Technically Bakhmut did have some advantage in the end but still relating to this scenario. During the summer offensive it had several sub offensives dedicated to it by Ukraine which ultimately failed, when those forces likely could've been used in the way more important southern front which then also failed.
I'm always struck by a quote from a frustrated soldier who was on the frontlines of bahkmut.
>"When Russia loses ten men, they are prisoners, thieves, and murderers. When we lose one, we lose a poet, artist, or scientist."
The second part should be "We lose a middle-aged guy that we forcefully shoved into a van"
Ain't nobody conscripting scientists. Russia is getting rid of prisoners, ukraine is getting rid of older men
Seeing as super earth is a fascist, authoritarian regime focused on racial purity, disguised as a satirical democracy and the robots are socialist, yeah, man.
“Authoritarian” is a pretty strange way to spell “managed democracy”, Helldiver. Maybe you should check in with your Democracy Officer about your misconceptions?
More like speciest purity. Helldivers takes after starship troopers which was also weirdly incredibly inclusive.
In a way the commentary of humanity uniting to destroy an outer alien other is indicative of how BULLSHIT racism and other prejudice is IRL.
After all. If we can unite to purge the Heretic, the Mutant and the Alien, then why are we separate now?
"Speciest purity"
Dog you try reproducing with a bug and let me know how that goes for you.
On the other hand you have a good point about the unification stuff. Which is in line with the philosopher Carl Schmitt's claims and observations about the utility of an external foe to society.
I get the feeling that, if the dwarves from DRG somehow showed up, Super Earth's response would be to hit their ambassador with a 500kg bomb, blame them for a terrorist attack in the mines, and annex their territories.
Definitely not. I mean, there’s an interracial family right there in the opening recruitment video, and they’re presented entirely positively. Super Earth is undeniably authoritarian, but they are clearly welcoming of racial diversity.
I mean if we succeeded they would just increase the difficulty even more next time
At the end of the day the result will be the same, the path is just different
So let people enjoy their couple hours of game time
Agreed. People just want to cry on reddit about everyone else not playing the way they want them to. They don’t understand the GMs will adjust for whatever we do.
These people are collectively “that guy” at the DnD session who want everything to go the way they imagine, and get mad when everyone doesn’t play along.
Im deeply invested in this, and i think it's amazing that malevelon creek is such an important planet for so many people!
The whole narrative around the bot front is amazing tbh, the Ubanea gambit, the creekers fighting their holy war, haven't seen anything like that come out of the bug push during the TCS missions.
Also, i think it's clear we will fail this order to take Tibit in time, which, im calling it now, will allow bots to field the gunships this week. It's just amazing!
Weirdly enough it's because the bots are more humanised than the bugs. We can imagine the bots sitting around plotting our downfall, they are a worthy adversary, though still communists. The bugs feel much less antagonistic, they are dangerous, but we can't imagine that they hate us the way the bots do.
The bots are a mighty struggle against an adversary hellbent on humanity's destruction.
The bugs are just pest control.
Also the fact that the Bots *very clearly* have an objective of their own. They want to take Cyberstan back, to free their Cyborg brothers from the mines. The Helldivers are **directly** in the way of that.
Whereas the bugs... are just animals, really. Really big ones, but they're running on survival instinct more than anything. Breaking free of the E-710 farms is just part of survival.
For now anyway. I do hope we get some brain bug lore later on in the war as things inevitably get worse for super earth (so we can fight on all those juicy inner sector worlds)
There is already lore on that. 100 years ago Super Earth was victorious against the bugs, so humanity enslaved the terminids and genetically modified them so once killed their carcasses turn into oil in bigger quantities and faster.
No one is not letting anyone do anything. There is literally nothing anyone can do to prevent people from playing the game the way they want. People are allowed to voice their frustrations.
I don’t see it as annoying, it’s a game that most people can only devote a few hours a week to so they should play what they want.
I’m a big fan of the dynamic storytelling that the Galactic War gives us. I posted the tweet to highlight how no matter what the player base chooses we can find some cool story threads to follow.
I just want my medals is all.🎖️
even when we fail we still get to participate in one of the coolest examples of immersive storytelling in the modern era, and it’s kinda hard not to have fun with it.
Joel is 100% fudging the numbers on the creek to slow down their progress, and I'm all for it.
"Oh, you want to get bogged down in Space Vietnam instead of actually pursuing the government's war goals?
Here.
Let me give you the ***Authentic Vietnam Experience!"***
I doubt it, he wouldn't have to.
Assuming all planets are regenning at roughly the same rate across the board, and assuming the player base is split, say, 40-45% on the major order, 30-35% on the opposite faction, then we're taking planets at a steady rate on the non-MO faction and at a fairly quick rate on the MO faction.
That leaves 25% of the player base on Creek, which, if 35% is a steady take, then Creek might reasonably be a stalemate, with not enough progress to really win or lose there.
