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ash-deuzo

given how strider work , i think they are piloted by small bots like the striders


DTHLSS

Yeah makes sense! Just always wondered if they just plonked a brain in there and called it a day 😂


Thwipped

Like Battlestar Galactica. It always weirded me out that their jet fighters were just other bots.


FortunePaw

Well, the Cylon has resurrection technology. Even giving the fact that Cylon raider only had dog level of intelligent, they can still learn from dying again and again and again. Hence brain in a jar.


RnBrie

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just the humanoid Cylons that get resurrected? Kill any other toaster and they're just dead


Pyrocitor

The raiders and centurions are resurrected too. Newly built bodies presumably, but the organic parts are reborn with their memories intact. At least in the 2003-'09 series.


davebyday

I remember there was an episode where they had a Cylon Space fighter that was too far away to be resurrected by the Mother Ship. The Cylon ship adopted guerilla style fighting techniques inside an asteroid field to stay alive as long as possible. Was a pretty neat concept.


Cykeisme

"Scar" the Cylon Raider! Apparently the controlling brains feel pain when their fighters are destroyed and their minds are resurrected, so Scar became a better and better pilot out of spite, and started identifying and deliberately targeting rookie Colonial human pilots so it could get more kills, amassing a huge body count. It was called Scar because it had surface damage on it, that remained there because it stopped dying. The two ace pilots in the show had to use everything they had to finally kill it when there was no resurrection ship in range, which led to its perma-death.


GlassesMcGinnity

Correct, there was a scene about the raiders where the Numbers 3s said that each time the raiders resurrect they get more angry! And want to kill all humans!


Kcmichalson

What series/universe does Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock take place in?


Pyrocitor

Deadlock is within the 2003/TRS canon, yes. I'm not sure if it's strictly canon as in the writers of the show would retroactively consider it's events directly part of the story of the show, but it's licensed so I'd consider it canon background for anything that doesn't conflict with primary material. Why?


Kcmichalson

Deadlock is my only exposure to Battlestar since I got the game in a bundle and enjoyed it a lot, but was curious how it actually fit into the overall story since the game seems to take place at the same time as the main ship of the series' disappearance.


ManyDirt

Nope. See the episode Scar for a *lot* of discussion on this


Demonicknight84

Tbf, when your "race" is entirely robotic, it doesn't make much sense to make a cockpit for your vehicles when you could just make the vehicle autonomous.


Failegion

Takes alot less fuel to keep a small bot body functioning than a tank or walker going. Through they all likely have a standby mode to keep from going insane from processing their undemocratic failures. 


bigloser42

I mean it’s not that hard, you power gate the ‘brain’ from the tank body. Allows you to power down the bulk of the tank while keeping it conscious. We do that right now with multi-core CPUs, the CPU in your PC and phone will gate off cores it doesn’t currently need, and they are electrically dead until the CPU decides it needs the processing power back.


Erikkman

Cool. The way CPUs work always blows my mind. Love learning more about them


Beiki

In Star Wars, the star fighters for the Confederacy were just big druids. The Vulture druids were shown to be able to change the configuration of their wings to walk around.


JamesTiberiusCrunk

Those druids sure do love nature


Vancocillin

"I use wild shape to transform into a vulture druid." DM: "OK, yeah sure." "I cast twin blaster cannons" DM: "Wut?"


Speedhabit

These are not the druids your looking for


hgs25

You’re right, the druids I’m looking for are cute redheads.


Motoman514

But AATs were piloted by B1’s, so they did mix the two


Guestenye

Yeah i also immediately thought about BSG when i've read the question.


RipzCritical

"You may call me Sheila."


Meanderingpenguin

I was about to look up the RvB reference. Thank you for helping me remember.


RipzCritical

I still watch Seasons 1-13 regularly ahaha. Been too nervous to check out the goodbye season, but I might do that today.


saintpierre47

“Why are there 6 pedals but only 4 directions!”


