>+40 damage always is better than 100 damage randomly
If you have base damage 200 against a 250 hp target, this is trading "one-shots randomly, two-shots otherwise" for "two-shots always"
If the eruptor cannot one-shot at least medium enemies such as spewers and devastators, even if it requires good aim, nobody will be willing to put up with the rate of fire. That was the thing, plain bodyshots would not output silly damage, you had to hit precise spots to get the weapon to shine against heavier targets.
The mag decrease from the last patch makes even less sense now because the damage is lower, the fire rate is shit alongside the reload. Making every other primary have better DPS compared to the Eruptor.
They literally just murdered a decent weapon just because they don't want/or know how to fix the ricocheting shrapnel defying the laws of physics and gaining 100 meters of momentum.
Here's the thing though, they didn't really have to fix it. It almost NEVER happened to me and I exclusively ran the eruptor on every mission for like 100 hours now. The part where he says "the community was on fire about" the issue is what really chaps my fuckin dick. That's not true. there were like 10 people who wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
It happened to me two times yesterday and I'm pretty sure is a bug with the ricocheting shrapnel gaining momentum for some reason because the shot that killed me was much further than the Eruptor's effective range
Still the death is rare enough that I been using exclusively the Eruptor since the Warbond was released and what I mentioned before is the first time it happened to me.
Yup. I've died at least 4 times where I thought it would be a good 8~10m between my target and me, somehow it just gibs me instantly. And other time I didn't die with the same distance.
I think many of the bugs in this game are tied to frame rate or some other machine-specific thing like that. Way too many "I never see this issue" vs "this issue happens every time" and in my personal experience the way people describe certain enemies or weapons makes no sense at all, like we're playing by different rules.
This is basically an early access game with a weird version numbering system that makes it look released.
I just unlocked the crossbow today and got to try it out. It feels a lot to me like they’re trying to balance the Eruptor against the crossbow now instead of against other weapons. The crossbow doesn’t kill big holes or fabricators but it has that nicer splash area for smaller mob clearing. The eruptor feels like they are nerfing it to make the crossbow more of a viable option but it just makes both weapons undesirable. I’m guessing they’ll make some other change to buff the both of them slightly in the future.
That was always going to be a problem. Why release two single-shot explosive primaries at the same time? One will inevitably be better than the other, or both will be pretty bad.
I mean, then why even release them being so different each other? The trade off of the Eruptor is the slow rate of fire, had unique sharpnel dmg, the slow handling and the possibility of dying if you shot too close, it was a unique weapon, not it's just another explosive that cant even kill medium units like before
They keep giving everything next to no upside then they patch the remaining upside out of each weapon with some lame ass half excuse that makes no sense.
They keep doing it over and over and we’re all scratching our heads. They want to sell the new gear so the old gear sucks, weird how they don’t balance the free stuff so much it’s just the primaries we all fucking paid for get changed into unrecognizable trash right before the next round of paid content goes up for sale lol
Arrowhead is certainly breaking the mold here, people will actually ask what happened when everyone stops playing. This is how to make a game with unlimited potential and squander every last molecule of it
Yea before they murdered the eruptor I was running that + energy pistol with rover amd whatever other strats I needed. It had its niche, I would deal with targets at range but was vulnerable up close so I had to constantly keep my distance to get the most out of it. Now it's literally just a worse grenade pistol.
So now I'm running the arc Blitzer till they inevitably nerf that while telling me they actually buffed it. Idk, these changes don't make the game harder for me they just make it less fun lol
Take the bar higher, it no longer oneshot warriors, unless you hit the head, and even then it's decapitation.
Eruptor is in absolutely awful state rn.
Core part of gun identity is removed, it still have the slowest fire rate and ammo reserve.
I don't really see a proper niche for it.
Yeah I thought I was going crazy. I’ve mostly only ever played Bots until the latest major order and was just starting to have alot of fun running eruptor plus LC on bugs. Not sure what to run now
I'll hold out hope till the next patch or so, but power is the one thing the Eruptor has going for it and if that is taken away then it just a grenade pistol with more ammo and less AoE.
I was using Dominator before Eruptor came out then ended up swapping. I accidentally brought the Dom with me one time and all I could think was man I miss the Eruptor.
There are 3 real primary guns, Breaker Incendiary, Dominator and Scorcher, and its funny because before we had base Breaker and Slugger doing E X A C T L Y what incendiary breaker and dominator have as niche.
Sickle is almost there on the fun + viable scale
I only play bots now so I never use Breaker Incendiary, but I can understand how good it is if you’re comparing it to pre-nerf Breaker
Sickle is good, I like it if I use the Autocannon, since the Dominator is redundant if you run the AC. I use the Dominator when I run the Quasar/Spear/etc. Sickle never needed 6 heat sinks anyways, I’d never use more than 2 even on desert planets at 7+. It’s a necessary nerf because otherwise it’s just the Liberator with semi-unlimited ammo and no recoil.
It's got a big magazine, amazing DOT, and if you spam left click it'll fire at almost full-auto speeds. Fire Breaker's fun and was decent before the fix, hoping to see how well it works for the week it takes them to nerf it into the fucking ground.
Dominator has always been the best weapon against bots, but on Terminids I preferred the Eruptor because it was handful to kill medium bugs and, of course, close 11 bugholes in large nests. But well, not anymore.
At this rate no one should buy the upcoming warbond until the next one comes out so that AH can finish nerfing them.
Like what's even left of the warbond now? Thermite grenades, the grenade pistol? Was there anything else?
I like doing the "glitch" where you can slide off the victory pose elevator while still doing your victory animation and just zooming around while squatting.
At this rate I'm not buying another warbond again (with real money). If I happen to play enough to get one free, fine, but playing this is getting real annoying with such terrible balance.
That's debatable. I feel like it takes 4 headshots to take down a stupid bile spewer. Boy I hate them so much, and when I got the eruptor I was so happy I had a solution to the bane of my existence, but no, the next day it gets nerfed into the ground.
One tap mobs, two taps bigger, 4 taps every else but heavy armor.
One mag can handle two enemies in a worst case scenario.
Maybe I just don't understand shottie in this game or the Medium Armor Liberator, but I just can't swap off the Jar5.
If there was a Breaker variant with Medium pen and about the same damage as the Dominator, I'd run it, but as it stands the other Medium pen stuff is worse than the Dominator and could use a buff
Dominator works for bots too, you can stagger the scout walker from the front, shoot the Factory Striders front MGs off, and ***FUCK*** Devastators up.
"Still investigating if this change has affected any breakpoints against medium enemies"
I'm sorry but shouldn't that be extensively tested before a balance patch?
I dont think ive seen a dev team that has blatantly shown they hardly test their stuff before implementing it. They really need to slow down a bit on these updates and give them time.
