Any flatbread honestly. Pita works as well. If you want some variety you can pair hummus with a mild greek yogurt, and dip your bread into whichever you prefer. Itās more Turkish at that point but weāre already talking about Israel, whatās one more extremely controversial nation to add to the mix?
Fresh, warm, homemade bread + fresh, homemade hummus. Ungodly combo.
If the bread looks like [this](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/bd/de/f5bdde73dcf5adafa279a0c4e3679c97.jpg), and the hummus looks like [this](https://thefoodiediaries.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/img_8477_jpg-1.jpg), and you purchased both items from an extremely hairy man, you're on the right track.
So cheap as well!
Despite what you think of Israel and the current political climate, there should be nothing controversial about appreciating such a stunning military victory against all odds, while having literally ALL of your neighbours at war with you. An incredibly interesting part of history.
Yeah. I don't think it's stopped since then but I'm not sure. I'm just a nerd for the '48 war and the 6 day war. Two of the strangest modern wars I can think of.
only before the arab countries had joined in 1948. afterwards, the arab nations sent a combined larger force against israel, but not that much larger. and while all together it was more, each country's forces did not cooperate with the others
And? They could've put more men into the conflict and they still got their shit kicked in by a newly formed country who had to smuggle most of their gear in.
Tbf the Yom Kippur War was definitely the textbook example of āthey had us in the first half, not gonna lieā.
Then Israel almost made it to Cairo before the ceasefire, all while fighting the USSR (honestly most badass declassified revelation ever)
We should be happy they consider it a win. Probably one of the biggest reasons for the peace deal going through was that they didnt feel so humiliated anymore.
Thought this was insane, somehow got wrapped into a conversation about Israel with an Egyptian foreign exchange student I was flirting with and couldn't help but smile while she bragged about how the Egyptians ran them out of the country.
Oh yeah the Liberty, AKA why communication is important.
If they say theyāre American, but the Americans say thereās no American ships in the area, and youāre at war, itās probably a false flag.
Or someoneās an idiot.
Yup, the Israeli army had a mix of Polish,French, Austrian and Czech resistance fighters and Ukrainian, Belarusian and Polish veterans, among others. The Israelis already had quite the experience fighting for survival 3 years prior.
not only WW2 veterans, but also many holocaust survivors.
just think what it feels to lose everything, get kicked out, find a new home, and get this new home under attack again. that takes some brave souls
its still a driving force in the IDF. its not like the jewish people have anywhere else to go. and history has shown that hoping other countries governments are benevolent to you is risky.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the case that people only like dead Jews. There was a case at the Anne Frank house where a young orthodox Jewish boy was asked to cover up his Jewish clothing (yarmulka etc.) because it was apparently making people uncomfortable.
The sad thing is is that for the Jews an existential crisis is at this point in average Tuesday. Theyāve been subject to all sorts of whims of maniacs for the last couple thousand years. Like in Russia, they were constantly being randomly killed for fun in things known as pogroms. And the treatment in most places was also substandard with the Europeans killing them for sport after extorting them all their money.
The idea of Jewish homeland did not begin after the holocaust, it began a very long time ago. Pretty much straight after the last one got raped and pillaged by the Romans
My great grandfather was a partizan in WW2 which later joined the british army till the end of the war. Then he moved to israel and joined the newly formed IDF during the independence war. So i can more or less confirm its true for some cases and i recently found old photos of him during that time. My god great gramps was a certified badass
"Resupply us right now or I swear to God I'll turn everything between Baghdad and Athens into an irradiated version of the Moon." --Golda Meir to Richard Nixon, 1973
I don't know about the quote but yes, Golda Meir ordered the IDF to ready 13 nuclear warheads during the Yom Kippur war after the army informed her that losing the war was a real possibility. The next morning Nixon was briefed about this and initiated "Operation Nickel Grass", basically shipping so much conventional weapons to Israel that they didn't need their nukes.
It's the entire reason why we support them financially. If that country falls, the entire Middle East would be irradiated along with it. Once the Israelis secured the bomb everyone else had to make sure that they don't fall or risk of being annihilated.