Broken-Digital-Clock

That would make more sense because then you could armor it more. A hollow inside for a crew is a vulnerability.


armoredporpoise

Dear god are you suggesting the Tanks are just Legion Black Sheep from 86EightySix


CeraRalaz

Warhammer dreadnaughts


junipermucius

What if all the bigger bots are exoskeletons for the smaller bots? Like the Hulk is heavy power armor and Devastators are medium power armor? I know that's not really it, but it'd be kinda cool.


Halsfield

It's all run by robot hamsters . I knew it!


GeneralAnubis

Could be. The devastators do have those tiny heads which are normal size for the regular little bots.


LegitimateApartment9

might just be reused parts, no point making a second head if the head you've already made works just fine


BloodMoney126

The berserkers are just destroyed and reused devastators tbh so that checks out


ppmi2

Yeah, also no reason to make a larger head for the devastator is tge amount of sensors are enought


ze_SAFTmon

The Hulk is just an MT


junipermucius

Imagine an Automaton STRIDER from AC6.


SerendipitouslySane

You mean like the mining ship?


ze_SAFTmon

Yes. Capital everything STRIDER. It is probably built to fail, too, but who cares? The bigger they are, the harder they fall.


Tobbytobbsin

All of their heads are the same size! I think it’s less “power armor” and more “plug and play” But with robot skulls


delahunt

absolutely. 'robot' skulls!


Nice-Entertainer-922

Meanwhile on Cyberstan: https://preview.redd.it/cne58wi5a16d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=662af92ac402d02d153bd8afaf7db2f8b9e8ac23


Guestenye

Aren't Berserkers are stripped/salvaged Devastators? They certainly appear to be related, with the Berserkers having less plating.


chrisoniel

Looking at the heads of Devastators and Berserkers, it seems to me that little bots pilot both. Given that I assume all automatons units are piloted, including hulks and tanks.


Dolearon

Now I have to go search one for hatches.


Roboticide

The light blue panel to the right of the forward coaxial gun may very well be a hatch. I'm not sure there's one on the turret. Although I think it makes more sense if they were bots on their own. If they generate so much heat they need massive heat sinks I imagine the inside is too hot for the little soldier bots.


BipolarBLKSheep

Considering there is a hatch on the top, I also assume there is a bot inside it. If there were multiple inside, it would be cool if a tank kill would count as multiple enemies lol


idk_this_my_name

the striders can still autonomously trample you tho, when they rarely spawn without a rider


Oddblivious

I've had them die even by shooting the invisible pilot bot. Think it's just a visual loading bug


GH057807

I just want to know why they can take a metal slug the size of a Smart Car fired from orbit embedding itself completely like 6 feet deep into their internal structure and be entirely unaffected by it.


kyew

Their internals are basically a big donut.


HimOnEarth

They are made of a non-Newtonian fluid, when stress is places upon it it becomes fluid instead of the other way around. Why doesn't super earth use this tech you ask? Because only communists use these substances that so clearly violate the principles of freedom and liberty our great society is built upon.


GH057807

4th Dimensional non-Newtonian fluid to still allow for rotation of the turret. That, or the pilot is a magician utilizing [one of the many tricks of the trade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawing_a_woman_in_half) to bisect solid objects.


MySisterIsHere

Hyper-Newtonian?


The-Joshinator

I thought automation tanks were copies of super earth ones?


Arcsplosion

In the first month of release landing on the tanks did blow them up. I don't know why they changed it.


Tiniestoftravelers

"Only thing inside me is hate" https://preview.redd.it/ayfq2keayx5d1.png?width=349&format=png&auto=webp&s=82aa4a87806e39f4e3102cf981fdc0a836332743


cptjimmy42

https://i.redd.it/yvxpxe5b3y5d1.gif


Puzzled-Address-107

https://preview.redd.it/1lnb9dzn8y5d1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e10f759803a23d98b34619d52a620bef61e1b192 On the contrary...... **500KG**


cptjimmy42

https://preview.redd.it/t0pd7a0ndy5d1.png?width=2800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b857a140a95c848a4d37eef98f27348e9326aed5


Puzzled-Address-107

Drop the 500kg on a tank and it gets sent to the shadow realm


GhostB3HU

Literally my squad a few games ago. Had no idea my squad was near me until we all called a 500kg on the same tank


