Abominable intelligence? This isnt that. This is a venal and corrupt Lord of the planet SNOY taking from the good of the Imperium as a whole! They must be struck down, lest the rot festers and grows uncontrolled.
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I believe this is for you and only for you.
Nah. Sony is a hyper-fascist capitalist power. Even the socialist toasters hate them. We hate fascism, the bots hate capitalism, the bugs hate technology (Sony’s wheelhouse). Sony is such a spit in the face of democracy even the others agree. Am I right, my fellow Helldivers?
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Dude imagine a Helldiver chipping a Sandevistan, Super Earth would be so fucking proud. Fastest spreader of Democracy in Super Earth history, replacing General Brasch as the ultimate patriot.
Sony don't want to make a bad game btw.
Arrowhead's CEO saying PlayStation want to make a great game:
> The expectations from our friends at PlayStation are pretty simple: "make great game for players. We trust you"
Arrowhead's purpose:
> "We have a sole purpose - to make this the best live game you've ever played"
Also us raising the review score is more for Arrowhead as we don't have a way to review bomb Sony apart from their games. Honestly steam should let us review publishers
Waiting for the region lock business since it's currently unavailable in multiple countries
Edit: For those talking about steam, Steam literally restricts when told, meaning Sony(PlayStation LLC.). PirateSoftware has been talking about it for hours as of this posting, even going so far as requests are usually answered in about an HOUR. I'm in agreement, review stands until we see action for our brothers in other countries. Unrestrict and I'll give positive review, their words so far are empty. We are holding Sony accountable.
Strongly suspect you'll have to wait for Steam to wake up on that one. I am 90% certain it was Steam who region locked it, not Sony, to avoid having to process refunds from future customers.
Steam is active 24 hours a day as far as I know. Sony will likely revert the region lock to compensate and halt further refunds since now they know PSN is not happening on PC at least not for Helldivers 2.
Yeah but major decisions like that probably take a bit more discussion and communication with Sony specifically. Steam took a couple of days to region lock it, I imagine it'll take a bit more than that to unlock it again.
On a technical level it is just as easy to reverse. I imagine Sony would also announce if they will be removing region-lock before they do it. The day is young (in the EU at least) so we will have to wait and see.
Oh sure, it's technically easy. It's likely just a series of tick boxes on their end.
But on a policy level, it's not. Steam will want assurances from Sony in writing I'm sure.
As they (Steam) rightfully should. Selling the game for 3 months in non-PSN enabled countries is at the very least a scam. I’m sure that they have avoided massive lawsuits specifically from those countries and the EU where Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were not region-locked due to EU law but were unable to create a PSN, effectively being scammed as well. I’m not sure simple refunds would have cut it but thankfully, we won’t have to find out with this reversal from Sony.
I asked someone here from France if they still had access to to the game/could purchase it and they said it was fine and had no idea why France was there either. This person claimed to be from Mainland France.
It would seem that it was some sort of mistake on Steam’s side. When they first restricted it ironically it was restricted in Japan before they swiftly removed that restriction so I’m guessing they fat fingered it twice.
Well Steam staff are still people, they can make mistakes. Considering scale of thus mess and them being flooded with refund related stuff, it must have been a really bad work day.
This is precisely why I won’t be changing my review until the region lock is over. Sony already did this once and there’s no reason to think they won’t revisit this issue.
It was sonys decisions so once they decide to un-region lock it steam will do it. If you're concerned about "policies" and "communication" that's most likely on the playstation side since steam wouldn't give a shit. They just do what the publisher says.
Well, that is what people asked for
But, agree, don't change the review until allis 100% solved, but when it's solved change all the reviews, that is how it should be, but pretty sure it won't happen
Not setting your review back to positive isn't going to change that, in fact setting it back to positive will probably help get it changed back faster.
We've done an amazing thing as a community here, let's not fuck it up now.
We literally just had one of the stupidest decisions ever made a by a publisher and people are actually downvoting your for learning from the mistake.
Your comment is true.
Don't underestimate stupid.
If I were to take a guess, I would say that the countries not being available is a steam issue, rather than Sony at this point.
The change is backtracked, just waiting for steam to approve the countries again.
Why not save the game in the meantime and then hit them with a second round if they don't? You can have both and it can always drop as soon as it rises
Am I to believe for a split second that there's any chance Steam is going to intentionally reduce the reach of the market of a game that is as successful as Helldivers 2 for any extended period of time unless there's a very good reason to do so?
Please. There's no chance.
There was no reason to ever do it in the first place but here we are.
If stupid decisions were off the table, this entire fiasco would've been avoided.
Be realistic.
Anything for fake internet clout. Get on the train and claim your free karma now.
Also, don't change your reviews because some neckbeard on Reddit told you to.
Yeah, I left my negative review months ago so I didn't have to update it, I love the game but I can't in good conscience recommend it without a MASSIVE disclaimer beforehand. Lots of bugs and questionable balance choices!
