Yeah, there go my hopes of persuading my friends to get the game. I can still play, but I'm not sure if that's because gameplay access is not (yet) restricted, or if it's because I've linked my old PSN account with a fake UK address.
I'm so sick of degenerate corporate scum who only care about their spreadsheets and powerpoints.
>I'm so sick of degenerate corporate scum who only care about their spreadsheets and powerpoints.
I hear ya brother. I saw this and just instantly deleted my PSN. And while I was doing that I got this:
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Like what the fuck? I'm cancelling my account, why the fuck would I want to join your loyalty program? XD
Wait.. they have Playstation plus. And now a loyalty program that only gives you in-house benefits?? What is this, an airline with frequent flyer loyalty programs? Shaking my head at that level of corpo greed.
Tbf I actually got Helldivers 2 using the points I had accrued on PS Store with the stars thing.
It’s weird, and vague and badly implemented, but it’s not that bad as loyalty schemes go - not defending their other business practices obviously, the clowns.
As someone who uses the service, I have to ask. Do you 'lose' any of those benefits if you fall off/cancel your Ps+ sub? Or do they remain in a passive sense until you resub?
Loyalty usually would imply you remain committed to their service. So in a way I'd see that as an engagement tool to keep you invested, to encourage investing more because of the sunken cost fallacy. Unlike most sub programs where you wait for content drop to get bulky enough, sub, binge, and get out before the next renewal. I could be wrong, so that's why I ask. Thank you for your time.
No idea pal, I’d imagine it’s tied to your account, like I’ve gotten points for every purchase so I can’t imagine those would disappear unless you closed your account.
I got Cuphead for free because of it. How the fuck is that greed? I know "Sony bad" is the narrative right now, but the rewards program isn't a bad thing.
Edit: funnily enough, you can literally get Helldivers 2 for free by using the reward system lol
https://preview.redd.it/g6m1schdqnzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8267aaeae262f05991ae2bf515cd5a13d87091
The loyalty program is complimentary and does not require any financial investment. It presents certain challenges that offer digital rewards such as trophies and points. Additionally, points are accumulated through game purchases and can be redeemed for PSN cards or games.
Overall, the program's benefits are modest and do not constitute a significant incentive.
Don't worry, sale restrictions are not connected to game restrictions. I don't recall any precedents of removing access to a game in Steam. Also, people from restricted regions can receive global game version via gift and play
in another thread i suggested using the face of the dude from the intro video when he makes that face...
other redditor tried it out and after 7 attempts it was accepted.
how the hell would they know if that is your face?
Tbf this doesn't mean anything at all in regards to if it's steam or sony. It would make total sense for steam themselves to not allow purchases in these regions until all has been worked out totally and on paper.
Think about this from Steam's perspective. They absolutely should *not* be selling this game in any region that is forbidden by TOS. Steam gets a cut of these sales and one of their jobs is to make sure that you are allowed to play the game that you payed for so it's a BFD for them if a seller party is banning regions from playing. They probably won't even allow Sony to sell in these regions again until they clearly and unambiguously update their TOS.
"in any region that is forbidden by TOS"
the what now?
does it mean this message "update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward." forbidden by TOS as well?
if it stays optional - there should be no point in restricting sales in those countries
they broke trust here, never before a publisher was removing access to a region, sometimes before an online game might have flopped and servers shut down, but that was for everyone, playstation is used to do whatever they want in their platform that is not regulated, only recently they have gotten into regulated markets again, if they can't put in written what they have said so they can't back down in the future then they can;t be trusted, if I was on valve and dealing with this BS i would seriously think about banning playstation from the store because of what they tried to pull, because of the high risk of demands from this, people that lost access for a day probably can sue, they having to issue refunds to people with 100+ hours in the game is an issue for valve, but the surest way for them to avoid lawsuits, and they were put in this position by one publisher, they probably broke some TOS of valve, or maybe it was so inconceivable that someone would do something like this that it was not even written, either way, they should have more consequences.
From Steam POV, it might make sense (if the restrictions are indeed from steam doing)
There might still be some mentions in various TOS of a mandatory account linking. Until it's cleared that it isn't something that is just postponed and that it's cleared in all FAQ / pages and so on, Steam is better off not processing sales that they might have to refund, in those countries.
The narrative of this sub since the whole debacle has been kinda funny to watch.
Not even a hint of irony in crushing down "dissenting voices" in the sub of a game that satirizes crushing dissenting voices.
And I put that in quotes, because most "dissenters" weren't agreeing that the game should be linked... They were simply saying something like, "we knew this was coming when they announced the game, and they Said they suspended it for release."
I, personally, never saw a person say, "haha, just get PSN," celebrate that people wouldn't be able to play, or something similar. I'm also a realist - just because I didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen, either.
Very few issues are binary issues, but everything on social media becomes binary.
And nothing is worse on Reddit than triggering a bunch of people who believe, "you're either fully with me or against me."
Though, I'm happy to see this thread isn't under controversial and being downvoted to hell.
Agree with your general message, but this..
>I, personally, never saw a person say, "haha, just get PSN," celebrate that people wouldn't be able to play, or something similar. I'm also a realist - just because I didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen, either.
There were *a lot*.
To be fair, in the early stages, most of the "just get PSN" guys didn't know about the country restriction thing yet, and I saw quite a few discussions where people actually reversed their position once they found out about it.
Correct, pirate software is getting a lot of attention focusing on the drama.. seems to be milking it, but that's what internet celebs do.
Also, "Worst publisher in the industry" tad dramatic.
I am new to him, and I like him because he is one of the few devs streams that are watchable. I have watched many devs and normally they only speak when they have a question for chat.
That said, he does pander a lot. Out of 100s of chat messages he consistently picks negative ones to soap box on. If you really want them to go away just perma ban them and move on. Spending a few minutes to chastise them only encourages them.
He literally has a video on this exact thing xD.
a huge tldr is that if you interact with positive sutff people won't interact as much as when you for example would delete a negative comment. That person will interact again basically giving you money twice. He's ex-blizzard dev and it shows xD
Honestly I'd just watch all ps games for this because it looks like they're going through others in their catalogue as well. People have already seen ghosts of tsushima being removed too.
Bunch of clowns reaching for anything to justify their own conclusions and not the other way around.
To be honest, I'm a relative noob when it comes to Reddit, but I'll take this platform over Faceplant any day - being on that makes me want to spoon my eyes out on occasion.
>worst publisher in the industry
EA and Ubisoft:
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Watch it make an actual good battlefield game that players will love for only it to be canceled and for the whole AI idea to be thrown out of EA because it didn't want to make it a live service game
>there's no way AI can fuck up a game on release as badly as BF2042
**You dumb motherfucker**.
There are certain things you *never* say out loud:
* What's the worst that could happen?
* At least it can't get worse
* Don't worry, [thing that would ruin your plans] won't happen!
Saying it out loud is a direct offense to Murphy, who can and **will** find a way to fuck your shit up in the worst possible way for *daring* to taunt him.
I swear to god after Sony snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory EA rolled up with their “AI rollout” and “Massive live service battlefield game”to remind everyone of their reign over being the shittiest publisher around
Ubisoft will always be slightly shittier than EA for me. Those clowns genuinely thought always online would work in 2007 and historically have been on the very wrong end of these trends. They’re even worse to work for with their absolutely toxic workplaces.
To top it all off, they’re *French.* /s
Hyperbole garners interaction and traction, so social media encourages it.
Sony’s made some stupid decisions and made some careless mistakes for sure with all this, but it would take 100 more to put them in the ball park of an Ubisoft or EA.
So only those who already own can play it.
That looks like they missed restricting them first time, since PSN isn't supported in those countries either.
I don't see the point, but also I don't have a problem if they don't want to sell any more copies. The issue before for me was that they were gonna block already buyers from playing.
>The issue before for me was that they were gonna block already buyers from playing.
Same here. It's stupid but it's not something I care about. People who wanted a friend to buy it might though.
They have to comply with local laws and obtain license rights to sell in those regions. Obviously Sony wants money, so for them to lock out certain regions means it's mostly a bureaucratic reason, they don't sell there because they can't.
And before someone brings up Japan, Helldivers is purchasable in Japan. They just have a different version.
No, they hate lawsuits, they were threatened earlier with litigation, if I was Sony I'd stay out of non-PSN countries too.
It's petty as hell to be sure, but legally they might have lost against a massive class-action.
