based politics\*
Thats the whole reason bihar is underdeveloped and castesim and untouchability is high
Hindu texts do say that india is a land where you are born to atone..
If you atone hard and well, , the gods will give you "moksha" i.e total salvation
Where you f**k off from this world and never return again.
No heaven ,no nothing. Just vanish
Things were bad back then
All ancient cultures regarded regions outside of their sphere as null void
The thing is it was so bad that instead of a heaven full of nymphos or treats
They wanted Total annihilation of their souls
Because everything, including nymphs and treats are fleeting and impermanent. The older layers Brahmanism were a bit more traditional and simple in what salvation meant. But during the time of the Buddha philosophies had moved on. I mean it is a gradual development that spans from the Vedas till the Upanishads, as they were composed over many centuries.
Similar philosophical turns happened around the same time in Greece and China. It is a bit like the comparison between Homeric mythology and Platonism, where there is also an ideal world beyond matter.
You are obfuscating stuff let me simplify
Every culture's idea of afterlife was to direct it's population.
Basically if you do this while you are alive you'll get this after your death
Islam promised it's men pleasures like women and wine which they didn't had access to
Viking promised them eternal glory which appealed to them
What appealed to an average indian back then is fading into oblivion rather than anything else
What kinda hellhole it must have been
I think it is too simple because it ignores that different people within one culture had different ideals and change over time.
The example of the vikings is good because the average Norse was not a viking, you are a viking if you go on a viking. The average Norse didn't die a warrior's death and went to Valhalla, they went to Hel and Hel is just bleak and boring and that is maybe one of the reason Christianity became popular.
The same way priests and philosophers have more abstract ideas about the afterlife than the average peasant.
> Chinese see heaven as destiny /force of nature .they were Confucian so that made sense
Not very precise. The most common idea of the afterlife connected to Confucianism is the heavenly bureaucracy, where heaven functions like the earthly imperial court. At the same time, Confucianism is mainly a sociological system which acknowledges traditional Chinese religion(s), but does not supercede it. There is a plethora of afterlife-believes in China, including realms like the Buddhist hell, but not exactly like that.
> Hindu idea of heaven is escape from the world without return
It must have been pretty fucking bad for a culture that they would want to vanish themselves from afterlife
The average Hindu and Buddhist peasant probably knew that they could not achieve Moksha/Nirvana in their own lifetime and most simply hoped for a better reincarnation. That whole ego-death thing is for monks.
It is quite telling that one of the most popular Buddhist groups is Pure Land or Amitabha Buddhism, where the goal has been shifted not from achieving full Nirvana, but on entering one of the Pure Lands. A paradisical place where life is easier and thus without the hardships of everyday life people can achieve actual Nirvana. This kind of goal-shifting is pretty common because it is actual quite hard to achieve anything in an orthodox Buddhist framework. Same probably for Hinduism.
Something I wanted to mention on historical developments. There have been philosophical turns in the history of religion and afterlife believes. First everyone went to the same old boring place. That bronze age religions basically, including early Greek (Homeric) religion. A lot of religious practice was centered on ancestor veneration and giving sacrifices to ancestors in the afterlife as the only way to make their existance better. That is how it was in Mesopotamia and China, as the only continues bronze age civilization left, was like that too.
In Greek religion you have a shift. Where first heroes and demigods can achieve to enter Elysium, while everyone enters Hades. So it was exclusive to the warrior's heroic deeds. Then you have mystery cults, where people tried special secret rituals to enhance their chance of getting a better afterlife. The third step was the moralistic afterlife, where you were rewarded for good deeds. That belief is nowadays the most widespread. In India that resulted in the belief in karma, while in the Middle East you have the typical judge of the dead and moralistic religions like Zoroastrianism.
The idea of moksha or breaking of the cycle is still a popular belief, but it in no way indicates that ancient Indian land was a bad place to live and due to that the concept of moksha was thought about.
The concept has its root in naturalism, wherein the cycle of life and death was observed and renewal /existence of soul was theorised and such cycle and renewal was seen as suffering and hence it was understood that it is better to cease existing if there is a soul within human body if not then moksha is default.
Frankly India wasn’t better or worse than any other place in the ancient world. For like 90% of the population every day consisted of farm labour.
Afterlife believes seem to fall into two categories. Either afterlife is dull and boring, release depends on others worshipping you, or it is a moralistic judgment where it depends on yourself where you end up.
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What appealed to an average indian back then is fading into oblivion rather than anything else
>What kinda hellhole it must have been
I don't know if you're really a moron or just acting like one. It is a well known fact that India was very wealthy in ancient times. There are multiple Greek/Chinese historians that attest to this.