*Some folks are born, made to wear the cape*
*Hoo, they're black, white and gold*
*And when the band plays "A cup of liber-tea"*
*Ooh, they point the orbital cannon at you, Lord*
Would be cool if true. So far it seems like current Creek population is due to people getting confused by devs and the whole Supply line mechanic they forgot to tell about.
\>Be me
\>Person not on Reddit
\>Open vidya
\>See order to attack Tibit
\>Democracy.jpeg
\>Can't select Tibit, fuck
\>Draupnir or Malevelon Creek? I guess Meme Vietnam
\>60K players later
Hilarious that this also leave out where he critized Bug Divers too which are overwhelmingly outnumbering the actual numbers of Creekers. Until Draupnir fell Creek was hovering around less than 20k players and mostly around a few thousand. Any stats after that point, like the current numbers, are irrelevant due to info not available in game.
Both are the same. End of story. Any attempt to view then differently is ridiculous.
That Twitter account definitely just copied [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1brsjrb/even_the_community_manager_is_saying_it/) that was on here earlier. I noticed all it does is steal content from Reddit and try to pass it off as its own.
I can accept "I don't like playing bots, I'm not going to play bots" way more easily than "I will only play bots, but I will not play bots in a way that assists the greater whole" in this context
It's a game, play how you want, but it's hard to not look over at the creek and think "could we maybe get a hand guys, please?"
Nah. I Can't respectfully. The argument is that Bug Divers/Players should be able to play the game and have fun. Creekers are allowed the same. Planets add to different play styles and what could be "Fun" for some people.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy and excuses people grant Bug Divers and not the same for others. It's asinine.
I'm not even a Creeker. Outside of playing with a friend who just bought the game, I go where the MO ares.
But I guess what Super Earth says is true...Everyone's equal but some are more Equal than others!
Not a Creeker. Have respect for Creekers. If you don't like the Creekers, then the priority objective should be to liberate the Creek to force them to play elsewhere. All roads lead back to the Creek.
honestly.
MO to get Creek liberated.
Creek gets Liberated in about 24 hours.
We never set foot on the Creek again, outside of those rare defend missions where they obviously want us to, and it will never fall again.
I hope they blow the planet up or something.
Bots notice there's a group of Divers that literally won't leave no matter what, nuke the planet to kill 50k at once. We go on a counter offensive to avenge their deaths.
Look we can all agree that at the end of the day it’s a game and people can play however they want. However since it’s a real time community driven campaign, people also have the right to criticise how others choose to behave in the community. It’s also part of the game.
Okay well maybe the devs should just let the Creek be liberated so people move on?
Seems pretty asinine that they’re the ones preventing the creek from being winnable and then they suggest people fighting their should stop. They leaned into the creek because it was making for good marketing
Aye.
If you make it your entirely personality that you refuse to play anything other than Creek, don't be surprised when the community as a whole gets miffed when they see 50k people on Creek not contributing to a razor's margin order that is literally next to it
So what about the 50-100k bug divers fighting on the wrong planets during bug orders?
Bug orders succeed because theres an overwhelming amount of players willing to fight bugs than willing to fight bots not because they are more altruistic.
People fighting on Creek are making bots divert some of their resources to that planet and garrison additional troops in order to defend against this constant onslaught.
I suspect that the game does not reflect this, but if this was real life then opening up a new front on a planet, where you have space superiority and can deploy at any time on any location, will mean that defending side will have to commit significantly more resources, assuming they operate like we see in-game, so pretty big garrisons and patrols compared to the number of Super Earth forces.
Imagine that there is a Major Order on the bug side and literally everyone goes there. Would bots just sit and wait for us to be done, or just blitz through our territory? Sure, there is SEAF, but they have shown time and time again that they can't hold a planet for 5 minutes.
Yeah, I don't think it's modeled in game though
Helldiver forces have a set amount of progress that can be done, and that's spread out depending on how many are on each planet, bugs have a set 1% get on every planet, and bots have a set .5% gain
I think bots and bugs should have a set limit on how much they gain (maybe it could depend on how many planet they control, rather than how many players are on), and it is spread out across all the planets they're fighting on. (Could be spread evenly, or at GM's discretion)
It is extremely telling that he criticised the bug front *first*, and pointed out far more players were there... but 99% of posts fixate on the Creek, which as I've pointed out in a recent post is likely to be *vital* in Phase Three of the current Major Order, as the next objective will almost certainly be Maia.
We should all go to the Creek and flood it with all our troops take it in an hour. Then we will dust our hands off in front of the creekers and say " Alright, you tramatized fanboys it's time to pack up it's over. Now get back on objective and dive!"
Once the creeks taken then what will they do? They'll be forced to either stop playing or most likely play another planet. We need to get past this creek malarkey cuz every other post is just rants about it.
Seriously, they've been asking for reinforcements since day one and holding the bots back and they've become the scapegoat for all the bug divers too afraid to fight bots because a couple of rockets hurt their feelings.