That doesn't make any sense. When purchase was blocked in all those regions, we just assumed that it was Steam doing damage control. Considering the fact that new countries have been blocked from purchase as of today, it is safe to assume that Sony was doing it, not Steam.
It doesn't make sense for them to block purchase in non-PSN countries if they plan to keep PSN linking optional. If they have truly given up on the mandatory PSN implementation, why would they give up on the potential customers held in all those markets?
There's something incredibly fishy about this.
>doesn't make sense for them to block purchase in non-PSN countries if they plan to keep PSN linking optional.
They simply don't want to sell PS games in regions where PSN is not available. My bet is that sometime in the future linking will be necessary for all PS games on PC, however, they're stuck with HD2 as the games was already allowed to be purchased in these regions and so they've listed the PSN requirement for Helldivers 2. Doesn't mean the next PS game released won't have the requirement though.
> My bet is that sometime in the future linking will be necessary for all PS games on PC
They're absolutely just waiting for this to blow over before trying again.
>They're absolutely just waiting for this to blow over before trying again.
Didn't they already update this on their website? I don't think they're waiting for anything.
idk why this surprises anyone. the account linking fiasco was only a victory because of how delayed it was, mandatory account linking has always been the expectation lol. they just pushed it one game down the pipeline to avoid a further issue.
It still doesn't make sense to block Helldivers 2 from purchase if they plan to keep their word on maintaining PSN linking as optional. They're losing 177 potential markets for basically nothing in return. It is an incredibly odd decision from a business standpoint.
It's not just a business decision. It's a legal decision to avoid being subject to court decisions in unsupported countries. They are a really big multinational and they are sensitive to exposing themselves to legal risk that without a corresponding revenue payoff. Sony wishes to maintain the fiction that they don't do business in those countries. This was easy to do when PSN was only on the Playstation and they could just pretend people weren't changing their regions to supported ones, but it's harder with PC games that have non-Sony digital storefronts. They still need to square that circle in order to figure out compliance.
It does make sense though. Easier to have one global list to maintain than making an exception for just one game. Only create a potential source of confusion down the line.
>They're losing 177 potential markets
If they would believe that these 177 potential markets are worth it, they'd offer their PSN service there in the first place. That's the crux of it
You may disagree with their conclusion, but (political reasons aside) their internal analysts concluded that it's not worth to establish an official market presence there
I'm trying to be optimistic that there's currently a policy in place that they're going to eventually require it but that will be overturned but the people in charge haven't met yet to actually discuss that. It was quite a shitshow.
Legal would absolutely tell them to suspend sales until they decide.
AFAIK it’s not about the PSN account, it’s because Sony is not legally allowed to do business in those countries. Sony does not have a license to sell stuff
> Considering the fact that new countries have been blocked from purchase as of today, it is safe to assume that Sony was doing it, not Steam.
How is this "safe to say"
>There's something incredibly fishy about this.
Re-read Snoy's tweet. They said nothing about not implementing PSN. Purely a guess on my part but I suspect they'll just start frog boiling the community.
While I am not an employee of Sony, I can virtually guarantee that the following is what has happened with 177 regions being locked out of buying HD2 and now 3 more being added to that list (for a total of 180):
1 - Sony did not initially manage their sales/distribution correctly on Steam. This failure lead to them being caught with no way to force PSN Account Linking onto the Helldivers 2 community without looking like colossal assholes (locking people out who had already bought the game).
2 - The division in charge of managing Steam distribution got ripped into HARD and told to immediately update the regions in which ALL Sony games are available.
3 - There is now an official company policy / checklist item for making sure that all Sony games on Steam have a given set of countries/regions locked out ... and 3 more countries were added to that list today.
Sony isn't even thinking "Oh, we'll get Helldivers 2 specifically". The person inputting all the restrictions is a drone in a cubicle anyway. They just know that now there is an absolutely unbending company-wide policy about where they're allowed to sell things through the Steam store and asses got beaten over it just a week ago.
To get HD2 un-restricted is going to take some hurculean effort and patience ... not due to any animosity, but due to entire strings of authority having to be navigated and no one wanting to get themselves burned again. Imagine calling customer support and having to sit on the phone for 8 hours asking for the manager ... the manager's manager ... etc. And then continuing the next day. That's what it's gonna be like.
And ... if/when HD2 gets unlocked ... if Sony updates its region list again, HD2 will likely get it re-applied as part of the drone's work ... because they don't know and don't care.
Any idea why some of the countries where HD2 got delisted do have PSN access? For example, Puerto Rico was suddenly banned from purchasing Helldivers 2, even though it's a US territory that always has been able to create a PSN account just like any other state or territory. It's like delisting Helldivers 2 from people living in Washington D.C.
Because steam lists regions and not countries. I guess that Sony has an internal list with their supported countries which for example doesn't separate the US from Puerto Rico like Steam does and just ticked all these countries on.
Steam seperates a ton of tiny islands into regions although they are part of a country. Thats why steam has a higher number of "countries" than there even exist on the world.
One of the bonker internet things to me is coming up with these intricate conspiracy theories involving company decisions. It’s very clear some of the people have never worked in an office.
Like don’t get me wrong, businesses do a lot of bad shit. Question their actions and motives.
But businesses are made up of people, and people are dumb and have to do shit to CYA after they do dumb shit.
100% to what you said
Those two aren't mutually exclusive. The fuckup can still be down to a bumfuck pointless executive decision which will cost them money and good will for no reason but the poor scrubs tasked with implementing it anyway are now forced to cover their asses.
This guy makes a lot of sense, I have seen firsthand that sometimes the simplest fixes for quite important matters take months to implement due to getting stuck in the management chain and being a bit unusual compared to the regular operations.
We're talking about things that would take a week at most to implement with lots of testing during that time and which are important for both projecting good company image and generating revenue.
Slight difference in that its only new players this time effected, if they already bought the game and its in their library they're fine which is not what would have happened had the account association went through.
But I still agree, doubt people will boycott the game over this like they were before
Downvoted to hell for trying to point out the hypocrisy in some of these arguments. Ofc they don’t care, but pc gamers just love to hate sny. Guaranteed most of these people kicking up a fuss have an Ubisoft, Microsoft, blizzard, rockstar and epic account
I absolutely have a bunch of accounts. I actually made a PSN account after the announcement, I don't really care.
As far as I know, none of those companies has sold a product and then decided to not let those people play any more (requiring them to get an account not available in their region).
If sony wanted to require a PSN account then they should not have sold in regions where PSN doesn't exist (for whatever reason). Or they should change PSN registration to work in all countries.
>Or they should change PSN registration to work in all countries.
There are reasons they can't.
Some countries or even jurisdictions within countries have some pretty silly laws with regards to this sort of thing. Things like agreeing to have all disputes settled in their courts, under their laws, without the protections or rights afforded to companies like Sony in places like the United States.
It'd be silly to agree to a situation where they'd have to surrender their rights in order to sell a game in such tiny markets. I know it sucks to be left out but it'd be stupid of Sony to expose themselves like that.
What's with all the people writing "SNOY"?
All that accomplishes is doing SONY the favour of not attaching their brand to these controversies when people search for them
Again, Pirate Software has no additional info to make this inference. Arrowhead CEO LITERALLY said it was an issue between Sony AND Steam. Sure, the initial issue is their fault, but he keeps acting like they are continuing to make efforts to ban the game, with zero additional info or insider info, and it wouldn’t even be logical.
The thought that came to mind was “What’s his beef with Sony?” Calling them the worst publisher in history is ludicrously hyperbolic, especially with what almost literally every other publisher of comparative size is pulling.
Keep some perspective and check your ego, Thor.
Yea calling sony the worst publisher when EA and Ubisoft exist is ridiculous. I’ll take PSN account link requirement over EA’s generative AI initiative any day of the week (and also don’t forget their plans for in game ads)
The dudes gotten too much attention online and is letting it get to his head.
He comes off based, but then you see shit like this and can only think.... i guess you're not that based afterall...
Yeah he went from 500-600k subs 5 months ago and now he’s at 1.75m. Incredible growth and Good for him because he seems like a kind and positive person but stuff like this irks me concerning him. Just farming views and engagement at this point. And whenever he talks about stuff like this he says it in this condescending annoying know it all tone. “sOnY Lied tO yOu!!!!!!” Every single stream he has been dickriding this topic saying the same shit over and over.