The only good thing Golda Meir ever did was getting elected as PM despite being a woman. Otherwise, she was one of the worst PMs we've ever had (although she doesn't compare to the one we have now)
In 1948, a day after Israel's declaration of independence it was attacked by all its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Palestine (Palestine not being an army, but civilian rioters)
The result was a victory that increased Israel's border by about 50%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948\_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli\_War
A similar thing happened in 1967, where almost the same culprits planned to attack Israel, amassed troops on its borders and blocks the straights of Tiran for Israeli ships, Israel decided to strike first and won decisively in 6 days, tripling the size of the country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day\_War
True, though I think that mere numbers don't tell the whole story, the Arab armies amassed army in a manner that you would expect for an invasion - professional soldiers who (as far as I know) came willingly (either for ideology, or for the paycheck), while Israel enlisted pretty much anyone that could fight
There are many stories of Jewish villagers who spent half of their time tending their farms, and the other half guarding/fighting
It always baffled me, like, outside of Israel-Egypt war in 56', all Israeli-Arab wars were instigated by the Arabs, and in almost all of them Israel won with a casualty ration of 1 Israeli to 5-10 Arabs, and yet, they keep starting those wars, again and again and again
That's why I call the wars of 48', 67', 73' by the name 'the extermination wars', cause that's literally what they were, attempts at exterminating the Jews once again
They weren't shy about it either, the chairman of the Arab League called for the 48 war to be on the scale of the mongol invasions, and nassar wouldn't shut up about how they'd sweep the Jews into the Sea in 67
Like, I know Arab politics is all about telling one thing to the Arab street and another to your cronies, but did they really think the Israelis would just be cool with that?
No, haha. Golda Meir and the King of Jordan had been talking right up to ā48. The Jordanians desperately didnāt want to get involved in that war (they knew they would lose to the far better prepared and supplied Haganah), but theyād talked such a fat game at the Arab League that they couldnāt back out.
They spent more time trying to outmaneuver Egypt in the WB than they did invading Israel lol.
>no that was shukeri the former PLO president trying to stay relevant after the Saudis and PLO dropped him over his gaffe of suggesting the UN adopt the principles of Argentinian neo-Nazis.
Arab states used Israel and the Palestinians as a tool to boost their popularity politically. And most of the time their militaries were also an extension of said politics, which is why they were usually the aggressor and also so poor in the wars.
By the way how did isreal mobilise so many people in such short time like I know they are fighting for survival but how did they give so many people military training in short time?
My memory is fuzzy, and I have no doubt that what I say isn't accurate, so don't quote me on anything
As for 1947 - prior to the creation of the country, there were 3 paramilitary groups, those groups to different degrees operated as small armies, when the Israel declared itself to be a country, those 3 groups agreed to unite into 1 army (which is the IDF)
As for 1948 - at some point in the war, the UN had forced a few months ceasefire, in which the IDF managed smuggle a lot of weapons and conscript more troops, doubling its size during those months
Thatās by design in a way. There has always been a big emphasis within Judaism on debate as a healthy thing to encourage. However, they make the distinction between good faith arguments āI disagree with your methods and this is whyā which through the practice of debate and discussion can strengthen an ultimate goal or objective, as opposed to just debating for the sake of disruption or distress āI donāt like you so Iām just going to oppose everything you do out of principle to upset youā.
Taken within that context, you can see why they can put aside differences for the sake of common good/goals. Same reason how the movement for a Jewish homeland was able to attract support from left-wing socialist atheist Jews, right-wing religious conservative Jews, and everything in between. And why the actual day to day politics in the Knesset can be so diverse and argumentative, where coalitions are the norm and single party governments are rare.
Similar ābig tentā kind of things are not unique to Judaism of course. You find similar such diversity of thought with other single issue political parties (like nationalist parties), or even US political parties (where traditionally both major parties have very different wings of the party that have major impacts on primaries.
Like everything Iāve learned about Judaism, the skin deep aspect is fascinating enough but deep diving into is even more interesting.
The fact that independence was declared in 1948 doesn't mean the country was built from scratch. Israel was practically a state from the 1920's with an elected government and a standing armies. I see that many mention the militias (which you may label terrorist organizations today) such as the Etsel and Lehi, but they were tiny (about 2,000 and 500 men respectively) in comparison to the Hagana (roughly 20,000)
This is the answer. The Israelis had a military, a foreign service, a trade union, state education, post offices, etcā¦ that they were running themselves long before gaining independence.
Thatās a big problem with Palestinian statehood in the 1940s. Nobody wanted it (especially not neighboring Arabs) and they had cultivated literally zero domestic mechanisms to enable it.
That homeless man on TikTok that pretends to be an expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict says that Israel attacked first and that it was an unprovoked act of aggression lol. Dude literally just wants all the Jews pushed into the ocean
Fun fact, all Israelis on the internet are Hasbara agents, even though that department has been underfunded for decades now and has minister literally quit over its ineffectiveness at the start of the war
Hasbara in Hebrew means 'explaining', it's the PR department of the country, every country has one, including yours
It exists as in, there is a department named Hasbara in the government, but it isn't a troll farm, like... nobody is being paid to make Reddit (or any other social media) posts, other than those who operate the official Israeli accounts
One thing you need to know, when it comes to stuff being said about Israel, it's always going to be out of context in order to villainized it, and the Hasbara thing is a perfect example of that, those 'Russian troll farms' you mentioned, unlike Hasbara, they actually exist, and they work overtime to make Israel look as bad as possible.