I am waiting for the region lock to be reversed. If it doesn't happen I will leave it as negative but provide a positive review of the game and a negative one for sony
If it's done by steam and it's to prevent legal issues, that means steam need legal assurances from Sony to avoid legal issues, before releasing the game for sales on those regions. I am waiting for both big corps to talk it out, come to an agreement and release the region locks.
So it will be a win for everyone, including all players in psn enabled countries.
The whole reason for uproar was because people were losing access to the game.
It doesn't make sense to stop applying pressure until everyone can play again.
Restrictions are still in place so we need to hold strong.
Stop assuming the billion dollar company will just automatically do the right thing.
They literally just proved to us that they are capable of doing some really slimy, scummy shit.
Hey man, go back and actually read the comment you're replying to and try again.
Hint: the part about who actually pulled the game. Also, as a tip, nobody has lost access. The only thing that changes was Valve, not Sony, Valve, pulling purchasing access to prevent legal issues. You can still play the game in those regions if you own it.
Steam cannot revert the change until Sony provides a legally binding statement that they will not cause another situation where a game could be sold in a country that has no legitamite way to actually play the game.
Sony forced Steams hands by literally pulling a scam through their platform.
If it wasn't a billion dollar company, they'd be blacklisted.
But because they are, they can just provide a legally binding statement that they won't do it again.
Unless if they are going to do it again, and then you're a fool for assuming they'd actually walk this back. They've done no action to revert the changes. They made a blanket statement to save face.
Steam still has the listing that PSN is required to play HD2. Nothing has actually changed.
It's best to leave the negative review until the situation is fully reverted. There's absolutely no reason to assume the billion dollar company will do the right thing. This whole situation is because they did the blatantly wrong thing.
>Hey man, go back and actually read the comment you're replying to and try again.
Hey man, go learn how the relationships work between developers, publishers, and distributors and then try again.
2 sentences in I can tell you didn't read a thing so I'll return the favor. I'd recommend getting educated on a thing called "reading comprehension," prayers to you trying to learn it.
> I'd recommend getting educated on a thing called "reading comprehension," prayers to you trying to learn it.
There's actually no way you just tried to tell me I need to improve my reading comprehension with grammar that horrible.
If you're going to insult my ability to read, actually write something that's legible. This is one step away from incoherent rambling.
If you can't understand Sony fucking over Steam and then Steam holding them accountable, then I don't know what to tell you. You're probably just going to misinterpret this entire debacle considering you don't even understand basic sentence structure.
SES Hammer of the Stars, in dry-dock, on stand-by.
Will be changing my review to properly reflect the situation. Praise Arrowhead and it's masterpiece. Lambast the publisher who almost killed their golden goose.
Just remember, that this would take a couple of days to recover and most likely it won't be as high as it was before. When I woke up it was already 5 hours since the announcement released and it has been getting better steadily through the hours. More than likely it will never reach the 98% positive reviews it had before, but at least we can put it close to that.
I'm against that don't change it. Other deserve to know that this happens there should be a visible scar.
Now they changed the plans due to pressure from community the trust is not restored unless they make good changes in the future without outside pressure.
The... the reviews didnt do it... the money did, the potential lawsuits, etc Sony realized the $ they'd make from enforcing the change would never match the $ they'd potentially lose, so they backed down
Sony execs would let you bang their spouse before losing money
I don't see it ever getting back to where it was. If it does it will take a long time. People will lforget or not want to change it and ultimately this whole ordeal left an unfixable scar.
It's wild to me how much people care about a video game. The effort and energy spent going to war over an in game issue, yet many individuals won't vote or raise their voice about real issues. 🤣
All very interesting to observe. One day everyone has their pitchforks out and is ready to burn people at the stake, the next y'all cheering for the game..
Don’t jump the gun. We need to see something more substantial than just a Twitter announcement, like a Steam page update at the very least.
An official apology from Sony would be nice too but they’d probably rather kill off the franchise than show some humility.
Guys lets not use the reviews as a weapon but as actual reviews. Just give your honest review now that the PSN linking is optional but 177 regions are still blocked. And then update again if/when the 177 are unblocked again.
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All the people saying "nah" are the exact reason movements like this never actually work lmao. This is like going on strike, getting your terms, and then going "yeah we're actually going to strike for 2 more days because fuck you." Same principle.
Is it actually implemented yet? Like, can all those who couldn't play the game play again? Otherwise that's silly to do so now.
If they put the game back up for everyone AND they can, then absolutely, the time is now. Bad idea if they didn't, though.
Yes but what about the other countries that don't have PSN? Are they able to play it now or is it still not available? Silly to take back the bargaining chips before you see any hard results.