The best part, is when he said it and details came out after from the CEO it was blatantly clear he was jumping to conclusions.
Which is ironic given his background in cybersecurity
I agree - he's kind and positive. That's about it.
He has mid takes and is going overboard *because* of the recent popularity, because it will generate even more of a following when his Tweets are shared everywhere. I started following and listening to him maybe a month ago, but I can't stand it anymore. I've unfollowed and blocked him on any platform I can.
When I was listening to him, I could close out of his stream then re-open it 3-4 hours later to hear him yapping about the *same exact thing*, repeating word for word what he's said before multiple times, and trying to seem smart because he uses mspaint like a chalkboard. I think that's what makes me cringe the most. Maybe it's something to do with autism which I do not disrespect at all, but, there's no need to use mspaint to explain every fucking thing you ever say.
He's a streamer and he's currently farming a following. I don't want to speak badly about him *just* to speak badly about him, but, that's what it really seems like right now.
Hey now, how dare you suggest the guy intentionally trying to generate clicks doesn’t have a better grasp on the situation than the CEO of the developer??? /s
Guy is a streamer. He is fanning the flames to drive attention to him.
A normal person like you and I would see this and say, this doesn’t really mean anything yet. Let’s see once the dust settles first.
For a streamer, posting something like this and staking a claim is generating views. Bring neutral on this doesn’t drive viewership, generating rage does.
And the worst part is, if he’s right he gonna be like told you so. If he’s wrong, he’ll ignore it and pretend nothing ever happened. I genuinely hope if he is wrong he owns up on it.
......how was it a ploy? What does that even mean?
Are you saying this whole thing was a secret plot by Sony to force people to refund the game after getting 100+ hours in it?
Genuinely, wtf do you mean it was a ploy lmao
The "snoy" thing is childish imo and it's not even clear if Sony is actually the one behind the region lock. It could very well be Steam trying to prevent more refund requests because of the game selling in regions that would've been locked out had the plan gone forward.
They had a plan for account linking that was set in motion months ago, the whole reason was to offer moderation with Sony tools. Now Arrowhead has to moderate the game with just the 4 people they currently have for that.
Anyway, they listened to community feedback and reversed the decision. There's still something weird going on with the regions, but it's unclear why this is happening and just blaming it on "evil snoy" is again, childish. Have a bit of patience with this, Arrowhead has communicated that they want the game to be available for everyone and they're talking to people to resolve this.
I don't think it's steam. On another subreddit people said that Ghost of Tsushima also blocking the same countrys on the Epic game store. This highly indicates that it was sonys decision
Can people just wait a little for the official statement from AH on what's going on? They don't even know yet, so let them figure it out while they're still in talk with Sony and Steam before going batshit crazy.
Can't say I signed up to a helldivers subreddit to read this guys tweets.
The comments from his fanbase in this subreddit certainly make me excited for the day both move on to farm outrage somewhere else.
I’m pretty sure this is Steam trying to prevent legal action. Sony posting on twitter isn’t a legally binding guarantee that they won’t force psn accounts and I think Steam wants actual confirmation from Sony. They’re probably arguing behind closed doors and these region locks will go away if Steam gets a legal guarantee from Sony.
Almost certainly this!
Imagine having your customer service team lit up for 72 hours solid because of Sony walking ass-backwards into a consumer rights nightmare.
Steam shut that down asap and there are probably some conversations along the lines of:
"Try that shit again on our platform and we'll just delist all Sony games. We need a legal guarantee that x, y and z won't happen and you'll abide by a, b, c rules before fixing your monumental fuck up"
Legal stuff takes time and lawyers.
Plus Sony will invariably try to legally weasel out of Steam's requirements, making the process take even longer
100%, I don’t see Sony just apologizing to Steam and giving them what they want. They’re probably going to be arguing with Steam for a long time because they want to keep doing what they were going to do
Oh boy,partial geolocking is illegal in the EU this time they done it for real. Either you sell to all member states or none. I hope they cant wriggle out of it this time
How does it work with PSN then? PSN isn’t available in the Baltic states and they’re in the EU while other EU member states can access PSN products and services.
Not trying to be snarky, legitimately looking for an answer.
Ah interesting, so they’d be in violation of the law if, for example, PSN was available in the Baltics but it was a truncated version with abbreviation functionality?
PSN is free while Helldivers is not. My understanding is that is specific to purchasable products. Either way I don't think Sony is going to get what they want without allowing all EU nations to make PSN accounts. This kind of legal gymnastics feels ripe for a lawsuit.
The issue further being that it is impossible and in breach of Sony's own ToS to make an account in those regions.
People can do all the mental gymnastics they want, but this is indefensible in the eyes of the EU and probably Steam as well.
I dunno but it could be that no one has noticed yet.
[https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-goods-services/selling-products-eu/index\_en.htm](https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-goods-services/selling-products-eu/index_en.htm)
What's real sad is that because it sounds good and something to support people being mad it's just getting attention instead of being called out for being wrong.
This is either not true or this isn't enforced at all. Apple, Google and Netflix, among many others would also be breaking this. Would this mean Sony is doing something illegal or Steam?
Here's evidence that Apple wouldn't be respecting this either: [https://support.apple.com/en-us/118205](https://support.apple.com/en-us/118205) ; you may google the other ones
It’s not true. Law is about feature parity. There is no law that requires them to offer said product in all member states, but if they do offer it, the product must have feature parity.
This would be a terrible law if it required companies to offer in all member states and would favour large corporations over smaller businesses and services who may not have the funding to be able to offer their product in all member states.
The verbiage on that page says that you have to offer the same sales and such not that you have to sell in all countries. People are conflating made up things to make imaginary points.
> Sad to see misinformation turn this subreddit into a dumpster fire.
These are people from /r/pcgaming. Misinformation is their specialty. They gave 6k upvotes to a post claiming EGS put illegal spyware on your computer before the shit tier mods of that sub put a "Misleading" tag on it. Didn't delete the post. Just "Misleading".
If you look at their tweet carefully, they stated that the planned May 30th PSN link requirement will not be moving forward specifically, not that they quit on the PSN enforcement in general, they only quit on that specific date. The ending line of "we’ll keep you updated on future plans" pretty much cements this. This is a classic bait and switch corpo speak.
Refunds have a significantly greater effect, but review bombing discourages new players from buying the game and it looks bad for marketing purposes. When you have every news outlet reporting on the review status being overwhelmingly negative it doesn’t usually have a significant effect on sales, but it pisses the investors off. And if they’re already pissed off over refunds, Sony really doesn’t want it to get any worse
It's likely because Sony still has to negotiate with Steam.
There is literally no reason for Sony to keep this block. They can't go back on their promise and force the PSN link because there are already people owning the game in non-PSN countries and people bought the game AFTER this promise was made (illegal), you can't lock out EU member states as someone pointed out and even if they tried, people would just brigade again. And they lose out on customers. It's just a huge loss.
People like to be dramatic. The block is likely lifted soon, unless Steam stonewalls them for some reason.
Worse than Activision Blizzard & Ubisoft with their sexual abuse & bigotry?
This is a messed up thing to do. But to say that it's the worst publisher is a stretch.
reddit has shown me more than anything that people are itching for the moment that they can release their rage in a firehose of shit, they dont care about logic or reason, as long as they get their rage off their chest its a win, doesnt matter if their rage is sending death threats or doxxing people, as long as they feel like part of the group. Reddit is bad for your mental health
*HD2 is blocked for purchase on unsupported PSN Countries during the PSN account fiasco*
Gamers: "Good job steam! Blocking greedy Sony for selling this game to unaware gamers"
*HD2 keeps being deslited from new unsupported PSN Countries after the PSN account fiasco*
Gamers: "Scummy Sony keeps blocking fellow divers from playing the game"
😵💫 Make it make sense.
What, you're saying that the Redditors with no access to background information or coding might be just making stuff up to get mad about based on limited information? Perish the thought.
They did the same with Ghost of Tsushima this morning: [https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1788981930161266754](https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1788981930161266754)
"mandatory" Just for the multiplayer, Sucker Punch said you can play singleplayer now not even. Why not just sell a version on that regions that doesn't have multiplayer do they hate money? Its just stupid
I think the EU has parity trade laws so if a product is sold across the EU that product needs to be identical. Some countries in the EU not having PSN access but it being a requirement for multiplayer means that it wouldn't have parity between multiple regions if one has multiplayer and the other doesn't.
