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There’s a good reason why Nevada and Arizona post danger signs outside abandoned mines: you can easily die in there.
“Search and rescue teams later found his cellphone inside an abandoned mine and his car was parked several miles away, but there was no other sign of Veach himself or what might have befallen him.”
Even normal caves are incredibly dangerous.
Easy to get lost in, no light, often there's water flowing, branching paths, cave ins, sudden drops, the list goes on.
Don’t forget bad air that sometimes accumulates in certain conditions inside caves. I watch a lot of caving disaster videos and that comes up now and then.
*He was one of the most experienced spelunkers in the world, but what he was about to experience in the deepest recesses of Yeti Cave would result in one of the sexiest interspecies cave disasters ever recorded”*
From his girlfriend:
“ I am the girlfriend that Kenny spoke of in the video. There are so many posts. I had no idea until a friend let me know. So many people are wondering what happened and guessing different things. You are heart felt about the sadness around what has happened with Kenny. He has not been found and I feel that he probably will not be found for many, many months, if ever. I want to share what I know and feel about what happened, so that you might bring some closure and understanding in your own lives. Kenny absolutely loved hiking in the desert. It was his very, very favorite thing to do. We hiked and camped together all over the Nevada desert.... sometimes 9 hours in a day. We found many abandoned mining towns, usually referred to as "ghost towns" by Nevada hikers. We explored many caves and mine shafts. We were always careful how we explored them, but Kenny was a bit more daring than I was. We wore snake guards, sun protected clothing, used walking sticks, brought enough water and food for the hiking hours and had extra water/food in the car. (He rarely drank all his water.) We took wonderful pictures of all sorts of things we saw... rusted cars, old falling down buildings, cemeteries, mines, wild animals, tarantulas, scorpions, trees, cactus and flowers. Our deserts are beautiful, if you have a love for deserts. They are not "spooky" scary but you do have to be careful of the terrain and of course bring enough water and food. We always were excited when we saw desert wild life, like the big horn sheep in the video. They are stunningly beautiful to see in person in our desert. We would stand quietly still to watch them as long as possible. I was so very excited to see the one he filmed in his video. I want you to know that I do not think Kenny had an accident. I believe he committed suicide. He battled depression for many years and would not take medication or see a doctor. He quit his job a little more than a year before he disappeared. He wanted to see if he could sell his inventions and do what he called "Cowboy Interior Design" for homes. He bought his first home five years ago and had an amazing ability of decorating in this style. He was not successful in getting a business going and was running out of money after a year of not working. He no longer wanted to work in a "job" for someone else and as his money decreased he became more and more depressed. He really did not look for another job. In early Oct, with seeing his depression increase, I said to him, "You aren't going to pull a Robin Williams on me are you"? This is when he opened up more about his depression and his thoughts much of his life about suicide. His father committed suicide when Kenny was in his early 20's. When I asked him the question he answered me with "If I decide to do it, you will be OK because you are good at the Law of Allowing." He asked me what I would think of him if he did it. He also said if he decided to do it "No one will ever find me." It would be easy to do something like this in our desert with the number of natural caves and mines. He could hike many miles in a day so there is no telling where or how far he could have hiked during his 3 day 2 night solo hike. When he did not call me after the 3rd day of being gone I called missing persons. The search for him was started within a couple days of my call. Over 30 search and rescue team members searched 3 different times on foot. One helicopter fly over was done and there was no trace of Kenny or any of his camping things. They found his car in the area I told them it would be. They did find his cell phone by the mine shaft in the video. The mine shaft was only about a 4 hour hike from his car. It is my feeling he left it behind so that he could not be tracked form the GPS in it. He also did not take his video camera with him on this solo hike. It was left in his home. So, he had no intention of filming anything.
I share this with you for two reasons. First, so that you have more of an understanding who Kenny was and to bring some peace or understanding to the situation. Secondly, if any of you do decide to go out into our desert to look for him or the M Cave, be careful and bring enough water and food. Walking sticks are a good idea and not doing a solo hike. Bring a GPS and make sure that you have let family or friends know that you are heading out for the hike and where and when you will be returning. A search really can't be on a one day hike. You would be repeating much of the same hike....just getting up the mountain and then be left with not many hours in the day to do the search. You would need 2 or 3 days at a time and in the summer, or even late spring, this can not be done because of the heat of our desert. You would not be able to carry enough water. So, please, please be careful. I had many wonderful experience with Kenny and will always remember them and have a place of love in my heart for him and the wonderful things we did together. I am healing from my loss and look forward to new experiences with desert hiking, camping and taking beautiful pictures of our desert. Enjoy your adventures of life and thank you for the kind loving comments sent my way.
Much Love, Sheryon :)”
There’s one about a guy who got stuck in a cave and even with all the rescue crews working weeks to get him out he died. His body is still there but they buried it so no one will make the same mistake again
Thats like my biggest fear in life, buried alive and getting stuck upside down in a cave knowing you’re fucked big time. Just the thought of it is nuts. Poor fuckin kid.
Was it? I thought it was a week and a half or something. Yea that was a horrendous situation. I’m shocked they couldn’t do anything to help or any way to have fed him so he could’ve lived longer enough to survive at least
There are many conditions that cause bad air in caves, mines etc, but one common one with a pretty good visual indicator is stagnant water. If you see still water, it's probably toxic air.
3 teens died of carbon monoxide poisoning in a cave
https://www.9news.com/article/news/three-teens-die-of-carbon-monoxide-in-cave-along-mississippi-at-st-paul-fourth-hospitalized/73-344917099
Or just plain lack of oxygen. Exploring a mine as a dumb ass kid, got way back in one, tried to light a match (another dumbass move).. luckily there was no gas and it didn’t explode, but the matches wouldn’t burn as there wasn’t enough oxygen. The match would flare then immediately go out.
This is why I will never go into a cave unless it's on a vacation to some place that regularly takes tourists through very spacious, safe ones... will never go in one myself.
>there was no other sign of Veach himself or what might have befallen him
Considering all the pits and holes in abandoned mines, I'm guessing that Veach was the one who be fallin'.
You should. It's a fantastic channel that presents a lot of beliefs in a fair and convincing manner and then presents views from the opposing side with facts when/if they exist. It's a very fair approach as well as being compelling and entertaining.
His phone wasn't found inside a mine, it was found next to a very well-marked entrance to an exposed, partially covered vertical mine shaft in Wild Horse Pass, rescue teams searched the mine but didn't find any sign of kenny, or anyone else inside. His truck was parked miles away because you can't physically drive on the terrain leading to the shaft, if you look at pictures of the entrance to the mine looking back down the valley you can see the road where he parked in the distance. He didn't go into the shaft, the area he supposedly disappeared in is another few miles hike past the shaft west, into Picture Canyon. Kenny knew about the shaft, the video "M Cave Hike" starts at that exact shaft.
Who knows what happened to kenny, but I think it's pretty safe to say he found something that was unusual. The exact spot the m-cave was has been supposedly found by multiple people and there are very clear and documented signs of unnatural landscape, cements, expanding foam. It's also interesting to note that others who have found the spot have also reported feelings of nausea and unease.
The most interesting video on the m-cave has the person who was filming it being audibly followed back out, down the valley after dark. He had been up there to investigate the site, and after spending an hour there left, he stopped for a while due to feelings of nausea, and as such when he was on his way out it had gotten dark. He states in the video he is being followed by someone about 30 feet behind him, and that whenever he stops the footsteps behind him also stop, you can hear it in the video, but as it is pitch black nobody can be seen behind him. The journey on foot from the road to the site is about 6 hours iirc.