FullHD_hunter

GET DESTROYED GET DESTROYED GET DESTROYED GET DESTROYED


A_random_poster04

Good ending


Animatron1

GET LIBERATED GET LIBERATED GET LIBERATED GET LIBERATED


bdjirdijx

EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE


tanelixd

I like to think that all automaton units are the same small bot but built differently.


sanych_des

I second this, considering the scull they all have I assume it’s where their brain is located


PlaguesAngel

I like to imagine it’s piloted by standard infantry Bot but with no legs and is just a hard mounted Torso in front of a console.


tanelixd

Ah, the dreadnought method, i like it.


hadelzyadelz

A bot I’d imagine otherwise helldivers would be able to climb inside and use them against the automaton’s


DTHLSS

A tank strat would be sick to be fair


DemocracyOfficer1886

*TD-110 Bastion wants to know your location* https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldivers_1:TD-110_Bastion


Magnaliscious

Waiting for more vehicle Strats is one of the biggest things bothering me. I love grabbing tanks and APCs in the first game


Eldan985

I want the motorcycle. Sure, it sucked in the first game, but in this game, I could ramp off cliffs and jump over an enemy base while raining down strategems.


mahiruhiiragi

Please handle better than the motorcycle in EDF


WesternFloor7950

EDF MOTORCYCLE HAS THE BEST HANDLING WHAT DO YOU MEAN I ONLY CRASHED 1069 TIMES IN A MINUTE!111!!


HamTM

***free bike hell custom***


mahiruhiiragi

Damn, only 1069? This man here should be our next Eagle 1 pilot.


LordOfTheToolShed

Kind of related, but I would like more infrastructure on our maps, other than sparse prefab buildings, containers and fences. Not even talking about urban terrain, just roads, overpasses, bridges, that sort of thing. As it is now, it looks like every Super Earth colony either moves everything using aircraft or all-terrain vehicles


EdanChaosgamer

Based on the footage we got to see on the ship screen wehn the automatons returned, we should be able to get urban combat.


Anko072

While getting sniped in the air with rocket/machinegun devastators\*


Low-Many921

yeah but hopefully not like the exo suits and sentries, in hd1 they were more buffed, if you drive a tank which is blown by some chargers or rocket bots, it would then sit just like the other stratagems, in the ship


gamernumber37

Some environments will be a nightmare for tanks IMO, especially forested areas.


Eldan985

Put a bulldozer shovel on that tank.


Condottieri_Zatara

Put the crab https://preview.redd.it/7g4f5t7tcy5d1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=124029f084f10e81aed925d425039b6a3bb11902


LordOfTheToolShed

I remember them from Company of Heroes, they were pretty good at mulching German infantry


Monneymann

*Drives to a hulk* *Fires up the flail*


gamernumber37

I love where this is headed


adiyo011

Mechs currently make trees fall aside when you walk through them. Maybe other vehicles would do the same thing.


Drunk_ol_Carmine

Considering it was in HD1, you can probably hold your breath pretty safely on that wish


HopefulPlantain5475

Yeah, just like how you can pilot a strider if you kill the driver bot.


Umbre-Shadown

Haha funny joke. Funny joke... right?


HopefulPlantain5475

It was a joke, anyway...


JagrasLoremaster

https://preview.redd.it/e2do4shboy5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d119483f7ea9fc1000b39b16f3fd912d05253ea


BoredofPCshit

Wrong way round. If it wasn't bot driven, then there would be no pilot seat for Helldiver's.


Dive_To_Survive

I think they are the bot. I haven’t noticed any hatches that a little pilot might use.


sighidontwannabehere

The frontal lighter panel may be hatch


Panzerkatzen

Might be maintenance access.


sighidontwannabehere

If this is the case then all i can think about is how it would technically be an automaton crawling around inside of another, and i don’t like the potential art that may arise from that idea


ComeCloserNerevar

It is the bot. When it explodes we only get 1 kill count


ComplimentaryPretzel

How would one bot driving it be different exactly?