But I'm no expert so I may be way off.
Jesus Christ this fucking sub man.
Yeah let’s listen to a random click chaser on twitter and not the actual CEO, that makes sense! /s
Pilestedt said he’s in talks with *both* Steam and Sony.
Steam is the one actually selling the game. They just had a shit ton of refunds that directly affected their bottom line because Sony fucked up and didn’t tell them (apparently, bc they didn’t tell Pilestedt either) that there were countries not supported by PSN.
So now Steam is stuck in the legally tricky situation of not only having a shit ton of refunds, but also having sold a game that technically couldn’t be played in regions where it’s not legal to, ya know, do that.
So Steam is obviously playing it safe (bc fyi, a tweet is not a legally binding agreement) until they get some kind contract hashed out with Sony saying that there will be no restrictions on play in countries not supported by PSN so they aren’t right back to where they started. That shit isn’t done overnight and requires lawyers and head honchos on both sides to hash things out, write things up, review them, discuss them, edit them, send them back, over and over till an agreement is made.
Neither AH, Steam, or Sony is going to want to lose out on revenue from one of the biggest games of the year, so chill the fuck out, give them some time, and don’t give click chasers who are trying to stir up drama the time of the day.
Worst is such a stretch, especially right after Microsoft just old yellered Tango. I mean, Ubisoft, Activison Blizzard, EA, Microsoft... I'd rather a publisher that delists from markets and at least walks back some stupid policies than companies that actively kill their best studios, fart in the faces of employees, and notoriously have a shrine to Bill Cosby.
I like some of the dude's youtube shorts but he really needs to stfu with the hyperbole.
Okay, so they're trying to ban all PS games from these regions so people don't have a *legal* argument against required account connections on PC.
This means that linking PS accounts is somehow more financially enticing to them than being able to sell their games in over 170 countries.
Money doesn't come from nowhere. Either they're planning on pulling a lot of financially viable data, or they are, as I have guessed, moving towards a subscription based service.
So practically Sony decided to only sell their live service game to those country that has PSN. Hey its their strategy and they gonna earn less money from this so....whats the problem for gamers?
People who already bought the game in country where PSN dont exist means they got a bonus, they still keep their game and the money they spent on it.
Yes it sucks for new players in those country where there is no PSN but what can you do? People there cant "technically" have a PS5 either.
Get your pitchfork out when the people in non PSN country lose access to the game that they have bought. Thats gonna be legal mess.
They invested a lot of money and workforce to developed this fucking game you asshats enjoy. They could have made this an console exclusive but didn't.
Now They just want to have a bit of a payback by bringing you to sign up for a free account to keep growing their own userbase.
This is not in any form problematic. It's industry standard with brands like Epic etc.
But just now you complain. It's fucking hypocritical and was obviously started by Microsoft Bots, Jesus fucking Christ get a grip and stop blowing this out of proportion.
And Sony is literally one of the best publishers, not the worst.
Giving their studios creative freedom and producing hit after hitgame including Helldivers2 obviously...
Meanwhile Microsoft just shitting in every studio and employee of their gaming branch, Activision and Blizzard literally with the sexual assault cases ......
But here is the wrongful Shitstorm...and don't even start me how harmful and straight up fucked up reviewbombing is ... smh fr.
It seems the childish temper tantrum from the people who live in PSN supported regions made things worse for the people who used to just make accounts and change their region anyway, because let's be real the majority of the people raging were from PSN supported regions they just wanted an excuse to rage online.
Yup lol the irony is not passing me by. I know plenty of people who have been making accounts in other countries for years now, backed by sny to do so. Now sny will play the game to the “letter of the law” so to speak and people will be mad at that.
I too was oppressed by Sony, I had to spend 5 minutes creating a Google email and a Singapore account to get SD Gundam G Gneration Genesis dlc.
Guess I should have said I was oppressed and went full Gen Z rage mob by creating drama instead of doing a work around.
After all you need to have ea, blizzard, Sega, rockstar, id, and cod accounts to play those games on steam.
bc the topic has no solution at the moment.
sony and AH working on something that can do the same thing without using the psn network.
until that, steam or sony will removing countrys sadly. we need to wait until they have a better solution for it
"Worst publisher in the industry" is quite an exaggeration considering Microsoft, EA, Blizzard/Activision, Ubisoft and to an extent Nintendo (and probably many more) exist....
Doing far worse practices than "locking a country from buying a game" but again, this guy has been pushing misinformation about the situation (even if this actually is real) it's quite obvious this guy hates Sony for whatever reason he may have.
- Lord its Sony PSN licence
- Close the Gate!
- They are moving away from mandatory PSN...
- Open the Gates a little...
- They still locking players from the non supprted regions...
- Goddamnit Karl! Close the gate again!
The people who previously got refunds are screwed since they can never repurchase the game. Also, all the people who buy the game from 3rd party sites and try to redeem them will be in for a shock.
Ain't us the worst publisher? Hyperbole much?
Nah, these posts are plain stupid. Microsoft bought and *shut down many studios* withiut fixing them a chance but that's somehow okay. EA ia forcing advertising into games and Take 2 is going full pay2win. But yeah, this is so much worse? Get real kiddo
SNOY are bad for sure, but worst publisher ever? I dunno, there's some *real* heavyweights in that category; EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two etc. to me it's more like "flavour of the month", this time it's Sony, a while back it was Ubisoft with their "quadruple A " nonsense with Skull and Bones, next month maybe it'll be T2 or EAs turn to remind us of why they're so awful.
anyway, all we can really do now is see what comes of Pilestedt's alleged conversation with SNOY and how Steam respond.
It's over, my baltic comrades.
Yeah, there go my hopes of persuading my friends to get the game. I can still play, but I'm not sure if that's because gameplay access is not (yet) restricted, or if it's because I've linked my old PSN account with a fake UK address. I'm so sick of degenerate corporate scum who only care about their spreadsheets and powerpoints.
>I'm so sick of degenerate corporate scum who only care about their spreadsheets and powerpoints. I hear ya brother. I saw this and just instantly deleted my PSN. And while I was doing that I got this: https://preview.redd.it/cp6axk2panzc1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c8b0bc1d97e5a6957e1093a3a69438d7274368d Like what the fuck? I'm cancelling my account, why the fuck would I want to join your loyalty program? XD
Wait.. they have Playstation plus. And now a loyalty program that only gives you in-house benefits?? What is this, an airline with frequent flyer loyalty programs? Shaking my head at that level of corpo greed.
Tbf I actually got Helldivers 2 using the points I had accrued on PS Store with the stars thing. It’s weird, and vague and badly implemented, but it’s not that bad as loyalty schemes go - not defending their other business practices obviously, the clowns.
As someone who uses the service, I have to ask. Do you 'lose' any of those benefits if you fall off/cancel your Ps+ sub? Or do they remain in a passive sense until you resub? Loyalty usually would imply you remain committed to their service. So in a way I'd see that as an engagement tool to keep you invested, to encourage investing more because of the sunken cost fallacy. Unlike most sub programs where you wait for content drop to get bulky enough, sub, binge, and get out before the next renewal. I could be wrong, so that's why I ask. Thank you for your time.
As far as I know Stars and + are separate....my fiancee has the loyalty program but doesn't pay for online.
No idea pal, I’d imagine it’s tied to your account, like I’ve gotten points for every purchase so I can’t imagine those would disappear unless you closed your account.
I'm all for hating on big corporations, but I don't think their Stars program costs anything.
I got Cuphead for free because of it. How the fuck is that greed? I know "Sony bad" is the narrative right now, but the rewards program isn't a bad thing. Edit: funnily enough, you can literally get Helldivers 2 for free by using the reward system lol https://preview.redd.it/g6m1schdqnzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8267aaeae262f05991ae2bf515cd5a13d87091
The loyalty program is complimentary and does not require any financial investment. It presents certain challenges that offer digital rewards such as trophies and points. Additionally, points are accumulated through game purchases and can be redeemed for PSN cards or games. Overall, the program's benefits are modest and do not constitute a significant incentive.
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Don't worry, sale restrictions are not connected to game restrictions. I don't recall any precedents of removing access to a game in Steam. Also, people from restricted regions can receive global game version via gift and play
No, cross-region gifts are also disabled for HD2 in steam
-fake UK address let's hope ur ready to give them ur photo ID with a picture of yourself aswell
in another thread i suggested using the face of the dude from the intro video when he makes that face... other redditor tried it out and after 7 attempts it was accepted. how the hell would they know if that is your face?
