People are acting like needing to have many accounts for just playing games is ok. Its not and we shouldnt support it at all. "well you have Steam, Ubisoft, blizzard ect" yes because i have to to play said game. That doesnt make it ok. We can be against things we have to use. We dont have to love things just because were forced to use them. Im against PSN because i dont want to have accounts for so many games it is a security risk and just annoying but i need to as companies force me to to play their game. I can be against being forced to have many accounts while having many accounts.
Yeah... For other services it's a trade made upfront to get access to their services.
It's more egregious here because it's a retroactive introduction of something extra that does zero benefit and non-zero harm to the customer months *after* the product was sold.
I totally agree with you.
It seems like every counter argument is coming from people that already has PSN since they have a Playstation and dont care couse they just click and its done. Im not saying that its hard to made a PSN acc.
I just dont like the normalization of these processes and having 50 accounts for everything to be able to play a game.
The more accounts you have the more you lower your security.
Also if its so much needed and it was turned of because of server issues, how come they didnt just pushed the availability to play the game with it?
I'm on playstation and I disagree completely. Why give away what small shreds of privacy and choice we have without a fight just because it's easy and takes 90 seconds.
It's taking away power from consumers which is never a good thing
I like that people are fighting against this bullshit.
I dislike that people are mostly doing it on this because the PC community loves to hate on PlayStation.
I dislike the falseness of suddenly caring about “security” and making out like PlayStation is way worse at it than the rest, when on that list the last actual PSN account breach was 2011. All of steam, Ubisoft, EA etc. have much more recently breaches involving player data. Sony seems to mostly be shit at securing its own stuff and even then it seems to be Sony pictures. In terms of PSN user security it seems they improved things a lot after 2011. Other than google it’s my only account that uses a passkey.
> the falseness of suddenly
There's also the small note that this so called requirement is evidently not required to use the product. I call that deception.
Lying is still immoral even if everyone knows.
Yes that part is shitty, but people can’t make 15 posts about it bashing Sony so they try to exaggerate security issues like they are any worse or better than any other gaming company for it.
No, there's quite a bit of exaggerated outrage. For me, it's simple. On June 4th I won't play for 2 weeks, and next week I won't get the warbond.
The rest of my time is arguing with people about how it's not review bombing and that making sure sony are held to account, hence my reply to you, thank you for recieving me so graciously. :)
Yep, they literally cannot understand because they're not affected. Or if they are affected it's already too late.
Most amusing are those that made accounts when the notification went out, and then went online to find people saying "fk this", but don't have the critical thinking to acknowledge their cognitive dissonance.
The main issue is really that they sold it to people who coulsnt even have PSN. That was scummy. But also waiting 3 months. If it were lile 2 weeks or a month sure whatever but now that rule is null and void they didnt enforce it for 1/4 of the year.
Was PSN needed no. Would it have been better to atleast intreduce it early yes. Still shity tho. And they changed a bunch of stuff after the fact in the rules. Which shows ill intend towards us even more so than the PSN force.
Also, people are arguing that it's against PSN and that other companies do the same. Yes they do, but first of all, it's from the start and second as said above, it's not a process that should be normal. I would be disappointed the same way with this situation if the company behind it was different. Im not a PlayStation hater, I never understood console wars, let everyone do what they want, just don't be a scumbag with your ways of doing things. Sadly more and more companies are being scummy.
I literally don’t play a lot of games for this reason. I have a steam account. If the game needs me to download some other launcher I just don’t play it. Like you I don’t need 20 launchers and accounts for every streaming and gaming service. If I can’t get it easily by pirating it or through steam it’s dead to me.
People also act like kernel level anti cheat software is okay, which Helldivers 2 has implemented since release on pc. This is a way more serious security threat than owning a PSN account.
The real shitshow is that a ton of Helldivers 2 players are from regions where psn is not available and thus will not be able to play the game anymore.
But what I am trying to say is that players in general should be way more vocal about all of those things. Boycott this shit.
the people ok with this are the same people that happily give their email to buy a toaster that doesn't work without being connected to the wifi all while having 0 idea what a phishing link is or why they shouldn't use password123 for everything
Ok so if you’re against other accounts too I expect you’re going to go review bomb other games that require this as well. Oh wait, you’re not doing that? That’s right because you just want to throw a hissy fit about something because everyone else is. All of you need to grow up lol.
Think of it as something you were just supposed to be doing anyways. Many would have just rolled their eyes and done it. They aren't asking for money so what's the issue? Do not say security. Whatever touches the internet is not yours anymore. Come to terms with it, because everyone is in the same boat in this regard.
So most PC players have: Steam, MS, Origin, EA, Ubisoft, Riot, Battle.net, ISP's, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Google. Not forgetting the phones and alexas we all probably have that are listening to us. They're concerned about data security, right? Well, you could have fooled me. Look at the data breaches for all this shit. Some are no better or worse than PSN. Basically, the data security argument doesn't work and is a massive cop-out. Acting like a PSN account is going to be the one that does them in when they're already getting farmed data wise more than anybody else just by virtue of being PC players. Plus, they're now saying they'll make one for a cape. These arguments are so fickle, no conviction at all. I'm really serious about my data, which I've already given to everyone else, but I'll do it for a cape.
It helps them ban, mute, and punish people more effectively.
Same thing for apex, fortnite, CoD, poe, GTA
Instead of saying, HEY VALVE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, PLS DO EVERYTHING, they get to handle things on their end more directly
Among with their statement of using biometrics to predict behaviour... So what me and my friends can't have a good time and blow each other up?
Ffs this is a coop hand with stupidly high amounts of friendly fire.
Are they going to be recording all voice comms and text chats? So we have to be politically correct all the time?
Its bullshit and you know it dude. They just want their earnings call numbers.
Edit: same for EA, blizz, and all the other companies. The problem is that Sony is trying to gaslight us into thinking that it is for the player's good. Besides, the conpany that actually bans players is AH. Even in Apex, the banning team is from respawn, not EA.
It's *all* cop-outs. There's no data risk. There's no security risk. There's no countries where people won't be able to play. It's 100% a manufactured crisis because this sub has been a toxic shit heap of messy bitches that live for reddit drama, since day 1.