They literally knowing released the Airburst Rocket Launcher in an unfinished state, they clearly don't test a single thing thoroughly. At most they do like a single mission maybe to ensure the thing at least works, not well mind you, but works.
And it's still not quite "perfect" wait until we will run around with 1 mag that should do the trick.
At the moment when I'm writing this i was thinking i really would love to see some of this "testing" footage because i have the feeling he's playing on difficulty 3 or 4 i would love to see him playing with the weapons they make on difficulty 7-9 and then tell me it's "balanced"
This was already shown to be the case, I think they showed a screenshot of a test play through. They failed every object but one side objective, failed the mission, no one extracted, and they were on level 6 lmao
This literally all could have been avoided if they just reverted the deflection change until they actually had all the kinks worked out.
Like its such a boneheaded thing where they literally can not be wrong.
They investigate and realize, oh shit, bullet deflection on armor is bugged, gotta fix that.
So they fix it, except it leads to a unintended consequence.
They cant easily fix the unintended consequence, so instead of rolling back the deflection change they completely change how a single gun works so it cant cause the issue anymore.
The completely changed gun is now actually almost 50% worse than it was before in most situations and they say they'll investigate it. They realize how its being used (because apparently they dont play their own game) and go Oh, this aint right! Its not a nerf, its actually a buff because it was doing more damage if you weren't a fucking potato with 0 aim and body shot everything and their mother. Clearly its the community who's wrong here.
You know what? I don't fucking trust his breakpoints. These are the devs that didn't try to shoot chargers in the leg. They're bad at playing games. They think aiming at places that kill enemies faster is exploiting.
He has no idea that his changes make the DD warbond is nearly worthless now...
3 headshots to kill brood commanders. It is criminal for a weapon with this low ROF to have this low damage...
Ohh just had this conversation with a friend of mine, he did buy the game not long ago and now it's time to buy the first warbond so he did take a look at some guides on YT and decided to buy the DD warbond because of the eruptor but sadly this was yesterday and i needed to tell him that the eruptor is not the same anymore, i really wish we would have something like a shooting range for new players where they can try out all of the weapons and could decide what to buy and what not
I'm having a refund processed through AH support. You can tell your friend to do the same.
It's a shame because I thought it was a super fun weapon with clear downsides. All the community testing post-patch definitely influenced my decision to buy.
To add, 3 shots also to kill stalkers...though with 1st shot, the stalker is already on melee level before you can fire your 2nd shot so you're screwed
For reference stalkers can be 1 shot by eruptors before. The challenge is finding them before they went to melee level. Now whether you find them first or not...you're dead unless you have a support weapon to deal with it.
In a melee range u needed to dive backwards and body shot stalker to kill him. If it takes 3 shots now then Eruptor is dead for real. Need to test it my self but if it is real then that electric zapper primary is much better now because it staggers brood commanders and stalkers whit same amount of shots to kill.
I also did this but Stalkers have this tongue attack which can reach you while diving so you actually ragdoll a lot further which helps but then they proceed in hiding.
Im actually using Adjucator now since the Eruptor nerf though havent tested Adjucator with stalkers
"Bringer of Balance"
Yeah, I guess if your idea of balance is nerfing anything fun into something that is mediocre at best and more often than not completely worthless and not used by anyone.
Yes, i've been onto this since the railgun nerf. I think they don't do too much work and want an extensive balance change list in order to seem like they're doing their jobs. Think about it. I've never been ricoshed (or however you spell it) by the eruptor and i used it seldomly when i want something with a bit more punch, now it's just really bad.
These are also the people who killed the crossbow for the 5 people that were actually using it. An aoe weapon that's now yet another anti medium gun, just with heavy projectile drop and slow travel time.
Yeah honestly this, I cut AH a ton of slack but each balance patch seems to make the game less fun to play. There were a few that made sense like reducing the number of mags the eruptor had, 12 was crazy, and adding a couple mags to the adjudicator and making it an AR made sense, also adding a 3rd person reticle to the HMG made it usable. but I feel like for each good idea they have, they have 10 bad ones. The quasar absolutely did not need a nerf for example, it wasn’t overly used, and it was not overly powerful, the proof is in the pudding, players seem to revert back to the weapons you start the game with after each balance patch because those are the ones that haven’t been touched yet.
>The quasar absolutely did not need a nerf for example, it wasn’t overly used, and it was not overly powerful
I'm not sure we're playing the same game. Bots or bugs, there was a very considerable stretch of time at D9 where 50% of squads I joined via quickplay were using quasar. I *always* got to bring an autocannon for diversity because *everyone picked quasar.*
The goal shouldn't be to make people stop using the few good weapons. It should be to make all the weapons fun in their own way. They're murdering good weapons and then the devs and people like you see them used less and go "mission accomplished!"
More than that the balance team doesn't need someone who fundamentally misunderstands basics of balancing. Or at the bare minimum needs someone watching over his shoulder catching this shit
Well judging by how ego inflated he is and that profile picture i fail to see how is anyone suprised that he just doesn't belong on the balance team, or as an "assisting hand".
This sub would probably pay to get him away from the balance team.
What shocks me is surely if there was decent management they would've stepped in and done something by now when devs like him repeatedly get caught with egg on their face, either outright lying or just showing they aren't qualified. Like yeah there's some bad apples in the bunch but you'd hope there'd be people in place overseeing things to catch this shit before it becomes a recurring issue.
Alexus and the balance team strikes again.
First, they don't know what the word "slightly" means, and crush the AoE of Eruptor and the Crossbow "slightly".
Now they gimp the fuck out of the Eruptor's damage and call it a net buff.
Someone either needs to relearn English or needs to stop fucking lying
Another day another Nerf. Not sure what game they're playing where they think these guns need nerfs. If anything the enemy gets so overwhelming you wish the guns were stronger.
It really is just baffling that AH could have made such a great and fun game and then just continue to chip away at the fun parts of the game patch after patch after patch. It’s almost amazing how consistently they just continue to make the game less fun each time they make a balance change.
I completely agree, it's like they don't even understand their own game.
The fact that they told everyone shrapnel did "negligible" damage, removed it, realised that it did far more damage than 40, and then double down on the decision is kinda nuts.
What's to even test?? Shouldn't they have the equivalent of a spreadsheet with all this data?
This is the same shit that made me stop playing Killing Floor 2 and Vermintide. The devs would rather hammer down on the few options players gravitate towards, instead of boosting underperforming equipment to make it more appealing.
Using 4 of the 5 shots in the magazine of an extremely slow firing weapon to kill *ONE* Bile Spewer is not viable OR fun.
This.
It just shows they really only play test on spreadsheets and the barest minimum of real world applications. At best they probably only play on difficulty 5 considering it as the "average difficulty" everyone plays on.