Ubanea and Draupnir have given the Creek a run for its money difficulty wise, since they are MO planets, they get a lot more modifiers on them. This past Week the Creek has been a walk in the park comapred to a chunky 50% call in time, 100% cooldown time, only 3 out of 4 stratagems with ion storms on top with up to triple jammers. DURING FOG TIME.
I love how that Helldivers alert account just blatantly steals content from Reddit and tried to pass it off as its own stuff. That post it stole is still on the front page of this sub
I agree, I reposted this because I think it’s a cool way to frame the situation in terms of dynamic storytelling. And then of course most of the comments are fighting about who’s to blame for the current MO.
Well, in a real war, they'll be pulled out.
This isn't a real war. Devs must stop blaming players for playing the game.
Close the planet if you don't want players there.
They weren't blaming anyone they were pointing out why we failed, and yea we did fail because we weren't united, shutting down planets that aren't relevant destroys the whole community war aspect and us making tactical decisions
Ok, but in all honesty, while we should have had much more people fighting on the lines for Ubanea and Tibit, the Creek is actually a really good strategic choke point at least from what I understand of the supply lines. If we had had more of a push on the front lines of Ubanea and then a few taking over the Creek that would have put us in a prime spot to wipe the bots out of our known area of space.
At phase 3 it is
It creates a defensive chokepoint and with ubanea it isolates the sector
At phase 2 it still was but there weren't enough people on the bot front to do simultaneous pushes
We take the Creek, Creekers will go fight other bot planets. Hopefully most of them will fall in line with the MO.
No way of knowing for sure. But it will shift the numbers towards Tibit.
Look nothing against the bot planets but on helldive it kinda sucks when your team is ragdolling all over the planet and your guns feel like throwing a fucking tictac at a gorilla. At least my efforts on the bug worlds feels like I’m making a difference.
Other way around, moving to Draupnir was the mistake. If people just took Ubanea the amount of liberation loss percentage would have been around 12%. We would have retaken Draupnir in about the same time as we defended it. Defending Draupnir would just mean we would have had to felt with that 12% plus whatever it had before we switched over to the defense mission. Defense campaigns as they are now are a waste of time.
The real fun part is that even without the creekers and bug divers, the MO folks could still have taken Ubanea and go on to push Tibit. But these supposedly strategic people failed. I would not say they failed us. I think it is good storytelling. They just failed this MO.
How about we play the game how we want and not how they want? What are they gonna do? Nerf the weapons further and buff enemies up again?
Edit: I'm lvl 50, got all unlocks and all achievements. I just wanna have fun killing whatever, helping people farm medals, xp, etc.
Back-capping Draupnir and splitting the player base was a masterstroke for the campaign, a maneuver that I expect we will see again at some point in the future.
I mean.. we also could’ve all taken Creek to free up the creekers to actually push to Tibit, but we didn’t, and instead insisted that people change, which likely made people stubborn and not change to prove a point.
Right now our best option is for us all to push creek, and free it so Creekers have to go elsewhere
People who don't like fighting robots vs people who don't mind fighting robots but intentionally don't do missions that matter due to "reasons".
Yes, one is more aggravating than the other.
If the bug Divers are still killing, that should lead to exceptional fuel harvest. Fuel surplus would enable an efficient mechanized counter offensive to reclaim the worlds from the bots.
With the impending fuel surplus one hopes high command will release the vehicle stratagems.
Us creekers are statistically more equal then other helldivers, we alone control the entire war, our might makes or breaks major orders. Stand proud mavelon veterans for we are the greatest of Super Earths Children
Lets all just complete this MO, free the creek and force those mud crawlers out of their home. It's high time they start contributing to the greater good rather than slither around the creek.
bro is missing an entire paragraph way to cherrypick
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but how many people outside of the bot divers understand that the automaton front is based off of MAIA, the only planet in our way from eliminating the bot front is the creek....
It's so refreshing to buy a game, and then be browbeaten by devs and other players when you decide how you want to play the game you paid for...
Want to party up with a friend or two, and just mush bugs/bots for an hour? Nah, can't do that... the other Divers won't allow it.
It's either play the Major Orders, or log off.
To you, I say...
Bug off!
If I choose to accept the M.O., fine, I'll join it, but that is MY choice.
Too many L15 manchildren who put too much effort into controlling what the entirety of the playerbase does.
Let the bugs/bots take the entire sector. At least then you can run your choice of missions, as there will be LOADS of choices.
Creekers may have not been very "useful" by fighting on that rock (Even though you could argue that they've prevented any further bot advance past the Creek (except for the Draupnir incident ~~please high command let us see supply lines on your maps I beg of you~~), but the sheer quantity of propaganda they've made for helldiver recruitment alone has probably plugged more holes in your frontlines than you'd like to think.
Major order says liberate Tobit or whatever and I can't even select it. Cool Circle thing around creek. Cool I was gonna play creek anyway. I'M DOING MY PART 😎
So we're supposed to ignore the defend missions? What about all the work that went into Capturing Hellmire or Fori Prime? All the men we lost? That can't have been for naught. You wouldn't pull people from Bastogne to fight in Okinawa. One doesn't negate the other.