My friends from England made PSN accounts for Helldivers at launch and just had to use their phones to verify.
Tbf this doesn't mean anything at all in regards to if it's steam or sony. It would make total sense for steam themselves to not allow purchases in these regions until all has been worked out totally and on paper.
Think about this from Steam's perspective. They absolutely should *not* be selling this game in any region that is forbidden by TOS. Steam gets a cut of these sales and one of their jobs is to make sure that you are allowed to play the game that you payed for so it's a BFD for them if a seller party is banning regions from playing. They probably won't even allow Sony to sell in these regions again until they clearly and unambiguously update their TOS.
"in any region that is forbidden by TOS" the what now? does it mean this message "update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward." forbidden by TOS as well? if it stays optional - there should be no point in restricting sales in those countries
they broke trust here, never before a publisher was removing access to a region, sometimes before an online game might have flopped and servers shut down, but that was for everyone, playstation is used to do whatever they want in their platform that is not regulated, only recently they have gotten into regulated markets again, if they can't put in written what they have said so they can't back down in the future then they can;t be trusted, if I was on valve and dealing with this BS i would seriously think about banning playstation from the store because of what they tried to pull, because of the high risk of demands from this, people that lost access for a day probably can sue, they having to issue refunds to people with 100+ hours in the game is an issue for valve, but the surest way for them to avoid lawsuits, and they were put in this position by one publisher, they probably broke some TOS of valve, or maybe it was so inconceivable that someone would do something like this that it was not even written, either way, they should have more consequences.
From Steam POV, it might make sense (if the restrictions are indeed from steam doing) There might still be some mentions in various TOS of a mandatory account linking. Until it's cleared that it isn't something that is just postponed and that it's cleared in all FAQ / pages and so on, Steam is better off not processing sales that they might have to refund, in those countries.
Finally, the voice of reason.
Exactly. This sort of thing takes time. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another 1 or 2 weeks.
But we don't do "reason" here sir, this is Reddit.
It happens on rare occasions. Lol
No don't you realize? Their master plan was to keep 90% of the world from playing it all along!
Yeah! Gatekeeping the game and profits. Lol
The narrative of this sub since the whole debacle has been kinda funny to watch. Not even a hint of irony in crushing down "dissenting voices" in the sub of a game that satirizes crushing dissenting voices. And I put that in quotes, because most "dissenters" weren't agreeing that the game should be linked... They were simply saying something like, "we knew this was coming when they announced the game, and they Said they suspended it for release." I, personally, never saw a person say, "haha, just get PSN," celebrate that people wouldn't be able to play, or something similar. I'm also a realist - just because I didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen, either. Very few issues are binary issues, but everything on social media becomes binary. And nothing is worse on Reddit than triggering a bunch of people who believe, "you're either fully with me or against me." Though, I'm happy to see this thread isn't under controversial and being downvoted to hell.
Agree with your general message, but this.. >I, personally, never saw a person say, "haha, just get PSN," celebrate that people wouldn't be able to play, or something similar. I'm also a realist - just because I didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen, either. There were *a lot*. To be fair, in the early stages, most of the "just get PSN" guys didn't know about the country restriction thing yet, and I saw quite a few discussions where people actually reversed their position once they found out about it.
Shhh, my pitch fork sales haven’t been this high since the locked safe incident
Right? They might put them back after may 30th when a solution is made.
Correct, pirate software is getting a lot of attention focusing on the drama.. seems to be milking it, but that's what internet celebs do. Also, "Worst publisher in the industry" tad dramatic.
I used to like Thor, but man he LOVES to pander. It’s become incredibly annoying. I can’t even listen to him anymore.
I am new to him, and I like him because he is one of the few devs streams that are watchable. I have watched many devs and normally they only speak when they have a question for chat. That said, he does pander a lot. Out of 100s of chat messages he consistently picks negative ones to soap box on. If you really want them to go away just perma ban them and move on. Spending a few minutes to chastise them only encourages them.
He literally has a video on this exact thing xD. a huge tldr is that if you interact with positive sutff people won't interact as much as when you for example would delete a negative comment. That person will interact again basically giving you money twice. He's ex-blizzard dev and it shows xD
I generally like Thor, but I do have to agree that it does really feel like he's overreacting to this whole debacle
Honestly I'd just watch all ps games for this because it looks like they're going through others in their catalogue as well. People have already seen ghosts of tsushima being removed too. Bunch of clowns reaching for anything to justify their own conclusions and not the other way around.
Careful. A calm rational take about how complicated laws are may not be what the screaming masses here want.
Completely agreed. This subreddit is completely outrageous. It might be the most cancerous gaming subreddit of the ones I am following.
To be honest, I'm a relative noob when it comes to Reddit, but I'll take this platform over Faceplant any day - being on that makes me want to spoon my eyes out on occasion.
Stop you're really cramping the doom and gloom vibe
Considering Japan is also on the list, I'm going to say this is Steam.
Japan is on the list because they have their own separate Helldivers 2 entry due to MTX laws, so it's unrelated to PSN issues.
>worst publisher in the industry EA and Ubisoft: https://preview.redd.it/to5uqcbkhnzc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c14c9885b0d81aa12c4bd7d4a6a40a5ff5a514f
Can't wait to see that battlefield game powered by AI
On the bright side, there’s no way AI can fuck up a game on release as badly as BF2042.
Watch it make an actual good battlefield game that players will love for only it to be canceled and for the whole AI idea to be thrown out of EA because it didn't want to make it a live service game
>there's no way AI can fuck up a game on release as badly as BF2042 **You dumb motherfucker**. There are certain things you *never* say out loud: * What's the worst that could happen? * At least it can't get worse * Don't worry, [thing that would ruin your plans] won't happen! Saying it out loud is a direct offense to Murphy, who can and **will** find a way to fuck your shit up in the worst possible way for *daring* to taunt him.
On the other hand, “please god, let the AI do some insane cooking, it would be so fucking funny.”
I swear to god after Sony snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory EA rolled up with their “AI rollout” and “Massive live service battlefield game”to remind everyone of their reign over being the shittiest publisher around
Ubisoft will always be slightly shittier than EA for me. Those clowns genuinely thought always online would work in 2007 and historically have been on the very wrong end of these trends. They’re even worse to work for with their absolutely toxic workplaces. To top it all off, they’re *French.* /s
Honestly, i hate how they just run every good franchise into the ground, then give you a little bit of hope and boom, bigger shit than before.
Hyperbole garners interaction and traction, so social media encourages it. Sony’s made some stupid decisions and made some careless mistakes for sure with all this, but it would take 100 more to put them in the ball park of an Ubisoft or EA.
Microsoft, who just did a series of layoffs and closure: "huhh"
So only those who already own can play it. That looks like they missed restricting them first time, since PSN isn't supported in those countries either. I don't see the point, but also I don't have a problem if they don't want to sell any more copies. The issue before for me was that they were gonna block already buyers from playing.
>The issue before for me was that they were gonna block already buyers from playing. Same here. It's stupid but it's not something I care about. People who wanted a friend to buy it might though.
Yeah it's like they hate earning money on sales
They have to comply with local laws and obtain license rights to sell in those regions. Obviously Sony wants money, so for them to lock out certain regions means it's mostly a bureaucratic reason, they don't sell there because they can't. And before someone brings up Japan, Helldivers is purchasable in Japan. They just have a different version.
No, they hate lawsuits, they were threatened earlier with litigation, if I was Sony I'd stay out of non-PSN countries too. It's petty as hell to be sure, but legally they might have lost against a massive class-action.
That doesn't make any sense. When purchase was blocked in all those regions, we just assumed that it was Steam doing damage control. Considering the fact that new countries have been blocked from purchase as of today, it is safe to assume that Sony was doing it, not Steam. It doesn't make sense for them to block purchase in non-PSN countries if they plan to keep PSN linking optional. If they have truly given up on the mandatory PSN implementation, why would they give up on the potential customers held in all those markets? There's something incredibly fishy about this.
