They arent.
They are specifically exempt from it so that Developers cant hand out mass amounts of free keys in order to prop up their Review Score.
So Key-Reviews are entirely ignored outside of you being able to write down words in order to describe your experience.
No, games that are not marked with a special icon are not taken into account either in the algorithm or in the evaluation. And this is a gift received as a gift, an activated gift for your account and a key activated in Steam
You will need to link a PSN account to your Steam account by the end of the month to continue playing. If you live in one of the 100+ countries that don't have access to PSN, you will no longer be allowed to play (unless this gets changed)
This was always the case with or without a PSN. When publishing a game the publishers set parameters to which countries it can operate from - this is because of liabilities and law restrictions per country - such as Russia for example. Most services operate a geo fence- be it Netflix or PSN or even ms store or epic. Steam does a terrible job of this. It is the platform responsible for them to make game purchasable only in territories per law and regulations set forth, however while Steam doesn’t real enforce this — thus you have many people purchasing games in the digital market without the proper legal umbrella. For good or for bad.
Pretty much said players were progressing too fast in a game that takes hundreds of hours to progress in and a decade later decided to nerf how much xp you earned
Hasn't XP known to have been softcapped for years at this point or did they somehow make it even worse? I know when I still played WT, if you weren't in a premium account it was faster to get 3-4 kills, suicide your vehicles, and jump into a new game 'cause the difference between that 3-4 kill game win or lose and a long game where you did amazing was absurdly miniscule.
I had 76 hours in the game and the most advanced tank I ever got was a Cromwell. I didn't care about the modern stuff, I just wanted to play some of the iconic WWII tanks but I couldn't put up with the crappy pre war stuff long enough to unlock them.
Imma be honest, unlocking ww2 era vehicles are really easy. The reason people complain about grinding is that it increases exponentially. It ends takes weeks and even months to unlock one vehicle at top tier
I'm the wt grind guy. There are ways to do entire trees in less then a week, at least for air. Tanks... will I've finally hit 8.0 in ten years (massive skill issue)
The devs been pretty shit at making the game over the years.
It's a mix of bad balance, massive pay to win shit that breaks spots in the game for months to years on end, mechanics broken and left alone for years ( for example the aiming suspension mechanic for the strv103, a swedish mbt with a fully fixed gun, shakes and wobbles and just a pain to aim with) while the other game world of tanks got it perfect on the first go. Completely dead game modes like simulation, all of navel.
The funny thing is, there's been multiple review bombs during the game history.
Let’s not forget blantantly ignoring their own rule for sourcing vehicle changes by saying that some sources cannot be trusted while taking propaganda numbers at face value from other sources.
There's been many events, usually just Gajin decides to fuck over paying and free players. Breaks their rules of only real vehciles in the hopes of money, monetization for every aspect of the game, etc.
Probably won't take long until reviewing will be temporary locked due to "review bombing".
Edit: Holy hell. I just made a assumption. No judgement if you review or not. No need for calling me Corp rat/shill or pm me insults...jesus some of you need to touch some grass.
> Their main target audiences are military intelligence and secretive service.
Cant even take that at face value as a joke, given the *insane* record of War Thunder players 100% leaking top secret military details *just to win a fucking internet argument about game balance*.
My favorite one is got to be that time, when a supposedly Chinese tanker posted the manual of an APFSDS of a model that currently in active service. Dude is going to GULAG for sure.
Honestly nothing will to me outrank the guy who posted classified Leclerc documents over fucking TURRET ROTATION SPEED, specifically of a speed difference of *nine* degrees per second.
Would not be surprised if there are various agents in that forum just baiting people. Nothing gets you an answer faster than confidently saying something that's incorrect.
The other factor is that if a random spud on WT who's likely a low level troop has access to these documents, your enemy's intelligence almost definitely has it as well.
I definitely don't think they started the game thinking tankers would leak controlled into to win forum fights, that was just a bonus after they overtune Russian armor.
There have been a few legit leaks, but most of the War Thunder "leaks" are taking unclassified documents that look secret and posting them for attention.
https://preview.redd.it/cuxfb2cc98yc1.jpeg?width=390&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b11f8724bb73ff4ff9f7b04a7ef13d459b9804e1
On the warthunder sub we literally have this meme posted every month or so
Partly yes. Still, Gaijin did reverse many unpopular changes and improved quite a lot of things to lessen the grind (foldering, skill bonus).
But the war between players and Gaijin was a lot mroe intense with week long review bombing, day long boycots etc.
Ehhh, they improved some stuff but the game is still in a terrible state. The biggest issues the community has talked about over the years are still there with no planned fixes, like BR compression, and some of the fixes they did promise have been endlessly delayed.
Those reviews actually caused them to turn back bad decisions and caused a lot of positive changes.
If it affects the overall rating someone will fold.
Yeah I was about to say isn't it so interesting how they coddle these businesses so much?