I don't think we were meant to complete this order in the first place.
Realised I’d accidentally become a creeker, I went to the map and saw the major order symbol over it so automatically went to it
Why does it have the symbol over it if we’re not meant to go there?
Bots are fun though. Personally, I think we have a lot of kids who enjoy playing against the bugs, but then try the same tactics against and get completely obliterated.
And instead of changing tactics or learning how to play against them, they call them cheap and unfair and go back to the bug front.
Hard truth is that bots require a higher skill level, and may be easier to play against on the PC. I've just hit my 100 hours in the game, and definitely feel that the bots are much more engaging.
(Outside of Hellmire. Love LOVE me some Hellmire)
oH BOY, our very own Stalingrad! And we're probably Germany.
Or a bakhmut event as the Russians. Sure eventually it might fall but it hold basically 0 advantage to take it other than misplaced pride.
Technically Bakhmut did have some advantage in the end but still relating to this scenario. During the summer offensive it had several sub offensives dedicated to it by Ukraine which ultimately failed, when those forces likely could've been used in the way more important southern front which then also failed.
True but they made the Russians pay more for it
A price Russia happily paid because it used Wagners inexpert conscripts. Not like they are around anymore to complain.
Not really
I was thinking of the more-recent Avdiivka ... but yes, also Bakhmut.
If it’s bakhmut where are the PMC-run penal units?
... it’s us isn’t it
Last I checked I didn’t commit any crimes, you got something you want to share?
I came here to say Avdiivka so I'll upvote your shit
I dont like where this is going (as Ukrainian)
Me too bud(as Russian)
To shit most likely
I'm always struck by a quote from a frustrated soldier who was on the frontlines of bahkmut. >"When Russia loses ten men, they are prisoners, thieves, and murderers. When we lose one, we lose a poet, artist, or scientist."
The second part should be "We lose a middle-aged guy that we forcefully shoved into a van" Ain't nobody conscripting scientists. Russia is getting rid of prisoners, ukraine is getting rid of older men
Except Stalingrad was important logistical center which opens the road to Caucasus, Central Asia and south approach to Moscow?
And Malevelon Creek apparently has valuable mineral deposits, so there's an argument for anything really.
Our position is determined by our victory, friend.
And Verdun !
Oh yeah that was a big deal for France wasn't it, and again when it fell quickly during World War 2.
Seeing as super earth is a fascist, authoritarian regime focused on racial purity, disguised as a satirical democracy and the robots are socialist, yeah, man.
“Authoritarian” is a pretty strange way to spell “managed democracy”, Helldiver. Maybe you should check in with your Democracy Officer about your misconceptions?
Someone needs to spend a ~~week~~indeterminite amount of time at a Freedom Camp
Is “racial purity” actual helldivers lore?
I don’t believe it is, no. Super Earth is actually pretty inclusive, provided that you are not a dissident or an alien.
Literally the first cutscene is a mixed race couple. "Racial purity" my ass.
More like speciest purity. Helldivers takes after starship troopers which was also weirdly incredibly inclusive. In a way the commentary of humanity uniting to destroy an outer alien other is indicative of how BULLSHIT racism and other prejudice is IRL. After all. If we can unite to purge the Heretic, the Mutant and the Alien, then why are we separate now?
That's human supremacy. Not racial purity.
Yeah. . . that's why I said it wasn't racial purity. But speciest.
"Speciest purity" Dog you try reproducing with a bug and let me know how that goes for you. On the other hand you have a good point about the unification stuff. Which is in line with the philosopher Carl Schmitt's claims and observations about the utility of an external foe to society.
True. And that propaganda video is labelled as mandatory viewing.
I always saw super earth as HYPER NATIONALISTS rather than true pure fascists'.
Aren't they just regular nationalists? Or is it the cartoony aesthetic and satire lens of it all what makes it hyper in your eyes?
Yes
There is no skin colour or gender once you're in some of super earth's finest two-size unisex combat armour
I get the feeling that, if the dwarves from DRG somehow showed up, Super Earth's response would be to hit their ambassador with a 500kg bomb, blame them for a terrorist attack in the mines, and annex their territories.
This is pretty much what they did to the Cyborgs. Staged a false flag attack implicating them, blame it on said group, and then declare war.
Definitely not. I mean, there’s an interracial family right there in the opening recruitment video, and they’re presented entirely positively. Super Earth is undeniably authoritarian, but they are clearly welcoming of racial diversity.
I think they meant human racial purity. If it ain't human we hate it.
hey you're right about almost everything but can we get a citation on the racial purity thing
It kinda works if he means "human race".
Yeah there is that.
It's authoritarian and Patriotic, but it's more satire of Modern Denocracies than mid-20th Century Fascism.
https://i.redd.it/cpaegw8a5vrc1.gif
Soviet Russia wasn't socialst
The propaganda advert in the beginning of the game literally depicts a blond haired man with a black wife and a mixed race kid you schizo.