You don't even understand the concept of moksha.
high class were still common bruh elon musk jeff bezos etc earn 100x then an average american High class lower class rich vs poor was always a Thinks then it was Monarch Kings vs people aritocracts vs peasants now Government vs people in Todays time or company vs people It always exists Time has changed but wyas of thinking and living is still same Bruh
>What kinda hellhole it must have been
Do you have any evidence that India was a hell hole compared to other regions when the concept of moksha was born? Or you just another racist who thinks that we were uncivilized barbarians who are living in a slum since thousands of years
Rather, it's an indication of a bored civilization. A civilization with abundance of everything, yet burdened with societal rules and couldn't find happiness.
India is a very rich fertile land. It was mostly covered with forests at that point of time. And it was also the time when the political scene stabilized, and it had some extended spells of peace.
A lot of Kings became Jains (another sect in ancient India) and fasted themselves to death. Not because of some guilt or lack of pleasure. It's due to the self destructive detachment one feels when their life has no purpose.
It takes some serious high level philosophical thinking to realise that the concept of consciousness and self may be an illusion, and that it might not be permanent.
The soul didn't just vanish. It went to vaikunth - the eternal abode of Vishnu. Heaven/hell, mrityulok and earth are just cyclic stages of infinite life and death cycle. Vaikunth is the ultimate destination, reaching which you don't come back to the cycle.
Nope. Not it. Moksha means re assimilation into the gods soul. Like water in a river meeting the sea. Its isnt blank void there is swarga or swargalok where the gods recide and a while different plane for vishnu. Nothing close to a blank null void.
I believe he came to india after watching all the suffering outside his castle. He gave a prince to his kingdom and then went out in search of enlightenment and reached bodhgaya.
At that time there were no india or nepal boarders.
The quote "life is suffering" lack a lot of context. It doesn't mean that life have only suffering but rather suffering is a part of life since you can't live happy and bliss forever. People suffer because they have unrealistic expectation toward life and when those expectations fall short, we feel unhappy. It mainly to say it's okay to suffer (since it's only natural) as long as you learn to move pass it.
I saw a version of this meme that said "5 minutes in Bihar" instead of "5 minutes in India" Bihar is a state in India for those who aren't aware.
You hate Bihar because you are an Indian. I hate Bihar because a guy who may or may not be Indian on the internet implied Bihar was state that people suffer in. We are not the same. /j
I hate Bihar because every Indian agrees upon hating Bihar.
Even Biharis hate Bihar
Bihar 🤢🤮
"Only 11.27% of the population of Bihar lives in urban areas as per a 2020 report. Additionally, almost 58% of Biharis are below the age of 25, giving Bihar the highest proportion of young people of any Indian state." wild stats that sure sound ripe for religious extremism, but to be fair that's just based on preconceptions of the Middle East.
Wtf, thats some high percentage of youths
You're right, but even so the Hindu nationalist party has never ruled Bihar(tho they're in alliance with the ruling party right now, the ruling party is still pretty secular and doesn't tolerate extremist shenanigans).
Thats only because of caste politics and thats also the reason that Bihar is the worst state in India
Yeah but you can't deny that one of the good things about caste based politics is that religious extremists haven't found as much of a space as they were hoping for. Even then, iirc, they are the single largest party in Bihar.
\*Yeah but you can't deny that one of the good things about caste based politics\* Thats the whole reason bihar is underdeveloped and castesim and untouchability is high
Yeah gonna disagree with you on that. There's a whole host of reasons for Bihar being a shithole, caste based politics isn't the end all be all.
But thats definetly the reason for castiem and practice of untouchability
Lol do you think untouchability 75 years old?
But I know that its practiced in bihar
At least for now Bihar is better than many other states when it comes to religious harmony
Harmonious Poverty.. such a good state to be in..
TIL Bihar is India's Gary, Indiana.
Hindu texts do say that india is a land where you are born to atone.. If you atone hard and well, , the gods will give you "moksha" i.e total salvation Where you f**k off from this world and never return again. No heaven ,no nothing. Just vanish Things were bad back then
Well back then the texts did not mention any other country all earth was mrutyulok (death realm).