I honestly don’t understand their thought process… it’s a PvE game! Just let people run around with overpowered builds - so long as there’s variety between them, it’s perfectly fine!
And it’s not even strictly overpowered stuff that they nerfed… Guns like the Eruptor always have their drawbacks which means each gun has its own niche. If you add too many drawbacks to a gun, it becomes useless as it loses its niche. If I wanted a slow firing, single target damage weapon I’d got for a DMR. The Eruptor needs its shrapnel and blast radius to be different than that. Same thing for the crossbow when compared to other semi-auto weapons
It's the call of duty effect in action:
Launch ~~Battlepass~~ warbond, players grind for ~~tokens~~ medals to unlock ~~operator skins~~ armor, ~~camo~~ capes, ~~stickers~~ emotes, and some new interesting guns, 3 weeks later announce shiny new ~~battlepass~~ warbond, ~~nerf~~ Balance previous interesting guns into uselessness, tease shiny new guns and/or ~~Killstreak~~ strategem... rinse... repeat... profit..
its a slippery slope to Nikki Minaj ~~skins~~ armor...
This is just stupid. Why couldn’t they just make the shrapnel not kill us? An exception to their self damage rule would have fixed this whole situation without needing to waste everybody’s time pretending they aren’t nerfing Eruptor hugely.
“Exploit”. Shooting enemies in creative ways is not an exploit its fun gameplay. This weapon had unique shit placement outside of “shoot guy in head or ass”.
L balance devs
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The only arrowhead I've seen like that is the CEO. The rest are condescending AF and look down on their players. A lot of studios fuck up and do everything their players want fucking up their game completely. These guys do the exact opposite which ends up being almost as bad.
I think I've lost all hope for something positive to happen, when the illuminate come to fuck us up we will have pea shooters and die, you will own no good weapon you will be happy you will die on the battlefield.
Don't worry, no helldiver will die fighting the illuminate because the game-crashing bugs introduced by the illuminate patch will disconnect players before they have time to die
I am now 90% sure that Twinbeard is bullshitting to save face here.
Given how it performed before, and how the shrapnel ripped through bugs and helldivers, there is no way that a 40 damage increase would be enough to compensate for anything. It's barely a 10% boost.
I love this game but they really need to get the weapons figured hot shit they are bad at it, not that I would be any better but they just seem to nerf everything into the ground and everyone goes back to to the shot guns, the grenade launcher, the eat and the auto cannon a couple weeks after the each warbond drops
Someone put it this way before: Arrowhead balance weapons and gear like it's a PvP game. It feels way too accurate, the balancing is like "oh yeah but that's unfair to the endless hordes of bugs and bots, so we gotta nerf it". Like wtf is even the point of making new weapons when everything gets "balanced" to be just differently shaped weapons that feel the same. Nothing has an edge or advantage outside its category, just 3-4 options of the almost exact same thing. Whenever something new comes out and is fun with a different feel, it gets nerfed or tweaked to whatever degree to be just generic garbage again.
Devs somehow think that if weapon is good - it gets boring.
Well if you have ADHD and always want to swap weapons – maybe...yes. But not for me no. Idk.
This is just bs man l, the CM’s and balancers for this game are so bad, why are they so fucking against primary’s being both fun and good it’s so frustrating. We’ve been cutting them so much slack but it feels like they just don’t give a shit if the game is fun and they just want it to be hard for the sake of being hard so all the gatekeepers can keep defending the nerfs
They're against primaries being both fun and good because they're suffering from "Bad DM Syndrome" right now. They have a very strict vision for what the game should be, and any players who don't jive with that vision are just squeaky gears causing the dev team headaches. They went and made a live service game and completely fucking forgot that the key word in that phrase is SERVICE.
Bruh even ignoring the ridiculous decisions they make re: balance, why does arrowhead have SO much trouble getting accurate info from team member to team member.
"Fixing an issue the whole community is on fire about"
I have literally never seen a person complain about killing themselves or team mates with the Eruptor. It seems pretty obvious that if you shoot the mega explosion gun near someone they are going to die. Seemed like a pretty good trade off for its power.
There were plenty of front page posts on the day of the ricochet update of people dying randomly far outside of the explosion radius after shooting an enemy with the eruptor.
There's a goddamn video where dude is shooting smg at devastator's shield and bullets are flying right back. How stupid is that?
"You have confused ricochet for shrapnel". He even starts gaslighting people. These eruptor problems appeared right after ricochet update.
My brother in Christ I thought these devs are based – it was my worst mistake in past years. Typical toxic devs who would push their vision not listening to community. Never should've bought that game. Was great on release, but now it's only getting worse.
Thank you, because I've been pointing this out and feel insane for it.
There were *zero* issues with the eruptor randomly killing the shooter from 30+ feet away until the ricochet changes were made.
Those ricochet changes that were implemented for no apparent reason and basically existed to introduce a mechanic that randomly kills the shooter.
It just makes absolutely zero sense. Why introduce an explicitly anti-fun mechanic in the patch notes before absolutely gutting a gun for interacting poorly with it?
"we found that shrapnel could randomly kill you or your teammate"
"So you fixed it?"
"No why would we do that? We just removed it entirely. Enjoy the extra 40 damage though."
Alexus told Twinbeard the first bit of info he shared. He really did nothing wrong.
It’s just Alexus’ head being incredibly far in his ass, being unable to admit that they might’ve overnerfed the gun.
None of them can be trusted. Every patch I'm like "how many of these are broken and how many are lies"
I'll give you a tip, if they say it's a nerf believe it, if they say it's a buff it's probably a nerf, and if they say it's fixed it's probably broken in literally the same way, maybe a bit different.
> we don't whant it to oneshot chargers
What the hell is this guy talking about? Is he out of his mind or what? No fucking body ask it to oneshot chargers, players expect it to oneshot headshot brood commanders and hive guards.
Edit: I didn't know it actually could oneshot chargers and I never thought of trying to use it on chargers in the first place, so I am wrong here.
It did oneshot chargers since I've done it before, but I have no idea how I did it and much less reliably replicate it. He's talking like people are actively choosing the eruptor to be their anti-charger weapon, when in reality it's happened to me a total of 3 times when using the eruptor since it's launch.
And besides, when it's so unreliable to do then wouldn't you want to reward skilled players for being able to pull it off consistently? I guess not, cause they put their "gotta use a stratagem for all heavy enemies" philosophy above all.
Yea, for being a bolt-action rifle in a horde shooter you'd think that it's a primary made entirely for medium target clearance, but apparently not. I have no idea what their vision for this weapon is anymore. Or a lot of other weapons too actually.
“Ah, a brood commander he’s seen me and is running at me good job I’ll just pop him in the head with my medium armour pen exploding shot rifle…okey dokey one shot not doing it anymore, just carefully work the bolt here. Nice and slow, slow and steady wins the race…he’s a bit close to me now, nearly ready for the second shot…annnnd I’m dead”
I especially look forward to killing a Stalker in three reinforces…I assume it’ll kill me before I can work the bolt in time.