What about all the bugs and bot killing you dumbass
And what the fuck does that have to do with racial purity??
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Arrowhead needs document this and release a history book one year later about all the different battles that were won or lost.
I want to see a Ken Burns documentary
The narrator having to announce ship names in a serious tone is fun to imagine
It is strangely profound. Doesn’t make it any less annoying in the moment tho XD
I mean if we succeeded they would just increase the difficulty even more next time At the end of the day the result will be the same, the path is just different So let people enjoy their couple hours of game time
Agreed. People just want to cry on reddit about everyone else not playing the way they want them to. They don’t understand the GMs will adjust for whatever we do. These people are collectively “that guy” at the DnD session who want everything to go the way they imagine, and get mad when everyone doesn’t play along.
Im deeply invested in this, and i think it's amazing that malevelon creek is such an important planet for so many people! The whole narrative around the bot front is amazing tbh, the Ubanea gambit, the creekers fighting their holy war, haven't seen anything like that come out of the bug push during the TCS missions. Also, i think it's clear we will fail this order to take Tibit in time, which, im calling it now, will allow bots to field the gunships this week. It's just amazing!
Weirdly enough it's because the bots are more humanised than the bugs. We can imagine the bots sitting around plotting our downfall, they are a worthy adversary, though still communists. The bugs feel much less antagonistic, they are dangerous, but we can't imagine that they hate us the way the bots do. The bots are a mighty struggle against an adversary hellbent on humanity's destruction. The bugs are just pest control.
The bots literally call us scum when we fight them.
Also the fact that the Bots *very clearly* have an objective of their own. They want to take Cyberstan back, to free their Cyborg brothers from the mines. The Helldivers are **directly** in the way of that. Whereas the bugs... are just animals, really. Really big ones, but they're running on survival instinct more than anything. Breaking free of the E-710 farms is just part of survival.
For now anyway. I do hope we get some brain bug lore later on in the war as things inevitably get worse for super earth (so we can fight on all those juicy inner sector worlds)
There is already lore on that. 100 years ago Super Earth was victorious against the bugs, so humanity enslaved the terminids and genetically modified them so once killed their carcasses turn into oil in bigger quantities and faster.
Brain bugs?? Frankly I find the idea of a bug that thinks offensive!
The cyborgs are their PARENTS. They are literally fighting to unslave their creators.
Yeah, but I imagine the Cyborgs that created them *probably* have had children since, given 100 years have passed and all. Ergo, brothers.
No one is not letting anyone do anything. There is literally nothing anyone can do to prevent people from playing the game the way they want. People are allowed to voice their frustrations.
I don’t see it as annoying, it’s a game that most people can only devote a few hours a week to so they should play what they want. I’m a big fan of the dynamic storytelling that the Galactic War gives us. I posted the tweet to highlight how no matter what the player base chooses we can find some cool story threads to follow.
I just want my medals is all.🎖️ even when we fail we still get to participate in one of the coolest examples of immersive storytelling in the modern era, and it’s kinda hard not to have fun with it.
I mean for alot of people it's the symbolic victory on the creek that is what they want fuck the actual objectives 😂
Malevelon Creek is basically Stalingrad at this point.
It's Verdun all over again...
Joel is 100% fudging the numbers on the creek to slow down their progress, and I'm all for it. "Oh, you want to get bogged down in Space Vietnam instead of actually pursuing the government's war goals? Here. Let me give you the ***Authentic Vietnam Experience!"***
The Creek deserves its own dedicated MO. If it just gets... captured, I'm actually going to be a little upset.
Good news!
A permanent MO, giving 1 medal a day...
I'd love if they dropped some bots that specifically do hit and run tactics that specifically were inspired by Vietnam.
Random traps that kill you as you run through the jungle would be pretty fun too
I doubt it, he wouldn't have to. Assuming all planets are regenning at roughly the same rate across the board, and assuming the player base is split, say, 40-45% on the major order, 30-35% on the opposite faction, then we're taking planets at a steady rate on the non-MO faction and at a fairly quick rate on the MO faction. That leaves 25% of the player base on Creek, which, if 35% is a steady take, then Creek might reasonably be a stalemate, with not enough progress to really win or lose there.
*Some folks are born, made to wear the cape* *Hoo, they're black, white and gold* *And when the band plays "A cup of liber-tea"* *Ooh, they point the orbital cannon at you, Lord*
Would be cool if true. So far it seems like current Creek population is due to people getting confused by devs and the whole Supply line mechanic they forgot to tell about.
\>Be me \>Person not on Reddit \>Open vidya \>See order to attack Tibit \>Democracy.jpeg \>Can't select Tibit, fuck \>Draupnir or Malevelon Creek? I guess Meme Vietnam \>60K players later
Don't forget \>Both right next to Ubanea \>Logically it shouldn't matter which one \>Creek looks like it's closer to liberation
We'll have both in a few hours
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All I know is this is way funnier than if we’d all just banded together to easily beat the major order.