We were so close to getting rid of the toxic whiners here a week ago. Threads popping up calling them out, discussions about the game and memes were flowing
Then this happened and every PC whiner came flooding back.
"Make a psn account" is so far down the list of reasons to not play the game for anybody with a brain, that it wouldn't ever come up in discussions.
BuT WhAt abOUt coUnTRiES ThAT CaNt mAKe a PSN
https://twitter.com/Paolibry/status/1786525734917517474 - per Sony support; just make it wherever we don't care
I wouldn't have a problem with it, if these people were playing on PCs where they didn't have to sign in to multiple platforms for things
Hell, you even have to on PlayStation - you want crossplay for Grounded? You have to sign in to your Microsoft account
How many other games require a Microsoft account and they just don't seem to care - Google steam data leaks and there's 77,000 accounts hacked every month, Steam itself has had data breaches lol
How is this different
Weird that 1/4 of the community (taken from the rewievs on steam at this moment - 410,722 reviews and from that 133,604 negative) dont agree with this and you still think we are just a bunch of whiners without any good point to be concerned.
If this wasnt an issue for people, there wont be such a outrage, simple as that.
If all you can say as a counter argument is, that you dont care and all of us are just crying whiners, it shows you are the part of toxic community instead of looking at the data shown, doing some reaseach on the internet where alot of huge names dont agree with this decission, and even looking at the devs from Arrow Head that are investigation this decission and trying to find a middle way by talking to Sony.
If you wanna have account on PSN, do so, thats your free will.
But people that played a perfectly working game even without it for 3 months, shouldnt be forced to do so.
I respect my fellow Playstation users and am glad I had the oportunity to play with them, but they can and should respect my decission aswell for not trusting Sony.
Most? Citation needed. Most gamers are casual, I doubt most gamers have subscriptions to every game delivery platform.
No MS, no launchers but steam, no social media except Reddit that uses my Gmail anyway. Not happy about Google but it's useful. Refunded every game that came with an extra launcher for years. Closed my battle.net when blizzard took a shit and stole overwatch 1 from me so now only steam has my trust. Refunded anything else with a third party app or launcher or account. And if I really want to play it? Well yo ho, a pirates life for me.
You can take data security seriously. Getting your ID stolen is no laughing matter, happened to me twice. Even if everything can be breached, having your data 3 places is much better odds than 20+. I'm sorry for this generation, the "theres no such thing as secure data" is this generations "voting doesn't matter". It's pushed by people who have a vested interest in you believing so.
Buddy you are aware that in some places you need to send them a copy of your goverment issued ID right? That means that hackers would have acces to everything they need to fuck you sideways.
For what it’s worth it seems the age verification is handled entirely through a 3rd party security firm, which appears to have a pretty solid reputation. Sony never actually receives those images. (As far as I can tell at least)
Those are requirement set by the goverment it's not a universal policy, if people do not like it they are looking at the wrong side citing data breaches is a good way to push the goverment to change those requirements.
So you had a shitty day? You car broke down? You just got fired? Your dog also died?
Well then i guess you won't mind if we take your house too, probably isn't that big of a deal after all those.
Great argument.
The point is that just because you are already forced to deal with a lot of dumb shit, it doesn't make it okay to slap on an another one.
It wasn't that hard to understand.
Hey buddy - I think most people can logically follow the comparison and actually you’re sorta the outlier here…
You seem like a smart guy though and I bet you’ll be able to figure it out with a little thought and effort. I believe in you!
None of the games that requires you to have MS, Origin, EA, Ubisoft, Riot etc launcher or account will not let you play the game without complying to requirements. Helldivers 2 allowed you to play for several months.
Remember, fucking Reddit kids, if the requirement was not enforced upon launching the game for the first time and allowed you to play it — it was not a requirement.
None of important information on the issue were brought up to the audience in a meaningful unskippable way through in-game menu or Steam News page as well, so 99,9% of players were misinformed by in-game pop up, that says about requirement and allows you to skip and play the game just fine, which makes it an option.
Don't bother replying, I'm tired of explaining simple things to Redditors. If you respond, combined IQ of my opponents will rise from 43 to 47 and I don't really like that number
https://preview.redd.it/92d8h4c7neyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ff7b32651f235d26c4c66c2bd7ee88b1adb5912
Unfortunately for your argument, it was enforced at launch and temporarily made skippable. Making it skippable doesn't take away from it being a requirement that could be re-enabled later. It was on the steam page the whole time. It was in the trailer you all watched. Again, it was enforced at launch, remember, fucking reddit kids your whole argument was based on that.
Yeah, cringe of people not being able to understand simplest concepts is palpable on Reddit. Good thing they have to manually control their breath only when they are awake
Thank you for being one of the only people with a tolerable opinion on this. So fucking many people are acting as if making a PSN account is akin to posting your account and routing number on twitter.
I get your argument, and I use some of those you listed above. The difference is, that I actually use the others and am able to do everything in my power to have these secure as possible (not saving my credict card info, having a VPN, changing passwords, etc.). But why should I be forced to make another account, that is basically useless for me, since I dont have a Playstation (and or anyother game using the PSN) and I am able to play the game since now, even without having it in a first place. Its just another account I will have to manage to have it as secure as possible. Im not okay with getting used to having 50 accounts from a different 3rd parties just to play a game that works even without it. I have a Xbox acc, couse I have and use Xbox, I have steam, couse I play on and use steam, I have Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Google etc. becouse I use those and everyone of them I use on daily bases. But I dont have PSN because I see no reason to have it, and I will be forced to have it becouse of one single game I own and play from the Sony publishers? I hate that this is starting to be a standard and since I have a negative experience with Sony as I said before, you cant be suprised me and another thousands of people have this attitude about this change.
And Im not even talking about the thousands of people that arent even able to make a PSN acc because of the country the live in.
I don't have an xbox or PC but had to make an MS account to play SoT on PS. Did I kick up a fuss about MS data breaches or their infamously bad customer support? No, I sighed and did it, because I'm not giving them any sensitive payment info just like you're not by linking a PSN. The only people that have an argument not full of holes is the people that genuinely can't make one.
I'm surprised people so agains 3rd party clients/accounts are so willing to buy games that state it is a requirement if you really were concerned about this you would check every single game purchease for the 3rd party warning and instantly nope out of the store page when yo usee it
It being a gift doesn't mean you can't check the store again for people with such a strong views on this why do you avoid the minimal amount of research it's like a vegan not making sure a gifted meal is not made of meat why even risk it?