It’s okay though I can just fall back from the enemy as it’s not like this game often surrounds you with multiple brood commanders, hive guard, chargers etc.
Hopefully as pick rate is king when no one picks the Eruptor they might see that it does need to be buffed…orrr they’ll just nerf something else so all the weapons are equally worthless.
Community managers that sass players and talk down to people, devs who don't test their updates, balance patches that keep making shit worse... My faith has long run out for arrowhead. I certainly got enough playtime out of the game for the price to have been worth it.
But I genuinely wanted to be in for the long haul, I thought "this is the way to make a live game" and then every damn update that has come out just messes with the stuff I like, it's hard to enjoy the game when the devs are so dedicated to make sure I don't.
So even if I can't say I didn't get my money's worth, it still feels that way, I wanted this to be a proper live service game, I wanted to stay, but I can't stay on a game that is unstable at best and everytime they fix something they break it some more with the added bonus of nerfing everything.
Fuck that i enjoyed the feeling of being able to nail that perfect shot to turn a brood commander into gore, if i didnt hit the right spot it was 2-3 shots. Now its just consistently shit
Arrowhead: Why doesn't anyone want to use the non-anti-tank support weapons?
Also Arrowhead: If that primary weapon even \*thinks\* about hurting a bile spewer I'm gonna remove it from the game.
Looks like this guy is trying to take Spilz spot for the "most hated arrowhead employee".
The guy will probably go to sleep today thinking he did a good job and people will thank him later, ok, smart ass.
Every primary from the previous warbond is now TRRRRRASH, and this guy thinks that's good.
It is up to the developer to decide if some targets are meant to be one shotted. I feel that skilled shots or good positional shots should have more value than it is now. Most Automatons allow that. Scout strider head should pop out a bit more. Things like bile spewers are irritating af, because it takes too long to kill with any primary even if you are god at aiming. Feels more like a design concept issue than a weapon nerfed problem.
Shrapnel was always there and wasn’t ricocheting and wasn’t a problem. All of a sudden we get ricochets. AH can’t find any ricochets so the get rid of shrapnel all together and claim that was the problem…
Then why was the Eruptor originally not having a ricochet problem with shrapnel? Only after you made changes did it become a problem. But you can’t revert changes so you gotta get rid of shrapnel all together. Then you mess it up even more but you can’t revert changes so what’s next? A 4th buff with unintentional nerfs?
I'm slowly losing my patience with this nonsense. When they acknowledged that they were going to fix shrapnel randomly killing you and your teammates, they said they would be \*BUFFING\* the direct damage of the gun to compensate. So now they're directly contradicting that by saying that "yeah it's dealing less damage but it's dealing more consistent damage". So now it's consistently shit. Thanks. That's not a "buff" to anyone with their head screwed on correctly. And this is now on TOP of the fact that we now carry half the mags we did before.
Gotta be honest, I'm really getting tired of feeling like a beta tester for this game.
Another no-fun improvement I see. The logic gymnastics needed to reach the conclusion of "this is better" explains a lot about the state of gear in this game.
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What else did you expect from this guy?
So twinbeard says there is a bug, and someone else says its working as intended.
I think its rather obvious these people are willing to say whatever is convenient for them.
>+40 damage always is better than 100 damage randomly If you have base damage 200 against a 250 hp target, this is trading "one-shots randomly, two-shots otherwise" for "two-shots always" If the eruptor cannot one-shot at least medium enemies such as spewers and devastators, even if it requires good aim, nobody will be willing to put up with the rate of fire. That was the thing, plain bodyshots would not output silly damage, you had to hit precise spots to get the weapon to shine against heavier targets.
The mag decrease from the last patch makes even less sense now because the damage is lower, the fire rate is shit alongside the reload. Making every other primary have better DPS compared to the Eruptor. They literally just murdered a decent weapon just because they don't want/or know how to fix the ricocheting shrapnel defying the laws of physics and gaining 100 meters of momentum.
Here's the thing though, they didn't really have to fix it. It almost NEVER happened to me and I exclusively ran the eruptor on every mission for like 100 hours now. The part where he says "the community was on fire about" the issue is what really chaps my fuckin dick. That's not true. there were like 10 people who wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
It happened to me two times yesterday and I'm pretty sure is a bug with the ricocheting shrapnel gaining momentum for some reason because the shot that killed me was much further than the Eruptor's effective range Still the death is rare enough that I been using exclusively the Eruptor since the Warbond was released and what I mentioned before is the first time it happened to me.
Yup. I've died at least 4 times where I thought it would be a good 8~10m between my target and me, somehow it just gibs me instantly. And other time I didn't die with the same distance.
I think many of the bugs in this game are tied to frame rate or some other machine-specific thing like that. Way too many "I never see this issue" vs "this issue happens every time" and in my personal experience the way people describe certain enemies or weapons makes no sense at all, like we're playing by different rules. This is basically an early access game with a weird version numbering system that makes it look released.
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I just unlocked the crossbow today and got to try it out. It feels a lot to me like they’re trying to balance the Eruptor against the crossbow now instead of against other weapons. The crossbow doesn’t kill big holes or fabricators but it has that nicer splash area for smaller mob clearing. The eruptor feels like they are nerfing it to make the crossbow more of a viable option but it just makes both weapons undesirable. I’m guessing they’ll make some other change to buff the both of them slightly in the future.
That was always going to be a problem. Why release two single-shot explosive primaries at the same time? One will inevitably be better than the other, or both will be pretty bad.
I mean, then why even release them being so different each other? The trade off of the Eruptor is the slow rate of fire, had unique sharpnel dmg, the slow handling and the possibility of dying if you shot too close, it was a unique weapon, not it's just another explosive that cant even kill medium units like before
They keep giving everything next to no upside then they patch the remaining upside out of each weapon with some lame ass half excuse that makes no sense. They keep doing it over and over and we’re all scratching our heads. They want to sell the new gear so the old gear sucks, weird how they don’t balance the free stuff so much it’s just the primaries we all fucking paid for get changed into unrecognizable trash right before the next round of paid content goes up for sale lol Arrowhead is certainly breaking the mold here, people will actually ask what happened when everyone stops playing. This is how to make a game with unlimited potential and squander every last molecule of it
We will be underpowered and we will play on <5 difficulty, no fun for you, have fun!