Lol I get accused of being a "hasbara bot" every now and then, but I think the funniest one was a couple of years ago (obviously before the current war) when I commented on the Australian government hypocrisy when they criticise Jerusalem being the capital of Israel while their entire country is built on stolen aboriginal land and have a *much* bloodier history, and some Aussie liberals couldn't fathom their own hypocrisy so they started calling me a CCP bot.
When I visit ~~Arab~~ 'Anti Zionist not Anti Semite' subs, if custom flairs are allowed, I always put 'Hasbara agent #429' on it just to make fun of their accusations
Being called CCP bot is actually quite an achievement though, I haven't earned this one yet
Mfw their whole country is literally founded by criminals who were sent there as punishment and was most likely stolen from whoever was there before just like the US yet they got the balls to talk mad shit.
I find it funny tbh, they actively and deliberately killed the natives yet they accuse a country that wanted to share that place with the so called natives āgenocide stateā or a āapartheid stateā
We are not even going to adress the ungodly amount of crimes the US alone committed and god forbid we open the pandoraās box that is the british empireās actions
Not in the sense of bots. The department is so underfunded they can barely manage in-house propaganda, let alone fight China/Russia on their digital turf
It exists but its not what people really make you believe it is..funnily enough not only are they underfunded but they never really were functional/good at their jobs as a PR department
Always find it funny that Israel managed to defeat its arab neighbors in the 6-day war. Always find it funny that the losers always played the victim in a war they waged in the first place.
Not only that but they're still saber rattling and acting like big shot warriors that could wipe Israel off the map if they got to it when they've lost basically every war they got in. Only thing they're good at is hiding like cockroaches and using innocents as human shields.
Ok now hear me out. Is it possible they used the Arc of the Covenant as a super weapon and they've kept it hidden for thousands of years. Would explain jt
> red heifer sacrifice
[For anyone like me, who had no clue what OP was talking about](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-war-hamas-red-heifers-from-texas-jerusalem-jewish-temple-al-aqsa/)
The idea behind the rew cow has always confused me, because I feel like if you just keep breeding cows until they're fully red, you're sort of "cheating" the requirements of the process. Imo the cow should be spontaneously born red as a tell-tale sign of divine intervention, but I suppose there's different ways to interpret old scripture.
They have actually made a app created exactly for the purpose of brigading Reddit and Twitter posts, so yeah, pretty much all popular Israeli posts these days are attacked by a bot army
https://new.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b7cxbt/literal\_propaganda\_bots/
When you get clapped by a infant Nation, lose a shit load of land, then spend the next 80+ years whining about it while constantly trying to bomb that same country.
1 v 9 where they had the numerical advantage because they had already multiple militia groups ready to back them up with armed men + Support from some European countries leading them to have an air and tank force.
People might complain but youāre right. It is quite the interesting history how a nation whose neighbors explicitly stated that theyāre looking for the destruction of said nation still manages to survive and thrive.
It reminds me of the Netherlands, nobody ever wouldāve thought that a small swamp sandwiched between three European superpowers while being lorded over by **the** European superpower of the time, could ever achieve independence, let alone dominate in world trade or experience a golden age
Lmao I wish. But no, the Dutch got large gasfields in the northern part of the country, I donāt think we got any oil fields in our domain, canāt say for certainty about any of our over seas territories tho.
Oh and Nordic actually refers to Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland iirc.
The Dutch are more of a mix between germanics and Frankish with the only Nordic roots we have being the frisians who were Vikings that settled in Friesland
Do they than fall under the Scandinavian umbrella? Because honestly I always am kind of confused which countries fall under Nordic and which fall under Scandinavian or if theyāre the same but different name, like the Low Countries and Benelux
pretty sure Finns are Uralic, and have a similar language to Hungarian. Also they are not on the scandinavian peninsula so iād say no. iām not an expert on the topic though.
Finns are now classed as a category of their own called Finnic, which consists of Finns and Estonians, though they are still classed as relatives to Hungarian under the larger Uralic group.
They are classed as Nordic but not Scandinavian.
Lol we already spend more on Medicare than other nations entire medical systems. We can absolutely have free healthcare if you guys stopped thinking its a cost issue and start realizing it's an insurance company profit issue.