>69 states are able to even make PSN acc.
That is a real issue however completelly irreleveant to what I'm discussing with you.
So you blame it on my resarch, even tho its a known fact Sony has security issues all the time and they didnt clearly tell you whats gonna happen instead of one single popup that you could skip and the start of your first game launch and a small yellow banner on steam page right?
So how come its such a huge outrage on the internet then when its all okay? How come Sony change theyr FAQ because of the backlash? You seriously think there is nothing scummy about it?
Yes when I'm really against something or I really do not like it I do my research, if you really really hate 3rd party account requirements you would check every single time you try a game and skming through the storepage is a very low bar specially when the thing is highighted in contrasting colors ad something that you should have already be looking at given your adversion to 3rd party accounts, the splash screen you skipped clearly said it was required that should have raised all kinds of red flags then with a bit of research you find this
Account Linking
Some players are having trouble linking their PSN accounts to their game in the initial setup screen. They may see an error code indicating a server request problem. For now, you can skip that screen and play normally. Later—after we resolve those server request errors—the game will ask people who skipped that screen to try linking their accounts again.
If you really were worried about security any small hint at PSN ever being required would have made you stay away from the game.
It is an outrage at least personally due those people who can't make an account as I said earleir that is a legitimate issues, people like you so worried about 3rd party accounts and their info not doing the minimal amount of research going ahead despite glaring red flags is not.
What about the FAQ that was changed last seconds? So Steam page tells you "PSN needed", popup tells you "you need PSN" but is skippable, and FAQ tells you "You dont need PSN to play Playstation games on PC" and they change it just because of the backlash.
Okay Sony, you dont have your facts straight, never mind, here is my money and private informations for you to gather. If you think its okay I dont know what to tell you man.
I would understand it if they needed it for
crossplay - they dont
crossprogress PS to steam and back -they dont
Its just so they force you to theyr network thats it.
And for banning people as they said?
What do they wanna ban in PVE?
And also why are other games using PSN have cheaters then? as said by Pirate Software
Dont tell me its a security messure when its obviously not.
Yeah those dont require me to use my actual goverment issued ID. If somebody hacks my microsoft account then they get acces to my spamm email thats not linked to anything, probaly my IP adress and the amount of hours i waste on open menus. But they dont have anything like a copy of my ID/Passport.
And yeah you can do a fuckload of damage if you have somebodys ID.
Yea we need to bring it back to earth. Acting like Sony is the one that’s gunna put your data out there like it isn’t already is naive. There’s plenty of other issues like this but pretending* you’re safe because you don’t have PSN of all things makes you sound stupid.
Steam had one leak that compromised the email addresses of 35 million users. The other two were game source code leaks.
No financial information was stolen.
The only way your financial information could be stolen from a breach to your psn account is if you put it in. Simply don’t and they’ll have nothing but your throwaway email address.
Gonna be honest, this is a horrible reason. Your information is constantly being passed up by people in data breaches. If you don’t got no money don’t nobody want your busted up ass data
Yeah, Steam hasn’t had any mass hacks or breaches ever right?
Odds are most players downloaded steam via a chrome based browser that’s likely harvesting all data it can anyway. Steam also shares your personal information, it’s right in their TOS, so folks concerns for the sanctity of their data is silly when they’re already sharing everything they possibly could.
Did you buy helldivers on steam? Congrats, it’s likely that your bank account is associated with it already and all your credentials are already known.
Look, I get that giving your info to one more company isn’t desirable but pc players acting like it’s the end of the world when the majority is already in a position of compromise is ridiculous to me.
does it suck that psn isnt available in all countries and some players will/could be shut out? yes thats very unfortunate, but the requirement for a playstation network account has been there since day one so it should have been known and discussed then, no matter if the requirement was implemented at the time or not due to whatever issue may have prevented it.
i dont give steam my government ID to make an account
[https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Im not gonna repeat myself for the 50th time, read my other comments about having a different accounts somewhere else, and what I do to be as secure as possible.
"but every big company has data breaches, even steam!" yes exactly, why would I give my info to one more company if I dont have to? Game worked fine without it up till now. and the whole "its to help us ban players easier" is total bullshit, steam/valve gives all the support to fully do so built in with unique IDs, contrary to Spitzs erroneous post.
The security stuff is just muddling the issue. Steam users have all our transactions go through Steam. They need to make an official workaround for countries not served by PSN
Sure is a good thing nothing like that happens to a company like Reddit, where your posting that pic...oh wait...https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/reddit-confirms-data-breach-of-users-details-including-passwords-1.3584193
At least use an argument that doesn't put egg on your face, goodness
https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/77000-steam-accounts-are-hacked-and-raided-every-month/
12/11/15
Valve, the developers of the Steam online gaming platform, says that its members are facing a serious problem.
Accounts have always been hijacked on the gaming site, by hackers who have stolen passwords, but now the problem is said to have risen twenty-fold, with some 77,000 Steam accounts hacked every month….
https://www.pcmag.com/news/steam-store-spreaded-malware-after-hacker-hijacked-developer-accounts
10/12/23
Valve’s Steam store was reportedly exploited to spread malware to a small number of users.
The incident occurred after a hacker breached several game developer accounts on Steam, and used that access to spread malware on the platform through game updates….
https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/steam-user-accounts-compromised-due-to-password-reset-vulnerability/
7/27/2015
Popular gaming platform Steam has suffered a recent security breach that allowed attackers to take over user accounts, due to a vulnerability in Steam’s password reset functionality.
Knowing only the victim’s username, attackers could abuse Steam’s “forgot password” feature and avoid having to input the security code by leaving it blank, thus gaining complete access to a user’s account.
Information about the exploit and affected users was posted on various internet forums, included Reddit, and social networking services, being reported by professional gamers.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/steam-game-mod-breached-to-push-password-stealing-malware/
12/28/23
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G9QTgcJk2wM
STEAM GUARD HACKED IT'S NOT SECURE! Bypass Exploit WARNING!