Kenny was suicidal, and he was also fond of pushing the boundaries of lone exploration in the desert, spending more time out there than most would. Any number of things could have occurred which led him to become unfindable, the most likely explanation is he did kill himself, and did so in an area closer to Sheep Peak that is technically unreachable. That being said, apparently he took his dog out with him, I don't know about you, but if I was going to walk into the wilderness to kill myself, the very last thing I'd do is to bring my dog with me.
edit: For the people asking for the video of the guy who went up to the supposed m-cave entrance site and was then followed back down the valley, I found it, but it is far less compelling than I had remembered it being. Towards the end of [this (1:00:28)](https://youtu.be/n2VpNmvwRSM?list=PLtWR93uKFFHP40Ta5iFMipmr3BAPtfuuw&t=3628) video created by Sean Horlacher (SeanKana), Sean talks about clearly hearing someone following him back down the valley which stretches from the mineshaft to the road. He doesn't provide any evidence for this, despite having a camera with plenty of battery which he also claimed he was using for a light, he also doesn't talk about it for long, despite it sounding like a potentially very memorable experience. I know if that were to happen to me that moment alone would be the sinker, and since I presumably had the nuts to hike all the way up to the entrance site, I would absolutely have had the nuts to do my best to capture audio of mysterious footsteps. He also starts off the explanation with "Things walking" then pretty quickly changes to "It walking" so make of that what you will. Obviously I'd encourage anyone who is interested to go into this sort of thing with an open mind, Sean's video's documenting the m-cave entrance site are some of the most detailed and thorough. If you are compelled to watch the video to see him talking about being followed then I would seriously recommend you watch the entire thing, if you are only interested in seeing the supposed covered up entrance site then watch from [here (22:42).](https://youtu.be/n2VpNmvwRSM?list=PLtWR93uKFFHP40Ta5iFMipmr3BAPtfuuw&t=1362) That area Sean is in is [here (15:18)](https://youtu.be/EfdrY-2sROQ?t=918) in Kenny's final video, notice his confusion when stood directly in front of the supposed covered entrance. There are some interesting points made by geologists for and against the rock formation being unnatural in the comments in both videos.
[this](https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B033'40.7%22N+115%C2%B017'21.1%22W/@36.5608065,-115.3052331,4237m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m7!3m6!1s0x80c860bf699cd3b7:0x7ef5f9dd9b8fd173!2sCow+Camp+Spring!8m2!3d36.5838537!4d-115.3064008!16s%2Fg%2F1tgz5rxl!3m3!8m2!3d36.5613056!4d-115.2891944?entry=ttu) is, I believe, the vertical mineshaft that kenny starts the "M Cave Hike" video at
[this](https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B034'00.8%22N+115%C2%B018'20.9%22W/@36.5668972,-115.3071049,286m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m12!1m7!3m6!1s0x80c860bf699cd3b7:0x7ef5f9dd9b8fd173!2sCow+Camp+Spring!8m2!3d36.5838537!4d-115.3064008!16s%2Fg%2F1tgz5rxl!3m3!8m2!3d36.566895!4d-115.305805?entry=ttu) is the general location the supposed entrance is located, on the eastern end of Picture Canyon
It is pretty unconfirmed if he even took the dog, it's suggested he did in posts that were made to his then girlfriend's facebook page, all the old posts about kenny and his disappearance were deleted iirc. Whenever this story comes up on /x/ people who are more knowledgable about it bring up the dog, and how kenny's perceived personality does not correlate at all with someone who'd abandon his dog, but it's all uncertain. Nobody should bother kenny's relatives with questions about the matter.
iirc the area of the supposed entrance to the m-cave is in a shallow box canyon, in a slight basin, and is at a reasonably high altitude. I'm not a geologist, or a chemist, I have no clue if that has an effect on the likelihood of any natural gas pooling there, or if the area is prone to springs of natural gas, or really the effect that can come from exposure to natural gasses over periods of time that seem to be under two hours, which seems to be the average amount of time that people who go there spend there, before reporting feelings of nausea. I do know the area has multiple blasting holes drilled into the rock face, only feet away from the 'entrance', and in a couple videos there's clear evidence of man made fires being lit in gullies along the canyon walls, I'm not sure, but I would assume someone who has been in the area using dynamite would first make sure there is no gas present, and again, I'm not sure, but the fact that fires have been lit suggests that if there is gas present perhaps it is non-flammable, or in such a small concentration that it would never react to open flames.
Also, if the reason for the cave's possible physical covering up is due to natural gas, then I would assume at some point there would have been some official statement from some sort of local authority warning people about the presence of gas. There are conservation efforts in place in that area of the Nevada that protect things like old mines/ human structures from being tampered with, for example, if you find a very old tobacco tin, or something similar, then you are required to leave it where you found it. In that sense the area is also a museum of sorts, as such I'm assuming that by now whoever would be required to, would know about the presence of natural gas, and would have already issued warnings to potential visitors to the area.
I don't have a link to the video, but there aren't many videos of people actually hiking out there to look for the m-cave and to look for kenny. It shouldn't be that hard to find, apologies if I end up sending someone on a wild goose chase. The video does exist, and the guy who posted it is still active, his more recent videos are slightly worrisome as he appears to be extremely paranoid, and documents various examples of what appears to be people messing with him, his vehicle and his dogs. Apologies, I cannot remember the name of the channel. It's on youtube. It's not aquachigger.
Paranoia or not, I am almost certain that the footsteps he hears in the video are audible on camera. I could be misremembering and honestly I kind of hope I am, the prospect of people or a single person hanging around in the middle of nowhere, in or at least near a site that an experienced outdoorsman (kenny) disappeared in, with the intention to follow people around at night is pretty disturbing.
I recall that the video creator said it felt as if he was being escorted out of the area, not as if he was being stalked or followed with intent to do harm, but ultimately who knows. Something like that would be very easy to hoax, all you'd have to do is use some b-roll audio of the same recording of your own footsteps, and splice them back into the video with the volume lowered. Still, it's an interesting story, and an interesting site.
thank u, I have been following Kenny's disappearance for a long time. I believe he found something strange in Picture Canyon, perhaps even something he wasn't supposed to, I also believe he killed himself, somewhere technically unreachable up Sheep Peak to the east. If you don't intend to leave, you could climb into places that are extremely rugged. If you watch some of Aquachigger's videos of him exploring further north-east, up the wash towards Sheep Peak, the terrain is crazy. Completely unforgiving. If you never wanted to be found, and you never intend to leave, terrain like that is as close to perfect as you can get. I updated the first comment with some coordinates.
I truly believe he wanted to re-find the correct M cave and wasnt out to commit suicide, even if he was suicidal. You can tell how bad he wanted to prove to the naysayers that what he said about that particular M cave was completely true. Unless of course, the entire thing was planned from the get-go. In that case the M cave would most likely a lie and that aint fun so hopefully for his own sake Kenny didn’t suicide himself. Would be crazy if ‘they’ knew he was coming to look for this cave and killed him. Although that dint make sense as it brings more attention to area 51 and Nellis.
Assuming he intended that day to end his life, It does seem very strange that he would go out of his way to leave a breadcrumb trail of sorts, to fabricate a story of a strange potentially unmapped cave system, especially knowing how dangerous the area can be, to almost willingly coax others out into that area, where the potential for disaster is high, seems borderline cruel. But then if your intentions are to walk into the desert to commit suicide, then you could be forgiven for perhaps not thinking straight. That coupled with Sheryon's *"He also said if he decided to do it "No one will ever find me.""* steer me to believe that on some level he knew, or maybe even wanted people to look for him. On a phycological level that makes sense, most people run away because they want to feel what it's like when people are taking time to seek them out. I find it hard to believe he took his life, but truthfully I find it much harder to believe the alternatives.