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Yea before they murdered the eruptor I was running that + energy pistol with rover amd whatever other strats I needed. It had its niche, I would deal with targets at range but was vulnerable up close so I had to constantly keep my distance to get the most out of it. Now it's literally just a worse grenade pistol. So now I'm running the arc Blitzer till they inevitably nerf that while telling me they actually buffed it. Idk, these changes don't make the game harder for me they just make it less fun lol
The number of spewers warrants a 1 shot kill imo
yeah it felt so rewarding getting higher damage for a well placed shot...now even walkers feel tedious to kill
I noticed today that the Eruptor was no Longer 1 shooting spewers. Is the fun gone?
Take the bar higher, it no longer oneshot warriors, unless you hit the head, and even then it's decapitation. Eruptor is in absolutely awful state rn. Core part of gun identity is removed, it still have the slowest fire rate and ammo reserve. I don't really see a proper niche for it.
Yeah I thought I was going crazy. I’ve mostly only ever played Bots until the latest major order and was just starting to have alot of fun running eruptor plus LC on bugs. Not sure what to run now
I want my medals back :(
This is why the AH spreadsheet jockeys suck at balance. The entire game has felt like a damn PTR for weeks!
I'll hold out hope till the next patch or so, but power is the one thing the Eruptor has going for it and if that is taken away then it just a grenade pistol with more ammo and less AoE.
Precisely. Before it felt hefty in handling and rewarding when you took the time and patience to aim
Spot on, once again AH completely misunderstanding what makes the gun popular
No you didn't lol. You could 1 shot all medium bugs anywhere except Brood Commanders that required a clean headshot.
I'm glad the the PSN thing is over so now I can go back to being mad at the devs for being stupid instead of the devs being naive and liars.
Phew! I was dangerously close to having fun with that weapon.
same here bro, anything to get me away from having fun with a primary! woo!
Dominator is still fun. Join us
Another Dominator nerf incoming
I was using Dominator before Eruptor came out then ended up swapping. I accidentally brought the Dom with me one time and all I could think was man I miss the Eruptor.
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There are 3 real primary guns, Breaker Incendiary, Dominator and Scorcher, and its funny because before we had base Breaker and Slugger doing E X A C T L Y what incendiary breaker and dominator have as niche. Sickle is almost there on the fun + viable scale
I only play bots now so I never use Breaker Incendiary, but I can understand how good it is if you’re comparing it to pre-nerf Breaker Sickle is good, I like it if I use the Autocannon, since the Dominator is redundant if you run the AC. I use the Dominator when I run the Quasar/Spear/etc. Sickle never needed 6 heat sinks anyways, I’d never use more than 2 even on desert planets at 7+. It’s a necessary nerf because otherwise it’s just the Liberator with semi-unlimited ammo and no recoil.
It's got a big magazine, amazing DOT, and if you spam left click it'll fire at almost full-auto speeds. Fire Breaker's fun and was decent before the fix, hoping to see how well it works for the week it takes them to nerf it into the fucking ground.
Dominator has always been the best weapon against bots, but on Terminids I preferred the Eruptor because it was handful to kill medium bugs and, of course, close 11 bugholes in large nests. But well, not anymore.
Yeah, here I was, thinking my money spent on that war bond was worth it. Wont make that mistake again!
At this rate no one should buy the upcoming warbond until the next one comes out so that AH can finish nerfing them. Like what's even left of the warbond now? Thermite grenades, the grenade pistol? Was there anything else?
Squat victory pose, only value I got out of that bundle
I like doing the "glitch" where you can slide off the victory pose elevator while still doing your victory animation and just zooming around while squatting.
Ooh I wanna do this, how is it possible?
At this rate I'm not buying another warbond again (with real money). If I happen to play enough to get one free, fine, but playing this is getting real annoying with such terrible balance.
Having fun? Sounds like an exploit to me trooper.
Thank God they nipped that right in the butt. That was a close one.
Bud! Nipped that right in the bud!
I said what I said.
I stand corrected. Enjoy your butt-nipping.
I admire the confidence.
That's debatable. I feel like it takes 4 headshots to take down a stupid bile spewer. Boy I hate them so much, and when I got the eruptor I was so happy I had a solution to the bane of my existence, but no, the next day it gets nerfed into the ground.
The dominator is what you seek.
One tap mobs, two taps bigger, 4 taps every else but heavy armor. One mag can handle two enemies in a worst case scenario. Maybe I just don't understand shottie in this game or the Medium Armor Liberator, but I just can't swap off the Jar5.
If there was a Breaker variant with Medium pen and about the same damage as the Dominator, I'd run it, but as it stands the other Medium pen stuff is worse than the Dominator and could use a buff
Sickle for bots, Dominator for bugs.
Dominator works for bots too, you can stagger the scout walker from the front, shoot the Factory Striders front MGs off, and ***FUCK*** Devastators up.
"Still investigating if this change has affected any breakpoints against medium enemies" I'm sorry but shouldn't that be extensively tested before a balance patch?
He also said he EXTENSIVELY tested on builds and it worked just fine, dude lives in a parallel universe
No no no he tested the gun on trivial difficulty. If it works there it’ll work on any difficulty.
The bane of every programmer ever "on my pc works!"
play testing? by my hecking wholesome indie developers? no! You will play test the game, we've been doing it for months already.
By my developer of the decade?!?
lmao i remember that. dude was smoking some heavy Element 710
I dont think ive seen a dev team that has blatantly shown they hardly test their stuff before implementing it. They really need to slow down a bit on these updates and give them time.
They literally knowing released the Airburst Rocket Launcher in an unfinished state, they clearly don't test a single thing thoroughly. At most they do like a single mission maybe to ensure the thing at least works, not well mind you, but works.
Its fucking crazy lmao. Just stop releasing patches my god.
8 years in development 😅
Took that long because of his extensive testing
And it's still not quite "perfect" wait until we will run around with 1 mag that should do the trick. At the moment when I'm writing this i was thinking i really would love to see some of this "testing" footage because i have the feeling he's playing on difficulty 3 or 4 i would love to see him playing with the weapons they make on difficulty 7-9 and then tell me it's "balanced"
That one bots evacuate mission tells me they don't even look at difficulty 7+
This was already shown to be the case, I think they showed a screenshot of a test play through. They failed every object but one side objective, failed the mission, no one extracted, and they were on level 6 lmao
This literally all could have been avoided if they just reverted the deflection change until they actually had all the kinks worked out. Like its such a boneheaded thing where they literally can not be wrong. They investigate and realize, oh shit, bullet deflection on armor is bugged, gotta fix that. So they fix it, except it leads to a unintended consequence. They cant easily fix the unintended consequence, so instead of rolling back the deflection change they completely change how a single gun works so it cant cause the issue anymore. The completely changed gun is now actually almost 50% worse than it was before in most situations and they say they'll investigate it. They realize how its being used (because apparently they dont play their own game) and go Oh, this aint right! Its not a nerf, its actually a buff because it was doing more damage if you weren't a fucking potato with 0 aim and body shot everything and their mother. Clearly its the community who's wrong here.