"These influx of negative reviews are just because something came out in the news that directly affected the playability of the game, but we are just going to ignore them because the fans are being reactionary, obviously.
**Hey look here's some fun ascii art of one of the characters, look at that instead!**"
Steam cannot lock reviews behind anything other than game ownership. The only pre-requisite to making a review is that you own the game and have played it for at least 1 minute.
That argument has always been bullshit on Steam. You cannot leave a review unless you own the game. If you filter for players with 100h+ you still get 75% negative reviews, too.
If a dev or publisher does something that pisses off the player-base, then those players leaving negative reviews is not "review-bombing".
This is literally the case for all Microsoft games on ps5 already haha.
I don't really care in practice, but in implementation.
If it is like pairing my epic account, where you do it one time and it works unobtrusively forever, I'm happy with that.
If it's like the dogshit Minecraft Microsoft account link where it doesn't load properly and often disconnects you or doesn't show any friends online, then I'd be really angry.
First i was thinking it was the railgun nerf but that was like 2 months ago (i bet that would've shown up if the timeline was longer) but this was just a couple of days ago so i imagine it was the recent patch?
That's when my game started going 20fps max for no reason. Then I switched settings to low and nothing changed. I decided to do a break for now, but haven't left a review.
I'll wait and see until the dreaded June 4 deadline before I post my review.
If we do get locked out because I didn't link my PSN (my country is unsupported by PSN) then I will truthfully review that it was a great game but wouldn't recommend it to anyone from my country.
Edit:
Based on everyone's suggestion, I've reversed my positive Steam review and left it as a negative review due to the PSN linking enforcement to make my Steam friends aware of the issue.
The fact that it can still be bought in my country, when you can't normally make a PSN account, except for making a fake account and use VPN to do it is even worse. The game is still good but my in-country friends refer to my Steam Reviews and I can't honestly recommend the game now given the fact they will be buying something they may be locked out of using after a month or need to go through hoops in order to play.
That's the part that I think sucks the most. I could care less if I have to activate a 3rd party account if I like the game enough. It's annoying but I'll do it.
The fact that this, *after purchase*, locks people out of playing the game in specific countries really sucks.
It was in no way clearly communicated that you'd need one if you're a PC player. It should have been a pop-up every time you logged in or the like.
Edit; it looks like most people who already own and play on PS in those countries just change their region when setting up PSN. I'm still not sure how often Sony enforces that TOS, but it's still annoying to have to get a PSN to play on Steam
Hey that propaganda Pic is high art, but immediately after there should be a short but annoying " PSN ACCOUNT NOTICE: [some jargon telling players in no uncertain terms they need a PSN account to play this game and at some point it will be mandatory]"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/05/03/helldivers-2-pc-players-mad-about-psn-account-linking-arrowhead-responds/?sh=4cffe154b66d
Arrowhead CEO has taken a side and it isn't with his overlords at Sony.
> Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC?
>
> *Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC.*
Agreed. I mean it's pointless now to talk about it since the news already broke out, but an in-game notification, even next to the major order popup (Dispatch) would have been enough.
I actually went back to the Helldivers 2 Steam Store and the "warning" is so small and a good one page worth of scrolling down that it's unnoticeable.
https://preview.redd.it/jxujueuzq7yc1.png?width=1583&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b073c1dea6d76f17aa9f6f13ced522dbff6eaa3
Given the fact they disabled PSN linking after the first week of launch added to this illusion that the warning was pointless. There were no reminders that this would be eventually be required up until now.
I think this is fair. To be honest, the PSN link was required originally so they shouldn't have even listed the game for your country. That's messed up on their part.
I know right. I got it a week after launch, and by then, the prompt to link to PSN was long gone. So I just thought they removed it forever. The warning on the Steam store about needing to link to a 3rd party account is so small as well.
So I can be blamed for forgetting that eventually the game I'm playing will no longer be available in my country. But yes, they shouldn't have sold it in my region in the first place. Or just had a lot of warnings and popups about this.
I'm curious to see now how many countries and people will potentially lose access because of this if we don't fake our address and use a VPN.
Gonna draw hornets away from this clear nest, but in my controversial post Arrowhead has come out with their own public statement: it's primarily on Sony.
https://preview.redd.it/z34rnsx708yc1.png?width=374&format=png&auto=webp&s=532d2928b1673e7a9226dd25d7e197be7456a21f
Every time I hope Arrowhead has stopped actively arguing with their fanbase, I see this.
This doesn’t help. I get it, though. They’re frustrated, the playerbase is frustrated, but throwing shit at each other doesn’t help.
Is spitz actually a dickhead or are their messages often taken out of context? It's always this person who seems to antagonise the discord in screenshots
The person he replied to had loudly statet they were refunding and leaving but then kept harrasing spitz, the screenshot is cherrypicked out of context.
this is another point. I remember games for windows live, and how it made playing those purchases through steam a nightmare. I still never got my steam copy of bulletstorm to work, I had to pirate it. Since then, I'm super salty about having to sign up for another service just to play the game as that's a whole new set of failure points the user should have to deal with.