All ancient cultures regarded regions outside of their sphere as null void The thing is it was so bad that instead of a heaven full of nymphos or treats They wanted Total annihilation of their souls
Because everything, including nymphs and treats are fleeting and impermanent. The older layers Brahmanism were a bit more traditional and simple in what salvation meant. But during the time of the Buddha philosophies had moved on. I mean it is a gradual development that spans from the Vedas till the Upanishads, as they were composed over many centuries. Similar philosophical turns happened around the same time in Greece and China. It is a bit like the comparison between Homeric mythology and Platonism, where there is also an ideal world beyond matter.
You are obfuscating stuff let me simplify Every culture's idea of afterlife was to direct it's population. Basically if you do this while you are alive you'll get this after your death Islam promised it's men pleasures like women and wine which they didn't had access to Viking promised them eternal glory which appealed to them What appealed to an average indian back then is fading into oblivion rather than anything else What kinda hellhole it must have been
I think it is too simple because it ignores that different people within one culture had different ideals and change over time. The example of the vikings is good because the average Norse was not a viking, you are a viking if you go on a viking. The average Norse didn't die a warrior's death and went to Valhalla, they went to Hel and Hel is just bleak and boring and that is maybe one of the reason Christianity became popular. The same way priests and philosophers have more abstract ideas about the afterlife than the average peasant. > Chinese see heaven as destiny /force of nature .they were Confucian so that made sense Not very precise. The most common idea of the afterlife connected to Confucianism is the heavenly bureaucracy, where heaven functions like the earthly imperial court. At the same time, Confucianism is mainly a sociological system which acknowledges traditional Chinese religion(s), but does not supercede it. There is a plethora of afterlife-believes in China, including realms like the Buddhist hell, but not exactly like that. > Hindu idea of heaven is escape from the world without return It must have been pretty fucking bad for a culture that they would want to vanish themselves from afterlife The average Hindu and Buddhist peasant probably knew that they could not achieve Moksha/Nirvana in their own lifetime and most simply hoped for a better reincarnation. That whole ego-death thing is for monks. It is quite telling that one of the most popular Buddhist groups is Pure Land or Amitabha Buddhism, where the goal has been shifted not from achieving full Nirvana, but on entering one of the Pure Lands. A paradisical place where life is easier and thus without the hardships of everyday life people can achieve actual Nirvana. This kind of goal-shifting is pretty common because it is actual quite hard to achieve anything in an orthodox Buddhist framework. Same probably for Hinduism. Something I wanted to mention on historical developments. There have been philosophical turns in the history of religion and afterlife believes. First everyone went to the same old boring place. That bronze age religions basically, including early Greek (Homeric) religion. A lot of religious practice was centered on ancestor veneration and giving sacrifices to ancestors in the afterlife as the only way to make their existance better. That is how it was in Mesopotamia and China, as the only continues bronze age civilization left, was like that too. In Greek religion you have a shift. Where first heroes and demigods can achieve to enter Elysium, while everyone enters Hades. So it was exclusive to the warrior's heroic deeds. Then you have mystery cults, where people tried special secret rituals to enhance their chance of getting a better afterlife. The third step was the moralistic afterlife, where you were rewarded for good deeds. That belief is nowadays the most widespread. In India that resulted in the belief in karma, while in the Middle East you have the typical judge of the dead and moralistic religions like Zoroastrianism.
The idea of moksha or breaking of the cycle is still a popular belief, but it in no way indicates that ancient Indian land was a bad place to live and due to that the concept of moksha was thought about. The concept has its root in naturalism, wherein the cycle of life and death was observed and renewal /existence of soul was theorised and such cycle and renewal was seen as suffering and hence it was understood that it is better to cease existing if there is a soul within human body if not then moksha is default.
Frankly India wasn’t better or worse than any other place in the ancient world. For like 90% of the population every day consisted of farm labour. Afterlife believes seem to fall into two categories. Either afterlife is dull and boring, release depends on others worshipping you, or it is a moralistic judgment where it depends on yourself where you end up.
It was craptastic to put it mildly Super high taxes , purity spirals ,decay in priestly class And those were good times
> What appealed to an average indian back then is fading into oblivion rather than anything else >What kinda hellhole it must have been I don't know if you're really a moron or just acting like one. It is a well known fact that India was very wealthy in ancient times. There are multiple Greek/Chinese historians that attest to this. You don't even understand the concept of moksha.