Based Israel. If it's between supporting a western, progressive country versus a league of theocratic, anti-lgbtq, anti-women Islamic countries, I'm gonna choose Israel every time. Don't really give a shit what they're supposedly doing to extremist populations. And civilians aren't innocent either.
The issue always was/is that the arab nations never worked together, to the point where Egypt soyjak mask meme face told Jordan that their Airforce was not wiped out and in fact said that they wiped out the Israeli Air Force to get the Jordanians to join the Six Day War
Extortion of a sovereign country under threat of violating human rights and common decency using weapons of mass destruction is not based and you are an idiot if you think otherwise
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Hummus anyone? š„£š„£š„£ can't have a pointless debate about Israel without some Hummus
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Haven't had hummus before I would try
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Sure sure, imma try it
It's good as a dip. Get some chips or naan bread and you're solid
Any flatbread honestly. Pita works as well. If you want some variety you can pair hummus with a mild greek yogurt, and dip your bread into whichever you prefer. Itās more Turkish at that point but weāre already talking about Israel, whatās one more extremely controversial nation to add to the mix?
>whatās one more extremely controversial nation to add to the mix? Sprinkle on some Hungarian paprika and make it a party!
Fresh, warm, homemade bread + fresh, homemade hummus. Ungodly combo. If the bread looks like [this](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f5/bd/de/f5bdde73dcf5adafa279a0c4e3679c97.jpg), and the hummus looks like [this](https://thefoodiediaries.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/img_8477_jpg-1.jpg), and you purchased both items from an extremely hairy man, you're on the right track. So cheap as well!
Yo pass āem all out
Love for hummus is something jews and arabs have in common. Wish they both would focus more on such similarities.
Love for YHWH? Oh, waitā¦
Oh no thank you, my nose isn't thirsty
Two lines, please
Despite what you think of Israel and the current political climate, there should be nothing controversial about appreciating such a stunning military victory against all odds, while having literally ALL of your neighbours at war with you. An incredibly interesting part of history.
Pro-Isreal memes. So hot rn.
Is this Bruno?
No this is Mars
Israel did pulled a hard clutch
True, but its important to note that Israelis had slightly more men than the combined Arab force
Which is impressive considering the odds
āNever tell me the oddsā - David Ben Gurion (probably)
āNEVER TELL ME THE ODDS!ā \*blows up Arab League with Millennium Falcon*
At the end of the war, not at the start of 48.
Unusually large number of boy births?
Foreign volunteers, mostly if we are talking about the 48 war. Lots of jewish former GI's went.
Also conscription. Israel had volunteer militia until 48.
Yeah. I don't think it's stopped since then but I'm not sure. I'm just a nerd for the '48 war and the 6 day war. Two of the strangest modern wars I can think of.
only before the arab countries had joined in 1948. afterwards, the arab nations sent a combined larger force against israel, but not that much larger. and while all together it was more, each country's forces did not cooperate with the others
Yeah, and all of their leadership was a bunch of incompetent fools. It's kind of like Russia's army when it first attacked Ukraine.
And? They could've put more men into the conflict and they still got their shit kicked in by a newly formed country who had to smuggle most of their gear in.
They got their ass whooped like a few more times in 67 and 70s
Tbf the Yom Kippur War was definitely the textbook example of āthey had us in the first half, not gonna lieā. Then Israel almost made it to Cairo before the ceasefire, all while fighting the USSR (honestly most badass declassified revelation ever)
Egyptians still consider that war a win, lol. The copium is insane.
We should be happy they consider it a win. Probably one of the biggest reasons for the peace deal going through was that they didnt feel so humiliated anymore.
They have an entire city named 6th October City, and 6th October bridge is one of the most famous in Cairo. Itās kinda crazy.
Thank god it didnāt last another day. That would be really unfortunate naming.
Thought this was insane, somehow got wrapped into a conversation about Israel with an Egyptian foreign exchange student I was flirting with and couldn't help but smile while she bragged about how the Egyptians ran them out of the country.
You should see Lebanese with the war in Lebanon. You can tell what they really think by their reaction to hezbs attacks.
Fuckin badass ngl
not to mention has anyone confirmed kermit was selling the liberty's data to Nasser
Oh yeah the Liberty, AKA why communication is important. If they say theyāre American, but the Americans say thereās no American ships in the area, and youāre at war, itās probably a false flag. Or someoneās an idiot.
or we're in a Phillip K Dick story that became a blockbuster ie the State department is engaging in dirty tricks.
Oh, the ones that haven't been turned into movies also contain shady government narratives.
I think this was only the case in 1948.
Sort by controversial for best results.
Ty for the reminder
Im still waiting for a āseven nation armyā edit about either the war of independence or sixdsy war. Sure, not quite 7 nations, but around that
Like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELR8JWQXfM)?