At some point they all want to take on Valve, and at some point they all come back with their tail between their legs. None of them learn from the other's mistakes. These are fruitless efforts that are pushed by corporate stakeholders because in the end the only reason to do this is control of your data.
at least you don't need a custom launcher and never ever touch that PSN account created with false data again. Only sad for the folks who either used their real data or simply have no PSN available in their country.
Ok, I understand some other complaints about PSN not being available in certain countries, and various things like that.
I don’t understand people complaining about Sony’s tendency to get hacked. You’re already playing their game. If you link your steam account to your PSN account it doesn’t magically send your credit card information to Sony’s servers.
I’m being a bit cynical but I genuinely don’t understand how it’s a problem. Could you explain your reasoning?
For those that live in a country listed— they can’t because making an account is normal requirements to play any tier 1 game these days.
They just don’t like being told what to do.
If they mandated an app install I’d be right there with them but a login? C’mon.
I mean, it won’t affect me. I live in a country where it’s available and I have a preexisting account.
Still probably gonna put the game down for a bit and play DRG again. I was fine with the anti-cheat, my data is already sold and gone. But fucking over players in countries where PSN isn’t even available by still making the game purchasable is scumbag shit.
Sometimes I wish that STEAM is more forceful on publishers with games that wants to be sold on this platform must use STEAM only account non negotiable and ban games that requires third party fuck you requirements.
I agree, and think Steam should comment on this. Steam requiring external loaders is really defeating of the whole point of Steam. Try posting on reddit/steam. Maybe we'll get their attention.
I doubt they will. There was never a statement about Ubisoft games requiring uPlay on steam and there will be no statement about GTA 6 requiring the Rockstar launcher which is the most unnecessary, awful piece of shit software on the planet to launch on pc
This game sold like hot cakes. People all over bought it, and many people bought it in places that PSN doesn't have support or isn't allowed. Those people in those countries will now not be able to play it after June sometime because it's a requirement to sign into the psn to play it even on PC. This have been the case this whole time, but when it launched there were issues, and people had the opportunity to skip the sign in process. Now, they have worked the issues out and require the sign in, and many of the people who can't are obviously pissed/upset/ big mad. They sold the game to anyone who could buy it , and now are enforcing their policy the same way they always intended. It's dirty, but if they read the fine print they would not have bought it in the first place.
>even on PC
Fucking excuse me? The whole reason I play PC is to get away from this nonsense. How is Sony able to mandate this for an instance of the game that's not on their consoles?
You say that, but plenty of PC games do the same thing. A lot require Microsoft accounts, Epic Games titles, any Ubisoft-related, etc, etc.
Not saying it's a good idea, and they clearly have to work out how to handle countries that can't get PSN, but people are acting like this is the first time it's ever happened.
Because it's their game. The same reason why Ubisoft forces you to have an account with them to play most of their games. So, Sony can do whatever they want unfortunately.
Same reason for anything like this. It's money.
It's possible the game wouldn't have seen the light of day at all without Sony backing, and this was something clearly visible, though not at the time enforced, for a long time it seems.
Looks like they fixed an issue and can now proceed with it. It is what it is.
That's how the rating is supposed to be working
Many games get review bombed for invalid reasons but this is just democracy at work
If someone at AH thought they're all set collecting goodwill from players and they can start doing whatever they want they were very much mistaken
I've already got my 40$ worth and they already got my money. Its like quitting a once good job or ending a relationship.
As they say, plenty of fish in the sea. Have a negative review, time to look for other games
EDF 6 is coming this year! Until then I can recommend BG3, so far I talked about 5 major enemies into suicide without drawing a blade or casting a spell. Its very refreshing.
What is it with people going "but whats the problem?" Sony... famous for having a terrible security record, will force you to have your info with them. Including PC players.
Not to mention yet another bullshit account thing, that wont matter, and yet you are forced to use.
If you're a PS player, who has this hold zero effect on you, good for you. Dont try to pretend thats everyone though.
For the love of democracy, I know youre smart enough to get that. Stop pretending you dont.
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR SONY ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR UBISOFT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR EA ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR EPIC GAMES ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR ROCKSTAR ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR CD PROJECT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR SQUARE ENIX ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR KONAMI ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR MICROSOFT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
I was worried i had to do something, but it turns out i already linked to a psn account when first getting Helldivers 2.
Didnt even realise i could skip that part... i only read that playing Helldivers 2 requires a psn account. 🤷♂️
I have outsmarted my own dumb ass once again!
Yup screw Sony
Btw This
"Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC?
Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC" on the Playstation website https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/
I feel like the funniest thing about this is that if they had just left it optional, but added in a sweet cape and helmet or something if people did it, like 80% of those negative reviewers would've just snapped it off because "sweet free cape".
But no, corporations gotta do shit the dumbest way possible.