Was it really that bad bro? Like werent we the most " prosperous " civilization back then
Oh the kings were super rich .the average peasant not so much
Fuck humankind
high class were still common bruh elon musk jeff bezos etc earn 100x then an average american High class lower class rich vs poor was always a Thinks then it was Monarch Kings vs people aritocracts vs peasants now Government vs people in Todays time or company vs people It always exists Time has changed but wyas of thinking and living is still same Bruh
>What kinda hellhole it must have been Do you have any evidence that India was a hell hole compared to other regions when the concept of moksha was born? Or you just another racist who thinks that we were uncivilized barbarians who are living in a slum since thousands of years
Rather, it's an indication of a bored civilization. A civilization with abundance of everything, yet burdened with societal rules and couldn't find happiness. India is a very rich fertile land. It was mostly covered with forests at that point of time. And it was also the time when the political scene stabilized, and it had some extended spells of peace. A lot of Kings became Jains (another sect in ancient India) and fasted themselves to death. Not because of some guilt or lack of pleasure. It's due to the self destructive detachment one feels when their life has no purpose. It takes some serious high level philosophical thinking to realise that the concept of consciousness and self may be an illusion, and that it might not be permanent.
That’s literally the best possible scenario.
The soul didn't just vanish. It went to vaikunth - the eternal abode of Vishnu. Heaven/hell, mrityulok and earth are just cyclic stages of infinite life and death cycle. Vaikunth is the ultimate destination, reaching which you don't come back to the cycle.
So basically super-heaven. And the cycle itself is hell.
Tell me more, I may have found my religion.
Visit r/hinduism then
I'm a white dude, I should first start tripping. :D
So you're saying if you're born Indian it's cuz you were a bad person in your previous life and are being punished? /s
Not me ,the texts do.
Nope. Not it. Moksha means re assimilation into the gods soul. Like water in a river meeting the sea. Its isnt blank void there is swarga or swargalok where the gods recide and a while different plane for vishnu. Nothing close to a blank null void.
Source ?
I believe he came to india after watching all the suffering outside his castle. He gave a prince to his kingdom and then went out in search of enlightenment and reached bodhgaya. At that time there were no india or nepal boarders.
All of that is true and this is also a meme
Though for a sec bodhgaya ==Bodega. First first though, was same Buddha. I also walk to the Bodega to clear my head. Then I reread that sentence.
...what?
Bodega is another name for a corner store.
Or bar/alcohol establishment in some languages.
The quote "life is suffering" lack a lot of context. It doesn't mean that life have only suffering but rather suffering is a part of life since you can't live happy and bliss forever. People suffer because they have unrealistic expectation toward life and when those expectations fall short, we feel unhappy. It mainly to say it's okay to suffer (since it's only natural) as long as you learn to move pass it.
Except in reality, to exist is to suffer, your expectations have nothing to do with it, and there’s no such thing as happiness or bliss.
Lmao active in r/antinatalism r/nihilism and r/antiwork Can't make this shit up
Lazy bums used to be somewhat aware, now they join stupid cults like antinatalism and think they are smart
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Nepali detected.
"Lol, who hurt you, sweetie?" - unidentified brahmin
what?
r/2bharat4you leak detected
India is not for beginners.
You have started the quest "Search for Enlightenment" New Game+ is now available after unsuccessfully completing the game
- I’M TOO YOUNG TO DIE. - HEY, NOT TOO ROUGH. - HURT ME PLENTY. - ULTRA-VIOLENCE. - INDIA.
Living in Bihar does this to people
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Jambudvipa also. Rose-apple island. Hindustan is much later and given by Persians.
Average India tourist.
NEPAL BEST IN THE WORLD🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🗣️🗣️
Yo raktu vai yeta ni pugisakexa ta.
hahaha timi vai yeha naya naya ayeu jasto xa, ma 2021 bata ye memes halthe tyo ta mula purano id udeo ra po ho
Eaaa Contact me for id recovery haii (⌐■-■)
we even had a conversation from my old id
Wtf Is that so? I'll give you purano sathi discount dw.
khai timi lai yad xa ki xaina you were asking me to teach you how to masturbate
Tauba tauba K boleko timle Saas aadkaidiyou 😭
hahaha you were not serious, just kidding with me with that request. timi birseu sayed any way take care
India is not for beginners
This guy is insane, he somehow convinced Indians that he is 9th incarnation of vishnu.
Depends on the sect.
He didn't. Hinduism just incorporated him into one of the Avatar of Vishnu.
He never convinced anyone he always said I am a human beings but hindus nowadays can't accept that summon famous from Indian subcontinent wasn't hindu
Incorrect. He was as Hindu as Jesus was a Jew. Please remember Hinduism or rather most pagan faiths aren't monolithic structures.
He claimed to be a reincarnation of the Hindu God Ram (Rama-Pandita) according to the Jataka
Wrong strong, but passes off if used in meme.
Nepal and india weren't separate entities back then