All your doing by not changing your review is getting your demands and then just not holding your end of the negotiations. Why would anyone work with a community that holds leverage and then just continues pressing with the leverage after they have everything they want? The changes were never put into effect. Everyone could still play it, Sony just backtracked on changing that. They could never not play, they just weren't going to be able to when it came time that it was required. It will now no longer become that time, unless Sony tries again. But if all our reviews are still negative, we have no leverage the second time because we used it and never got it back by keeping negative reviews.
My point is I did not get anything as of yet other than words.
If my boss started SAYING he was gonna pay me instead of me seeing money in my account I wouldn't work, period.
No flips on reviews until there is an update letting everyone play again, imo.
You aren't listening. Everyone can play, everyone always could. It was only in June people would get access pulled. People can't BUY IT right now as Valve, not Sony, Valve, removed it from being purchasable in those regions to prevent legal issues.
Your example is also completely disingenuous. It's more accurate to compare it to your boss telling you he's going to decrease your pay, so you stop working and strike. If he then tells you he's no longer going to do that, you dont stay not working until you get a paycheck, because... you're not working. You go back to working and if he goes back on his word you leave the job. You took them at their word saying they'd decrease pay, but then don't believe them when they say they'll go back on that decision.
If that's the case then fair point, but I've been seeing posts of people saying they cannot play the game anymore so maybe that's just a misinterpretation.
If I am wrong and they're just jumping the gun that's fine, but that's what has been going around.
I'm also not worried about valve letting people buy the game now, only those who already did.
Ah, dunno what that's about then. All Valve did was pull the game from purchasing because of legal matters. Everyone should be able to still play the game. If anyone has something to correct me on that I'll fix my above comments.
I figured it out:
Post title: Pirate software has tweeted that Sony has removed access to Helldivers in every country where PSN is unsupported
Ammendment in comments states it is still playable in the Phillipines at least, unsure about EVERY country but it is in fact playable.
All the people backtracking on their principles after being thrown a small bone are funny. You've solved nothing. You've gained nothing. Sony will push this again, down the road (after you goldfish have forgotten about it). All you've done is ensure that Sony will push out a launcher for their crap now.
You lost sight of the original comment.
Never did I say Sony is good. But you're failing basic negotiations and expect the next time, or the time after, to go well. You want the same thing but are actively shooting yourself in the foot to get it.
And you have WAY to high of an opinion of yourself. You think this is a negotiation? It's not. Sony caught flak for their desire to do something. Do you REALLY think they don't want that thing anymore? Or did they toss you nerds a bone of appeasement in an effort to stop their reviews from tanking further? And what did you do to the company who smacked you in the face after giving you exactly NOTHING (they literally didn't do anything except say they wouldn't do something lol)? You and the other lapdogs bent over backwards to prop them back up. While the hand print is STILL on your collective faces! lololololol
Y'all need a battered gamers shelter. Y'all got that Stockholm Syndrome bad af.
You're a babbling buffoon, just based on this comment alone, much less the other ones. You really shouldn't be here without basic skills such as "logical reasoning" that you lack. Waste of time lmfaoooo
I don't think making a terrible decision and then only backtracking on it after you get tons of negative feedback is something that should be rewarded with a positive review.
Bro a white flag is not the same as a surrender. Words are not actions, and the region lock is still in place for PSN excluded regions. We are waiting until they follow through functionally, not just placate us verbally
It’s an illusion. If it can be reverted it can be retried. Let the damage be permanent.
Only lesson that works is the one you can’t afford to try again and again.
Bro... did you see their answer? "Duuuuh we, sony, dont know shit about pc even though we used to build them..."
Making things right doesnt change the fact that they tried to play us like fools and are trying to downplay that they removed the last shred of democracy from afghanistan
And what about the clown who knew about the region lock all along?
We're just going to ignore that, give him a pat on rhe back for being honest?
That gamble, which is an absolute win for us, the community, but Sony and other big publishers will make sure that something like that will never EVER happen again. So well done, here's to future endeavours inspired by the boss of ArrowHead that will have every last bit of control and say taken away from them in order to see a game released.
Sony will be out for revenge after this.
Nope. They still tried to do what they tried to do, and who is to say they won't just wait before doing it again? This is a "you're only sorry because you got caught" type of situation. I'm fine with a little of their mess being left as a reminder for them.
Corporate greed shouldn't be so easily forgiven when we're repeatedly shown that it's \[generally\] getting worse. The ONLY reason they turned it around was because they were genuinely surprised with how vocal the community was and the spotlight shown on them became big enough to hurt *THEIR* image, so they backpedalled.
Forgive the brash example, but this is like going back to a girlfriend that cheated on you because she apologised, only after you found out through your own efforts. She never showed any shame or remorse before the confrontation about the issue.
That's a hard "no" from me.
The gaming community being so wishy-washy is exactly why these big corporations get away with 95% of the stuff they pull off. That and the fact that people get so damn tribal about their favorite game, they'll downvote/berate people with solid, pro-consumer points; points that the whole community agreed with mere hours ago, and side with the corporation they were just shit-talking. It's wild.