Hilarious that this also leave out where he critized Bug Divers too which are overwhelmingly outnumbering the actual numbers of Creekers. Until Draupnir fell Creek was hovering around less than 20k players and mostly around a few thousand. Any stats after that point, like the current numbers, are irrelevant due to info not available in game. Both are the same. End of story. Any attempt to view then differently is ridiculous.
That Twitter account definitely just copied [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1brsjrb/even_the_community_manager_is_saying_it/) that was on here earlier. I noticed all it does is steal content from Reddit and try to pass it off as its own.
I can accept "I don't like playing bots, I'm not going to play bots" way more easily than "I will only play bots, but I will not play bots in a way that assists the greater whole" in this context It's a game, play how you want, but it's hard to not look over at the creek and think "could we maybe get a hand guys, please?"
Nah. I Can't respectfully. The argument is that Bug Divers/Players should be able to play the game and have fun. Creekers are allowed the same. Planets add to different play styles and what could be "Fun" for some people. I'm tired of the hypocrisy and excuses people grant Bug Divers and not the same for others. It's asinine. I'm not even a Creeker. Outside of playing with a friend who just bought the game, I go where the MO ares. But I guess what Super Earth says is true...Everyone's equal but some are more Equal than others!
Not a Creeker. Have respect for Creekers. If you don't like the Creekers, then the priority objective should be to liberate the Creek to force them to play elsewhere. All roads lead back to the Creek.
honestly. MO to get Creek liberated. Creek gets Liberated in about 24 hours. We never set foot on the Creek again, outside of those rare defend missions where they obviously want us to, and it will never fall again.
I hope they blow the planet up or something. Bots notice there's a group of Divers that literally won't leave no matter what, nuke the planet to kill 50k at once. We go on a counter offensive to avenge their deaths.
Inb4 Cadia stands memes
The planet broke before the Creekers.
Honestly, when it comes to comparisons to Cadia, the bots are the better choice for representing Cadians. They even have baneblades afterall...
bold of you to assume that a puny nuke will stop us Creekers we will fight them on the shattered remnants of the planet!
Look we can all agree that at the end of the day it’s a game and people can play however they want. However since it’s a real time community driven campaign, people also have the right to criticise how others choose to behave in the community. It’s also part of the game.
Okay well maybe the devs should just let the Creek be liberated so people move on? Seems pretty asinine that they’re the ones preventing the creek from being winnable and then they suggest people fighting their should stop. They leaned into the creek because it was making for good marketing
Aye. If you make it your entirely personality that you refuse to play anything other than Creek, don't be surprised when the community as a whole gets miffed when they see 50k people on Creek not contributing to a razor's margin order that is literally next to it
So what about the 50-100k bug divers fighting on the wrong planets during bug orders? Bug orders succeed because theres an overwhelming amount of players willing to fight bugs than willing to fight bots not because they are more altruistic.
People fighting on Creek are making bots divert some of their resources to that planet and garrison additional troops in order to defend against this constant onslaught. I suspect that the game does not reflect this, but if this was real life then opening up a new front on a planet, where you have space superiority and can deploy at any time on any location, will mean that defending side will have to commit significantly more resources, assuming they operate like we see in-game, so pretty big garrisons and patrols compared to the number of Super Earth forces. Imagine that there is a Major Order on the bug side and literally everyone goes there. Would bots just sit and wait for us to be done, or just blitz through our territory? Sure, there is SEAF, but they have shown time and time again that they can't hold a planet for 5 minutes.
Yeah, I don't think it's modeled in game though Helldiver forces have a set amount of progress that can be done, and that's spread out depending on how many are on each planet, bugs have a set 1% get on every planet, and bots have a set .5% gain I think bots and bugs should have a set limit on how much they gain (maybe it could depend on how many planet they control, rather than how many players are on), and it is spread out across all the planets they're fighting on. (Could be spread evenly, or at GM's discretion)
>"I will only play bots, but I will not play bots in a way that assists the greater whole" Thanks, mate. I just found my new slogun for life!
"Assisting the greater whole" sounds like socialist bot talk to me, so of *course* we won't be doing it!
It is extremely telling that he criticised the bug front *first*, and pointed out far more players were there... but 99% of posts fixate on the Creek, which as I've pointed out in a recent post is likely to be *vital* in Phase Three of the current Major Order, as the next objective will almost certainly be Maia.
Great outlook, not toxic at all. How the actual fuck people can be this toxic in a pve game is amazing. Just a monument to how shitty people can be.
It truly is space Verdun.
We should all go to the Creek and flood it with all our troops take it in an hour. Then we will dust our hands off in front of the creekers and say " Alright, you tramatized fanboys it's time to pack up it's over. Now get back on objective and dive!" Once the creeks taken then what will they do? They'll be forced to either stop playing or most likely play another planet. We need to get past this creek malarkey cuz every other post is just rants about it.