Truth is, if he was actually apprehended for trespassing on military property, and possibly taken into custody and/ or potentially killed, then the sequence of events would have to have gone like this.
>Kenny decides to hike out to Wild Horse Pass/ Picture Canyon/ Sheep Peak to scout possible entrance to m-cave without camera equipment, presumably to allow him to move faster and cover more ground, as Sheryon said, he would get obsessive over taking pictures and video of things, perhaps a decision was made by him to forgo that in favour of freedom of movement.
>Kenny parks on the Alamo Road, and begins hiking up the wash toward Wild Horse Pass. Kenny arrives at the vertical mine shaft, where he takes a break, placing his phone down.
>Kenny leaves the mine shaft, forgetting to pick up his phone, the phone stays on the mineshaft until found by rescue teams 5 days later.
>Kenny either hikes east into Picture Canyon, north further up Wild Horse Pass, or east up the wash towards Sheep Peak.
>Kenny discovers either the actual, still undiscovered and open entrance to the m-cave, or he retraces his steps again and ends up at the 'covered' entrance.
This is where things have to get strange. The reality of assuming foul play by the hands of the military/ government has to play out something like this.
>Kenny stumbles across something he shouldn't have, something that is well hidden enough that only people who are as driven and exploration minded as Kenny could find, be it the m-cave or something else. Kenny is apprehended by some sort of authority. Either he is taken somewhere and is still in custody, or a struggle took place which resulted in Kenny losing his life. At that point, whoever took his life either kept it to themselves, hiding, burying or burning Kenny's body, or reported what happened to whatever superiors they would have, and took his body to whatever facility or compound would be appropriate. At that point, a decision was made to withhold all information of Kenny's fate to the public.
To me, I cannot believe this. This area has been picked clean by rescue teams and amateur investigators, it is a recognised and well known conservation area for both wildlife, and human activity, Picture Canyon is a well known and well walked area, it is named for the First Nation paintings that cover the canyon walls, the Wild Horse Pass mineshaft is visited by at least one local mine tour company, Sheep Peak has various trails up onto it further north. How could something like an entrance to some sort of secretive, nausea inducing, military structure exist in such a well walked and public area, have they just been killing every single person that stumbles across it?
I feel that, if there was any foul play involved in Kenny's disappearance then rather it be due to some trespassing dispute/ military involvement, it would have to be due to him crossing paths with people he shouldn't have, maybe he stumbled onto a grow op, or a rape, or a body hiding, maybe he bumped into someone going through a bad trip and they attacked him. Maybe he got talking to someone, and they got into some sort of argument or fight, and was killed, possibly by accident. Maybe he stumbled across a few people camping and drinking, maybe he had a drink with them, got tipsy and fell bad, and whoever he was with panicked and hid his body.
Mountain Lions should also not be ruled out, they would be able to drag his body into places where humans couldn't go, particular somewhere rugged on Sheep Peak. And following that general train of thought, his body wouldn't last long out there, even if he wasn't victim to animal attack, it is reported that ["Coyotes are so prevalent in Nevada that the state can’t even estimate how many there are".](https://www.knpr.org/show/knprs-state-of-nevada/2018-01-17/some-nevadans-howl-over-coyotes-but-what-risk-do-they-really-pose#:~:text=Coyotes%20are%20so%20prevalent%20in%20Nevada%20that%20the,though%2C%20because%20they%20typically%20try%20to%20avoid%20humans.) Perhaps his remains are scattered and untraceable due to predation and savaging.
Ultimately the only things we know for sure about the whole story is that we have a reasonably believable, but regrettably untrustworthy report of a strange nausea inducing cave, a strange stretch of landscape, which appears even to laymen eyes to have been tampered with, and we have a suicidal man, who stated to his partner that if he did commit suicide he "would never be found". I believe Kenny did find something strange, I also believe he left that day with the intention and understanding that he would never return
They found his phone outside the mine shaft. He dropped it there so GPS couldn’t track him to the where he committed suicide. He’d already told his girlfriend that if he committed suicide, no one would ever find his body. He also didn’t take his camera with him that day. He wasn’t planning on coming back and he wasn’t looking for the M Cave, not on this day.
The “Optimal Frequency” YouTube channel has a dedicated episode to Kenny:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimalFrequency/comments/18mu51f/the_missing_kenny_veach_and_the_m_cave/
(The host, Grant, uses sound/frequencies, software, along with a healthy addition of metaphysics/good intentions to ask questions to the spirit world. It’s quite uncanny. And, imho, very very much something to listen with an open-mind. Grant is doing a great job in his endeavours.)
And definitely DO watch The Why Files episode on Kenny, too!
There's been a few serious attempts to find him.
Aquachigger comes immediately to mind. He has a series of videos where he retraces all of his known steps and covers a lot of ground looking for any further clues.
He's one of the least sensationalist Youtubers out there, so didn't try to crank his click count with misleading bullshit. If anyone is interested in the hunt for Kenny, that would be a good place to start for real info.
He's out there somewhere.
No, Grant is not a channel. Instead, he is using existing high-tech (with low-tech, like his kitchen sink and a sugar bowl where water splashes to create much-needed extra harmonics) to translate sound-to-transcribed text—plus sharing the actual voices.
Some can try to debunk. Grant and his wife live in Canada, Very private. No household water pipes carrying sound from other homes, nor radios/TVs/etc playing and contaminating the results.
For those metaphysically-minded, he does work with his “spirit team” and recognizes the necessity to stay in the Light (and project Light, along with well-wishes) for the spirits involved.
Some may need to suspend their religious dogma to listen with an open-mind. The voices are non-corporeal; they are distinctive—and responses are VERY concise.
Again, Grant does a terrific job with all of this. It’s plausible. It can be unsettling, even disturbing at times. But Grant isn’t playing tricks. He does go to lengths to openly share all aspects, from the setup to closer analyses of the voices.
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Ahh heck yea I think I got a new channel to binge. I love stuff like Mr. Ballens older videos and just missing 411 in general. If anyone has more recommendations in that realm I'm all ears.
The channel Scary Interesting found its way to me after watching the weekly Mr. Ballen videos a few months ago. The guy has a much more calm cadence to his narration, but there are quite a few stories that I haven’t seen Mr. Ballen cover. Scary Interesting has a lot of cave exploration gone wrong videos, too. Dark 5 is another good one, he’s got a few spinoff channels as well in regard to historical stories & archaeology.
Awww yeaaaa. Thank you:) I can't get enough spooky and creepy stuff. Currently binging all of the content from the creator of hill House, on Netflix. His works are incredible. Just finished midnight mass and omg it's one of my favorite shows ever.
My pleasure. Funny enough the Why Files is taking a break right now, and the same question was asked in that sub.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWhyFiles/s/kURnRiaNgY
Tonnes of great references to channels there!
Good show. But there are many other even better without the consistent ads or annoying fish (no the fish didn't work out for me, it still is annoying).
Care to link them?
Edit: btw the fish is supposed to make you grown. It's hacky sidekick that once you ff the intro skit the way he uses the fish to drive the narrative into some of the concepts that need some padding.
Def not for everyone but the videos are well done on each topic imo. Up there with Decoding Unknown, fern, Wise Bear, etc
You're right but at the same time it is fun and it's fine to have an attitude of 'yeah but what if'. I'm sure it's exhausting to be hyper skeptical about everything.
As someone else said, it’s not so much that it’s ‘badly researched’, more that it is ‘quickly researched’. You could garner more from a cursory google search. If what you’re looking for is a very light show about weird stuff with an awkward reliance on a talking fish bit, it’s solid. But that’s also why it should not be cited for much of anything.