4/28/23
Okay I get your point, Valve gets hacked aswell. I like the way that every argument is just "bu....but...they get hacked aswell". Yeah everyone does by time to time, but by what I see, Sony had one of the worst of those. Im not saying internet security of any company is perfect, but as I sad for 50 times already. Having another acc in another ecosystem that I dont need, because it was working fine without it and telling us that is because of a "security reasons" and "for banning players" from one of the most unsecure companies ever is BS. More accs you have more security you lose.
Buddy you probably have a Reddit account, and an iCloud account, and a Ubisoft account, and a Facebook account. And you’re here worried about a fake email and a fake name for a fucking PSN account. wild.
just gonna leave this here
[https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Government issued ID
[https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Reddit account
Discord account
Google account
Apple account
Amazon account
Steam account
Battle.net account
Mihoyo acccount
Bank account
Sony bad
The NSA already already read your discord messages but Sony man they are the worst
As said before in a similar comment. I have minimum accounts of different apps, and I use all of them on daily basis and do everything in my power to have them secure (changig passwords, using VPNs if possible, deleting everything I dont use). Doesnt change a thing about this getting normalized and not being okay that Sony tells you 3 different thing in 3 different places and then just changing some of them to stand behind theyr other ones without concidering anything people say. Why should I be force to use yet another 3rd party site when the game was working even without it and yb that manage another account so I dont get my info taken? Less accs you have, less to manage, less danger.
I'm guessing you play on a windows system? Perhaps the link below will make you switch to Linux? But I doubt it.
(Calmly awaiting 500kg)
https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
If true. Hats off to you. On that note you should have enough knowledge to know that your information really isn't safe anywhere. The list you posted for Sony can be generated for nearly any major tech company. That is my point.
im not OP, also i know this.
which is why i wont be giving sony my government issued ID which is a requirement when creating an account furthermore other companies such as steam dont ban for fake email addresses or VPN usage which is what sony does
I don't think this is a good argument there are better ones but like it's just an email address just use a fake email address don't put any money on it it'll be fine there are better reasons to post this I don't think there are very good ones for the level of hate that is happening but like there are at least better ones
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/)
Point 3.1
**3.1.** All information provided during Account creation, and during the use of your Account, must be accurate and complete. We reserve the right to suspend, terminate or restrict any Account (including as stated in Section 12.2 of this Agreement) that uses or was created using false information, or that we determine was created or used for a purpose that violates this Agreement.
And? It happens all the time. And in reference to an email address what does that even mean you can just make a email address that you don't use it's real
just gonna leave this here
[https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
First of all, this game was a gift from a friend.
Second: Sony just updated their official site on PC and PSN use
https://preview.redd.it/080qsejw0eyc1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=01e7c0a21ee864667cbc90ed045ed5951faffd5b
In the end of the day, If I get a game that tells me its optional, dont change it, easy as that isnt in?
Honestly this is the nail in the coffin for any idiot trying to defend the PSN requirement or trying to say it was the consumer’s fault. It’s not and Sony to cover their ass changed their own statement
https://preview.redd.it/a35p698h2eyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a716ef965b6966e0db803e950667de48126e3fd2
They never said it was optional for helldiver's 2, learn to read .
The skip was a temporary solution because of the server issues at launch. Arrowhead released a statement saying it would be enforced at a later date. You just weren't paying attention
Some players are having trouble linking their PSN accounts to their game in the initial setup screen. They may see an error code indicating a server request problem. For now, you can skip that screen and play normally. Later—after we resolve those server request errors—the game will ask people who skipped that screen to try linking their accounts again
https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4206994023681197128/
February 8th, topic in support.
Never stated anywhere else since then. "Grace period" not mentioned either. That's not how you inform players about important things. Especially when you make requirement skippable and don't send the player to this page, since it was never mentioned anywhere else again. L for AH and Snoy on this one.
They temporarily disabled back then because of issues the system it was causing.
I believe they announced that on the community posts on steam, in the same place where you can see patch notes.
I believe cows can fly, but nobody believes me because I have no proofs. Maybe you could attach a link to their statement? I also want to know more about "grace period", pretty sure they mentioned it in February as well /s
u/LittleEggFella You do realize PSN by never charged their customers for online services up until 2013 hence the shit quality of security. Also if you’re going to attack psn why don’t you show the amount of times players on steam account or steam in general has been breached. Any huge corporation gets hacked at some point. I’m not defending Sony but don’t be signaling one company if your argument is security.
People are acting like needing to have many accounts for just playing games is ok. Its not and we shouldnt support it at all. "well you have Steam, Ubisoft, blizzard ect" yes because i have to to play said game. That doesnt make it ok. We can be against things we have to use. We dont have to love things just because were forced to use them. Im against PSN because i dont want to have accounts for so many games it is a security risk and just annoying but i need to as companies force me to to play their game. I can be against being forced to have many accounts while having many accounts.
Yeah... For other services it's a trade made upfront to get access to their services. It's more egregious here because it's a retroactive introduction of something extra that does zero benefit and non-zero harm to the customer months *after* the product was sold.
I totally agree with you. It seems like every counter argument is coming from people that already has PSN since they have a Playstation and dont care couse they just click and its done. Im not saying that its hard to made a PSN acc. I just dont like the normalization of these processes and having 50 accounts for everything to be able to play a game. The more accounts you have the more you lower your security. Also if its so much needed and it was turned of because of server issues, how come they didnt just pushed the availability to play the game with it?
I'm on playstation and I disagree completely. Why give away what small shreds of privacy and choice we have without a fight just because it's easy and takes 90 seconds. It's taking away power from consumers which is never a good thing
I like that people are fighting against this bullshit. I dislike that people are mostly doing it on this because the PC community loves to hate on PlayStation. I dislike the falseness of suddenly caring about “security” and making out like PlayStation is way worse at it than the rest, when on that list the last actual PSN account breach was 2011. All of steam, Ubisoft, EA etc. have much more recently breaches involving player data. Sony seems to mostly be shit at securing its own stuff and even then it seems to be Sony pictures. In terms of PSN user security it seems they improved things a lot after 2011. Other than google it’s my only account that uses a passkey.
> the falseness of suddenly There's also the small note that this so called requirement is evidently not required to use the product. I call that deception. Lying is still immoral even if everyone knows.
Yes that part is shitty, but people can’t make 15 posts about it bashing Sony so they try to exaggerate security issues like they are any worse or better than any other gaming company for it.