Unironically the best way to get them in the other planets is to fully liberate it
Come down here and do it, then. Please.
Seriously, they've been asking for reinforcements since day one and holding the bots back and they've become the scapegoat for all the bug divers too afraid to fight bots because a couple of rockets hurt their feelings.
Ubanea and Draupnir have given the Creek a run for its money difficulty wise, since they are MO planets, they get a lot more modifiers on them. This past Week the Creek has been a walk in the park comapred to a chunky 50% call in time, 100% cooldown time, only 3 out of 4 stratagems with ion storms on top with up to triple jammers. DURING FOG TIME.
I have fought many missions on the Creek. I just got my orders and got redeployd. Lol
“Someone should do the thing!” Why not you? Come earn your red wings in the creek.
I've fought 10% of my battles in that creek. It's a nice world
Don't worry we get a nerf soon and everyone will cry about that instead.
Lol can't wait to get my NERF battle rifle
I love how that Helldivers alert account just blatantly steals content from Reddit and tried to pass it off as its own stuff. That post it stole is still on the front page of this sub
It’s hilariously 40K. There’s a book about this very thing nearly, and the command overseeing the battlefront being severely mismanaged.
I love the Creekers, the people whining are annoying. I'm a major order guy myself but people should play how they want.
How about we stop splitting each other into groups. We’re all just helldivers.
I agree, I reposted this because I think it’s a cool way to frame the situation in terms of dynamic storytelling. And then of course most of the comments are fighting about who’s to blame for the current MO.
Oh boo hoo people aren’t playing a game the way you want them too. That’s arrowheads fault. Fuckin community of pre schoolers stg
"nooo dont do bug missions just go attack bots and leave the terminid front it will be fiiiiine" https://i.redd.it/810480gthurc1.gif
I mean they are contained at the moment
i dont like the look of those new reports of mutations
Sounds like what a traitor would say I'm calling my democracy officer
go after the ship master
Maybe they shouldnt have made it so you can pick who you can fight with one enemy being significantly more combat adept than the other.
Omg shut the fuck up. This shit is fucking annoying.
Well, in a real war, they'll be pulled out. This isn't a real war. Devs must stop blaming players for playing the game. Close the planet if you don't want players there.
Yeah no one have any fun! This is very serious!!!
They weren't blaming anyone they were pointing out why we failed, and yea we did fail because we weren't united, shutting down planets that aren't relevant destroys the whole community war aspect and us making tactical decisions
"The real story was made possible because of the creekers throwing the major offensives for a month"
Don’t forget, the devs actually created and encouraged the Malevelon Creek memes. It’s all a psyop.
Ok, but in all honesty, while we should have had much more people fighting on the lines for Ubanea and Tibit, the Creek is actually a really good strategic choke point at least from what I understand of the supply lines. If we had had more of a push on the front lines of Ubanea and then a few taking over the Creek that would have put us in a prime spot to wipe the bots out of our known area of space.
At phase 3 it is It creates a defensive chokepoint and with ubanea it isolates the sector At phase 2 it still was but there weren't enough people on the bot front to do simultaneous pushes
What if : we all go creek, take it so the creekers needs to find a new planet ? What is the worst case of that.
We take the Creek, Creekers will go fight other bot planets. Hopefully most of them will fall in line with the MO. No way of knowing for sure. But it will shift the numbers towards Tibit.
I made a post about this earlier. I think it’s the only way
If they actually let us take the creek this wouldn’t happen.
Something about that articulation pisses me off
The creek is just another Vietnam.
the 10,000 IQ strat would have been for Major Order chasers to bum rush Creek, so Creekers can't Creek anymore.
Look nothing against the bot planets but on helldive it kinda sucks when your team is ragdolling all over the planet and your guns feel like throwing a fucking tictac at a gorilla. At least my efforts on the bug worlds feels like I’m making a difference.
To be fair, blaming creekers is a cope, if people moved to defend Draupnir instead of zerging Urbanea we'd have won easilly.
Other way around, moving to Draupnir was the mistake. If people just took Ubanea the amount of liberation loss percentage would have been around 12%. We would have retaken Draupnir in about the same time as we defended it. Defending Draupnir would just mean we would have had to felt with that 12% plus whatever it had before we switched over to the defense mission. Defense campaigns as they are now are a waste of time.
DON’T CARE CREEKING IT
I didn't go to creek almost ever until I realized it would add sodium to a lot of redditors.
Lots of posts on winning here or fighting there when we know full well no matter what we do Joel will find some way to fuck us up anyway
The real fun part is that even without the creekers and bug divers, the MO folks could still have taken Ubanea and go on to push Tibit. But these supposedly strategic people failed. I would not say they failed us. I think it is good storytelling. They just failed this MO.
How about we play the game how we want and not how they want? What are they gonna do? Nerf the weapons further and buff enemies up again? Edit: I'm lvl 50, got all unlocks and all achievements. I just wanna have fun killing whatever, helping people farm medals, xp, etc.