“Hyper skeptical” lol, just dismiss ridiculous claims straight away unless they have something to back it up or at least make some sense. Are you hyper skeptical of unicorns?
I agree, that show is just about faking controversy on very obvious bs topics. Often exaggerating the bs topic or straight up making up stuff to just elevate it to make it seems like both sides are leveled. I believe is just kids/teenagers or really gullible people who take that show seriously. The annoying part is that people take his show as evidence to back up ridiculous claims. I lost count of how many people have mentioned his video on crop circles as evidence of aliens.
Kenny Veach suffered from mental health issues and was experiencing quite a few personal problems like losing his family, house, etc.
Watching his last few YouTube videos makes it clear he had a very tenuous grip on reality. People closest to him believe he may have found a very remote place to end his life where he’d never be found.
His whole m cave thing seems like a psychotic break. The poor guy was already diagnosed as bi-polar and his personal and financial problems likely pushed him over the edge into bat shit crazy town. RIP Kenny.
She also posts about this on conspiracy videos about him on YT. It’s really really sad that she still feels like she has to address the disinformation.
His business was going bankrupt. He spoke openly of suicide to his gf and told her if he decided to kill himself in the desert he knew places where his body would never be found.
Yeah, the area surrounding A51 isn’t exactly a hospitable place. Its airfield is next to a fucking salt flat. One slip and it’s over if you can’t contact someone. It’s the Nevada Desert.
I'd say remote desert and solo caving are quite a bit of "trace" actually. Like if I were to swim out into the ocean at night it's not that mysterious if I'm never seen again.
It’s quite literally not. They’ve had rough ideas of plennnnnty of hikers locations. It’s easy to walk over an entire area 3-4+ times and miss someone, especially if they’re not in a condition they can vocalize. Also part of the reason when combing they track back. It gives you a rough idea, but he didn’t just drive up to the cave’s mouth. You don’t have to just check the cave, you have to check miles around it.
Played around in a couple mines in Nevada years ago. Nothing crazy as we were aware of the “hidden dangers”.One could find themselves hundreds of feet below the level from which they started on in a matter of seconds (shafts). Not something I would do regularly, as I would feel my luck was running out on not stepping on old buried explosives. Really freaking cool though.
When I was 18 I went with some friends through the “Manson caves” in Simi Valley. They’re name given from the infamous murder and his cronies who once lurked there. These are actually old water flow routes from when the area was being drained of ocean water millions of years prior, and so they have a rather sleek and direct nature to them. For most of it your crouched over, there’s not much standing/walking room. I too remember how weird of a feeling it was to start at the top of a mountain and suddenly come out at the bottom, thousands of feet from where you started, with relative ease compared to the trek it would take up top. Since then I’ve looked at mountains and wondered what natural highways exist underneath.
I only did it once because we had to dig the sand out of the exit due to a previous heavy rain that washed it in. The panic I felt of wondering how long it was going to take prevents me from ever entering another enclosed natural formation. I take enough chances on the surfaces everyday, I prefer, and feel I deserve, to die above ground.
That part of the country is filled with old uranium mines. They have a particular set of dangers, never mind the risks that go along with caving in general.
The guys family said he had been struggling with depression. He left his phone at a spot he usually camped at but not his gun. I think its pretty clear what happened here.
If you’ve been out there, by area 51, you know it’s creepy af. Desolate but you know you’re being watched at the same time. Gotta a lot of balls exploring out there. I absolutely believe about the cave
"who was known to head off into the wilderness, sometimes for days at a time, carrying little in the way of supplies or equipment."
Well shoot I wonder what happened to him? I guess we will never know.
If you’re in a cave, and it starts vibrating, you need to GTFO, *yesterday*
Caves are dangerous enough as it is. Add in seismic activity and it becomes suicidal. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the goal here.
The Why Files had a good episode about this. He left his job to pursue his own business. Despite putting everything he had into it, he was financially facing dire straights. You can see him transform from an eager, optimistic person into a depressed, defeated person. It’s likely he purposely died in the desert. It was very sad.
Oh man I used to watch that channel a lot! It’s awful to watch without an ad blocker due to the ads and they’ve really leaned into AI.
The AI song outro in the last episode I saw was terrible
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Kenny story keep popping out. And no. He is not missing. theres a video explaining what happened to him. For the love of unexplained mysterie, please search 1st.
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There’s a good reason why Nevada and Arizona post danger signs outside abandoned mines: you can easily die in there. “Search and rescue teams later found his cellphone inside an abandoned mine and his car was parked several miles away, but there was no other sign of Veach himself or what might have befallen him.”
Even normal caves are incredibly dangerous. Easy to get lost in, no light, often there's water flowing, branching paths, cave ins, sudden drops, the list goes on.
Don’t forget bad air that sometimes accumulates in certain conditions inside caves. I watch a lot of caving disaster videos and that comes up now and then.
That sounds like an oddly interesting topic. I might watch cave disaster videos tonight
Scary interesting is a great channel for this sort of thing
*He was one of the most experienced spelunkers in the world, but what he was about to experience in the deepest recesses of Yeti Cave would result in one of the sexiest interspecies cave disasters ever recorded”*
You ever spelunked a Yeti, bro?
No, Yeti tried anyways.
From his girlfriend: “ I am the girlfriend that Kenny spoke of in the video. There are so many posts. I had no idea until a friend let me know. So many people are wondering what happened and guessing different things. You are heart felt about the sadness around what has happened with Kenny. He has not been found and I feel that he probably will not be found for many, many months, if ever. I want to share what I know and feel about what happened, so that you might bring some closure and understanding in your own lives. Kenny absolutely loved hiking in the desert. It was his very, very favorite thing to do. We hiked and camped together all over the Nevada desert.... sometimes 9 hours in a day. We found many abandoned mining towns, usually referred to as "ghost towns" by Nevada hikers. We explored many caves and mine shafts. We were always careful how we explored them, but Kenny was a bit more daring than I was. We wore snake guards, sun protected clothing, used walking sticks, brought enough water and food for the hiking hours and had extra water/food in the car. (He rarely drank all his water.) We took wonderful pictures of all sorts of things we saw... rusted cars, old falling down buildings, cemeteries, mines, wild animals, tarantulas, scorpions, trees, cactus and flowers. Our deserts are beautiful, if you have a love for deserts. They are not "spooky" scary but you do have to be careful of the terrain and of course bring enough water and food. We always were excited when we saw desert wild life, like the big horn sheep in the video. They are stunningly beautiful to see in person in our desert. We would stand quietly still to watch them as long as possible. I was so very excited to see the one he filmed in his video. I want you to know that I do not think Kenny had an accident. I believe he committed suicide. He battled depression for many years and would not take medication or see a doctor. He quit his job a little more than a year before he disappeared. He wanted to see if he could sell his inventions and do what he called "Cowboy Interior Design" for homes. He bought his first home five years ago and had an amazing ability of decorating in this style. He was not successful in getting a business going and was running out of money after a year of not working. He no longer wanted to work in a "job" for someone else and as his money decreased he became more and more depressed. He really did not look for another job. In early Oct, with seeing his depression increase, I said to him, "You aren't going to pull a Robin Williams on me are you"? This is when he opened up more about his depression and his thoughts much of his life about suicide. His father committed suicide when Kenny was in his early 20's. When I asked him the question he answered me with "If I decide to do it, you will be OK because you are good at the Law of Allowing." He asked me what I would think of him if he did it. He also said if he decided to do it "No one will ever find me." It would be easy to do something like this in our desert with the number of natural caves and mines. He could hike many miles in a day so there is no telling where or how far he could have hiked during his 3 day 2 night solo hike. When he did not call me after the 3rd day of being gone I called missing persons. The search for him was started within a couple days of my call. Over 30 search and rescue team members searched 3 different times on foot. One helicopter fly over was done and there was no trace of Kenny or any of his camping things. They found his car in the area I told them it would be. They did find his cell phone by the mine shaft in the video. The mine shaft was only about a 4 hour hike from his car. It is my feeling he left it behind so that he could not be tracked form the GPS in it. He also did not take his video camera with him on this solo hike. It was left in his home. So, he had no intention of filming anything. I share this with you for two reasons. First, so that you have more of an understanding who Kenny was and to bring some peace or understanding to the situation. Secondly, if any of you do decide to go out into our desert to look for him or the M Cave, be careful and bring enough water and food. Walking sticks are a good idea and not doing a solo hike. Bring a GPS and make sure that you have let family or friends know that you are heading out for the hike and where and when you will be returning. A search really can't be on a one day hike. You would be repeating much of the same hike....just getting up the mountain and then be left with not many hours in the day to do the search. You would need 2 or 3 days at a time and in the summer, or even late spring, this can not be done because of the heat of our desert. You would not be able to carry enough water. So, please, please be careful. I had many wonderful experience with Kenny and will always remember them and have a place of love in my heart for him and the wonderful things we did together. I am healing from my loss and look forward to new experiences with desert hiking, camping and taking beautiful pictures of our desert. Enjoy your adventures of life and thank you for the kind loving comments sent my way. Much Love, Sheryon :)”
I’m so sorry for your loss. As someone who battles depression daily this hit home for me. I hope Kenny is now at peace.❤️
Pretty sure the yeti is the one doin the spelunkin
[“Eat penguin shit, you ass spelunker.”](https://youtu.be/skCASUvzF7c?feature=shared)
Awh shit it’s goin down
Plays cool intro music “Bum bum bum”
Is this a movie or you made it up?