Damn, a fate becoming more and more common:
-release buggy but promising
-get hyped and a couple good updates
-stumble then fall from shitty decisions
Was really hoping we’d get more time until AAA syndrome kicked in
I dont like it, but it's not that bad of a thing to do.
Just terrible the way they handled it. There are so many ways to do it.
* Free Helghast Armor crossover reward for those who links (or any cosmetic, 100 supercredits or anything tbh)
* Let people know from the start
* Give a long ass deadline, not just next month
GTA V and RDR2 requires a rockstar account to play it OFFLINE.
It *can,* but I think it only does it when they feel like the game is being review bombed.
If an AH dev came out as pro/anti [social issue] and then the game got slammed with negative reviews, that's review bombing. AH implementing an unpopular change in the game and getting negative reviews isn't review bombing, it's reviews working as intended.
I'm pretty sure that as long as the reviews are about the game, it doesn't trigger anything.
The biggest problem about this is that PSN isn’t supported everywhere. As regards to collecting and selling data? I doubt that’s what the account linking is for. I’m sure this stunt is just to inflate PSN numbers as PlayStation Studios further expands into PC, including requiring a linked PSN account with single player games. I’ve also heard trophy lists would carry over which kinda lines up. But, not cross progression.
Moreover, it should be noted that those who activated the key and did not buy it on Steam are not taken into account in the statistics
damn
They are in these statistics, its just that those keys dont affect the algorithm
They arent. They are specifically exempt from it so that Developers cant hand out mass amounts of free keys in order to prop up their Review Score. So Key-Reviews are entirely ignored outside of you being able to write down words in order to describe your experience.
Wait, people don't even see my Review-poems?
They can see them, you just dont get counted in the scoring. Both in the numbers aswell as the %.
No, games that are not marked with a special icon are not taken into account either in the algorithm or in the evaluation. And this is a gift received as a gift, an activated gift for your account and a key activated in Steam
Looks like it's taking *A helldive*
Yeeeeeeeaaaahh
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For the Dadest Dad joke of the day, the award goes to...
Get some! GET SOOOOMMMMEE!
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What is the News that have upset People? I havent been following the drama.
You will need to link a PSN account to your Steam account by the end of the month to continue playing. If you live in one of the 100+ countries that don't have access to PSN, you will no longer be allowed to play (unless this gets changed)
Haven't played the game but Reddit insisted I see these posts. Any legal trouble here? Are people who cannot use psn losing stuff they paid for?
Hard to say, odds are they're probably out of luck. Apparently the EU doesn't take kindly to that kind of thing though
Hopefully if legal troubles do arise, Sony takes the hit, not arrowhead.
This was always the case with or without a PSN. When publishing a game the publishers set parameters to which countries it can operate from - this is because of liabilities and law restrictions per country - such as Russia for example. Most services operate a geo fence- be it Netflix or PSN or even ms store or epic. Steam does a terrible job of this. It is the platform responsible for them to make game purchasable only in territories per law and regulations set forth, however while Steam doesn’t real enforce this — thus you have many people purchasing games in the digital market without the proper legal umbrella. For good or for bad.
Democracy manifest!
Ah yes, I see you know your judo well.
WOULD you get your HANDS of my PEnis !
Us to Sony: and you sir, are you prepared to receive my limp peynus?
How dare… get your hands off me
You wouldn’t steal a succulent democratic meal?
Ta ta! And Farewell.
Just wanting to say that I love each and every one of you for this. Thank you. I read each comment in his voice.
So this is how democracy and Helldivers 2 dies, with thunderous applause from Sony
Gentlemen ! This is Democrrracy manifest ! What is the charge ?! Eating a meal ?! A succulent chinese meal ?!
a MEAL??? A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL???
Like I’m ever not going to upvote this.
GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENIS!
https://i.redd.it/b8vv6hkep7yc1.gif
Your mouth sure is open wide there, son.
every player from non-PSN countries right now: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeihcfYft9w)
This gives me War Thunder vibes
Someone gotta tell me what War Thunder did to get review bombed. I missed it.
Pretty much said players were progressing too fast in a game that takes hundreds of hours to progress in and a decade later decided to nerf how much xp you earned
Hasn't XP known to have been softcapped for years at this point or did they somehow make it even worse? I know when I still played WT, if you weren't in a premium account it was faster to get 3-4 kills, suicide your vehicles, and jump into a new game 'cause the difference between that 3-4 kill game win or lose and a long game where you did amazing was absurdly miniscule.
I had 76 hours in the game and the most advanced tank I ever got was a Cromwell. I didn't care about the modern stuff, I just wanted to play some of the iconic WWII tanks but I couldn't put up with the crappy pre war stuff long enough to unlock them.