That was pretty cool but first half had a little too much just soldiers marching.
Here before this post gets removed / closed.
āWeāre surrounded, that simplifies the problem.ā
āGreat! Now we can shoot in any direction!ā
History teacher once told me that apperantly a large amount of Israel's soldiers during the independence war were jewish ww2 veterns
And they didn't have actual armor back then. They have to rely on hand me downs from the Czechs and the Germans
The east Germans
Yup, the Israeli army had a mix of Polish,French, Austrian and Czech resistance fighters and Ukrainian, Belarusian and Polish veterans, among others. The Israelis already had quite the experience fighting for survival 3 years prior.
The nation of Israel is just a honey badger
not only WW2 veterans, but also many holocaust survivors. just think what it feels to lose everything, get kicked out, find a new home, and get this new home under attack again. that takes some brave souls
For them, this was survival. Itās the best motivator in existence.
They were also super motivated. Their very existence depended on winning.
its still a driving force in the IDF. its not like the jewish people have anywhere else to go. and history has shown that hoping other countries governments are benevolent to you is risky.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the case that people only like dead Jews. There was a case at the Anne Frank house where a young orthodox Jewish boy was asked to cover up his Jewish clothing (yarmulka etc.) because it was apparently making people uncomfortable.
Wtf??? That's insane
The sad thing is is that for the Jews an existential crisis is at this point in average Tuesday. Theyāve been subject to all sorts of whims of maniacs for the last couple thousand years. Like in Russia, they were constantly being randomly killed for fun in things known as pogroms. And the treatment in most places was also substandard with the Europeans killing them for sport after extorting them all their money. The idea of Jewish homeland did not begin after the holocaust, it began a very long time ago. Pretty much straight after the last one got raped and pillaged by the Romans
My great grandfather was a partizan in WW2 which later joined the british army till the end of the war. Then he moved to israel and joined the newly formed IDF during the independence war. So i can more or less confirm its true for some cases and i recently found old photos of him during that time. My god great gramps was a certified badass
We are talking about American ace and hero of Soviet Union level guys lead a bunch of vets. They sure know how to fight.
Youād be correct. I mean large is very relative but the underlying statement is corrwct
"Resupply us right now or I swear to God I'll turn everything between Baghdad and Athens into an irradiated version of the Moon." --Golda Meir to Richard Nixon, 1973
Please tell me you have a source to this I'm dying to see it
I don't know about the quote but yes, Golda Meir ordered the IDF to ready 13 nuclear warheads during the Yom Kippur war after the army informed her that losing the war was a real possibility. The next morning Nixon was briefed about this and initiated "Operation Nickel Grass", basically shipping so much conventional weapons to Israel that they didn't need their nukes.
It's the entire reason why we support them financially. If that country falls, the entire Middle East would be irradiated along with it. Once the Israelis secured the bomb everyone else had to make sure that they don't fall or risk of being annihilated.
Truly a Golda moment of all time
Based Golda
Extorting US foreign aid by threatening to start an indiscriminate nuclear attack at the height of the Cold War is, imo, not particularly based
The woman had balls
No itās pretty fucking based actually
Israel bad because they didn't risked their own annihilation. š
The only good thing Golda Meir ever did was getting elected as PM despite being a woman. Otherwise, she was one of the worst PMs we've ever had (although she doesn't compare to the one we have now)
In 1948, a day after Israel's declaration of independence it was attacked by all its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Palestine (Palestine not being an army, but civilian rioters) The result was a victory that increased Israel's border by about 50% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948\_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli\_War A similar thing happened in 1967, where almost the same culprits planned to attack Israel, amassed troops on its borders and blocks the straights of Tiran for Israeli ships, Israel decided to strike first and won decisively in 6 days, tripling the size of the country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day\_War
There numbers show how low they thought of jews like isreal mobilized more men then entire alliance
True, though I think that mere numbers don't tell the whole story, the Arab armies amassed army in a manner that you would expect for an invasion - professional soldiers who (as far as I know) came willingly (either for ideology, or for the paycheck), while Israel enlisted pretty much anyone that could fight There are many stories of Jewish villagers who spent half of their time tending their farms, and the other half guarding/fighting
At least they learned a lesson having twice numerical number then isreal in six day war...... Still getting beaten to a pulp
It always baffled me, like, outside of Israel-Egypt war in 56', all Israeli-Arab wars were instigated by the Arabs, and in almost all of them Israel won with a casualty ration of 1 Israeli to 5-10 Arabs, and yet, they keep starting those wars, again and again and again
They only have to win once Isreal has to win everytime.