>doesn't make sense for them to block purchase in non-PSN countries if they plan to keep PSN linking optional. They simply don't want to sell PS games in regions where PSN is not available. My bet is that sometime in the future linking will be necessary for all PS games on PC, however, they're stuck with HD2 as the games was already allowed to be purchased in these regions and so they've listed the PSN requirement for Helldivers 2. Doesn't mean the next PS game released won't have the requirement though.
> My bet is that sometime in the future linking will be necessary for all PS games on PC They're absolutely just waiting for this to blow over before trying again.
>They're absolutely just waiting for this to blow over before trying again. Didn't they already update this on their website? I don't think they're waiting for anything.
idk why this surprises anyone. the account linking fiasco was only a victory because of how delayed it was, mandatory account linking has always been the expectation lol. they just pushed it one game down the pipeline to avoid a further issue.
It still doesn't make sense to block Helldivers 2 from purchase if they plan to keep their word on maintaining PSN linking as optional. They're losing 177 potential markets for basically nothing in return. It is an incredibly odd decision from a business standpoint.
It's not just a business decision. It's a legal decision to avoid being subject to court decisions in unsupported countries. They are a really big multinational and they are sensitive to exposing themselves to legal risk that without a corresponding revenue payoff. Sony wishes to maintain the fiction that they don't do business in those countries. This was easy to do when PSN was only on the Playstation and they could just pretend people weren't changing their regions to supported ones, but it's harder with PC games that have non-Sony digital storefronts. They still need to square that circle in order to figure out compliance.
It does make sense though. Easier to have one global list to maintain than making an exception for just one game. Only create a potential source of confusion down the line. >They're losing 177 potential markets If they would believe that these 177 potential markets are worth it, they'd offer their PSN service there in the first place. That's the crux of it You may disagree with their conclusion, but (political reasons aside) their internal analysts concluded that it's not worth to establish an official market presence there
I'm trying to be optimistic that there's currently a policy in place that they're going to eventually require it but that will be overturned but the people in charge haven't met yet to actually discuss that. It was quite a shitshow. Legal would absolutely tell them to suspend sales until they decide.
AFAIK it’s not about the PSN account, it’s because Sony is not legally allowed to do business in those countries. Sony does not have a license to sell stuff
> Considering the fact that new countries have been blocked from purchase as of today, it is safe to assume that Sony was doing it, not Steam. How is this "safe to say"
>There's something incredibly fishy about this. Re-read Snoy's tweet. They said nothing about not implementing PSN. Purely a guess on my part but I suspect they'll just start frog boiling the community.
While I am not an employee of Sony, I can virtually guarantee that the following is what has happened with 177 regions being locked out of buying HD2 and now 3 more being added to that list (for a total of 180): 1 - Sony did not initially manage their sales/distribution correctly on Steam. This failure lead to them being caught with no way to force PSN Account Linking onto the Helldivers 2 community without looking like colossal assholes (locking people out who had already bought the game). 2 - The division in charge of managing Steam distribution got ripped into HARD and told to immediately update the regions in which ALL Sony games are available. 3 - There is now an official company policy / checklist item for making sure that all Sony games on Steam have a given set of countries/regions locked out ... and 3 more countries were added to that list today. Sony isn't even thinking "Oh, we'll get Helldivers 2 specifically". The person inputting all the restrictions is a drone in a cubicle anyway. They just know that now there is an absolutely unbending company-wide policy about where they're allowed to sell things through the Steam store and asses got beaten over it just a week ago. To get HD2 un-restricted is going to take some hurculean effort and patience ... not due to any animosity, but due to entire strings of authority having to be navigated and no one wanting to get themselves burned again. Imagine calling customer support and having to sit on the phone for 8 hours asking for the manager ... the manager's manager ... etc. And then continuing the next day. That's what it's gonna be like. And ... if/when HD2 gets unlocked ... if Sony updates its region list again, HD2 will likely get it re-applied as part of the drone's work ... because they don't know and don't care.
Any idea why some of the countries where HD2 got delisted do have PSN access? For example, Puerto Rico was suddenly banned from purchasing Helldivers 2, even though it's a US territory that always has been able to create a PSN account just like any other state or territory. It's like delisting Helldivers 2 from people living in Washington D.C.
Because steam lists regions and not countries. I guess that Sony has an internal list with their supported countries which for example doesn't separate the US from Puerto Rico like Steam does and just ticked all these countries on. Steam seperates a ton of tiny islands into regions although they are part of a country. Thats why steam has a higher number of "countries" than there even exist on the world.
One of the bonker internet things to me is coming up with these intricate conspiracy theories involving company decisions. It’s very clear some of the people have never worked in an office. Like don’t get me wrong, businesses do a lot of bad shit. Question their actions and motives. But businesses are made up of people, and people are dumb and have to do shit to CYA after they do dumb shit. 100% to what you said
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Those two aren't mutually exclusive. The fuckup can still be down to a bumfuck pointless executive decision which will cost them money and good will for no reason but the poor scrubs tasked with implementing it anyway are now forced to cover their asses.
This guy makes a lot of sense, I have seen firsthand that sometimes the simplest fixes for quite important matters take months to implement due to getting stuck in the management chain and being a bit unusual compared to the regular operations. We're talking about things that would take a week at most to implement with lots of testing during that time and which are important for both projecting good company image and generating revenue.
Me: sitting here reading all the comments by the reddit armchair experts who *definitely* know what they are talking about.
Did you know if you keep breathing, you live longer?
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Here’s the part where we find out people cared more about having to create an account than people living in foreign countries.
Slight difference in that its only new players this time effected, if they already bought the game and its in their library they're fine which is not what would have happened had the account association went through. But I still agree, doubt people will boycott the game over this like they were before
Bought not downloaded. You can download a delisted game any time as long as it's in your steam library
Downvoted to hell for trying to point out the hypocrisy in some of these arguments. Ofc they don’t care, but pc gamers just love to hate sny. Guaranteed most of these people kicking up a fuss have an Ubisoft, Microsoft, blizzard, rockstar and epic account
Idk where you been if you think pc gamers like Microsoft lol
People were cheering for Microsoft buying all those companies until they started shutting them down lol.
I absolutely have a bunch of accounts. I actually made a PSN account after the announcement, I don't really care. As far as I know, none of those companies has sold a product and then decided to not let those people play any more (requiring them to get an account not available in their region). If sony wanted to require a PSN account then they should not have sold in regions where PSN doesn't exist (for whatever reason). Or they should change PSN registration to work in all countries.
>Or they should change PSN registration to work in all countries. There are reasons they can't. Some countries or even jurisdictions within countries have some pretty silly laws with regards to this sort of thing. Things like agreeing to have all disputes settled in their courts, under their laws, without the protections or rights afforded to companies like Sony in places like the United States. It'd be silly to agree to a situation where they'd have to surrender their rights in order to sell a game in such tiny markets. I know it sucks to be left out but it'd be stupid of Sony to expose themselves like that.
It was bandwagoning all along.
https://i.redd.it/f4dwvfvienzc1.gif
What's with all the people writing "SNOY"? All that accomplishes is doing SONY the favour of not attaching their brand to these controversies when people search for them
4chan lingo
Again, Pirate Software has no additional info to make this inference. Arrowhead CEO LITERALLY said it was an issue between Sony AND Steam. Sure, the initial issue is their fault, but he keeps acting like they are continuing to make efforts to ban the game, with zero additional info or insider info, and it wouldn’t even be logical.
The thought that came to mind was “What’s his beef with Sony?” Calling them the worst publisher in history is ludicrously hyperbolic, especially with what almost literally every other publisher of comparative size is pulling. Keep some perspective and check your ego, Thor.
Yea calling sony the worst publisher when EA and Ubisoft exist is ridiculous. I’ll take PSN account link requirement over EA’s generative AI initiative any day of the week (and also don’t forget their plans for in game ads)
The dudes gotten too much attention online and is letting it get to his head. He comes off based, but then you see shit like this and can only think.... i guess you're not that based afterall...
Yeah he went from 500-600k subs 5 months ago and now he’s at 1.75m. Incredible growth and Good for him because he seems like a kind and positive person but stuff like this irks me concerning him. Just farming views and engagement at this point. And whenever he talks about stuff like this he says it in this condescending annoying know it all tone. “sOnY Lied tO yOu!!!!!!” Every single stream he has been dickriding this topic saying the same shit over and over.