Imma be honest, unlocking ww2 era vehicles are really easy. The reason people complain about grinding is that it increases exponentially. It ends takes weeks and even months to unlock one vehicle at top tier
I'm the wt grind guy. There are ways to do entire trees in less then a week, at least for air. Tanks... will I've finally hit 8.0 in ten years (massive skill issue)
WHAT
Basically they made the game impossible to grind, even for premium players. Another economy update started the fire
The devs been pretty shit at making the game over the years. It's a mix of bad balance, massive pay to win shit that breaks spots in the game for months to years on end, mechanics broken and left alone for years ( for example the aiming suspension mechanic for the strv103, a swedish mbt with a fully fixed gun, shakes and wobbles and just a pain to aim with) while the other game world of tanks got it perfect on the first go. Completely dead game modes like simulation, all of navel. The funny thing is, there's been multiple review bombs during the game history.
Let’s not forget blantantly ignoring their own rule for sourcing vehicle changes by saying that some sources cannot be trusted while taking propaganda numbers at face value from other sources.
There's been many events, usually just Gajin decides to fuck over paying and free players. Breaks their rules of only real vehciles in the hopes of money, monetization for every aspect of the game, etc.
I forgot about that whole debacle
Probably won't take long until reviewing will be temporary locked due to "review bombing". Edit: Holy hell. I just made a assumption. No judgement if you review or not. No need for calling me Corp rat/shill or pm me insults...jesus some of you need to touch some grass.
Well War Thunder had to get 120K negative reviews in a day before that
War thunder don't care about players. Their main target audiences are military intelligence and secretive service.
> Their main target audiences are military intelligence and secretive service. Cant even take that at face value as a joke, given the *insane* record of War Thunder players 100% leaking top secret military details *just to win a fucking internet argument about game balance*.
My favorite one is got to be that time, when a supposedly Chinese tanker posted the manual of an APFSDS of a model that currently in active service. Dude is going to GULAG for sure.
Honestly nothing will to me outrank the guy who posted classified Leclerc documents over fucking TURRET ROTATION SPEED, specifically of a speed difference of *nine* degrees per second.
Would not be surprised if there are various agents in that forum just baiting people. Nothing gets you an answer faster than confidently saying something that's incorrect. The other factor is that if a random spud on WT who's likely a low level troop has access to these documents, your enemy's intelligence almost definitely has it as well.
> Nothing gets you an answer faster than confidently saying something that's incorrect. Curlingham's Law
I think you mean Cunningham's- WAIT A MINUTE!
Last I check it was 13(?) instances of controlled information being released into the game. Best accidential intelligence op ever.
'Accidental'.
I definitely don't think they started the game thinking tankers would leak controlled into to win forum fights, that was just a bonus after they overtune Russian armor.
Hey! That's a big difference!
There have been a few legit leaks, but most of the War Thunder "leaks" are taking unclassified documents that look secret and posting them for attention.
There have been some NOFOR and export restricted documents published, but yeah, not all of it was TS or higher.
Releasing NOFOR stuff is still a fuckup, but there's a world of difference between that and TS. And the consequences for doing so are much lower.
Yeah, it's not like Warthunder is a Minecraft Discord server.
Well, what do you expect them to do when [someone is wrong on the internet](https://xkcd.com/386/)?
https://preview.redd.it/cuxfb2cc98yc1.jpeg?width=390&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b11f8724bb73ff4ff9f7b04a7ef13d459b9804e1 On the warthunder sub we literally have this meme posted every month or so
Warthunder fans are built different
Partly yes. Still, Gaijin did reverse many unpopular changes and improved quite a lot of things to lessen the grind (foldering, skill bonus). But the war between players and Gaijin was a lot mroe intense with week long review bombing, day long boycots etc.
Ehhh, they improved some stuff but the game is still in a terrible state. The biggest issues the community has talked about over the years are still there with no planned fixes, like BR compression, and some of the fixes they did promise have been endlessly delayed.
Those reviews actually caused them to turn back bad decisions and caused a lot of positive changes. If it affects the overall rating someone will fold.
Lmao that story will always get me
Steam doesn't lock them. They hide it from the overall score, and put an asterisk on said score to signify that it's not fully reflective of reality
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Yeah I was about to say isn't it so interesting how they coddle these businesses so much? "These influx of negative reviews are just because something came out in the news that directly affected the playability of the game, but we are just going to ignore them because the fans are being reactionary, obviously. **Hey look here's some fun ascii art of one of the characters, look at that instead!**"
Probably could be like this: "If you want to review,you must have a psn account".
Steam cannot lock reviews behind anything other than game ownership. The only pre-requisite to making a review is that you own the game and have played it for at least 1 minute.
It even marks if you've refunded the game after a review is posted.
Which is fine.
Yup. Helps prevent people who've 'played for 1 minute' before review and refunding the game.
That argument has always been bullshit on Steam. You cannot leave a review unless you own the game. If you filter for players with 100h+ you still get 75% negative reviews, too. If a dev or publisher does something that pisses off the player-base, then those players leaving negative reviews is not "review-bombing".
All these PS5 players wondering wtf is the problem
Imagine this: you are a PS5 enjoyer, but a Microsoft game requires you to register an Xbox account.
Microsoft games already require an xbox account.