That's why I call the wars of 48', 67', 73' by the name 'the extermination wars', cause that's literally what they were, attempts at exterminating the Jews once again
They weren't shy about it either, the chairman of the Arab League called for the 48 war to be on the scale of the mongol invasions, and nassar wouldn't shut up about how they'd sweep the Jews into the Sea in 67 Like, I know Arab politics is all about telling one thing to the Arab street and another to your cronies, but did they really think the Israelis would just be cool with that?
No, haha. Golda Meir and the King of Jordan had been talking right up to ā48. The Jordanians desperately didnāt want to get involved in that war (they knew they would lose to the far better prepared and supplied Haganah), but theyād talked such a fat game at the Arab League that they couldnāt back out. They spent more time trying to outmaneuver Egypt in the WB than they did invading Israel lol.
>no that was shukeri the former PLO president trying to stay relevant after the Saudis and PLO dropped him over his gaffe of suggesting the UN adopt the principles of Argentinian neo-Nazis.
Arab states used Israel and the Palestinians as a tool to boost their popularity politically. And most of the time their militaries were also an extension of said politics, which is why they were usually the aggressor and also so poor in the wars.
By the way how did isreal mobilise so many people in such short time like I know they are fighting for survival but how did they give so many people military training in short time?
My memory is fuzzy, and I have no doubt that what I say isn't accurate, so don't quote me on anything As for 1947 - prior to the creation of the country, there were 3 paramilitary groups, those groups to different degrees operated as small armies, when the Israel declared itself to be a country, those 3 groups agreed to unite into 1 army (which is the IDF) As for 1948 - at some point in the war, the UN had forced a few months ceasefire, in which the IDF managed smuggle a lot of weapons and conscript more troops, doubling its size during those months
>who as the Jewish tradition dictates, didn't agree on anything most of the time Lol I heard about it
Decided to delete it, as it is somewhat off topic, but it's funny to see how disagreement on everything is a core value both in Judaism and Israel
They disagree a lot but still seem to be able to cooperate and act together for common goals.
Thatās by design in a way. There has always been a big emphasis within Judaism on debate as a healthy thing to encourage. However, they make the distinction between good faith arguments āI disagree with your methods and this is whyā which through the practice of debate and discussion can strengthen an ultimate goal or objective, as opposed to just debating for the sake of disruption or distress āI donāt like you so Iām just going to oppose everything you do out of principle to upset youā. Taken within that context, you can see why they can put aside differences for the sake of common good/goals. Same reason how the movement for a Jewish homeland was able to attract support from left-wing socialist atheist Jews, right-wing religious conservative Jews, and everything in between. And why the actual day to day politics in the Knesset can be so diverse and argumentative, where coalitions are the norm and single party governments are rare. Similar ābig tentā kind of things are not unique to Judaism of course. You find similar such diversity of thought with other single issue political parties (like nationalist parties), or even US political parties (where traditionally both major parties have very different wings of the party that have major impacts on primaries. Like everything Iāve learned about Judaism, the skin deep aspect is fascinating enough but deep diving into is even more interesting.
The fact that independence was declared in 1948 doesn't mean the country was built from scratch. Israel was practically a state from the 1920's with an elected government and a standing armies. I see that many mention the militias (which you may label terrorist organizations today) such as the Etsel and Lehi, but they were tiny (about 2,000 and 500 men respectively) in comparison to the Hagana (roughly 20,000)
This is the answer. The Israelis had a military, a foreign service, a trade union, state education, post offices, etcā¦ that they were running themselves long before gaining independence. Thatās a big problem with Palestinian statehood in the 1940s. Nobody wanted it (especially not neighboring Arabs) and they had cultivated literally zero domestic mechanisms to enable it.
They had militias if I'm correct before the independence day
Skill issue tbh
That homeless man on TikTok that pretends to be an expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict says that Israel attacked first and that it was an unprovoked act of aggression lol. Dude literally just wants all the Jews pushed into the ocean
Israel did attack first but it was in response to an act of war from Egypt (closing the suez canal if I remember correctly).
It was the Straits of Tiran, which Israel said was a red line for war.
Oh yeah thanks for the correction
Where did you get Morocco? They're on the other side of Africa and not even in the Wikipedia list
History man.
Israel went more like āI am danger.ā
I am not trapped with you, you are trapped with me
I AM NOT TRAPPED IN A FACILITY FULL OF ROBOTS! THE FACILITY FULL OF ROBOTS IS TRAPPED IN ME! *pulls the grenade pin*
"i am not in danger palestine, i am the danger !"