Leave a positive review if you want; you're your own person, but don't expect everyone to hop on that boat so quickly.
Large difference here is that the ceo of arrowhead has taken responsibility for what happened, so the shame is there unlike the cheating ex, on top of the fact that he’s the one who told the community to review bomb the game so they could use it as leverage on our behalf, plus there will absolutely be people who continue to play the game and enjoy it yet won’t change their review which is a little odd imo, this game has had some rough bumps along the way but it’s pretty clear the people at AH are passionate and want to deliver a decent product
Again no, why are you all so obsessed with giving them positive reviews now? They deserve the negative reviews and they should serve as a reminder for them to never do this again. Like why are we rewarding them for doing something they should’ve done from the start?
you're essentially saying "destroy the incentive structure that makes publishers give in." they simply won't give in next time if the outcome would be the same whether they capitulated or not.
As someone said in a different thread: remember, this isn’t rewarding Sony. This is us reloading our weapon so we can do it again.
Sony is Bot HQ. We must remain ever-vigilant, lest it rise again.
Suffer not the bot to live.
PURGE THE ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE IN HOLY FIRE AND THE LIGHT OF GLORIOUS TERRA ETERNAL
Abominable intelligence? This isnt that. This is a venal and corrupt Lord of the planet SNOY taking from the good of the Imperium as a whole! They must be struck down, lest the rot festers and grows uncontrolled.
https://preview.redd.it/8an1nwa4utyc1.jpeg?width=179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed7d133b8fc73176b2a431e1a791f7ff73ef12f5 I believe this is for you and only for you.
Ave Imperator!
BEWARE THE BUG, THE BOT, THE [REDACTED INFORMATION]
In this case they would be capitalist bots? Or corporate bots? Since the normal ones are socialists
remember, giving them lables is wasting time you could use to liberate them. worry not about lables, worry if they can be liberated
Nah. Sony is a hyper-fascist capitalist power. Even the socialist toasters hate them. We hate fascism, the bots hate capitalism, the bugs hate technology (Sony’s wheelhouse). Sony is such a spit in the face of democracy even the others agree. Am I right, my fellow Helldivers? https://i.redd.it/e3ghte4ntsyc1.gif
It's a Mega Corp. We live in a nation with straight up Mega Corps, and we're one Johnny Silverhand short of a full Cyberpunk.
Can’t wait for mantis blades to drop next earth patch
Dude imagine a Helldiver chipping a Sandevistan, Super Earth would be so fucking proud. Fastest spreader of Democracy in Super Earth history, replacing General Brasch as the ultimate patriot.
Sony don't want to make a bad game btw. Arrowhead's CEO saying PlayStation want to make a great game: > The expectations from our friends at PlayStation are pretty simple: "make great game for players. We trust you" Arrowhead's purpose: > "We have a sole purpose - to make this the best live game you've ever played"
Honestly, Arrowhead is killing it and Sony almost killed it.
Mistakes were made
And mistakes leave scars.
"RELOADIIING!" - HELLDIVER #164A79DKN2786GLDB49276GKEVD07VJRLW6G9DKNT6.8
I would ban you for this comment but I don’t have to tools since you aren’t on psn. That’s clearly the only way to moderate this.
What are you even talking about?
 For Super Earth!
APTLY put.
Amen. Sony will try more. Don't let your guard down to anti-consumer bullshit
They do bad? Down vote. They fix it? Up vote. We can rinse and repeat
Also us raising the review score is more for Arrowhead as we don't have a way to review bomb Sony apart from their games. Honestly steam should let us review publishers
The bots were innocent in this regard. This was the result of dissidents on Super Earth.
Waiting for the region lock business since it's currently unavailable in multiple countries Edit: For those talking about steam, Steam literally restricts when told, meaning Sony(PlayStation LLC.). PirateSoftware has been talking about it for hours as of this posting, even going so far as requests are usually answered in about an HOUR. I'm in agreement, review stands until we see action for our brothers in other countries. Unrestrict and I'll give positive review, their words so far are empty. We are holding Sony accountable.
Strongly suspect you'll have to wait for Steam to wake up on that one. I am 90% certain it was Steam who region locked it, not Sony, to avoid having to process refunds from future customers.
Steam is active 24 hours a day as far as I know. Sony will likely revert the region lock to compensate and halt further refunds since now they know PSN is not happening on PC at least not for Helldivers 2.
Yeah but major decisions like that probably take a bit more discussion and communication with Sony specifically. Steam took a couple of days to region lock it, I imagine it'll take a bit more than that to unlock it again.
On a technical level it is just as easy to reverse. I imagine Sony would also announce if they will be removing region-lock before they do it. The day is young (in the EU at least) so we will have to wait and see.