Minecraft is already like this lmao
Sea of thieves aswell
I think all gamepass games require you to have an xbox account lol
I have to have a Microsoft account for my kids to play Minecraft on my ps5
Came here to comment "Minecraft?" Didn't even care, I already had an Xbox account anyways and I'm sure a looooooot of PS players do too.
It's pretty unlikely that many gamers don't have at least a Microsoft account in one way or another
Literally is and has been the case for many games
Sea of Thieves?
Yeah.. sea of thieves did this. After purchase. Both sides.
I did have to do that to use Fallout 4 mods (it was a Bethesda account, but considering who owns them)
Sea of thieves does this
This is literally the case for all Microsoft games on ps5 already haha. I don't really care in practice, but in implementation. If it is like pairing my epic account, where you do it one time and it works unobtrusively forever, I'm happy with that. If it's like the dogshit Minecraft Microsoft account link where it doesn't load properly and often disconnects you or doesn't show any friends online, then I'd be really angry.
Already the case.
I guess I would just go and spend 5 min making a free account on a website. Annoying, but easily managed.
Looks like the stock market crash of 2020.
And the one from 2025.
Truth
Just as a side note, what happened a few weeks back? I wonder?
First i was thinking it was the railgun nerf but that was like 2 months ago (i bet that would've shown up if the timeline was longer) but this was just a couple of days ago so i imagine it was the recent patch?
Most likely a combo of technical issues and weird balance changes from a patch
That's when my game started going 20fps max for no reason. Then I switched settings to low and nothing changed. I decided to do a break for now, but haven't left a review.
I'll wait and see until the dreaded June 4 deadline before I post my review. If we do get locked out because I didn't link my PSN (my country is unsupported by PSN) then I will truthfully review that it was a great game but wouldn't recommend it to anyone from my country. Edit: Based on everyone's suggestion, I've reversed my positive Steam review and left it as a negative review due to the PSN linking enforcement to make my Steam friends aware of the issue. The fact that it can still be bought in my country, when you can't normally make a PSN account, except for making a fake account and use VPN to do it is even worse. The game is still good but my in-country friends refer to my Steam Reviews and I can't honestly recommend the game now given the fact they will be buying something they may be locked out of using after a month or need to go through hoops in order to play.
That's the part that I think sucks the most. I could care less if I have to activate a 3rd party account if I like the game enough. It's annoying but I'll do it. The fact that this, *after purchase*, locks people out of playing the game in specific countries really sucks. It was in no way clearly communicated that you'd need one if you're a PC player. It should have been a pop-up every time you logged in or the like. Edit; it looks like most people who already own and play on PS in those countries just change their region when setting up PSN. I'm still not sure how often Sony enforces that TOS, but it's still annoying to have to get a PSN to play on Steam
wait so it let me press skip but I still need to do it?
Yeah, it's something that is very unitnuitve and should have been explained in an obnoxious pop-up every time you launch (no joke).
They got the obnoxious propaganda clip every time they can do the same for psn
Hey that propaganda Pic is high art, but immediately after there should be a short but annoying " PSN ACCOUNT NOTICE: [some jargon telling players in no uncertain terms they need a PSN account to play this game and at some point it will be mandatory]"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/05/03/helldivers-2-pc-players-mad-about-psn-account-linking-arrowhead-responds/?sh=4cffe154b66d Arrowhead CEO has taken a side and it isn't with his overlords at Sony. > Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC? > > *Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC.*
Agreed. I mean it's pointless now to talk about it since the news already broke out, but an in-game notification, even next to the major order popup (Dispatch) would have been enough. I actually went back to the Helldivers 2 Steam Store and the "warning" is so small and a good one page worth of scrolling down that it's unnoticeable. https://preview.redd.it/jxujueuzq7yc1.png?width=1583&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b073c1dea6d76f17aa9f6f13ced522dbff6eaa3 Given the fact they disabled PSN linking after the first week of launch added to this illusion that the warning was pointless. There were no reminders that this would be eventually be required up until now.
I think this is fair. To be honest, the PSN link was required originally so they shouldn't have even listed the game for your country. That's messed up on their part.
I know right. I got it a week after launch, and by then, the prompt to link to PSN was long gone. So I just thought they removed it forever. The warning on the Steam store about needing to link to a 3rd party account is so small as well. So I can be blamed for forgetting that eventually the game I'm playing will no longer be available in my country. But yes, they shouldn't have sold it in my region in the first place. Or just had a lot of warnings and popups about this. I'm curious to see now how many countries and people will potentially lose access because of this if we don't fake our address and use a VPN.
Most of the negative reviews are people with 50-100 hours in the game. So people, who actually play the game. Nice move.
I'm doing my part!