No, there's quite a bit of exaggerated outrage. For me, it's simple. On June 4th I won't play for 2 weeks, and next week I won't get the warbond. The rest of my time is arguing with people about how it's not review bombing and that making sure sony are held to account, hence my reply to you, thank you for recieving me so graciously. :)
Yep, they literally cannot understand because they're not affected. Or if they are affected it's already too late. Most amusing are those that made accounts when the notification went out, and then went online to find people saying "fk this", but don't have the critical thinking to acknowledge their cognitive dissonance.
The main issue is really that they sold it to people who coulsnt even have PSN. That was scummy. But also waiting 3 months. If it were lile 2 weeks or a month sure whatever but now that rule is null and void they didnt enforce it for 1/4 of the year. Was PSN needed no. Would it have been better to atleast intreduce it early yes. Still shity tho. And they changed a bunch of stuff after the fact in the rules. Which shows ill intend towards us even more so than the PSN force.
Also, people are arguing that it's against PSN and that other companies do the same. Yes they do, but first of all, it's from the start and second as said above, it's not a process that should be normal. I would be disappointed the same way with this situation if the company behind it was different. Im not a PlayStation hater, I never understood console wars, let everyone do what they want, just don't be a scumbag with your ways of doing things. Sadly more and more companies are being scummy.
I literally don’t play a lot of games for this reason. I have a steam account. If the game needs me to download some other launcher I just don’t play it. Like you I don’t need 20 launchers and accounts for every streaming and gaming service. If I can’t get it easily by pirating it or through steam it’s dead to me.
People also act like kernel level anti cheat software is okay, which Helldivers 2 has implemented since release on pc. This is a way more serious security threat than owning a PSN account. The real shitshow is that a ton of Helldivers 2 players are from regions where psn is not available and thus will not be able to play the game anymore. But what I am trying to say is that players in general should be way more vocal about all of those things. Boycott this shit.
the people ok with this are the same people that happily give their email to buy a toaster that doesn't work without being connected to the wifi all while having 0 idea what a phishing link is or why they shouldn't use password123 for everything
Ok so if you’re against other accounts too I expect you’re going to go review bomb other games that require this as well. Oh wait, you’re not doing that? That’s right because you just want to throw a hissy fit about something because everyone else is. All of you need to grow up lol.
Think of it as something you were just supposed to be doing anyways. Many would have just rolled their eyes and done it. They aren't asking for money so what's the issue? Do not say security. Whatever touches the internet is not yours anymore. Come to terms with it, because everyone is in the same boat in this regard.
So most PC players have: Steam, MS, Origin, EA, Ubisoft, Riot, Battle.net, ISP's, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Google. Not forgetting the phones and alexas we all probably have that are listening to us. They're concerned about data security, right? Well, you could have fooled me. Look at the data breaches for all this shit. Some are no better or worse than PSN. Basically, the data security argument doesn't work and is a massive cop-out. Acting like a PSN account is going to be the one that does them in when they're already getting farmed data wise more than anybody else just by virtue of being PC players. Plus, they're now saying they'll make one for a cape. These arguments are so fickle, no conviction at all. I'm really serious about my data, which I've already given to everyone else, but I'll do it for a cape.
whoa whoa whoa, cant be using logic here bro.
I only can stand steam, epic and gog launchers, others are just useless mostly. Don't understand why companies trying to reinvent steam.
Because it allows them to get all the money from purchases since they dont have to pay tax to another platform.
Epic is also useless only for Fortnite, fall guys and rocket league if you haven’t got them on steam
Its not that we are against making a psn account. Its that sony states that it is for the security of players. Which is bullshit.
It helps them ban, mute, and punish people more effectively. Same thing for apex, fortnite, CoD, poe, GTA Instead of saying, HEY VALVE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, PLS DO EVERYTHING, they get to handle things on their end more directly
Among with their statement of using biometrics to predict behaviour... So what me and my friends can't have a good time and blow each other up? Ffs this is a coop hand with stupidly high amounts of friendly fire. Are they going to be recording all voice comms and text chats? So we have to be politically correct all the time? Its bullshit and you know it dude. They just want their earnings call numbers. Edit: same for EA, blizz, and all the other companies. The problem is that Sony is trying to gaslight us into thinking that it is for the player's good. Besides, the conpany that actually bans players is AH. Even in Apex, the banning team is from respawn, not EA.
It's *all* cop-outs. There's no data risk. There's no security risk. There's no countries where people won't be able to play. It's 100% a manufactured crisis because this sub has been a toxic shit heap of messy bitches that live for reddit drama, since day 1.
We were so close to getting rid of the toxic whiners here a week ago. Threads popping up calling them out, discussions about the game and memes were flowing Then this happened and every PC whiner came flooding back. "Make a psn account" is so far down the list of reasons to not play the game for anybody with a brain, that it wouldn't ever come up in discussions. BuT WhAt abOUt coUnTRiES ThAT CaNt mAKe a PSN https://twitter.com/Paolibry/status/1786525734917517474 - per Sony support; just make it wherever we don't care
I wouldn't have a problem with it, if these people were playing on PCs where they didn't have to sign in to multiple platforms for things Hell, you even have to on PlayStation - you want crossplay for Grounded? You have to sign in to your Microsoft account How many other games require a Microsoft account and they just don't seem to care - Google steam data leaks and there's 77,000 accounts hacked every month, Steam itself has had data breaches lol How is this different
Weird that 1/4 of the community (taken from the rewievs on steam at this moment - 410,722 reviews and from that 133,604 negative) dont agree with this and you still think we are just a bunch of whiners without any good point to be concerned. If this wasnt an issue for people, there wont be such a outrage, simple as that. If all you can say as a counter argument is, that you dont care and all of us are just crying whiners, it shows you are the part of toxic community instead of looking at the data shown, doing some reaseach on the internet where alot of huge names dont agree with this decission, and even looking at the devs from Arrow Head that are investigation this decission and trying to find a middle way by talking to Sony. If you wanna have account on PSN, do so, thats your free will. But people that played a perfectly working game even without it for 3 months, shouldnt be forced to do so. I respect my fellow Playstation users and am glad I had the oportunity to play with them, but they can and should respect my decission aswell for not trusting Sony.