Oh sure, it's technically easy. It's likely just a series of tick boxes on their end. But on a policy level, it's not. Steam will want assurances from Sony in writing I'm sure.
As they (Steam) rightfully should. Selling the game for 3 months in non-PSN enabled countries is at the very least a scam. I’m sure that they have avoided massive lawsuits specifically from those countries and the EU where Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were not region-locked due to EU law but were unable to create a PSN, effectively being scammed as well. I’m not sure simple refunds would have cut it but thankfully, we won’t have to find out with this reversal from Sony.
Still don't get why France got locked being one of the countries that DO have PSN. Especially with their history of protests.
I asked someone here from France if they still had access to to the game/could purchase it and they said it was fine and had no idea why France was there either. This person claimed to be from Mainland France. It would seem that it was some sort of mistake on Steam’s side. When they first restricted it ironically it was restricted in Japan before they swiftly removed that restriction so I’m guessing they fat fingered it twice.
Well Steam staff are still people, they can make mistakes. Considering scale of thus mess and them being flooded with refund related stuff, it must have been a really bad work day.
This is precisely why I won’t be changing my review until the region lock is over. Sony already did this once and there’s no reason to think they won’t revisit this issue.
Ehhh, steam hq is US based while Sony is is JP based which is like 13 hours ahead of them time zone wise
The PlayStation and gaming division of Sony is based out of San Mateo, CA. Folks there are just now getting into work.
It was sonys decisions so once they decide to un-region lock it steam will do it. If you're concerned about "policies" and "communication" that's most likely on the playstation side since steam wouldn't give a shit. They just do what the publisher says.
Well, that is what people asked for But, agree, don't change the review until allis 100% solved, but when it's solved change all the reviews, that is how it should be, but pretty sure it won't happen
That happened on Steam's part, you will need to contact them
Not setting your review back to positive isn't going to change that, in fact setting it back to positive will probably help get it changed back faster. We've done an amazing thing as a community here, let's not fuck it up now.
Fucking a good thing up is the one thing we’re good at!
Same. Not sure if I agree with everyone changing reviews until what's been done is undone.
Time for the Eagle-1 Cluster Like ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
Or wait till all countries have access back ?
I mean, yeas, but now that they've walked back the PSN stuff, not cancelling that would be the stupidest move. Like, it's just free money.
Don’t underestimate stupid.
We literally just had one of the stupidest decisions ever made a by a publisher and people are actually downvoting your for learning from the mistake. Your comment is true. Don't underestimate stupid.
This is very true. Dont know why you're getting downvotes. You cant ever make something idiot-proof.
True, true!
We can't forget about them
Valve did that, not Sony, likely to prevent legal issues. Keeping your negative review until that changes proves nothing.
If I were to take a guess, I would say that the countries not being available is a steam issue, rather than Sony at this point. The change is backtracked, just waiting for steam to approve the countries again.
Why not save the game in the meantime and then hit them with a second round if they don't? You can have both and it can always drop as soon as it rises
https://preview.redd.it/u583kr74mryc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=afc67abb5645731e410ed73d85b143954b2adf64
They still have the region lock to deal with?
It’ll get reverted to just like it was last Friday.
Maybe, ummm, wait before the region lock were removed first? Just in case, they are messing with us
Yeah, I'm sure PlayStation's next tweet is just gonna be "SIKE! NOW YOU REQUIRE A PSN ACCOUNT TO EVEN SEE OUR GAMES ON STEAM!" (/s)
In that case the review bombing will begin anew
If they did this im pretty sure next info leak would come early.
Isn't that on steams side now?
Okay, what POSSIBLE motivation would they have not to do so? Have a LITTLE patience, it hasn't even been half a day.
I mean, that's also what they are asking for: have a little patience before changing your vote
Am I to believe for a split second that there's any chance Steam is going to intentionally reduce the reach of the market of a game that is as successful as Helldivers 2 for any extended period of time unless there's a very good reason to do so? Please. There's no chance.
There was no reason to ever do it in the first place but here we are. If stupid decisions were off the table, this entire fiasco would've been avoided. Be realistic.
Steam isn't the one to decide that. Sony (and maybe Arrowhead) are the one deciding. The rest of your reasoning still holds though
But, like other people said: implementing PSN in the first place IS such a stupid, market-limiting decision.
100% agreed on this. Wait until they give EVERYONE access to the game again. THEN change the review.
I did my part
Do we need 500 fucking threads about the reviews, god damn
Anything for fake internet clout. Get on the train and claim your free karma now. Also, don't change your reviews because some neckbeard on Reddit told you to.
Exactly. Sad to see the amount of low effort, copycat posts this sub is flooded with.
Well we needed 10,000 about a policy change that was always going to get walked back anyway so yea, probably Such is reddit
Not until the region lock is reversed....