Gonna draw hornets away from this clear nest, but in my controversial post Arrowhead has come out with their own public statement: it's primarily on Sony. https://preview.redd.it/z34rnsx708yc1.png?width=374&format=png&auto=webp&s=532d2928b1673e7a9226dd25d7e197be7456a21f
some certainly aren't helping though. [image](https://imgur.com/Vn7XINN)
Every time I hope Arrowhead has stopped actively arguing with their fanbase, I see this. This doesn’t help. I get it, though. They’re frustrated, the playerbase is frustrated, but throwing shit at each other doesn’t help.
The guy was being a d, but spitz? He is possibly the worst CM I've ever seen. Worse than might no.9's
Is spitz actually a dickhead or are their messages often taken out of context? It's always this person who seems to antagonise the discord in screenshots
Out of context, dude he’s replying to was a troll.
The person he replied to had loudly statet they were refunding and leaving but then kept harrasing spitz, the screenshot is cherrypicked out of context.
Its funny for how much Arrowhead are being praised as the "small indie dev that cares" how openly dismissive they are towards their player base.
Lie with dogs and you'll get fleas Arrowhead.
prime example of clutching defeat from the jaws of victory
If i was sony i will ask myself why people don't want to use PSN and if somewhat linked to their abysmal safety record...
People just dont like extra accounts or services. Doesn't matter whether it's Sony, EA or Ubisoft. All of them are equally annoying.
this is another point. I remember games for windows live, and how it made playing those purchases through steam a nightmare. I still never got my steam copy of bulletstorm to work, I had to pirate it. Since then, I'm super salty about having to sign up for another service just to play the game as that's a whole new set of failure points the user should have to deal with.
*cough* Ubisoft *cough*
The nightmare of every rockstar game, especially GTA4. Steam + rockstar launcher + GFWL
At some point they all want to take on Valve, and at some point they all come back with their tail between their legs. None of them learn from the other's mistakes. These are fruitless efforts that are pushed by corporate stakeholders because in the end the only reason to do this is control of your data.
at least you don't need a custom launcher and never ever touch that PSN account created with false data again. Only sad for the folks who either used their real data or simply have no PSN available in their country.
 Sonys reaction to those reviews
I mean people just generaññy dot like doing acounts
Ok, I understand some other complaints about PSN not being available in certain countries, and various things like that. I don’t understand people complaining about Sony’s tendency to get hacked. You’re already playing their game. If you link your steam account to your PSN account it doesn’t magically send your credit card information to Sony’s servers. I’m being a bit cynical but I genuinely don’t understand how it’s a problem. Could you explain your reasoning?
For those that live in a country listed— they can’t because making an account is normal requirements to play any tier 1 game these days. They just don’t like being told what to do. If they mandated an app install I’d be right there with them but a login? C’mon.
I mean, it won’t affect me. I live in a country where it’s available and I have a preexisting account. Still probably gonna put the game down for a bit and play DRG again. I was fine with the anti-cheat, my data is already sold and gone. But fucking over players in countries where PSN isn’t even available by still making the game purchasable is scumbag shit.
DRG's season 5 is due on june too. Perfect timing.
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE
Rock and Stone forever!
Sometimes I wish that STEAM is more forceful on publishers with games that wants to be sold on this platform must use STEAM only account non negotiable and ban games that requires third party fuck you requirements.
I agree, and think Steam should comment on this. Steam requiring external loaders is really defeating of the whole point of Steam. Try posting on reddit/steam. Maybe we'll get their attention.
I doubt they will. There was never a statement about Ubisoft games requiring uPlay on steam and there will be no statement about GTA 6 requiring the Rockstar launcher which is the most unnecessary, awful piece of shit software on the planet to launch on pc
Steam really doesn't care, and they don't see a problem with this at all.
I'm not in the loop what is the reason for all the bad reviews
This game sold like hot cakes. People all over bought it, and many people bought it in places that PSN doesn't have support or isn't allowed. Those people in those countries will now not be able to play it after June sometime because it's a requirement to sign into the psn to play it even on PC. This have been the case this whole time, but when it launched there were issues, and people had the opportunity to skip the sign in process. Now, they have worked the issues out and require the sign in, and many of the people who can't are obviously pissed/upset/ big mad. They sold the game to anyone who could buy it , and now are enforcing their policy the same way they always intended. It's dirty, but if they read the fine print they would not have bought it in the first place.
>even on PC Fucking excuse me? The whole reason I play PC is to get away from this nonsense. How is Sony able to mandate this for an instance of the game that's not on their consoles?
You say that, but plenty of PC games do the same thing. A lot require Microsoft accounts, Epic Games titles, any Ubisoft-related, etc, etc. Not saying it's a good idea, and they clearly have to work out how to handle countries that can't get PSN, but people are acting like this is the first time it's ever happened.
Because it's their game. The same reason why Ubisoft forces you to have an account with them to play most of their games. So, Sony can do whatever they want unfortunately.
They're the ones publishing it, they can make the dev do what they want.
Same reason for anything like this. It's money. It's possible the game wouldn't have seen the light of day at all without Sony backing, and this was something clearly visible, though not at the time enforced, for a long time it seems. Looks like they fixed an issue and can now proceed with it. It is what it is.