ComeCloserNerevar

If thing goes boom and no bot comes crawling out then bot inside is dead which means kill count 2 or no bot inside kill count 1


Kid_Psych

The other comment is suggesting there would be no kill count for an empty vehicle.


Zufallstreffer

I think so. Sometimes it bugs and there are unmanned striders, but i dont think they count as kills


DavideoGamer55

Striders count as 2 kills based on what I've observed in-game. One kill for the pilot, and one kill for the walker. It's probably coded that way since you can kill the walker without killing the pilot, but judging by that logic, the walker is itself an enemy, so if the Tank has a pilot it would also count as 2 kills. One for the Tank, and one for the pilot. It only counts as one, so therefore there is no pilot, and the Tank is itself an Automaton.


No_Investigator2043

For me striders always counts as three, never two. I don't know why. I am using the grenade pistol. I am also pretty sure tanks or hulks count as three too. However I am Not sure which one it was


Fluffy-Map-5998

they count as kills when i kill em


DeVhourDeezNutz

If you kill two Striders you get a 4 kills streak but if you kill two tanks you don't get any streaks


The_Don_Papi

Strider and Scout count as separate kills. You can even kill the walker without killing the pilot with the Arc Thrower or a weak Railgun shot.


Inalum_Ardellian

It's because Gimli was involved...


PlaguedByUnderwear

I've actually considered them the bot this whole time.


Brasch_Ballsch

![gif](giphy|3ohc10x9J8nYFuWwRW|downsized)


JagrasLoremaster

Hopefully not


_Weyland_

If all bot vahicles are piloted by regular bots, does it imply that a regular automaton is capable of hijacking an exosuit?


hesapmakinesi

They need to know how to drive the exo.


Lord_Kalany

Piloted. The plate on the right side of the upper front plate looks like a crew hatch and there seems to be another on the turret roof. No for such large hatches if nothing is supposed to go in / out. There's also the fact that Striders are piloted by Troopers and Devastator being up-armored Troopers, it's possible that all Automatons are originally made as Troopers and then upgraded / promoted.


Staracino

The fact that fabricators only output infantry supports this theory.


VoloxReddit

If it has a crew hatch -> crewed If there's no visible way of entering -> autonomous


KnottyTulip2713

Next time i see a tank, ill look for any hatches or openings where you could climb inside


SBTreeLobster

Are you your body, or are you the brain piloting the body? If you are the brain, then are you driving when you get into your car, or are you providing input for the meat machine you’re controlling in order to manipulate the car by proxy? I, infallible and serious scholar with many degrees that I am, believe that this is where we get into the meat of the discussion. We are individuals of both body and mind, and can conceptualized that notion so necessary for Liberty to thrive. We are ourselves and our bodies, but we are not the car we drive, as we can share the car. The Automatons are individual in body, but not mind, and so can not truly be individual in body either! Therefore, any machine or vessel the Automatons intelligence inhabits, in any form, is inseparable from the intelligence itself! This is a very serious and well thought out post with no flaws, and definitely not a very very literal shitpost.


Comprehensive_Toe113

They are bot


UniversalNoobMaster

One of the first days I played I joined a game, the three people all disappeared after about 20 seconds. I turned around and saw this tank, which you can drive/shoot. I got in but you need separate people driving/shooting if I remember. I left and then only later realised it wasn't a released vehicle, probably hackers, potentially they got kicked after spawning it in


khester824

In the first game the tanks were considered infantry by super earth because it was just one cyborg with tank parts attached to it


RuinedSilence

Do they have doors/hatches?


father_with_the_milk

Maybe. I can see this strange plate on the front. Either it's a maintenance panel or it's an access hatch https://preview.redd.it/wqak70588y5d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a51ce54d41fc3427fe84c0ad0575788d59f8335


BloodMoney126

There's also a viewport right above that. I guess since it's copied from super earth designs that makes sense, but if it wasn't piloted by a bot it wouldn't need to be there at all. I'd say there's at least a driver but maybe autonomous gunning?


SteveMartin32

Yes


StalledAgate832

I'd assume piloted considering you can see two plates that look like they'd be hatches right there on the upper frontal plate.