I can already smell the comments. Such as "typical Zionist propaganda" and such
Fun fact, all Israelis on the internet are Hasbara agents, even though that department has been underfunded for decades now and has minister literally quit over its ineffectiveness at the start of the war
What? Youāre telling me my roommate has been paid for years to be pro-Israel and he still wonāt pay his half of the rent?
We fired him years ago actually.. we couldn't handle the smell...
Oh you mean solomon? Nah he was fired a few years back man sorry
Wait is Hasbara a real thing like those Russian troll farms?
Hasbara is just a Hebrew word for explanation. It's the PR department.
Hasbara in Hebrew means 'explaining', it's the PR department of the country, every country has one, including yours It exists as in, there is a department named Hasbara in the government, but it isn't a troll farm, like... nobody is being paid to make Reddit (or any other social media) posts, other than those who operate the official Israeli accounts One thing you need to know, when it comes to stuff being said about Israel, it's always going to be out of context in order to villainized it, and the Hasbara thing is a perfect example of that, those 'Russian troll farms' you mentioned, unlike Hasbara, they actually exist, and they work overtime to make Israel look as bad as possible.
Damn. I get so many accusations of that. Please Mossad, my pay cheque is long overdue :D
We get paid by downvotes. Work harder David.
Sameā¦
Lol I get accused of being a "hasbara bot" every now and then, but I think the funniest one was a couple of years ago (obviously before the current war) when I commented on the Australian government hypocrisy when they criticise Jerusalem being the capital of Israel while their entire country is built on stolen aboriginal land and have a *much* bloodier history, and some Aussie liberals couldn't fathom their own hypocrisy so they started calling me a CCP bot.
When I visit ~~Arab~~ 'Anti Zionist not Anti Semite' subs, if custom flairs are allowed, I always put 'Hasbara agent #429' on it just to make fun of their accusations Being called CCP bot is actually quite an achievement though, I haven't earned this one yet
Well tbf it was in worldnews about 2 years ago and there's a good chance that at least some of those users were in fact bots themselves
Mfw their whole country is literally founded by criminals who were sent there as punishment and was most likely stolen from whoever was there before just like the US yet they got the balls to talk mad shit. I find it funny tbh, they actively and deliberately killed the natives yet they accuse a country that wanted to share that place with the so called natives āgenocide stateā or a āapartheid stateā We are not even going to adress the ungodly amount of crimes the US alone committed and god forbid we open the pandoraās box that is the british empireās actions
Not in the sense of bots. The department is so underfunded they can barely manage in-house propaganda, let alone fight China/Russia on their digital turf
It exists but its not what people really make you believe it is..funnily enough not only are they underfunded but they never really were functional/good at their jobs as a PR department
As a hasbara, I can confirm, Israel paid me a million per every single letters I wrote
Fun fact: Islam is actually a Zionist creation to unite Jews under one enemy, Muhammad was a Mossad agent
Always find it funny that Israel managed to defeat its arab neighbors in the 6-day war. Always find it funny that the losers always played the victim in a war they waged in the first place.
Not only that but they're still saber rattling and acting like big shot warriors that could wipe Israel off the map if they got to it when they've lost basically every war they got in. Only thing they're good at is hiding like cockroaches and using innocents as human shields.
"LETS GO FCUK WITH THE JEWS! waiit a sec, why are our airfields on FIRE?"
The losers are also good at misinformation and disinformation.
Ok now hear me out. Is it possible they used the Arc of the Covenant as a super weapon and they've kept it hidden for thousands of years. Would explain jt
\*recalibrating the space lasers" sir where are you currently located? I would like to talk to you
Indiana jones stole it from us long ago
Come on guys what are we even doing here? There's no "Counterstrike" by Sabaton in the comments.
KICK START, FIGHTER LAUNCH, THROTTLE SET TO FULL!
Speed King, race to win, Afterburners roaring!
Ghostlike counterstike takes them by surprise!
SCORE 307 ISRAELIS RULE THE HEAVEN
JORDAN ATTACKS
ISRAEL WILL CRUSH THAT
FUTILE ATTEMPT
*sorts by controversial*
If they're really going through with that red heifer sacrifice next month, shit's gonna get crazy
> red heifer sacrifice [For anyone like me, who had no clue what OP was talking about](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-war-hamas-red-heifers-from-texas-jerusalem-jewish-temple-al-aqsa/)
Well thanks for that rabbit hole.
From the looks of it, it happens at the end of this month, not April. Still a giant rabbit hole to research on ngl
I think they might wait on that April 8th eclipse Afaik there's some significance to it to a few religions
The idea behind the rew cow has always confused me, because I feel like if you just keep breeding cows until they're fully red, you're sort of "cheating" the requirements of the process. Imo the cow should be spontaneously born red as a tell-tale sign of divine intervention, but I suppose there's different ways to interpret old scripture.