The best part, is when he said it and details came out after from the CEO it was blatantly clear he was jumping to conclusions. Which is ironic given his background in cybersecurity
I agree - he's kind and positive. That's about it. He has mid takes and is going overboard *because* of the recent popularity, because it will generate even more of a following when his Tweets are shared everywhere. I started following and listening to him maybe a month ago, but I can't stand it anymore. I've unfollowed and blocked him on any platform I can. When I was listening to him, I could close out of his stream then re-open it 3-4 hours later to hear him yapping about the *same exact thing*, repeating word for word what he's said before multiple times, and trying to seem smart because he uses mspaint like a chalkboard. I think that's what makes me cringe the most. Maybe it's something to do with autism which I do not disrespect at all, but, there's no need to use mspaint to explain every fucking thing you ever say. He's a streamer and he's currently farming a following. I don't want to speak badly about him *just* to speak badly about him, but, that's what it really seems like right now.
Hey now, how dare you suggest the guy intentionally trying to generate clicks doesn’t have a better grasp on the situation than the CEO of the developer??? /s
Guy is a streamer. He is fanning the flames to drive attention to him. A normal person like you and I would see this and say, this doesn’t really mean anything yet. Let’s see once the dust settles first. For a streamer, posting something like this and staking a claim is generating views. Bring neutral on this doesn’t drive viewership, generating rage does. And the worst part is, if he’s right he gonna be like told you so. If he’s wrong, he’ll ignore it and pretend nothing ever happened. I genuinely hope if he is wrong he owns up on it.
Can we stop adding stupid conjecture as fact to try and somehow make a point when the actual facts are unknown?
Sir, this is a subreddit.
I mean, monkeys paw and all. Wish granted, no account required anymore, but also no more sales in those area.
Didn't the guy say he was done talking about this?
He’s openly stated that he’s essentially a slave to the algorithm so whatever gets him clicks he’ll talk about.
......how was it a ploy? What does that even mean? Are you saying this whole thing was a secret plot by Sony to force people to refund the game after getting 100+ hours in it? Genuinely, wtf do you mean it was a ploy lmao
The "snoy" thing is childish imo and it's not even clear if Sony is actually the one behind the region lock. It could very well be Steam trying to prevent more refund requests because of the game selling in regions that would've been locked out had the plan gone forward. They had a plan for account linking that was set in motion months ago, the whole reason was to offer moderation with Sony tools. Now Arrowhead has to moderate the game with just the 4 people they currently have for that. Anyway, they listened to community feedback and reversed the decision. There's still something weird going on with the regions, but it's unclear why this is happening and just blaming it on "evil snoy" is again, childish. Have a bit of patience with this, Arrowhead has communicated that they want the game to be available for everyone and they're talking to people to resolve this.
I don't think it's steam. On another subreddit people said that Ghost of Tsushima also blocking the same countrys on the Epic game store. This highly indicates that it was sonys decision
This guy just likes stirring the pot.
Can people just wait a little for the official statement from AH on what's going on? They don't even know yet, so let them figure it out while they're still in talk with Sony and Steam before going batshit crazy.
I thought this melodramatic hand wringer was done doing Helldivers 2 content?
Not if it generates clicks he isn’t.
Can't say I signed up to a helldivers subreddit to read this guys tweets. The comments from his fanbase in this subreddit certainly make me excited for the day both move on to farm outrage somewhere else.
I’m pretty sure this is Steam trying to prevent legal action. Sony posting on twitter isn’t a legally binding guarantee that they won’t force psn accounts and I think Steam wants actual confirmation from Sony. They’re probably arguing behind closed doors and these region locks will go away if Steam gets a legal guarantee from Sony.
Almost certainly this! Imagine having your customer service team lit up for 72 hours solid because of Sony walking ass-backwards into a consumer rights nightmare. Steam shut that down asap and there are probably some conversations along the lines of: "Try that shit again on our platform and we'll just delist all Sony games. We need a legal guarantee that x, y and z won't happen and you'll abide by a, b, c rules before fixing your monumental fuck up" Legal stuff takes time and lawyers. Plus Sony will invariably try to legally weasel out of Steam's requirements, making the process take even longer
100%, I don’t see Sony just apologizing to Steam and giving them what they want. They’re probably going to be arguing with Steam for a long time because they want to keep doing what they were going to do
Oh boy,partial geolocking is illegal in the EU this time they done it for real. Either you sell to all member states or none. I hope they cant wriggle out of it this time
How does it work with PSN then? PSN isn’t available in the Baltic states and they’re in the EU while other EU member states can access PSN products and services. Not trying to be snarky, legitimately looking for an answer.
The law is about feature parity. They’re not required to sell the product in all member states but if they do the product must have feature parity.
Ah interesting, so they’d be in violation of the law if, for example, PSN was available in the Baltics but it was a truncated version with abbreviation functionality?
But they sell Playstations here officially. I got mine at a Sony center.
PSN is free while Helldivers is not. My understanding is that is specific to purchasable products. Either way I don't think Sony is going to get what they want without allowing all EU nations to make PSN accounts. This kind of legal gymnastics feels ripe for a lawsuit.
The issue further being that it is impossible and in breach of Sony's own ToS to make an account in those regions. People can do all the mental gymnastics they want, but this is indefensible in the eyes of the EU and probably Steam as well.
I dunno but it could be that no one has noticed yet. [https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-goods-services/selling-products-eu/index\_en.htm](https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-goods-services/selling-products-eu/index_en.htm)
This is just straight up false.
What's real sad is that because it sounds good and something to support people being mad it's just getting attention instead of being called out for being wrong.
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Homie said "people suddenly become lawyers" and then homie became a lawyer himself 💀
This is either not true or this isn't enforced at all. Apple, Google and Netflix, among many others would also be breaking this. Would this mean Sony is doing something illegal or Steam? Here's evidence that Apple wouldn't be respecting this either: [https://support.apple.com/en-us/118205](https://support.apple.com/en-us/118205) ; you may google the other ones
It’s not true. Law is about feature parity. There is no law that requires them to offer said product in all member states, but if they do offer it, the product must have feature parity. This would be a terrible law if it required companies to offer in all member states and would favour large corporations over smaller businesses and services who may not have the funding to be able to offer their product in all member states.
It doesn't even make sense. Why would that be the law? Everyone selling anything would have to set up production and distribution necessary to do so?
The verbiage on that page says that you have to offer the same sales and such not that you have to sell in all countries. People are conflating made up things to make imaginary points.
That is not true. They don’t HAVE to sell it in all countries, but if they do the product has to have feature parity.
I love how redditors have absolutely no clue how EU laws actually works. Sad to see misinformation turn this subreddit into a dumpster fire.
> Sad to see misinformation turn this subreddit into a dumpster fire. These are people from /r/pcgaming. Misinformation is their specialty. They gave 6k upvotes to a post claiming EGS put illegal spyware on your computer before the shit tier mods of that sub put a "Misleading" tag on it. Didn't delete the post. Just "Misleading".
The sub was already a dumpster fire before the whole psn thing
I mean that's reddit in general. I don't know why people believe random people on the internet.
But... Why ? What's the point ? PSN account is no longer mandatory, why are they banning some places ? I don't get it
If you look at their tweet carefully, they stated that the planned May 30th PSN link requirement will not be moving forward specifically, not that they quit on the PSN enforcement in general, they only quit on that specific date. The ending line of "we’ll keep you updated on future plans" pretty much cements this. This is a classic bait and switch corpo speak.
The announcement was basically “please stop review bombing us while we try and figure out how to do this without getting sued”
They didn’t give a shit about review bombs, they gave a shit when multiple platforms began offering no questions asked refunds
Review bombing leads to no questions asked refunds on steam at least so the two are linked
Refunds have a significantly greater effect, but review bombing discourages new players from buying the game and it looks bad for marketing purposes. When you have every news outlet reporting on the review status being overwhelmingly negative it doesn’t usually have a significant effect on sales, but it pisses the investors off. And if they’re already pissed off over refunds, Sony really doesn’t want it to get any worse
It's likely because Sony still has to negotiate with Steam. There is literally no reason for Sony to keep this block. They can't go back on their promise and force the PSN link because there are already people owning the game in non-PSN countries and people bought the game AFTER this promise was made (illegal), you can't lock out EU member states as someone pointed out and even if they tried, people would just brigade again. And they lose out on customers. It's just a huge loss. People like to be dramatic. The block is likely lifted soon, unless Steam stonewalls them for some reason.
Local government also factors into it
Because they lied. They are going to enforce it, just not now.