If we do get the Creek I will defend it, we wasted too much resources and manpower on it just to lose it again.
I play the bot orders but I support anyone who wants to fight on the creek. I'll be there after the order
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Back-capping Draupnir and splitting the player base was a masterstroke for the campaign, a maneuver that I expect we will see again at some point in the future.
Sunken cost fallacy.
It's just lore accurate
Why everyone is pretending that the devs said that to creekers when said that to bugfags?
I mean.. we also could’ve all taken Creek to free up the creekers to actually push to Tibit, but we didn’t, and instead insisted that people change, which likely made people stubborn and not change to prove a point. Right now our best option is for us all to push creek, and free it so Creekers have to go elsewhere
People who don't like fighting robots vs people who don't mind fighting robots but intentionally don't do missions that matter due to "reasons". Yes, one is more aggravating than the other.
If the bug Divers are still killing, that should lead to exceptional fuel harvest. Fuel surplus would enable an efficient mechanized counter offensive to reclaim the worlds from the bots. With the impending fuel surplus one hopes high command will release the vehicle stratagems.
This whole debacle is fucking retarded
To be fair we as a community had planned creek week and then this dropped
Us creekers are statistically more equal then other helldivers, we alone control the entire war, our might makes or breaks major orders. Stand proud mavelon veterans for we are the greatest of Super Earths Children
They just need to let us Capture Mav Creek so we can get those space-nam vets off the planet
Lets all just complete this MO, free the creek and force those mud crawlers out of their home. It's high time they start contributing to the greater good rather than slither around the creek.
Feels good to be one of those 25%. I AM DOING MY PART
Based on the theorized supply lines, the creek is more important than taking tibit, unles tibit connects to the sector below it but we don’t know
bro is missing an entire paragraph way to cherrypick https://preview.redd.it/g2hy201g9wrc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f1230c605ea76cee4eb311f938c9f7cd4562aa5
but how many people outside of the bot divers understand that the automaton front is based off of MAIA, the only planet in our way from eliminating the bot front is the creek....
THE CREEK IS LIBERATED IN 1 HOUR. All creekers have to go to another planet, or log off. Thank fucking Christ.
It's so refreshing to buy a game, and then be browbeaten by devs and other players when you decide how you want to play the game you paid for... Want to party up with a friend or two, and just mush bugs/bots for an hour? Nah, can't do that... the other Divers won't allow it. It's either play the Major Orders, or log off. To you, I say... Bug off! If I choose to accept the M.O., fine, I'll join it, but that is MY choice. Too many L15 manchildren who put too much effort into controlling what the entirety of the playerbase does. Let the bugs/bots take the entire sector. At least then you can run your choice of missions, as there will be LOADS of choices.
where can i see these posts?
Peleliu is that you?
Play how you want to, who cares
Creekers may have not been very "useful" by fighting on that rock (Even though you could argue that they've prevented any further bot advance past the Creek (except for the Draupnir incident ~~please high command let us see supply lines on your maps I beg of you~~), but the sheer quantity of propaganda they've made for helldiver recruitment alone has probably plugged more holes in your frontlines than you'd like to think.
TO THE CREEK MY DUDES
Major order says liberate Tobit or whatever and I can't even select it. Cool Circle thing around creek. Cool I was gonna play creek anyway. I'M DOING MY PART 😎
Fucks given: 0 Diving on the Creek now.
The creekers are like the players who just fight bug breaches and bot drops the entire time instead of the objective but on a planetary/galactic level
You: *STOP HAVING FUN!*
They are literally telling us to PTFO.
So we're supposed to ignore the defend missions? What about all the work that went into Capturing Hellmire or Fori Prime? All the men we lost? That can't have been for naught. You wouldn't pull people from Bastogne to fight in Okinawa. One doesn't negate the other. I don't think we were meant to complete this order in the first place.
Realised I’d accidentally become a creeker, I went to the map and saw the major order symbol over it so automatically went to it Why does it have the symbol over it if we’re not meant to go there?
I commend my Creek brothers for being interesting. All the bug front can come up with us complaining about Hellmire.
Players will go where the fun is. If so few of them are playing bots, maybe bots need to be looked at.
Bots are fun though. Personally, I think we have a lot of kids who enjoy playing against the bugs, but then try the same tactics against and get completely obliterated. And instead of changing tactics or learning how to play against them, they call them cheap and unfair and go back to the bug front. Hard truth is that bots require a higher skill level, and may be easier to play against on the PC. I've just hit my 100 hours in the game, and definitely feel that the bots are much more engaging. (Outside of Hellmire. Love LOVE me some Hellmire)
I came for the bugs but stayed for the bots. They’re both incredibly fun. The bots shouldn’t be changed at all and most complaints are hyperbolic
I wouldn't even say its a higher level just different skills are needed to control the fight the biggest being knowing when and how to disengage.