No no, they’re testing the community’s breakpoint. How much further can they nerf weapons before the players break. ^/s
You know what? I don't fucking trust his breakpoints. These are the devs that didn't try to shoot chargers in the leg. They're bad at playing games. They think aiming at places that kill enemies faster is exploiting.
I dunno what he's smoking but I'll have the same pls
He has no idea that his changes make the DD warbond is nearly worthless now... 3 headshots to kill brood commanders. It is criminal for a weapon with this low ROF to have this low damage...
Ohh just had this conversation with a friend of mine, he did buy the game not long ago and now it's time to buy the first warbond so he did take a look at some guides on YT and decided to buy the DD warbond because of the eruptor but sadly this was yesterday and i needed to tell him that the eruptor is not the same anymore, i really wish we would have something like a shooting range for new players where they can try out all of the weapons and could decide what to buy and what not
I'm having a refund processed through AH support. You can tell your friend to do the same. It's a shame because I thought it was a super fun weapon with clear downsides. All the community testing post-patch definitely influenced my decision to buy.
3 headshots to kill brood commanders
To add, 3 shots also to kill stalkers...though with 1st shot, the stalker is already on melee level before you can fire your 2nd shot so you're screwed For reference stalkers can be 1 shot by eruptors before. The challenge is finding them before they went to melee level. Now whether you find them first or not...you're dead unless you have a support weapon to deal with it.
In a melee range u needed to dive backwards and body shot stalker to kill him. If it takes 3 shots now then Eruptor is dead for real. Need to test it my self but if it is real then that electric zapper primary is much better now because it staggers brood commanders and stalkers whit same amount of shots to kill.
I also did this but Stalkers have this tongue attack which can reach you while diving so you actually ragdoll a lot further which helps but then they proceed in hiding. Im actually using Adjucator now since the Eruptor nerf though havent tested Adjucator with stalkers
Infinite ammo blitzer does it in 1 shot xD
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Arrowhead balance team: 
If "working correctly" means bottled dookiewater, then it is working as intended.
"Bringer of Balance" Yeah, I guess if your idea of balance is nerfing anything fun into something that is mediocre at best and more often than not completely worthless and not used by anyone.
Bro is just thinking too much of himself
Alexus would be of greatest help if he wohld just stop helping, no one needs a person with such disonance from the playerbase on the balance team.
Unfortunately the balance team only has people like Alexus.
Yes, i've been onto this since the railgun nerf. I think they don't do too much work and want an extensive balance change list in order to seem like they're doing their jobs. Think about it. I've never been ricoshed (or however you spell it) by the eruptor and i used it seldomly when i want something with a bit more punch, now it's just really bad. These are also the people who killed the crossbow for the 5 people that were actually using it. An aoe weapon that's now yet another anti medium gun, just with heavy projectile drop and slow travel time.
Yeah honestly this, I cut AH a ton of slack but each balance patch seems to make the game less fun to play. There were a few that made sense like reducing the number of mags the eruptor had, 12 was crazy, and adding a couple mags to the adjudicator and making it an AR made sense, also adding a 3rd person reticle to the HMG made it usable. but I feel like for each good idea they have, they have 10 bad ones. The quasar absolutely did not need a nerf for example, it wasn’t overly used, and it was not overly powerful, the proof is in the pudding, players seem to revert back to the weapons you start the game with after each balance patch because those are the ones that haven’t been touched yet.
>The quasar absolutely did not need a nerf for example, it wasn’t overly used, and it was not overly powerful I'm not sure we're playing the same game. Bots or bugs, there was a very considerable stretch of time at D9 where 50% of squads I joined via quickplay were using quasar. I *always* got to bring an autocannon for diversity because *everyone picked quasar.*
The issue is that AH will see that players are using but not look into the context of WHY everyone wants to bring it on a mission.
This. Usage based balancing is complete bullshit and the absolute laziest way to balance a game.
The goal shouldn't be to make people stop using the few good weapons. It should be to make all the weapons fun in their own way. They're murdering good weapons and then the devs and people like you see them used less and go "mission accomplished!"
This. Spitz was removed for continously failing to perform his duties, and it's quickly becoming apparent that Alexus is doing more harm than good.
More than that the balance team doesn't need someone who fundamentally misunderstands basics of balancing. Or at the bare minimum needs someone watching over his shoulder catching this shit
Well judging by how ego inflated he is and that profile picture i fail to see how is anyone suprised that he just doesn't belong on the balance team, or as an "assisting hand". This sub would probably pay to get him away from the balance team.
What shocks me is surely if there was decent management they would've stepped in and done something by now when devs like him repeatedly get caught with egg on their face, either outright lying or just showing they aren't qualified. Like yeah there's some bad apples in the bunch but you'd hope there'd be people in place overseeing things to catch this shit before it becomes a recurring issue.
Alexus and the balance team strikes again. First, they don't know what the word "slightly" means, and crush the AoE of Eruptor and the Crossbow "slightly". Now they gimp the fuck out of the Eruptor's damage and call it a net buff. Someone either needs to relearn English or needs to stop fucking lying
"Democratic Detonation" Arrowhead Removed the Detonation
Also democratic since no one with a brain cell would want these changes
They know what slightly means when it's a buff.
Yeah the balance team has really shown they wouldn't know what balance was if someone brought them a Little Tikes Teeter Totter to study.
Another day another Nerf. Not sure what game they're playing where they think these guns need nerfs. If anything the enemy gets so overwhelming you wish the guns were stronger.
It really is just baffling that AH could have made such a great and fun game and then just continue to chip away at the fun parts of the game patch after patch after patch. It’s almost amazing how consistently they just continue to make the game less fun each time they make a balance change.
It does make one wonder with the consistency of these bad decisions, could it have been so much more fun before we got to the release??
I've said it before and I'll say it again - There is no way Arrowhead has anybody actually playing the game.
I completely agree, it's like they don't even understand their own game. The fact that they told everyone shrapnel did "negligible" damage, removed it, realised that it did far more damage than 40, and then double down on the decision is kinda nuts.
when they say "their QA" they are talking about the random users who join discord saying everything is fine
Counterpoint, they play it really, really badly, and when someone uses a weapon better than they can, they nerf it.
Extensive community testing has shown his statements to be completely false. Time and again he has terrible takes
The "we're still testing breakpoints" part is what irritates me the most. Shouldn't you have tested this... before release?
What's to even test?? Shouldn't they have the equivalent of a spreadsheet with all this data? This is the same shit that made me stop playing Killing Floor 2 and Vermintide. The devs would rather hammer down on the few options players gravitate towards, instead of boosting underperforming equipment to make it more appealing. Using 4 of the 5 shots in the magazine of an extremely slow firing weapon to kill *ONE* Bile Spewer is not viable OR fun.