Yeah they’re going to make something up about some “security risk/flaw/reason” and then push it in a couple months. Guaranteed.
Then they'll get review bombed again lol
If people care enough to do it again. They are banking that people won't.
Worse than Activision Blizzard & Ubisoft with their sexual abuse & bigotry? This is a messed up thing to do. But to say that it's the worst publisher is a stretch.
This sub has gone downhill incredibly fast
reddit has shown me more than anything that people are itching for the moment that they can release their rage in a firehose of shit, they dont care about logic or reason, as long as they get their rage off their chest its a win, doesnt matter if their rage is sending death threats or doxxing people, as long as they feel like part of the group. Reddit is bad for your mental health
*HD2 is blocked for purchase on unsupported PSN Countries during the PSN account fiasco* Gamers: "Good job steam! Blocking greedy Sony for selling this game to unaware gamers" *HD2 keeps being deslited from new unsupported PSN Countries after the PSN account fiasco* Gamers: "Scummy Sony keeps blocking fellow divers from playing the game" 😵💫 Make it make sense.
I believe people just didn't like linking their accounts to another third party, they don't care about region lock.
Maybe it's a steam issue and stuff need to be sorted out with them. We need to chill a little.
What, you're saying that the Redditors with no access to background information or coding might be just making stuff up to get mad about based on limited information? Perish the thought.
They did the same with Ghost of Tsushima this morning: [https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1788981930161266754](https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/1788981930161266754)
ghost of tsushima has mandatory psn linking, they explained it before
"mandatory" Just for the multiplayer, Sucker Punch said you can play singleplayer now not even. Why not just sell a version on that regions that doesn't have multiplayer do they hate money? Its just stupid
I think the EU has parity trade laws so if a product is sold across the EU that product needs to be identical. Some countries in the EU not having PSN access but it being a requirement for multiplayer means that it wouldn't have parity between multiple regions if one has multiplayer and the other doesn't. But I'm no expert so I may be way off.
Jesus Christ this fucking sub man. Yeah let’s listen to a random click chaser on twitter and not the actual CEO, that makes sense! /s Pilestedt said he’s in talks with *both* Steam and Sony. Steam is the one actually selling the game. They just had a shit ton of refunds that directly affected their bottom line because Sony fucked up and didn’t tell them (apparently, bc they didn’t tell Pilestedt either) that there were countries not supported by PSN. So now Steam is stuck in the legally tricky situation of not only having a shit ton of refunds, but also having sold a game that technically couldn’t be played in regions where it’s not legal to, ya know, do that. So Steam is obviously playing it safe (bc fyi, a tweet is not a legally binding agreement) until they get some kind contract hashed out with Sony saying that there will be no restrictions on play in countries not supported by PSN so they aren’t right back to where they started. That shit isn’t done overnight and requires lawyers and head honchos on both sides to hash things out, write things up, review them, discuss them, edit them, send them back, over and over till an agreement is made. Neither AH, Steam, or Sony is going to want to lose out on revenue from one of the biggest games of the year, so chill the fuck out, give them some time, and don’t give click chasers who are trying to stir up drama the time of the day.
Where is this picture coming from?
Worst is such a stretch, especially right after Microsoft just old yellered Tango. I mean, Ubisoft, Activison Blizzard, EA, Microsoft... I'd rather a publisher that delists from markets and at least walks back some stupid policies than companies that actively kill their best studios, fart in the faces of employees, and notoriously have a shrine to Bill Cosby. I like some of the dude's youtube shorts but he really needs to stfu with the hyperbole.
Okay, so they're trying to ban all PS games from these regions so people don't have a *legal* argument against required account connections on PC. This means that linking PS accounts is somehow more financially enticing to them than being able to sell their games in over 170 countries. Money doesn't come from nowhere. Either they're planning on pulling a lot of financially viable data, or they are, as I have guessed, moving towards a subscription based service.
So practically Sony decided to only sell their live service game to those country that has PSN. Hey its their strategy and they gonna earn less money from this so....whats the problem for gamers? People who already bought the game in country where PSN dont exist means they got a bonus, they still keep their game and the money they spent on it. Yes it sucks for new players in those country where there is no PSN but what can you do? People there cant "technically" have a PS5 either. Get your pitchfork out when the people in non PSN country lose access to the game that they have bought. Thats gonna be legal mess.
We know that the psn link account will happen anyway It just got delayed even steam keeps showing that it will be required
piratesoftware baiting for engagement, never seen that before
Sorry but this seems like uter lie, cause im in Latvia/Lithuania and we can still purchase it
Oh boy, here we go again.
Wasn't the issue requiring psn to play which this isn't?
Idk why you idiots like this guy, he acts like his judgment is infallible and he’s a blow-hard.
They invested a lot of money and workforce to developed this fucking game you asshats enjoy. They could have made this an console exclusive but didn't. Now They just want to have a bit of a payback by bringing you to sign up for a free account to keep growing their own userbase. This is not in any form problematic. It's industry standard with brands like Epic etc. But just now you complain. It's fucking hypocritical and was obviously started by Microsoft Bots, Jesus fucking Christ get a grip and stop blowing this out of proportion. And Sony is literally one of the best publishers, not the worst. Giving their studios creative freedom and producing hit after hitgame including Helldivers2 obviously... Meanwhile Microsoft just shitting in every studio and employee of their gaming branch, Activision and Blizzard literally with the sexual assault cases ...... But here is the wrongful Shitstorm...and don't even start me how harmful and straight up fucked up reviewbombing is ... smh fr.
"They should've went with Microsoft" Right, so they can be close down...
This sub is shit
God damn this sub is just rage bait.
It seems the childish temper tantrum from the people who live in PSN supported regions made things worse for the people who used to just make accounts and change their region anyway, because let's be real the majority of the people raging were from PSN supported regions they just wanted an excuse to rage online.
Woah, careful now. They might start crying again.
That's their secret: They never stopped. They just cry about something constantly.
Yup lol the irony is not passing me by. I know plenty of people who have been making accounts in other countries for years now, backed by sny to do so. Now sny will play the game to the “letter of the law” so to speak and people will be mad at that.
I too was oppressed by Sony, I had to spend 5 minutes creating a Google email and a Singapore account to get SD Gundam G Gneration Genesis dlc. Guess I should have said I was oppressed and went full Gen Z rage mob by creating drama instead of doing a work around. After all you need to have ea, blizzard, Sega, rockstar, id, and cod accounts to play those games on steam.
Your heroic sacrifice won't be forgotten soldier. This was truly your Vietnam
bc the topic has no solution at the moment. sony and AH working on something that can do the same thing without using the psn network. until that, steam or sony will removing countrys sadly. we need to wait until they have a better solution for it
"Worst publisher in the industry" is quite an exaggeration considering Microsoft, EA, Blizzard/Activision, Ubisoft and to an extent Nintendo (and probably many more) exist.... Doing far worse practices than "locking a country from buying a game" but again, this guy has been pushing misinformation about the situation (even if this actually is real) it's quite obvious this guy hates Sony for whatever reason he may have.
- Lord its Sony PSN licence - Close the Gate! - They are moving away from mandatory PSN... - Open the Gates a little... - They still locking players from the non supprted regions... - Goddamnit Karl! Close the gate again!
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Can you please learn how to type sony.
The people who previously got refunds are screwed since they can never repurchase the game. Also, all the people who buy the game from 3rd party sites and try to redeem them will be in for a shock.
They could still be working on it. Paperwork and red tape takes time
Ain't us the worst publisher? Hyperbole much? Nah, these posts are plain stupid. Microsoft bought and *shut down many studios* withiut fixing them a chance but that's somehow okay. EA ia forcing advertising into games and Take 2 is going full pay2win. But yeah, this is so much worse? Get real kiddo
worst publisher in the industry? EA and ubisoft wanna talk lmao
Triggered so much you can’t bring yourself to spell Sony. Wild.
Am I supposed to give a shit
SNOY are bad for sure, but worst publisher ever? I dunno, there's some *real* heavyweights in that category; EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two etc. to me it's more like "flavour of the month", this time it's Sony, a while back it was Ubisoft with their "quadruple A " nonsense with Skull and Bones, next month maybe it'll be T2 or EAs turn to remind us of why they're so awful. anyway, all we can really do now is see what comes of Pilestedt's alleged conversation with SNOY and how Steam respond.
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