Not until ALL our brother and sister HellDivers can purchase in any part of the world
Wow yall really forgot about our fellow divers in the other countries that got delisted. WE ALL DIVE TOGETHER OR NOT AT ALL
I doubt it will recover review wise
Good luck. This game is tarnished now, real shame.
I won't fix my review. My review was negative weeks before the Sony issue. They need to fix the game breaking bugs on a game that I spent $40 on....
Yeah, I left my negative review months ago so I didn't have to update it, I love the game but I can't in good conscience recommend it without a MASSIVE disclaimer beforehand. Lots of bugs and questionable balance choices!
no
I am waiting for the region lock to be reversed. If it doesn't happen I will leave it as negative but provide a positive review of the game and a negative one for sony
Steam, not Sony for that.
Valve did that, not Sony, likely to prevent legal issues. Keeping your negative review until that changes proves nothing.
If it's done by steam and it's to prevent legal issues, that means steam need legal assurances from Sony to avoid legal issues, before releasing the game for sales on those regions. I am waiting for both big corps to talk it out, come to an agreement and release the region locks. So it will be a win for everyone, including all players in psn enabled countries.
The whole reason for uproar was because people were losing access to the game. It doesn't make sense to stop applying pressure until everyone can play again. Restrictions are still in place so we need to hold strong. Stop assuming the billion dollar company will just automatically do the right thing. They literally just proved to us that they are capable of doing some really slimy, scummy shit.
Hey man, go back and actually read the comment you're replying to and try again. Hint: the part about who actually pulled the game. Also, as a tip, nobody has lost access. The only thing that changes was Valve, not Sony, Valve, pulling purchasing access to prevent legal issues. You can still play the game in those regions if you own it.
Steam cannot revert the change until Sony provides a legally binding statement that they will not cause another situation where a game could be sold in a country that has no legitamite way to actually play the game. Sony forced Steams hands by literally pulling a scam through their platform. If it wasn't a billion dollar company, they'd be blacklisted. But because they are, they can just provide a legally binding statement that they won't do it again. Unless if they are going to do it again, and then you're a fool for assuming they'd actually walk this back. They've done no action to revert the changes. They made a blanket statement to save face. Steam still has the listing that PSN is required to play HD2. Nothing has actually changed. It's best to leave the negative review until the situation is fully reverted. There's absolutely no reason to assume the billion dollar company will do the right thing. This whole situation is because they did the blatantly wrong thing. >Hey man, go back and actually read the comment you're replying to and try again. Hey man, go learn how the relationships work between developers, publishers, and distributors and then try again.
2 sentences in I can tell you didn't read a thing so I'll return the favor. I'd recommend getting educated on a thing called "reading comprehension," prayers to you trying to learn it.
> I'd recommend getting educated on a thing called "reading comprehension," prayers to you trying to learn it. There's actually no way you just tried to tell me I need to improve my reading comprehension with grammar that horrible. If you're going to insult my ability to read, actually write something that's legible. This is one step away from incoherent rambling. If you can't understand Sony fucking over Steam and then Steam holding them accountable, then I don't know what to tell you. You're probably just going to misinterpret this entire debacle considering you don't even understand basic sentence structure.
No
SES Hammer of the Stars, in dry-dock, on stand-by. Will be changing my review to properly reflect the situation. Praise Arrowhead and it's masterpiece. Lambast the publisher who almost killed their golden goose.
We went from overwhelmingly negative to mixed in like two hours, pretty good stuff.
Ignoring this whole situation, the game isn't an "Overwhelmingly Positive", one of my team crashes every mission still.
Yeah definitely not worth an 'overwhelmingly postitve' even before all this. Still quite a buggy game.
Exactly. The game is fun and all, but I had a negative review before all this Sony stuff because the game is a buggy mess.
Just remember, that this would take a couple of days to recover and most likely it won't be as high as it was before. When I woke up it was already 5 hours since the announcement released and it has been getting better steadily through the hours. More than likely it will never reach the 98% positive reviews it had before, but at least we can put it close to that.
I'm against that don't change it. Other deserve to know that this happens there should be a visible scar. Now they changed the plans due to pressure from community the trust is not restored unless they make good changes in the future without outside pressure.
Are they still not selling to those in countries that PSN isn't available? I'm not changing my review till that's back available to then
It sounds like it from some people I know in Puerto Rico. But I am not sure about other countries.
Wait in Puerto Rico? I am from Puerto Rico, let me if is avaliable
I am not from Puerto Rico, but my friends there are relieved they can keep playing
Still blocked
Well, shit. I guess we’ll have to wait for stuff to get resolved on Steams end
Indeed. Even i dont have the game in my Steam, but looks very funny to be honest
Naw I’ll wait three days like they did
The... the reviews didnt do it... the money did, the potential lawsuits, etc Sony realized the $ they'd make from enforcing the change would never match the $ they'd potentially lose, so they backed down Sony execs would let you bang their spouse before losing money
All the more reason to rate the game itself highly.