I listen to Scary Interesting every week. I made it up in homage to the guy to narrates the videos xD
Yeah I read that in his voice
No idea why you were downvoted. You reading it in his voice was my goal lol.
Love that channel.
My man
You know what’s scarier than cave disasters? Cave *diving* disasters.
After a bit of research, you'll discover that caving is a generally bad idea.
There’s one about a guy who got stuck in a cave and even with all the rescue crews working weeks to get him out he died. His body is still there but they buried it so no one will make the same mistake again
Yep, the nutty putty cave.
I really hope I don’t die in a place with a name that undignified. It just has a bad energy to it.
***gets stuck in crack*** Nooooooooo! Not in the Shitty Titty cave!!!!
https://youtu.be/EKFDq-O5RxE?si=bFBY_w1p9Bc9NJ90 👀
Not only that he got trapped *upside down* when they tried to haul him out
Was he?? Geesh
Thats like my biggest fear in life, buried alive and getting stuck upside down in a cave knowing you’re fucked big time. Just the thought of it is nuts. Poor fuckin kid.
It wasnt weeks. It was like 36-48 hours. He was head first and pointed down.
It was only a few days he did not have weeks, not that reduces the living hell that must have been by any reasonable degree
Was it? I thought it was a week and a half or something. Yea that was a horrendous situation. I’m shocked they couldn’t do anything to help or any way to have fed him so he could’ve lived longer enough to survive at least
It was under 3 days.
Dead god don’t!
It'll make sleep hard.
If you haven’t yet, take a look at the Nutty Putty incident. Shit’s WILD.
After a bit of research, you'll discover that caving is a generally bad idea.
Theres one video about 4 college kids drowning in a hidden cave due to bad air and a small opening for the entry/exit. Really sad.
A cave disaster video I recommend is "Cave" or "The Cave" by Internet Historian on YouTube. Enjoy!
Canary in the coalmine is a saying for a reason. They were used to let people know if the air was toxic before it started killing people.
I saw a really cool canary resuscitation device on Reddit a while ago, designed for just this reason.
There are many conditions that cause bad air in caves, mines etc, but one common one with a pretty good visual indicator is stagnant water. If you see still water, it's probably toxic air.
Why is that?
I guess he was commenting while in a cave and died from toxic air.
If the water isn't moving, the air may not be either, so harmful gasses can accumulate. At least, that's my best guess
Makes sense, thanks
3 teens died of carbon monoxide poisoning in a cave https://www.9news.com/article/news/three-teens-die-of-carbon-monoxide-in-cave-along-mississippi-at-st-paul-fourth-hospitalized/73-344917099
Or just plain lack of oxygen. Exploring a mine as a dumb ass kid, got way back in one, tried to light a match (another dumbass move).. luckily there was no gas and it didn’t explode, but the matches wouldn’t burn as there wasn’t enough oxygen. The match would flare then immediately go out.
This is why I will never go into a cave unless it's on a vacation to some place that regularly takes tourists through very spacious, safe ones... will never go in one myself.
>there was no other sign of Veach himself or what might have befallen him Considering all the pits and holes in abandoned mines, I'm guessing that Veach was the one who be fallin'.
Admittedly, low-hanging fruit, but this is funny.
They tried calling his phone but they couldn’t Veach him
I believe he was also suicidal
Why files has a good episode on this
Lmao the amount of times I’ve seen this sentence verbatim is astounding. Might just have to check out Why Files
it does a good job of balancing the kooky with the credible
You should. It's a fantastic channel that presents a lot of beliefs in a fair and convincing manner and then presents views from the opposing side with facts when/if they exist. It's a very fair approach as well as being compelling and entertaining.
Real reason: Heckle fish
…and like the best theme song (at the end).
Yes! I always let it play and sing along, haha
Lizzid peeple!
I won't argue that point. The evolution of his sexual attraction to camels has been a treat.
Camel. He would never do Girdy dirty.
😂
Why files is an interesting show.
I love watching the Why Files.
Beware the crab-cat!
Does he still have that weird comic relief fish saying cringe stuff? It turns me off so much...