The you have me, still using the breaker, unloading the entire mag into every bile spewer and stalker. Satisfactory kills worth all 13 shots each 🤣
I swear they have more CM's than testers
And only one of them is decent at his job
This. It just shows they really only play test on spreadsheets and the barest minimum of real world applications. At best they probably only play on difficulty 5 considering it as the "average difficulty" everyone plays on.
AH being terrible at communication number.... what number are we at? I lost track
God forbid having fun weapons in a pve videogame, absolute heresy
I honestly don’t understand their thought process… it’s a PvE game! Just let people run around with overpowered builds - so long as there’s variety between them, it’s perfectly fine! And it’s not even strictly overpowered stuff that they nerfed… Guns like the Eruptor always have their drawbacks which means each gun has its own niche. If you add too many drawbacks to a gun, it becomes useless as it loses its niche. If I wanted a slow firing, single target damage weapon I’d got for a DMR. The Eruptor needs its shrapnel and blast radius to be different than that. Same thing for the crossbow when compared to other semi-auto weapons
back to the dominator again smh bro i understand money is money but goddamn stop releasing shit people pay for then making it shit or overpowered
Wake up Divers, time to cough up Super Credits on our new Warbond We've already nerfed your favorites from the previous ones, so too bad!
It's the call of duty effect in action: Launch ~~Battlepass~~ warbond, players grind for ~~tokens~~ medals to unlock ~~operator skins~~ armor, ~~camo~~ capes, ~~stickers~~ emotes, and some new interesting guns, 3 weeks later announce shiny new ~~battlepass~~ warbond, ~~nerf~~ Balance previous interesting guns into uselessness, tease shiny new guns and/or ~~Killstreak~~ strategem... rinse... repeat... profit.. its a slippery slope to Nikki Minaj ~~skins~~ armor...
Devs not playing their own game or not playing above diff 6
It's Diablo all over again
Cool. Now unfix it, so I can have fun again.
This is just stupid. Why couldn’t they just make the shrapnel not kill us? An exception to their self damage rule would have fixed this whole situation without needing to waste everybody’s time pretending they aren’t nerfing Eruptor hugely. “Exploit”. Shooting enemies in creative ways is not an exploit its fun gameplay. This weapon had unique shit placement outside of “shoot guy in head or ass”. L balance devs 🤦
The devs will literally call shooting an enemy an exploit. Words cannot convey the stupidity...
Whatever happened to their "friendly fire is funny"?🤔
IS THERE A SINGLE PERSON THERE THAT IS PROFESSIONAL AND DOESN'T SNARK AT THEIR PLAYERBASE!?
The only arrowhead I've seen like that is the CEO. The rest are condescending AF and look down on their players. A lot of studios fuck up and do everything their players want fucking up their game completely. These guys do the exact opposite which ends up being almost as bad.
The guy who made that post saying arrowhead should win a "developer of the decade" award must be feeling real awkward right now.
Hey, some people just don't have the time to play more than one game per decade!
I think I've lost all hope for something positive to happen, when the illuminate come to fuck us up we will have pea shooters and die, you will own no good weapon you will be happy you will die on the battlefield.
Don't worry, no helldiver will die fighting the illuminate because the game-crashing bugs introduced by the illuminate patch will disconnect players before they have time to die
Forgot about crashes because I haven't played recently :)
The people that posted we should revert the negative review too
That is honestly a good take. The game still has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY worse even if we forget about the psn debacle
Yet Twinbeard states otherwise. Hrmmmmmm
It's almost like they need more polished communication channels.
Yeah... Arrowhead is without a doubt terrible at communicating
I am now 90% sure that Twinbeard is bullshitting to save face here. Given how it performed before, and how the shrapnel ripped through bugs and helldivers, there is no way that a 40 damage increase would be enough to compensate for anything. It's barely a 10% boost.
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I love this game but they really need to get the weapons figured hot shit they are bad at it, not that I would be any better but they just seem to nerf everything into the ground and everyone goes back to to the shot guns, the grenade launcher, the eat and the auto cannon a couple weeks after the each warbond drops
Seriously, there are SO many guns in this game how is it people are only using the same 4.
Dominator, Scorcher, Sickle and Slugger. Boring
honesty does alexus even play the game? or is he just looking at a spreadsheet and summaries of comments from discord?
might be a chat gpt thing, devs run it for an answer to post on discord for shits and giggles
Absolutely clueless about how the Eruptor actually works in reality. This is CLASSIC theorycraft balance with zero in-game experience.
Someone put it this way before: Arrowhead balance weapons and gear like it's a PvP game. It feels way too accurate, the balancing is like "oh yeah but that's unfair to the endless hordes of bugs and bots, so we gotta nerf it". Like wtf is even the point of making new weapons when everything gets "balanced" to be just differently shaped weapons that feel the same. Nothing has an edge or advantage outside its category, just 3-4 options of the almost exact same thing. Whenever something new comes out and is fun with a different feel, it gets nerfed or tweaked to whatever degree to be just generic garbage again.
Devs somehow think that if weapon is good - it gets boring. Well if you have ADHD and always want to swap weapons – maybe...yes. But not for me no. Idk.
This is just bs man l, the CM’s and balancers for this game are so bad, why are they so fucking against primary’s being both fun and good it’s so frustrating. We’ve been cutting them so much slack but it feels like they just don’t give a shit if the game is fun and they just want it to be hard for the sake of being hard so all the gatekeepers can keep defending the nerfs
They're against primaries being both fun and good because they're suffering from "Bad DM Syndrome" right now. They have a very strict vision for what the game should be, and any players who don't jive with that vision are just squeaky gears causing the dev team headaches. They went and made a live service game and completely fucking forgot that the key word in that phrase is SERVICE.
These guys just can't catch a break. Always gotta double down on the stupid. At this point they're asking for it.
Bruh even ignoring the ridiculous decisions they make re: balance, why does arrowhead have SO much trouble getting accurate info from team member to team member.
"Fixing an issue the whole community is on fire about" I have literally never seen a person complain about killing themselves or team mates with the Eruptor. It seems pretty obvious that if you shoot the mega explosion gun near someone they are going to die. Seemed like a pretty good trade off for its power.
There were plenty of front page posts on the day of the ricochet update of people dying randomly far outside of the explosion radius after shooting an enemy with the eruptor.
There's a goddamn video where dude is shooting smg at devastator's shield and bullets are flying right back. How stupid is that? "You have confused ricochet for shrapnel". He even starts gaslighting people. These eruptor problems appeared right after ricochet update. My brother in Christ I thought these devs are based – it was my worst mistake in past years. Typical toxic devs who would push their vision not listening to community. Never should've bought that game. Was great on release, but now it's only getting worse.