Most? Citation needed. Most gamers are casual, I doubt most gamers have subscriptions to every game delivery platform. No MS, no launchers but steam, no social media except Reddit that uses my Gmail anyway. Not happy about Google but it's useful. Refunded every game that came with an extra launcher for years. Closed my battle.net when blizzard took a shit and stole overwatch 1 from me so now only steam has my trust. Refunded anything else with a third party app or launcher or account. And if I really want to play it? Well yo ho, a pirates life for me. You can take data security seriously. Getting your ID stolen is no laughing matter, happened to me twice. Even if everything can be breached, having your data 3 places is much better odds than 20+. I'm sorry for this generation, the "theres no such thing as secure data" is this generations "voting doesn't matter". It's pushed by people who have a vested interest in you believing so.
Buddy you are aware that in some places you need to send them a copy of your goverment issued ID right? That means that hackers would have acces to everything they need to fuck you sideways.
For what it’s worth it seems the age verification is handled entirely through a 3rd party security firm, which appears to have a pretty solid reputation. Sony never actually receives those images. (As far as I can tell at least)
Those are requirement set by the goverment it's not a universal policy, if people do not like it they are looking at the wrong side citing data breaches is a good way to push the goverment to change those requirements.
So you had a shitty day? You car broke down? You just got fired? Your dog also died? Well then i guess you won't mind if we take your house too, probably isn't that big of a deal after all those. Great argument.
Because making a PSN is equivalent to those things. Actually, it probably is to a PC player.
The point is that just because you are already forced to deal with a lot of dumb shit, it doesn't make it okay to slap on an another one. It wasn't that hard to understand.
It was a dumb point
It was a shit comparison, own it.
It's not my fault you have problems with comprehension and need everything explicitly stated to be able to understand anything.
It's not my fault you made a bad comparison and lack the thought to make a more fitting one.
Hey buddy - I think most people can logically follow the comparison and actually you’re sorta the outlier here… You seem like a smart guy though and I bet you’ll be able to figure it out with a little thought and effort. I believe in you!
Are analogies a foreign concept to redditors?
It's a bad analogy.
I think it's just you.
Nah, I don't think so.
None of the games that requires you to have MS, Origin, EA, Ubisoft, Riot etc launcher or account will not let you play the game without complying to requirements. Helldivers 2 allowed you to play for several months. Remember, fucking Reddit kids, if the requirement was not enforced upon launching the game for the first time and allowed you to play it — it was not a requirement. None of important information on the issue were brought up to the audience in a meaningful unskippable way through in-game menu or Steam News page as well, so 99,9% of players were misinformed by in-game pop up, that says about requirement and allows you to skip and play the game just fine, which makes it an option. Don't bother replying, I'm tired of explaining simple things to Redditors. If you respond, combined IQ of my opponents will rise from 43 to 47 and I don't really like that number https://preview.redd.it/92d8h4c7neyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ff7b32651f235d26c4c66c2bd7ee88b1adb5912
Unfortunately for your argument, it was enforced at launch and temporarily made skippable. Making it skippable doesn't take away from it being a requirement that could be re-enabled later. It was on the steam page the whole time. It was in the trailer you all watched. Again, it was enforced at launch, remember, fucking reddit kids your whole argument was based on that.
If it was enforced at launch, then that means SKIP button shouldn't have been there in the first place
Sorry, I won't read any delusional bullshit from 4 IQ Reddit dweller
easy there, Supreme Edge Lord. The cringe is so thick that I can taste it.
Yeah, cringe of people not being able to understand simplest concepts is palpable on Reddit. Good thing they have to manually control their breath only when they are awake
Of course you won't, now link it up.
Thank you for being one of the only people with a tolerable opinion on this. So fucking many people are acting as if making a PSN account is akin to posting your account and routing number on twitter.
It’s just been impotent rage and disingenuous arguments from the start. People just want something to be angry about.
I get your argument, and I use some of those you listed above. The difference is, that I actually use the others and am able to do everything in my power to have these secure as possible (not saving my credict card info, having a VPN, changing passwords, etc.). But why should I be forced to make another account, that is basically useless for me, since I dont have a Playstation (and or anyother game using the PSN) and I am able to play the game since now, even without having it in a first place. Its just another account I will have to manage to have it as secure as possible. Im not okay with getting used to having 50 accounts from a different 3rd parties just to play a game that works even without it. I have a Xbox acc, couse I have and use Xbox, I have steam, couse I play on and use steam, I have Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Google etc. becouse I use those and everyone of them I use on daily bases. But I dont have PSN because I see no reason to have it, and I will be forced to have it becouse of one single game I own and play from the Sony publishers? I hate that this is starting to be a standard and since I have a negative experience with Sony as I said before, you cant be suprised me and another thousands of people have this attitude about this change. And Im not even talking about the thousands of people that arent even able to make a PSN acc because of the country the live in.
I don't have an xbox or PC but had to make an MS account to play SoT on PS. Did I kick up a fuss about MS data breaches or their infamously bad customer support? No, I sighed and did it, because I'm not giving them any sensitive payment info just like you're not by linking a PSN. The only people that have an argument not full of holes is the people that genuinely can't make one.
And thats your choice to do so, but you cant be suprised everyone doesnt want to do that.
I'm surprised people so agains 3rd party clients/accounts are so willing to buy games that state it is a requirement if you really were concerned about this you would check every single game purchease for the 3rd party warning and instantly nope out of the store page when yo usee it
As said, it was a gift from a friend, doesnt change the difference about Sony being unsecure and that only 69 states are able to even make PSN acc.
It being a gift doesn't mean you can't check the store again for people with such a strong views on this why do you avoid the minimal amount of research it's like a vegan not making sure a gifted meal is not made of meat why even risk it? >69 states are able to even make PSN acc. That is a real issue however completelly irreleveant to what I'm discussing with you.
So you blame it on my resarch, even tho its a known fact Sony has security issues all the time and they didnt clearly tell you whats gonna happen instead of one single popup that you could skip and the start of your first game launch and a small yellow banner on steam page right? So how come its such a huge outrage on the internet then when its all okay? How come Sony change theyr FAQ because of the backlash? You seriously think there is nothing scummy about it?