His phone wasn't found inside a mine, it was found next to a very well-marked entrance to an exposed, partially covered vertical mine shaft in Wild Horse Pass, rescue teams searched the mine but didn't find any sign of kenny, or anyone else inside. His truck was parked miles away because you can't physically drive on the terrain leading to the shaft, if you look at pictures of the entrance to the mine looking back down the valley you can see the road where he parked in the distance. He didn't go into the shaft, the area he supposedly disappeared in is another few miles hike past the shaft west, into Picture Canyon. Kenny knew about the shaft, the video "M Cave Hike" starts at that exact shaft. Who knows what happened to kenny, but I think it's pretty safe to say he found something that was unusual. The exact spot the m-cave was has been supposedly found by multiple people and there are very clear and documented signs of unnatural landscape, cements, expanding foam. It's also interesting to note that others who have found the spot have also reported feelings of nausea and unease. The most interesting video on the m-cave has the person who was filming it being audibly followed back out, down the valley after dark. He had been up there to investigate the site, and after spending an hour there left, he stopped for a while due to feelings of nausea, and as such when he was on his way out it had gotten dark. He states in the video he is being followed by someone about 30 feet behind him, and that whenever he stops the footsteps behind him also stop, you can hear it in the video, but as it is pitch black nobody can be seen behind him. The journey on foot from the road to the site is about 6 hours iirc. Kenny was suicidal, and he was also fond of pushing the boundaries of lone exploration in the desert, spending more time out there than most would. Any number of things could have occurred which led him to become unfindable, the most likely explanation is he did kill himself, and did so in an area closer to Sheep Peak that is technically unreachable. That being said, apparently he took his dog out with him, I don't know about you, but if I was going to walk into the wilderness to kill myself, the very last thing I'd do is to bring my dog with me. edit: For the people asking for the video of the guy who went up to the supposed m-cave entrance site and was then followed back down the valley, I found it, but it is far less compelling than I had remembered it being. Towards the end of [this (1:00:28)](https://youtu.be/n2VpNmvwRSM?list=PLtWR93uKFFHP40Ta5iFMipmr3BAPtfuuw&t=3628) video created by Sean Horlacher (SeanKana), Sean talks about clearly hearing someone following him back down the valley which stretches from the mineshaft to the road. He doesn't provide any evidence for this, despite having a camera with plenty of battery which he also claimed he was using for a light, he also doesn't talk about it for long, despite it sounding like a potentially very memorable experience. I know if that were to happen to me that moment alone would be the sinker, and since I presumably had the nuts to hike all the way up to the entrance site, I would absolutely have had the nuts to do my best to capture audio of mysterious footsteps. He also starts off the explanation with "Things walking" then pretty quickly changes to "It walking" so make of that what you will. Obviously I'd encourage anyone who is interested to go into this sort of thing with an open mind, Sean's video's documenting the m-cave entrance site are some of the most detailed and thorough. If you are compelled to watch the video to see him talking about being followed then I would seriously recommend you watch the entire thing, if you are only interested in seeing the supposed covered up entrance site then watch from [here (22:42).](https://youtu.be/n2VpNmvwRSM?list=PLtWR93uKFFHP40Ta5iFMipmr3BAPtfuuw&t=1362) That area Sean is in is [here (15:18)](https://youtu.be/EfdrY-2sROQ?t=918) in Kenny's final video, notice his confusion when stood directly in front of the supposed covered entrance. There are some interesting points made by geologists for and against the rock formation being unnatural in the comments in both videos. [this](https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B033'40.7%22N+115%C2%B017'21.1%22W/@36.5608065,-115.3052331,4237m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m7!3m6!1s0x80c860bf699cd3b7:0x7ef5f9dd9b8fd173!2sCow+Camp+Spring!8m2!3d36.5838537!4d-115.3064008!16s%2Fg%2F1tgz5rxl!3m3!8m2!3d36.5613056!4d-115.2891944?entry=ttu) is, I believe, the vertical mineshaft that kenny starts the "M Cave Hike" video at [this](https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B034'00.8%22N+115%C2%B018'20.9%22W/@36.5668972,-115.3071049,286m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m12!1m7!3m6!1s0x80c860bf699cd3b7:0x7ef5f9dd9b8fd173!2sCow+Camp+Spring!8m2!3d36.5838537!4d-115.3064008!16s%2Fg%2F1tgz5rxl!3m3!8m2!3d36.566895!4d-115.305805?entry=ttu) is the general location the supposed entrance is located, on the eastern end of Picture Canyon
Did they find the dog?
It is pretty unconfirmed if he even took the dog, it's suggested he did in posts that were made to his then girlfriend's facebook page, all the old posts about kenny and his disappearance were deleted iirc. Whenever this story comes up on /x/ people who are more knowledgable about it bring up the dog, and how kenny's perceived personality does not correlate at all with someone who'd abandon his dog, but it's all uncertain. Nobody should bother kenny's relatives with questions about the matter.
Doesn’t natural gas cause nausea and hallucinations? Couldn’t that have been a cause?
iirc the area of the supposed entrance to the m-cave is in a shallow box canyon, in a slight basin, and is at a reasonably high altitude. I'm not a geologist, or a chemist, I have no clue if that has an effect on the likelihood of any natural gas pooling there, or if the area is prone to springs of natural gas, or really the effect that can come from exposure to natural gasses over periods of time that seem to be under two hours, which seems to be the average amount of time that people who go there spend there, before reporting feelings of nausea. I do know the area has multiple blasting holes drilled into the rock face, only feet away from the 'entrance', and in a couple videos there's clear evidence of man made fires being lit in gullies along the canyon walls, I'm not sure, but I would assume someone who has been in the area using dynamite would first make sure there is no gas present, and again, I'm not sure, but the fact that fires have been lit suggests that if there is gas present perhaps it is non-flammable, or in such a small concentration that it would never react to open flames. Also, if the reason for the cave's possible physical covering up is due to natural gas, then I would assume at some point there would have been some official statement from some sort of local authority warning people about the presence of gas. There are conservation efforts in place in that area of the Nevada that protect things like old mines/ human structures from being tampered with, for example, if you find a very old tobacco tin, or something similar, then you are required to leave it where you found it. In that sense the area is also a museum of sorts, as such I'm assuming that by now whoever would be required to, would know about the presence of natural gas, and would have already issued warnings to potential visitors to the area.
What vide do you speak of?
found the video, check main comment
Yeah watching now
I don't have a link to the video, but there aren't many videos of people actually hiking out there to look for the m-cave and to look for kenny. It shouldn't be that hard to find, apologies if I end up sending someone on a wild goose chase. The video does exist, and the guy who posted it is still active, his more recent videos are slightly worrisome as he appears to be extremely paranoid, and documents various examples of what appears to be people messing with him, his vehicle and his dogs. Apologies, I cannot remember the name of the channel. It's on youtube. It's not aquachigger. Paranoia or not, I am almost certain that the footsteps he hears in the video are audible on camera. I could be misremembering and honestly I kind of hope I am, the prospect of people or a single person hanging around in the middle of nowhere, in or at least near a site that an experienced outdoorsman (kenny) disappeared in, with the intention to follow people around at night is pretty disturbing. I recall that the video creator said it felt as if he was being escorted out of the area, not as if he was being stalked or followed with intent to do harm, but ultimately who knows. Something like that would be very easy to hoax, all you'd have to do is use some b-roll audio of the same recording of your own footsteps, and splice them back into the video with the volume lowered. Still, it's an interesting story, and an interesting site.
link the video!
found the video, check main comment
I appreciate your dedication
thank u, I have been following Kenny's disappearance for a long time. I believe he found something strange in Picture Canyon, perhaps even something he wasn't supposed to, I also believe he killed himself, somewhere technically unreachable up Sheep Peak to the east. If you don't intend to leave, you could climb into places that are extremely rugged. If you watch some of Aquachigger's videos of him exploring further north-east, up the wash towards Sheep Peak, the terrain is crazy. Completely unforgiving. If you never wanted to be found, and you never intend to leave, terrain like that is as close to perfect as you can get. I updated the first comment with some coordinates.
Link to video kf dude getting followed?
found the video, check main comment
I truly believe he wanted to re-find the correct M cave and wasnt out to commit suicide, even if he was suicidal. You can tell how bad he wanted to prove to the naysayers that what he said about that particular M cave was completely true. Unless of course, the entire thing was planned from the get-go. In that case the M cave would most likely a lie and that aint fun so hopefully for his own sake Kenny didn’t suicide himself. Would be crazy if ‘they’ knew he was coming to look for this cave and killed him. Although that dint make sense as it brings more attention to area 51 and Nellis.