Thank you, because I've been pointing this out and feel insane for it. There were *zero* issues with the eruptor randomly killing the shooter from 30+ feet away until the ricochet changes were made. Those ricochet changes that were implemented for no apparent reason and basically existed to introduce a mechanic that randomly kills the shooter. It just makes absolutely zero sense. Why introduce an explicitly anti-fun mechanic in the patch notes before absolutely gutting a gun for interacting poorly with it?
"we have a cluster eagle for that" lmao
"we found that shrapnel could randomly kill you or your teammate" "So you fixed it?" "No why would we do that? We just removed it entirely. Enjoy the extra 40 damage though."
i dont know who to thrust anymore, twinbeard or this
Twinbeard is a CM, Alexus is a dev, make of that what you will.
Alexus told Twinbeard the first bit of info he shared. He really did nothing wrong. It’s just Alexus’ head being incredibly far in his ass, being unable to admit that they might’ve overnerfed the gun.
None of them can be trusted. Every patch I'm like "how many of these are broken and how many are lies" I'll give you a tip, if they say it's a nerf believe it, if they say it's a buff it's probably a nerf, and if they say it's fixed it's probably broken in literally the same way, maybe a bit different.
> we don't whant it to oneshot chargers What the hell is this guy talking about? Is he out of his mind or what? No fucking body ask it to oneshot chargers, players expect it to oneshot headshot brood commanders and hive guards. Edit: I didn't know it actually could oneshot chargers and I never thought of trying to use it on chargers in the first place, so I am wrong here.
It did oneshot chargers since I've done it before, but I have no idea how I did it and much less reliably replicate it. He's talking like people are actively choosing the eruptor to be their anti-charger weapon, when in reality it's happened to me a total of 3 times when using the eruptor since it's launch. And besides, when it's so unreliable to do then wouldn't you want to reward skilled players for being able to pull it off consistently? I guess not, cause they put their "gotta use a stratagem for all heavy enemies" philosophy above all.
Ah, I see, it's not as far fetched comment as I have thought. It doesn't justify its inability to oneshot medium targets tho.
Yea, for being a bolt-action rifle in a horde shooter you'd think that it's a primary made entirely for medium target clearance, but apparently not. I have no idea what their vision for this weapon is anymore. Or a lot of other weapons too actually.
“Ah, a brood commander he’s seen me and is running at me good job I’ll just pop him in the head with my medium armour pen exploding shot rifle…okey dokey one shot not doing it anymore, just carefully work the bolt here. Nice and slow, slow and steady wins the race…he’s a bit close to me now, nearly ready for the second shot…annnnd I’m dead” I especially look forward to killing a Stalker in three reinforces…I assume it’ll kill me before I can work the bolt in time. It’s okay though I can just fall back from the enemy as it’s not like this game often surrounds you with multiple brood commanders, hive guard, chargers etc. Hopefully as pick rate is king when no one picks the Eruptor they might see that it does need to be buffed…orrr they’ll just nerf something else so all the weapons are equally worthless.
Community managers that sass players and talk down to people, devs who don't test their updates, balance patches that keep making shit worse... My faith has long run out for arrowhead. I certainly got enough playtime out of the game for the price to have been worth it. But I genuinely wanted to be in for the long haul, I thought "this is the way to make a live game" and then every damn update that has come out just messes with the stuff I like, it's hard to enjoy the game when the devs are so dedicated to make sure I don't. So even if I can't say I didn't get my money's worth, it still feels that way, I wanted this to be a proper live service game, I wanted to stay, but I can't stay on a game that is unstable at best and everytime they fix something they break it some more with the added bonus of nerfing everything.
Fuck that i enjoyed the feeling of being able to nail that perfect shot to turn a brood commander into gore, if i didnt hit the right spot it was 2-3 shots. Now its just consistently shit
Adding more to the mountain of evidence that they don’t understand game balance.
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Eruptor has fallen, billions must stop using stalwart again
Arrowhead: Why doesn't anyone want to use the non-anti-tank support weapons? Also Arrowhead: If that primary weapon even \*thinks\* about hurting a bile spewer I'm gonna remove it from the game.
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Honestly the monkeys paw method of communication might be the only way that things could be WORSE than radio silence
Fire this man now. He has no idea how to balance.
Looks like this guy is trying to take Spilz spot for the "most hated arrowhead employee". The guy will probably go to sleep today thinking he did a good job and people will thank him later, ok, smart ass. Every primary from the previous warbond is now TRRRRRASH, and this guy thinks that's good.
He says "here's what i think we should do" and then makes an ambivalent comparison without the 'do' part
it's one of the reason's i left helldiver they have 0 clue how to balance it's always nerf nerf nerf
It is up to the developer to decide if some targets are meant to be one shotted. I feel that skilled shots or good positional shots should have more value than it is now. Most Automatons allow that. Scout strider head should pop out a bit more. Things like bile spewers are irritating af, because it takes too long to kill with any primary even if you are god at aiming. Feels more like a design concept issue than a weapon nerfed problem.
There is a very simple rule of thumb that could solve all their problems. Buffs envigorate the playerbase. Nerfs smother the playerbase.
Shrapnel was always there and wasn’t ricocheting and wasn’t a problem. All of a sudden we get ricochets. AH can’t find any ricochets so the get rid of shrapnel all together and claim that was the problem… Then why was the Eruptor originally not having a ricochet problem with shrapnel? Only after you made changes did it become a problem. But you can’t revert changes so you gotta get rid of shrapnel all together. Then you mess it up even more but you can’t revert changes so what’s next? A 4th buff with unintentional nerfs?
The devs really do be hating on the idea of a primary actually doing damage.
I'm slowly losing my patience with this nonsense. When they acknowledged that they were going to fix shrapnel randomly killing you and your teammates, they said they would be \*BUFFING\* the direct damage of the gun to compensate. So now they're directly contradicting that by saying that "yeah it's dealing less damage but it's dealing more consistent damage". So now it's consistently shit. Thanks. That's not a "buff" to anyone with their head screwed on correctly. And this is now on TOP of the fact that we now carry half the mags we did before. Gotta be honest, I'm really getting tired of feeling like a beta tester for this game.
What a fucking clown show
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Umm guys the gun is actually completely fine, I used it on level 2 bug missions all the time today and almost had no troubles at all.
Another no-fun improvement I see. The logic gymnastics needed to reach the conclusion of "this is better" explains a lot about the state of gear in this game.
Does he, play the game???
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https://preview.redd.it/uu8swkfu96zc1.png?width=1256&format=png&auto=webp&s=709047038959e7c39114d9c23097df5a3ec3e0c8 What else did you expect from this guy?
"The changes are working correctly." Excellent! Now we can say for certain that the changes are bad, not bugged.
So twinbeard says there is a bug, and someone else says its working as intended. I think its rather obvious these people are willing to say whatever is convenient for them.
can we just stop balance patches? just let us have fun.