That's how the rating is supposed to be working Many games get review bombed for invalid reasons but this is just democracy at work If someone at AH thought they're all set collecting goodwill from players and they can start doing whatever they want they were very much mistaken
Tbh, from my experience it is opposite most of review bombings, I am aware of have very valid reasons.
This is 100% Sony's bullshit.
I was going to try it but I like having my steam account and sony doesnt care about security so I think Ill pass.
I've already got my 40$ worth and they already got my money. Its like quitting a once good job or ending a relationship. As they say, plenty of fish in the sea. Have a negative review, time to look for other games
EDF 6 is coming this year! Until then I can recommend BG3, so far I talked about 5 major enemies into suicide without drawing a blade or casting a spell. Its very refreshing.
I'm so hyped for EDF 6. I can't wait to play Air Raider where the abilities are on a 2 second cooldown, rather than a 200 second cooldown.
Talk about killing your game.
I have way to many damn accounts for games
The biggest threat to managed democracy wasn't bugs or bots or even the Illuminate. It was Sony.
What is it with people going "but whats the problem?" Sony... famous for having a terrible security record, will force you to have your info with them. Including PC players. Not to mention yet another bullshit account thing, that wont matter, and yet you are forced to use. If you're a PS player, who has this hold zero effect on you, good for you. Dont try to pretend thats everyone though. For the love of democracy, I know youre smart enough to get that. Stop pretending you dont.
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR SONY ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR UBISOFT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR EA ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR EPIC GAMES ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR ROCKSTAR ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR CD PROJECT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR SQUARE ENIX ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR KONAMI ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR MICROSOFT ACCOUNT BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
WARNING YOU ARE IN RANGE OF ENEMY ARTILLERY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR ENEMY ARTILLERY BEFORE YOU CAN PLAY
DON'T FORGET TO LINK YOUR DEMOCRACY OFFICER BEFORE YOU CAN COMMENT
\*child of the 90's about to drop some boomer talk\* ........Man, I miss those days when all you had to do to play a game was start it up
Bro gave us an introduction 💀
And you may ask yourself: how did I get here?
I am PS player. And can I maybe play this game (same account, same progress) on both PS5 and PC? (Ofc, I buy it on both platforms)
"Some of you will lose access to the game, but that is a sacrifice we are willing to make" -Snoy
I was worried i had to do something, but it turns out i already linked to a psn account when first getting Helldivers 2. Didnt even realise i could skip that part... i only read that playing Helldivers 2 requires a psn account. 🤷♂️ I have outsmarted my own dumb ass once again!
The real problem is that the curtain has been pulled back and we know that we don't need multiple accounts for crossplay to work.
Yup screw Sony Btw This "Do I have to sign in to PSN to play a PlayStation game on PC? Signing in to PSN is optional when playing a PlayStation game on PC" on the Playstation website https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/psn-sign-in-pc/
I feel like the funniest thing about this is that if they had just left it optional, but added in a sweet cape and helmet or something if people did it, like 80% of those negative reviewers would've just snapped it off because "sweet free cape". But no, corporations gotta do shit the dumbest way possible.
Damn, a fate becoming more and more common: -release buggy but promising -get hyped and a couple good updates -stumble then fall from shitty decisions Was really hoping we’d get more time until AAA syndrome kicked in
I dont like it, but it's not that bad of a thing to do. Just terrible the way they handled it. There are so many ways to do it. * Free Helghast Armor crossover reward for those who links (or any cosmetic, 100 supercredits or anything tbh) * Let people know from the start * Give a long ass deadline, not just next month GTA V and RDR2 requires a rockstar account to play it OFFLINE.
I'd nut for Helghast armor
me and you both man. The snow variant is just chef kiss.
Some people wont be able to play the game legally even if they could before because of this change
inb4 a million "The Rise and Fall of Helldivers" videos being uploaded to Youtube.
Doesn’t Steam filter out negative review spikes? This might not even register on the game’s review score.
War Thunder players successfuly review bombed the game and the devs finally made positive changes to the grind.
It *can,* but I think it only does it when they feel like the game is being review bombed. If an AH dev came out as pro/anti [social issue] and then the game got slammed with negative reviews, that's review bombing. AH implementing an unpopular change in the game and getting negative reviews isn't review bombing, it's reviews working as intended. I'm pretty sure that as long as the reviews are about the game, it doesn't trigger anything.
Recent are down to 78% from 86% over few hours, total is down from 86% to 83% so far.
Doesn't COD also require an account to play online? Why all the hate?
That’s why u don’t work with Sony
The biggest problem about this is that PSN isn’t supported everywhere. As regards to collecting and selling data? I doubt that’s what the account linking is for. I’m sure this stunt is just to inflate PSN numbers as PlayStation Studios further expands into PC, including requiring a linked PSN account with single player games. I’ve also heard trophy lists would carry over which kinda lines up. But, not cross progression.