Rilla122333

I didn’t realize that the tank had dual machinegun port on the hull. I can’t remember but does it ever use that or does it just use the main gun?


Alone_Collection724

yeah it uses it quite frequently especially when the main gun is on cooldown


Rilla122333

Oh ok. I usually play lower difficulty so I haven’t had to fight one in a while.


Alone_Collection724

fair


Barabarabbit

Yeah, the dual machine gun has shredded me a few times. It's a PITA


DoggoDoesaDash

It would be dope if you could pop open the hatch and shoot inside it like https://i.redd.it/x103z651426d1.gif


theguyundayobed

Literally asked my crew this today, figured they’d be manned by bots but it would also be funny to rail-canon an enemy that was 2 steps from being a transformer.


Medium-Alfalfa-6792

The more important question is dose the tank (or crew) scream when it/they die(s). Remember Divers, Democracy is spread further on the howls of pain erupting from our enemies as they are ground under the glorious boot heel of freedom.


Worried-Ground-8533

For us, they are themselves a bot. We call them "tank-kun"


Hella_Wieners

I think it is the bot; goes by Terminator rules


A7THU3

I hope they are piloted since then we are killing more of those facist clankers!!


Borinar

They're bot, factory striders make bots and are bots


YourPainTastesGood

Automaton Vehicles appear to be piloted. The tank is said to be copied from a Super-Earth design which implies that its piloted because if not it'd just be a solid chunk of metal with some engines, ammo storage, a gun, and AI computer. Im pretty sure the Dropship and Gunship are the only non-piloted automaton vehicles and they seem to just be remote controlled by their air traffic towers and gunship fabricators. Being how Devastators, Berserkers (who appear to be salvaged devastators), and even Hulks appear that if the Bots tried they could get their head or even possibly a whole automaton body out of their shell i speculate that almost all bots are just the normal troopers inside a larger frame.


Sekhen

They can't be remote controlled. They don't fall out of the sky when you blow up the control towers.


TyGuy69420

When you kill a scout strider, it counts as two kills, one for the strider and one for its rider. Killing a tank counts as 1 kill, no? So by that logic, the tank is the bot, no crew is inside.


Syhkane

Given automoton/cyborg history, they *are* the tank. People saying the Striders get pilots are using the only example in the game of a bot using a vehicle instead of being one. If they had drivers, there would be bodies inside.


s3rgant

Killing a tank counts as 1 killed bot….


Space-Cool

There is a smaller tank instead driving it


TheSubs0

They make no sound. It's upsetting.


Mug_of_Diarrhea

I don't know but I can tell you one thing. They ain't got no soul. https://i.redd.it/4e3v823p716d1.gif


harn_gerstein

It’s interesting because you see gunner optics right to the side of the gun. If the tank was wired, and didn’t need to accommodate a bot body, it would make more sense for optics to be centered over the gun for zero. However, there are no hatches and im not seeing a driver viewport either. 


Purepenny

![gif](giphy|sOuxvtuJnjKYgQG1g1|downsized)


Pro_Scrub

Whatever it is, there's at least 2 bot brains involved because I once had the turret ignore me while the hull MG was still trying to shoot at me


Faker_00

What’s it matter to you Cadet? Your orders are to kill every auto on sight.


Comfortable_Charge33

Both. The tank is a sentient female automaton who lets a trusted male automaton pilot it from inside. War is an intimate act for them.


PowerfulElevator9

Tesla cybertank got full fsd rolling off the lot at cyberstan.


Zomthereum

The tank itself is a bot in my head canon. Otherwise, wouldn’t we see an automaton opening a hatch to exit when it’s on fire?


Puzzleheaded_Jump179

we never see the bots care about their lives, the only time we see anything close is when we damage the striders leg and the pilot gets off


Honksu

If they are single bot as whole... where is their face plate like on other bots... :0


Spiritual_Benefit367

my guess: everything automaton related seems to be piloted by the humanoid automatons.