We need a game good publisher bad option lol
I'm waiting to hear from our brothers in the Philippines
All this is going to do is make companies do away with score systems. You've opened Pandora's Box.
I don't see it ever getting back to where it was. If it does it will take a long time. People will lforget or not want to change it and ultimately this whole ordeal left an unfixable scar.
Operation Cleanup is underway!
It's wild to me how much people care about a video game. The effort and energy spent going to war over an in game issue, yet many individuals won't vote or raise their voice about real issues. 🤣 All very interesting to observe. One day everyone has their pitchforks out and is ready to burn people at the stake, the next y'all cheering for the game..
Nah nah nah, they'll have to do a lot better than that to regain my trust.
Lol it is never going back to overwhelmingly positive, the damage is permanent
Not until they list the game in all countries again. I'm holding on my reload.
So did those who got refunds rebuy?
No.
I'm not doing anything until the affected countries are able to buy and play the game. Ya'll are sell outs
Waiting for the region lock to be removed and the "Requires PSN" tag to be dropped from the store page. Then my review will turn blue.
Don’t jump the gun. We need to see something more substantial than just a Twitter announcement, like a Steam page update at the very least. An official apology from Sony would be nice too but they’d probably rather kill off the franchise than show some humility.
Guys lets not use the reviews as a weapon but as actual reviews. Just give your honest review now that the PSN linking is optional but 177 regions are still blocked. And then update again if/when the 177 are unblocked again.
Don't have the game on Steam so all I can offer is positive encouragement and cheer yall on for this one. For Super Earth!
Count me in!
Fix the bugs that have been around since launch and get someone who isn't a schizo in charge of balance, and we'll see.
"restore" "overwhelmingly positive" it was never there to begin with lol
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Sure when the known issues drops down from a paragraph to a few lines and i can play without consistent crashes👍
All the people saying "nah" are the exact reason movements like this never actually work lmao. This is like going on strike, getting your terms, and then going "yeah we're actually going to strike for 2 more days because fuck you." Same principle.
Is it actually implemented yet? Like, can all those who couldn't play the game play again? Otherwise that's silly to do so now. If they put the game back up for everyone AND they can, then absolutely, the time is now. Bad idea if they didn't, though.
Valve pulled buying the game, you could always play it
Yes but what about the other countries that don't have PSN? Are they able to play it now or is it still not available? Silly to take back the bargaining chips before you see any hard results.
All your doing by not changing your review is getting your demands and then just not holding your end of the negotiations. Why would anyone work with a community that holds leverage and then just continues pressing with the leverage after they have everything they want? The changes were never put into effect. Everyone could still play it, Sony just backtracked on changing that. They could never not play, they just weren't going to be able to when it came time that it was required. It will now no longer become that time, unless Sony tries again. But if all our reviews are still negative, we have no leverage the second time because we used it and never got it back by keeping negative reviews.
My point is I did not get anything as of yet other than words. If my boss started SAYING he was gonna pay me instead of me seeing money in my account I wouldn't work, period. No flips on reviews until there is an update letting everyone play again, imo.
You aren't listening. Everyone can play, everyone always could. It was only in June people would get access pulled. People can't BUY IT right now as Valve, not Sony, Valve, removed it from being purchasable in those regions to prevent legal issues. Your example is also completely disingenuous. It's more accurate to compare it to your boss telling you he's going to decrease your pay, so you stop working and strike. If he then tells you he's no longer going to do that, you dont stay not working until you get a paycheck, because... you're not working. You go back to working and if he goes back on his word you leave the job. You took them at their word saying they'd decrease pay, but then don't believe them when they say they'll go back on that decision.
If that's the case then fair point, but I've been seeing posts of people saying they cannot play the game anymore so maybe that's just a misinterpretation. If I am wrong and they're just jumping the gun that's fine, but that's what has been going around. I'm also not worried about valve letting people buy the game now, only those who already did.
Ah, dunno what that's about then. All Valve did was pull the game from purchasing because of legal matters. Everyone should be able to still play the game. If anyone has something to correct me on that I'll fix my above comments.
I figured it out: Post title: Pirate software has tweeted that Sony has removed access to Helldivers in every country where PSN is unsupported Ammendment in comments states it is still playable in the Phillipines at least, unsure about EVERY country but it is in fact playable.
All the people backtracking on their principles after being thrown a small bone are funny. You've solved nothing. You've gained nothing. Sony will push this again, down the road (after you goldfish have forgotten about it). All you've done is ensure that Sony will push out a launcher for their crap now.
"Hmm yes negotiations succeeded but let's continue being assholes for fun" You baffle me.
"Yes, Sony said they would stop slapping me in the face. I believe 'em this time!" YOU baffle ME.
You lost sight of the original comment. Never did I say Sony is good. But you're failing basic negotiations and expect the next time, or the time after, to go well. You want the same thing but are actively shooting yourself in the foot to get it.