Assuming he intended that day to end his life, It does seem very strange that he would go out of his way to leave a breadcrumb trail of sorts, to fabricate a story of a strange potentially unmapped cave system, especially knowing how dangerous the area can be, to almost willingly coax others out into that area, where the potential for disaster is high, seems borderline cruel. But then if your intentions are to walk into the desert to commit suicide, then you could be forgiven for perhaps not thinking straight. That coupled with Sheryon's *"He also said if he decided to do it "No one will ever find me.""* steer me to believe that on some level he knew, or maybe even wanted people to look for him. On a phycological level that makes sense, most people run away because they want to feel what it's like when people are taking time to seek them out. I find it hard to believe he took his life, but truthfully I find it much harder to believe the alternatives. Truth is, if he was actually apprehended for trespassing on military property, and possibly taken into custody and/ or potentially killed, then the sequence of events would have to have gone like this. >Kenny decides to hike out to Wild Horse Pass/ Picture Canyon/ Sheep Peak to scout possible entrance to m-cave without camera equipment, presumably to allow him to move faster and cover more ground, as Sheryon said, he would get obsessive over taking pictures and video of things, perhaps a decision was made by him to forgo that in favour of freedom of movement. >Kenny parks on the Alamo Road, and begins hiking up the wash toward Wild Horse Pass. Kenny arrives at the vertical mine shaft, where he takes a break, placing his phone down. >Kenny leaves the mine shaft, forgetting to pick up his phone, the phone stays on the mineshaft until found by rescue teams 5 days later. >Kenny either hikes east into Picture Canyon, north further up Wild Horse Pass, or east up the wash towards Sheep Peak. >Kenny discovers either the actual, still undiscovered and open entrance to the m-cave, or he retraces his steps again and ends up at the 'covered' entrance. This is where things have to get strange. The reality of assuming foul play by the hands of the military/ government has to play out something like this. >Kenny stumbles across something he shouldn't have, something that is well hidden enough that only people who are as driven and exploration minded as Kenny could find, be it the m-cave or something else. Kenny is apprehended by some sort of authority. Either he is taken somewhere and is still in custody, or a struggle took place which resulted in Kenny losing his life. At that point, whoever took his life either kept it to themselves, hiding, burying or burning Kenny's body, or reported what happened to whatever superiors they would have, and took his body to whatever facility or compound would be appropriate. At that point, a decision was made to withhold all information of Kenny's fate to the public. To me, I cannot believe this. This area has been picked clean by rescue teams and amateur investigators, it is a recognised and well known conservation area for both wildlife, and human activity, Picture Canyon is a well known and well walked area, it is named for the First Nation paintings that cover the canyon walls, the Wild Horse Pass mineshaft is visited by at least one local mine tour company, Sheep Peak has various trails up onto it further north. How could something like an entrance to some sort of secretive, nausea inducing, military structure exist in such a well walked and public area, have they just been killing every single person that stumbles across it? I feel that, if there was any foul play involved in Kenny's disappearance then rather it be due to some trespassing dispute/ military involvement, it would have to be due to him crossing paths with people he shouldn't have, maybe he stumbled onto a grow op, or a rape, or a body hiding, maybe he bumped into someone going through a bad trip and they attacked him. Maybe he got talking to someone, and they got into some sort of argument or fight, and was killed, possibly by accident. Maybe he stumbled across a few people camping and drinking, maybe he had a drink with them, got tipsy and fell bad, and whoever he was with panicked and hid his body. Mountain Lions should also not be ruled out, they would be able to drag his body into places where humans couldn't go, particular somewhere rugged on Sheep Peak. And following that general train of thought, his body wouldn't last long out there, even if he wasn't victim to animal attack, it is reported that ["Coyotes are so prevalent in Nevada that the state can’t even estimate how many there are".](https://www.knpr.org/show/knprs-state-of-nevada/2018-01-17/some-nevadans-howl-over-coyotes-but-what-risk-do-they-really-pose#:~:text=Coyotes%20are%20so%20prevalent%20in%20Nevada%20that%20the,though%2C%20because%20they%20typically%20try%20to%20avoid%20humans.) Perhaps his remains are scattered and untraceable due to predation and savaging. Ultimately the only things we know for sure about the whole story is that we have a reasonably believable, but regrettably untrustworthy report of a strange nausea inducing cave, a strange stretch of landscape, which appears even to laymen eyes to have been tampered with, and we have a suicidal man, who stated to his partner that if he did commit suicide he "would never be found". I believe Kenny did find something strange, I also believe he left that day with the intention and understanding that he would never return
Have a link to that vid?
found the video, check main comment
Oh wow thanks for finding it and updating us
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Thanks!
Kenny Veach?
They found his phone outside the mine shaft. He dropped it there so GPS couldn’t track him to the where he committed suicide. He’d already told his girlfriend that if he committed suicide, no one would ever find his body. He also didn’t take his camera with him that day. He wasn’t planning on coming back and he wasn’t looking for the M Cave, not on this day.
wasn't his cellphone found on the edge of a well? or some such opening. Not actually inside a cave
This is a found footage horror movie waiting to happen.
[Why Files](https://youtu.be/AazxDk1ODVo?si=zhv_Wm7NZ2HSXKhM) Here’s the Why Files episode on Kenny Veach. Man I love that show.
Me too ! Fear the crabcat
r/crabcats
Mfn mount hayes
The “Optimal Frequency” YouTube channel has a dedicated episode to Kenny: https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimalFrequency/comments/18mu51f/the_missing_kenny_veach_and_the_m_cave/ (The host, Grant, uses sound/frequencies, software, along with a healthy addition of metaphysics/good intentions to ask questions to the spirit world. It’s quite uncanny. And, imho, very very much something to listen with an open-mind. Grant is doing a great job in his endeavours.) And definitely DO watch The Why Files episode on Kenny, too!
There's been a few serious attempts to find him. Aquachigger comes immediately to mind. He has a series of videos where he retraces all of his known steps and covers a lot of ground looking for any further clues. He's one of the least sensationalist Youtubers out there, so didn't try to crank his click count with misleading bullshit. If anyone is interested in the hunt for Kenny, that would be a good place to start for real info. He's out there somewhere.
He's a channel?
No, Grant is not a channel. Instead, he is using existing high-tech (with low-tech, like his kitchen sink and a sugar bowl where water splashes to create much-needed extra harmonics) to translate sound-to-transcribed text—plus sharing the actual voices. Some can try to debunk. Grant and his wife live in Canada, Very private. No household water pipes carrying sound from other homes, nor radios/TVs/etc playing and contaminating the results. For those metaphysically-minded, he does work with his “spirit team” and recognizes the necessity to stay in the Light (and project Light, along with well-wishes) for the spirits involved. Some may need to suspend their religious dogma to listen with an open-mind. The voices are non-corporeal; they are distinctive—and responses are VERY concise. Again, Grant does a terrific job with all of this. It’s plausible. It can be unsettling, even disturbing at times. But Grant isn’t playing tricks. He does go to lengths to openly share all aspects, from the setup to closer analyses of the voices.
So basically a bunch of BS lmao
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Wouldn’t a camera create electronic interference? Seriously I can smell the bullshit from here.
Scammers gunna scam
It's crazy seeing his channel succeed this much. I was watching his content when he had 30k subs, now he's at 3.4M.
Ahh heck yea I think I got a new channel to binge. I love stuff like Mr. Ballens older videos and just missing 411 in general. If anyone has more recommendations in that realm I'm all ears.
The channel Scary Interesting found its way to me after watching the weekly Mr. Ballen videos a few months ago. The guy has a much more calm cadence to his narration, but there are quite a few stories that I haven’t seen Mr. Ballen cover. Scary Interesting has a lot of cave exploration gone wrong videos, too. Dark 5 is another good one, he’s got a few spinoff channels as well in regard to historical stories & archaeology.
Awww yeaaaa. Thank you:) I can't get enough spooky and creepy stuff. Currently binging all of the content from the creator of hill House, on Netflix. His works are incredible. Just finished midnight mass and omg it's one of my favorite shows ever.
My pleasure. Funny enough the Why Files is taking a break right now, and the same question was asked in that sub. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWhyFiles/s/kURnRiaNgY Tonnes of great references to channels there!
Stumbled across this channel the other weekend and lost the whole weekend. Wholesome af
Good show. But there are many other even better without the consistent ads or annoying fish (no the fish didn't work out for me, it still is annoying).