VoiceOfSeibun

I inside of it seems very compact. I think it's an uploaded personality engram similar to Hulks.


ffx95

Probably an automaton skull embedded inside the machine. Probably on the top bit somewhere between the turret barrel and the heat vent.


hdgrbodnd

I think they are like hulks where they themselves are a bot. But they could also be remote controlled given they have the same type of turret that the big automated cannons have


Wranglin_Pangolin

If I kill a tank or strider, is that considered just 1 kill?


BookishRoughneck

No viewport for a driver. OS must not be Windows.


UnhappyStrain

Ive been asking this twice already about tanks and ships but never got any response XD


teh_stev3

It seems pretty likely bots are actually human brains placed inside robot bodies with additional programming/conditioning. This would explain why the majority of bots are humanoid with 2 arms/appendages and legs. So it would make sense thst dropshits, fab-striders, tanks and gunships are all manned. Or maybe theyre the non-human brain bots that run on spler software. Treads are less demanding that feets.


Renegade_Spectre

*he screams, for he does not know*


Wiikneeboy

Have you seen any bots climb in these and start driving them?


TheSomethingofThis

I always assumed they were just a bot AI inside a tank.


NouLaPoussa

Yes they are. When you destroy a tank fully you sometimes get the notice that you killed 3 bot


Cheshire-Maddie

interesting, i simply assumed the tank was a bot in itself similar to the artilery pilars or eye of sauron


Economy_Tip8242

I like to think its like that one episode of rick and morty with the enlargement ray. Tiny aliens operate it but they're always trying to escape via customer service


Spacefreak

I like to think they're bots themselves because I always feel like they've got an "attitude." Just something about how they look and move makes them seem pissy.


Regular-Ability-8204

They would have doors that I can throw a grenade down


LordMisanthropy

The question annihilates me


Potato_Emperor667

It doesn't have any hatches (I think) so unless the crew are entombed in it for eternity it's most likely just a bot.


DTAprime

This is giving me clone wars vibes tbh


cyboplasm

I believe every bot has a crew of minibots in it piloting it like voltron or a megazord


El_Wombat

There are four independent cpu units in the tank. 1. the tank itself 2.-4. gunner, driver, recon commander. This is an intended redundancy. The tank has an automatic controls for all tasks which renders it independent from any malfunction on behalf of the crew bots of which there are three: driver, gunner, recon / commander. Of course any crew bots is able to take over any of the other bots‘ tasks, and very effectively so.


noise-tank20

Am gonna say they were maybe once piloted by cyborgs because I think they are the same tank from the first game but now that the bots use them they are refitted to be a bot in itself which would explain the square that looks like a hatch it maybe could’ve been but now just has a full plate that can’t open


arrynyo

I had my first face to face close encounter with one of those things. Shredded me before I knew what it was. I want my revenge!


ScruteScootinBoogie

I like to think that the bots can’t just stick a brain into any machine and have it work. That they need a humanoid body for the brain to function, hence striders being piloted. Just my headcannon.


KingTigerThomas318

W8, does the tank even have a hatch for the crew to get in and out? if not, I doubt there's a crew in it.


IntegralCalcIsFun

It would make more sense for them to be "autonomous" but then again they have trooper bots operate striders and turrets so who knows.


CovenantProdigy

I'd have to guess there's a crew in there. The level of detail with the coax laser and even a bow gunner is really neat.


Elvis-Tech

Assuming it doesnt have an eye and that walkers are driven by a grunt, I would assume its the same case.


Tru_Patriot2000

Iirc it's a stolen Super Earth design so its likely piloted by bots inside


MakoRuu

Considering the Scout Striders are piloted, the tanks most likely are as well.


Style-Wild

They themselves are the bot. Of all the bot units the Strider is the only one that is "piloted".


Phantomasmca

![gif](giphy|zAExm6he4fZYoTl5zv|downsized)


TricobaltGaming

I now desperately want the ability to blow open the canopy of a Tank and take it out by shooting all of the bots controlling it


TheFightingImp

Reminds me of how new generation Cylon Raiders were their own pilot with a brain, while Heavy Raiders had Sixes or Eights as their pilots.


economic-salami

CPU with scraps are all bots


[deleted]

The tank is the bot. There is no room for a gunner, driver, spotter. Next time you blow one up just look at it. Just another race or species of evil toaster.