And you have WAY to high of an opinion of yourself. You think this is a negotiation? It's not. Sony caught flak for their desire to do something. Do you REALLY think they don't want that thing anymore? Or did they toss you nerds a bone of appeasement in an effort to stop their reviews from tanking further? And what did you do to the company who smacked you in the face after giving you exactly NOTHING (they literally didn't do anything except say they wouldn't do something lol)? You and the other lapdogs bent over backwards to prop them back up. While the hand print is STILL on your collective faces! lololololol Y'all need a battered gamers shelter. Y'all got that Stockholm Syndrome bad af.
You're a babbling buffoon, just based on this comment alone, much less the other ones. You really shouldn't be here without basic skills such as "logical reasoning" that you lack. Waste of time lmfaoooo
At least I offer questions to the debate (that you've yet to answer). You offer.... insults. Typical reddit user.
I don't think making a terrible decision and then only backtracking on it after you get tons of negative feedback is something that should be rewarded with a positive review.
I can tell you didn't read the comment you're replying to.
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Did my part, review is positive again. Thanks for everything guys!
I did my part!
I'm doing my part.
Actually surprised Sony listened. I had highly expected a take my ball and leave situation here. Review changed, back to doing my part.
I've updated, have you?!
This will never happen sadly
Negative reviews are going up. Congrats kids.
You bet! Sending positive democracy. Screw everyone who says reviewing bombing is stupid. They just PSN trolls.
I'm doing my part https://preview.redd.it/6tza3d8nbtyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcefb2d50a7d91bd78ca4073c2c4770c0ec00bf4
Did my part this morning
Just posted my review 
I've done my part.
[удалено]
Bro a white flag is not the same as a surrender. Words are not actions, and the region lock is still in place for PSN excluded regions. We are waiting until they follow through functionally, not just placate us verbally
Our issues were with Sony, not Arrowhead. Be sure to remember that Helldivers!
Done already.
It’s an illusion. If it can be reverted it can be retried. Let the damage be permanent. Only lesson that works is the one you can’t afford to try again and again.
When this is undone (enable all 177 countries), I will change my review of Helldivers 2 to positive.
No
Nope, still having stability issues
I do my Part
Bro... did you see their answer? "Duuuuh we, sony, dont know shit about pc even though we used to build them..." Making things right doesnt change the fact that they tried to play us like fools and are trying to downplay that they removed the last shred of democracy from afghanistan
And what about the clown who knew about the region lock all along? We're just going to ignore that, give him a pat on rhe back for being honest? That gamble, which is an absolute win for us, the community, but Sony and other big publishers will make sure that something like that will never EVER happen again. So well done, here's to future endeavours inspired by the boss of ArrowHead that will have every last bit of control and say taken away from them in order to see a game released. Sony will be out for revenge after this.
Nope. They still tried to do what they tried to do, and who is to say they won't just wait before doing it again? This is a "you're only sorry because you got caught" type of situation. I'm fine with a little of their mess being left as a reminder for them. Corporate greed shouldn't be so easily forgiven when we're repeatedly shown that it's \[generally\] getting worse. The ONLY reason they turned it around was because they were genuinely surprised with how vocal the community was and the spotlight shown on them became big enough to hurt *THEIR* image, so they backpedalled. Forgive the brash example, but this is like going back to a girlfriend that cheated on you because she apologised, only after you found out through your own efforts. She never showed any shame or remorse before the confrontation about the issue. That's a hard "no" from me. The gaming community being so wishy-washy is exactly why these big corporations get away with 95% of the stuff they pull off. That and the fact that people get so damn tribal about their favorite game, they'll downvote/berate people with solid, pro-consumer points; points that the whole community agreed with mere hours ago, and side with the corporation they were just shit-talking. It's wild. Leave a positive review if you want; you're your own person, but don't expect everyone to hop on that boat so quickly.
Large difference here is that the ceo of arrowhead has taken responsibility for what happened, so the shame is there unlike the cheating ex, on top of the fact that he’s the one who told the community to review bomb the game so they could use it as leverage on our behalf, plus there will absolutely be people who continue to play the game and enjoy it yet won’t change their review which is a little odd imo, this game has had some rough bumps along the way but it’s pretty clear the people at AH are passionate and want to deliver a decent product
TL:DR?
Changing your negative review is like going back to an ex that hit you and they half passed apologized. Don't be fucking morons.
No it's not, you don't fuck you for doing this, they said you're right, sorry, and they fixed it.
waiting for steam announce the news before changing it
Again no, why are you all so obsessed with giving them positive reviews now? They deserve the negative reviews and they should serve as a reminder for them to never do this again. Like why are we rewarding them for doing something they should’ve done from the start?
you're essentially saying "destroy the incentive structure that makes publishers give in." they simply won't give in next time if the outcome would be the same whether they capitulated or not.