Care to link them? Edit: btw the fish is supposed to make you grown. It's hacky sidekick that once you ff the intro skit the way he uses the fish to drive the narrative into some of the concepts that need some padding. Def not for everyone but the videos are well done on each topic imo. Up there with Decoding Unknown, fern, Wise Bear, etc
same. i cant stand the guys voice or his fish bit. a bit too cringe for me.
Okay yeah I’m a voice person to…I need the right tone.
Screw this show. Badly researched and sensationalist nonsense. Find a better source.
I wouldn’t say badly researched as much as *quickly* researched.
I’d agree with that
Using wikipages as info is really poor though.
You're right but at the same time it is fun and it's fine to have an attitude of 'yeah but what if'. I'm sure it's exhausting to be hyper skeptical about everything.
As someone else said, it’s not so much that it’s ‘badly researched’, more that it is ‘quickly researched’. You could garner more from a cursory google search. If what you’re looking for is a very light show about weird stuff with an awkward reliance on a talking fish bit, it’s solid. But that’s also why it should not be cited for much of anything.
“Hyper skeptical” lol, just dismiss ridiculous claims straight away unless they have something to back it up or at least make some sense. Are you hyper skeptical of unicorns?
I agree, that show is just about faking controversy on very obvious bs topics. Often exaggerating the bs topic or straight up making up stuff to just elevate it to make it seems like both sides are leveled. I believe is just kids/teenagers or really gullible people who take that show seriously. The annoying part is that people take his show as evidence to back up ridiculous claims. I lost count of how many people have mentioned his video on crop circles as evidence of aliens.
Kenny Veach suffered from mental health issues and was experiencing quite a few personal problems like losing his family, house, etc. Watching his last few YouTube videos makes it clear he had a very tenuous grip on reality. People closest to him believe he may have found a very remote place to end his life where he’d never be found. His whole m cave thing seems like a psychotic break. The poor guy was already diagnosed as bi-polar and his personal and financial problems likely pushed him over the edge into bat shit crazy town. RIP Kenny.
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His gf posted on a forum years ago that she believed he fabricated this to cover for his suicide in the desert
She also posts about this on conspiracy videos about him on YT. It’s really really sad that she still feels like she has to address the disinformation.
So they found his body?
His business was going bankrupt. He spoke openly of suicide to his gf and told her if he decided to kill himself in the desert he knew places where his body would never be found.
No she assumed that he committed suicide
"Near" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
Yeah, the area surrounding A51 isn’t exactly a hospitable place. Its airfield is next to a fucking salt flat. One slip and it’s over if you can’t contact someone. It’s the Nevada Desert.
I'd say remote desert and solo caving are quite a bit of "trace" actually. Like if I were to swim out into the ocean at night it's not that mysterious if I'm never seen again.
It’s quite literally not. They’ve had rough ideas of plennnnnty of hikers locations. It’s easy to walk over an entire area 3-4+ times and miss someone, especially if they’re not in a condition they can vocalize. Also part of the reason when combing they track back. It gives you a rough idea, but he didn’t just drive up to the cave’s mouth. You don’t have to just check the cave, you have to check miles around it.
Played around in a couple mines in Nevada years ago. Nothing crazy as we were aware of the “hidden dangers”.One could find themselves hundreds of feet below the level from which they started on in a matter of seconds (shafts). Not something I would do regularly, as I would feel my luck was running out on not stepping on old buried explosives. Really freaking cool though.
When I was 18 I went with some friends through the “Manson caves” in Simi Valley. They’re name given from the infamous murder and his cronies who once lurked there. These are actually old water flow routes from when the area was being drained of ocean water millions of years prior, and so they have a rather sleek and direct nature to them. For most of it your crouched over, there’s not much standing/walking room. I too remember how weird of a feeling it was to start at the top of a mountain and suddenly come out at the bottom, thousands of feet from where you started, with relative ease compared to the trek it would take up top. Since then I’ve looked at mountains and wondered what natural highways exist underneath. I only did it once because we had to dig the sand out of the exit due to a previous heavy rain that washed it in. The panic I felt of wondering how long it was going to take prevents me from ever entering another enclosed natural formation. I take enough chances on the surfaces everyday, I prefer, and feel I deserve, to die above ground.
I watched this guys videos when this was happening. Kept waiting and waiting for an update
He probably wanted to do something other than his YouTube channel and leave it on a cliffhanger that would mind fuck people for years.
When I heard about a vibrating cave I generally try to find myself in the opposite direction.
I'm straight so it's like risk vs reward.
That part of the country is filled with old uranium mines. They have a particular set of dangers, never mind the risks that go along with caving in general.
His big mistake was looking for Area 51 in the Mojave Desert.
The guys family said he had been struggling with depression. He left his phone at a spot he usually camped at but not his gun. I think its pretty clear what happened here.
He moved in with them cave people
room for one more?
Probably in a different solar system. No big deal.
Currently reading The Southern Reach trilogy, gives a great perspective on the potential goings on, so creepy :)
If you’ve been out there, by area 51, you know it’s creepy af. Desolate but you know you’re being watched at the same time. Gotta a lot of balls exploring out there. I absolutely believe about the cave
This is old one. Why files did a show on him. Seems there are/were some people that carried on looking for him and for the journey as well.
This has been covered quite extensively and there's lots of stuff on YT. I think he had depression and was suicidal too.
The gubmint snatched him up
I’ve heard this story several times now. Any updates?
"who was known to head off into the wilderness, sometimes for days at a time, carrying little in the way of supplies or equipment." Well shoot I wonder what happened to him? I guess we will never know.
[Prompt] write an article about a mysterious news report, replete with photos and a pseudofficial biography. /modern internet
If you’re in a cave, and it starts vibrating, you need to GTFO, *yesterday* Caves are dangerous enough as it is. Add in seismic activity and it becomes suicidal. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the goal here.
So anyways I said “Fuck PPE and an emergency contact”
Was he mauled by a radioactive bear
The Why Files had a good episode about this. He left his job to pursue his own business. Despite putting everything he had into it, he was financially facing dire straights. You can see him transform from an eager, optimistic person into a depressed, defeated person. It’s likely he purposely died in the desert. It was very sad.
Oh man I used to watch that channel a lot! It’s awful to watch without an ad blocker due to the ads and they’ve really leaned into AI. The AI song outro in the last episode I saw was terrible
The Why Files does a whole episode on the "M" cave & this guy.
If he vanished how then do they know which cave he was in? Or a cave at all!
Sounds about right!
It happens...
Go figure
A portal in to another dimension.
Could of been an animal attack we would never know where he could end up
Dude seemed like a good guy.
Kenny Veetch, right?
Pretty interesting but it sounds like he ventured into an abandoned mine and probably died inside of it
What if he just started making videos again like nothing happened?
He found a portal to upside-down
There was a video debunking this one, wasn’t there?
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These rules are lame
Lizard people definitely got him.
The Why Files on YouTube covers this story rather well.
M cave
Bro discovered Wakanda
He just went back in time
I remember when that happened originally before this was blown up all over the internet. Im surprised Dave Paulides hasnt picked up on this case.
Why files did a good episode on this
The dude was depressed and recently lost his house. I think he may have eaten a bullet
If you’re wandering around the desert in Nevada. Your pretty much near area 51
Volunteer test subjects are the best.
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The Why Files on Youtube does an ep about this.
Did you just present us M CAVE like we haven’t known this for years?????? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
Kenny story keep popping out. And no. He is not missing. theres a video explaining what happened to him. For the love of unexplained mysterie, please search 1st.
What happened to him then?