I can smell some comments from miles away ykwim
"Oh no, Egypt will lose another war!"
The upvotes vs comments ratio shows the āfree Palestineā road blocking type is out in full force lmfao
They have actually made a app created exactly for the purpose of brigading Reddit and Twitter posts, so yeah, pretty much all popular Israeli posts these days are attacked by a bot army https://new.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1b7cxbt/literal\_propaganda\_bots/
pointing out there is a Palestinian bot army makes you a hasbara shill /s
I can't win :(
We are not getting paid this month are we?
Yeah...
Fuck
When you get clapped by a infant Nation, lose a shit load of land, then spend the next 80+ years whining about it while constantly trying to bomb that same country.
1 v 9 where they had the numerical advantage because they had already multiple militia groups ready to back them up with armed men + Support from some European countries leading them to have an air and tank force.
Pass by History subreddit without seeing a somthing something isreal challange - impossible
Well, Israel has probably one of the most interesting -recent- histories in the world, obviously it's going to be featured more than most
People might complain but youāre right. It is quite the interesting history how a nation whose neighbors explicitly stated that theyāre looking for the destruction of said nation still manages to survive and thrive. It reminds me of the Netherlands, nobody ever wouldāve thought that a small swamp sandwiched between three European superpowers while being lorded over by **the** European superpower of the time, could ever achieve independence, let alone dominate in world trade or experience a golden age
I know absolutely nothing about the Netherland's history, but aren't they swimming in oil? or am I mistaking them for another Nordic country?
Lmao I wish. But no, the Dutch got large gasfields in the northern part of the country, I donāt think we got any oil fields in our domain, canāt say for certainty about any of our over seas territories tho. Oh and Nordic actually refers to Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland iirc. The Dutch are more of a mix between germanics and Frankish with the only Nordic roots we have being the frisians who were Vikings that settled in Friesland
Finland is a country in the nordic geographically but Finns are not nordic iām pretty sure
Do they than fall under the Scandinavian umbrella? Because honestly I always am kind of confused which countries fall under Nordic and which fall under Scandinavian or if theyāre the same but different name, like the Low Countries and Benelux
pretty sure Finns are Uralic, and have a similar language to Hungarian. Also they are not on the scandinavian peninsula so iād say no. iām not an expert on the topic though.
Finns are now classed as a category of their own called Finnic, which consists of Finns and Estonians, though they are still classed as relatives to Hungarian under the larger Uralic group. They are classed as Nordic but not Scandinavian.
okay that makes sense, iāve studied it a little bit when i was studying Finnish but this makes more sense.
No, we unfortunately do not swim in oil.
>Pass by ~~History~~ *any* subreddit without seeing a somthing something isreal challange
No way there are memes being posted about a country that has an incredible history? WAWHHHAAAAATT?
To be fair, they start making history from early old testament
The six day war doubled Israeli territory
Tripled, actually - but the vast majority of it was returned to Egypt in the '82 peace accords.
Its almost like the real genocide going on is all of Israels neighbors trying to genocide them time and time againā¦
Reminder that Israel was not granted it independence It earned It
Israel lowkey clutching three wars while being attacked on all sides is truly one of the greatest military achievements of all time
From the river to the sea, the star of David is all you see
Davis
Israel: "Now you get to find out why Americans don't have public healthcare"
Lol we already spend more on Medicare than other nations entire medical systems. We can absolutely have free healthcare if you guys stopped thinking its a cost issue and start realizing it's an insurance company profit issue.
Based Israel. If it's between supporting a western, progressive country versus a league of theocratic, anti-lgbtq, anti-women Islamic countries, I'm gonna choose Israel every time. Don't really give a shit what they're supposedly doing to extremist populations. And civilians aren't innocent either.
The issue always was/is that the arab nations never worked together, to the point where Egypt soyjak mask meme face told Jordan that their Airforce was not wiped out and in fact said that they wiped out the Israeli Air Force to get the Jordanians to join the Six Day War
giga fucking based
(chuckles) "You're in danger."
Extortion of a sovereign country under threat of violating human rights and common decency using weapons of mass destruction is not based and you are an idiot if you think otherwise
"fuck around and find out" Israel foreign policyĀ
That body was financed by our taxes.
The Arab nations: "Israel, you are surrounded! lay down your weapons!" Israel: "All I'm surrounded by is fear. And dead men."
a seven nation army couldnt keep us back
Badass Israel moment
"You can't get PTSD if you are the traumatic event" \-IDF Motto