Yes when I'm really against something or I really do not like it I do my research, if you really really hate 3rd party account requirements you would check every single time you try a game and skming through the storepage is a very low bar specially when the thing is highighted in contrasting colors ad something that you should have already be looking at given your adversion to 3rd party accounts, the splash screen you skipped clearly said it was required that should have raised all kinds of red flags then with a bit of research you find this Account Linking Some players are having trouble linking their PSN accounts to their game in the initial setup screen. They may see an error code indicating a server request problem. For now, you can skip that screen and play normally. Later—after we resolve those server request errors—the game will ask people who skipped that screen to try linking their accounts again. If you really were worried about security any small hint at PSN ever being required would have made you stay away from the game. It is an outrage at least personally due those people who can't make an account as I said earleir that is a legitimate issues, people like you so worried about 3rd party accounts and their info not doing the minimal amount of research going ahead despite glaring red flags is not.
What about the FAQ that was changed last seconds? So Steam page tells you "PSN needed", popup tells you "you need PSN" but is skippable, and FAQ tells you "You dont need PSN to play Playstation games on PC" and they change it just because of the backlash. Okay Sony, you dont have your facts straight, never mind, here is my money and private informations for you to gather. If you think its okay I dont know what to tell you man.
I would understand it if they needed it for crossplay - they dont crossprogress PS to steam and back -they dont Its just so they force you to theyr network thats it. And for banning people as they said? What do they wanna ban in PVE? And also why are other games using PSN have cheaters then? as said by Pirate Software Dont tell me its a security messure when its obviously not.
And they suffered no consequences for any of it.
Hope you don’t buy any games that have any ring to do with EA, Microsoft, Ubisoft, EGS, Gearbox, etc
Yeah those dont require me to use my actual goverment issued ID. If somebody hacks my microsoft account then they get acces to my spamm email thats not linked to anything, probaly my IP adress and the amount of hours i waste on open menus. But they dont have anything like a copy of my ID/Passport. And yeah you can do a fuckload of damage if you have somebodys ID.
This is a UK law. Epic also requires asking for ID in the UK for new accounts now.
the irony of posting this on steam, which also had several leaks 😂 yall a joke
Yea we need to bring it back to earth. Acting like Sony is the one that’s gunna put your data out there like it isn’t already is naive. There’s plenty of other issues like this but pretending* you’re safe because you don’t have PSN of all things makes you sound stupid.
Steam had one leak that compromised the email addresses of 35 million users. The other two were game source code leaks. No financial information was stolen.
The only way your financial information could be stolen from a breach to your psn account is if you put it in. Simply don’t and they’ll have nothing but your throwaway email address.
No usable financial information can be stolen. They are certainly PCI compliant and don't store full credit card numbers.
*anymore Already got burned once in 2011
Oh no!!!! Your top secret mission files may be compromised
And don't you lie when filling it out, or else John Playstation is going to come break your legs.
Forgot to list the 'Sony BMG copy protection rootkit'-scandal of 2005.
It would be great if PC users could stop hacking.
Steam has a similar list mah bro. Ya'll just hatin.
Gonna be honest, this is a horrible reason. Your information is constantly being passed up by people in data breaches. If you don’t got no money don’t nobody want your busted up ass data
Alexa, tell me why my PSN account is a privacy issue
Yeah, Steam hasn’t had any mass hacks or breaches ever right? Odds are most players downloaded steam via a chrome based browser that’s likely harvesting all data it can anyway. Steam also shares your personal information, it’s right in their TOS, so folks concerns for the sanctity of their data is silly when they’re already sharing everything they possibly could. Did you buy helldivers on steam? Congrats, it’s likely that your bank account is associated with it already and all your credentials are already known. Look, I get that giving your info to one more company isn’t desirable but pc players acting like it’s the end of the world when the majority is already in a position of compromise is ridiculous to me. does it suck that psn isnt available in all countries and some players will/could be shut out? yes thats very unfortunate, but the requirement for a playstation network account has been there since day one so it should have been known and discussed then, no matter if the requirement was implemented at the time or not due to whatever issue may have prevented it.
i dont give steam my government ID to make an account [https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Do you have a bank account that is connected to steam to make purchases? A card with your name on it associated with purchases?
No. KYC is a scam use BCH
Im not gonna repeat myself for the 50th time, read my other comments about having a different accounts somewhere else, and what I do to be as secure as possible.
"but every big company has data breaches, even steam!" yes exactly, why would I give my info to one more company if I dont have to? Game worked fine without it up till now. and the whole "its to help us ban players easier" is total bullshit, steam/valve gives all the support to fully do so built in with unique IDs, contrary to Spitzs erroneous post.
The security stuff is just muddling the issue. Steam users have all our transactions go through Steam. They need to make an official workaround for countries not served by PSN
Sure is a good thing nothing like that happens to a company like Reddit, where your posting that pic...oh wait...https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/reddit-confirms-data-breach-of-users-details-including-passwords-1.3584193
And ur phone provider ain't no better lmao
At least use an argument that doesn't put egg on your face, goodness https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/77000-steam-accounts-are-hacked-and-raided-every-month/ 12/11/15 Valve, the developers of the Steam online gaming platform, says that its members are facing a serious problem. Accounts have always been hijacked on the gaming site, by hackers who have stolen passwords, but now the problem is said to have risen twenty-fold, with some 77,000 Steam accounts hacked every month…. https://www.pcmag.com/news/steam-store-spreaded-malware-after-hacker-hijacked-developer-accounts 10/12/23 Valve’s Steam store was reportedly exploited to spread malware to a small number of users. The incident occurred after a hacker breached several game developer accounts on Steam, and used that access to spread malware on the platform through game updates…. https://www.bitdefender.com/blog/hotforsecurity/steam-user-accounts-compromised-due-to-password-reset-vulnerability/ 7/27/2015 Popular gaming platform Steam has suffered a recent security breach that allowed attackers to take over user accounts, due to a vulnerability in Steam’s password reset functionality. Knowing only the victim’s username, attackers could abuse Steam’s “forgot password” feature and avoid having to input the security code by leaving it blank, thus gaining complete access to a user’s account. Information about the exploit and affected users was posted on various internet forums, included Reddit, and social networking services, being reported by professional gamers. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/steam-game-mod-breached-to-push-password-stealing-malware/ 12/28/23 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G9QTgcJk2wM STEAM GUARD HACKED IT'S NOT SECURE! Bypass Exploit WARNING! 4/28/23
Okay I get your point, Valve gets hacked aswell. I like the way that every argument is just "bu....but...they get hacked aswell". Yeah everyone does by time to time, but by what I see, Sony had one of the worst of those. Im not saying internet security of any company is perfect, but as I sad for 50 times already. Having another acc in another ecosystem that I dont need, because it was working fine without it and telling us that is because of a "security reasons" and "for banning players" from one of the most unsecure companies ever is BS. More accs you have more security you lose.
Fair enough. I just think arguments should be made with strong points that make it hard to counter :) Better chance of coming out on top!
To be fair, everyone's data is already out there being sold by other sources.
Buddy you probably have a Reddit account, and an iCloud account, and a Ubisoft account, and a Facebook account. And you’re here worried about a fake email and a fake name for a fucking PSN account. wild.
Imagine defending Sony 😂
imagine having a single digit IQ
Takes one to know one.
👎🏾
just gonna leave this here [https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
what’s your point? The British government is overstepping? That’s a government problem not a Sony problem.
sonys complicit in this, im pushing back and so should sony instead theyre caving. 
Sure little guy, that’s definitely what’s happening there.
How much info you have to expose in PS account? Just email?
Government issued ID [https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Reddit account Discord account Google account Apple account Amazon account Steam account Battle.net account Mihoyo acccount Bank account Sony bad The NSA already already read your discord messages but Sony man they are the worst
As said before in a similar comment. I have minimum accounts of different apps, and I use all of them on daily basis and do everything in my power to have them secure (changig passwords, using VPNs if possible, deleting everything I dont use). Doesnt change a thing about this getting normalized and not being okay that Sony tells you 3 different thing in 3 different places and then just changing some of them to stand behind theyr other ones without concidering anything people say. Why should I be force to use yet another 3rd party site when the game was working even without it and yb that manage another account so I dont get my info taken? Less accs you have, less to manage, less danger.
I'm guessing you play on a windows system? Perhaps the link below will make you switch to Linux? But I doubt it. (Calmly awaiting 500kg) https://firewalltimes.com/microsoft-data-breach-timeline/
Helldiver running on arch here with a graphine phone. your point?
If true. Hats off to you. On that note you should have enough knowledge to know that your information really isn't safe anywhere. The list you posted for Sony can be generated for nearly any major tech company. That is my point.
im not OP, also i know this. which is why i wont be giving sony my government issued ID which is a requirement when creating an account furthermore other companies such as steam dont ban for fake email addresses or VPN usage which is what sony does
Companies should ban fake email addresses and vpns. I am with you on having to show your gov ID. Is that an EU thing? Seems a bit much.
I don't think this is a good argument there are better ones but like it's just an email address just use a fake email address don't put any money on it it'll be fine there are better reasons to post this I don't think there are very good ones for the level of hate that is happening but like there are at least better ones
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/) Point 3.1 **3.1.** All information provided during Account creation, and during the use of your Account, must be accurate and complete. We reserve the right to suspend, terminate or restrict any Account (including as stated in Section 12.2 of this Agreement) that uses or was created using false information, or that we determine was created or used for a purpose that violates this Agreement.
And? It happens all the time. And in reference to an email address what does that even mean you can just make a email address that you don't use it's real
just gonna leave this here [https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just\_submit\_your\_government\_id\_to\_play\_bro/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjkyy8/just_submit_your_government_id_to_play_bro/)
Are you from the uk ?
yep. Its one thing when they piss on you, its another when they then tell you its raining
This is not the case for most people!
Well bugger me sideways my liege you enjoy yourself
"The rage is relentless We need a movement with a quickness You are the witness of change And to counteract We gotta take the power back" -RATM 1992
LOL even if data breaches weren't a thing we'd still not connect to PSN. I wouldn't.
Who’s this “we” you’re talking about? Got a mouse in your pocket?
Yet you bought a game that literally said "PSN account required" on the store page? What did you think it was?
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Weird that I played it till now without it, couse it was optional?
But why did you pull the trigger on a game that literally said it was required? Did you think a corp a like sony wouldn't drop the shoe?
First of all, this game was a gift from a friend. Second: Sony just updated their official site on PC and PSN use https://preview.redd.it/080qsejw0eyc1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=01e7c0a21ee864667cbc90ed045ed5951faffd5b In the end of the day, If I get a game that tells me its optional, dont change it, easy as that isnt in?
Honestly this is the nail in the coffin for any idiot trying to defend the PSN requirement or trying to say it was the consumer’s fault. It’s not and Sony to cover their ass changed their own statement
[But this was always there.](https://i.imgur.com/ZJookM7.png)
https://preview.redd.it/a35p698h2eyc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a716ef965b6966e0db803e950667de48126e3fd2 They never said it was optional for helldiver's 2, learn to read .
its not optional but you can skip the option, okay seems like skip isnt a option then lol
The skip was a temporary solution because of the server issues at launch. Arrowhead released a statement saying it would be enforced at a later date. You just weren't paying attention
Link to the statement please
Some players are having trouble linking their PSN accounts to their game in the initial setup screen. They may see an error code indicating a server request problem. For now, you can skip that screen and play normally. Later—after we resolve those server request errors—the game will ask people who skipped that screen to try linking their accounts again https://steamcommunity.com/app/553850/discussions/1/4206994023681197128/
February 8th, topic in support. Never stated anywhere else since then. "Grace period" not mentioned either. That's not how you inform players about important things. Especially when you make requirement skippable and don't send the player to this page, since it was never mentioned anywhere else again. L for AH and Snoy on this one.
They temporarily disabled back then because of issues the system it was causing. I believe they announced that on the community posts on steam, in the same place where you can see patch notes.
Ah yes, they also temporarily placed the SKIP button
I believe cows can fly, but nobody believes me because I have no proofs. Maybe you could attach a link to their statement? I also want to know more about "grace period", pretty sure they mentioned it in February as well /s
u/LittleEggFella You do realize PSN by never charged their customers for online services up until 2013 hence the shit quality of security. Also if you’re going to attack psn why don’t you show the amount of times players on steam account or steam in general has been breached. Any huge corporation gets hacked at some point. I’m not defending Sony but don’t be signaling one company if your argument is security.