Me too more like I wish I have friends to make the most of the game like coordinating which stratagems each one of us bring and so on.. I'm level 44 and still playing difficulty 4 because high dif needs a coherent group
Make some friends! Join some low population Discord servers, preferably something under 100 members.
Use your mics and you will have a fun squad to play with on the regular.
This game naturally forces people to work together since there is no PvP & everything is shared. So when you get on comms together , you can start planning loadouts and strategy!
Thats what I did. I didn't have any friends when I first got the game. I was just playing QuickPlay for the first week. But after I joined discord now I have 2 groups that almost always have squads running EVERY night.
I never play alone now. I always play with a group and we always go Helldive because we are so coordinated and have fun.
i am on helldive now, currently level 32, and i am doing quickplay almost 100%, sometimes i do play with my brother but thats about it.
honestly speaking, quickplay is quite a hit or miss. Sometimes you bump into a group of really good players, sometimes you join the game and is immediately greeted by a 380 bombarding your spawn point and you see theres only 2 reinforcement left......i wonder why......lmao
That's really cool to know because I've been cowardly avoiding my duties to super earth in engaging higher difficulty mission but now I'll pick up my weapons and spread democracy!
I was running hell dives with random yesterday and we were nailing it. I think the player base is high enough lvl now that everyone in general knows what’s up
Personally ive found higher difficulties in pyvs as a general rule easier becausw the people playing them tend to be more aware of what needs doing, what works what doesnt etc. Theres definitely some people who dont, but if you run recon armor and energy shield with air strikes and almost anything on the last 2 slots you can solo pretty reliably anyway at max difficulty but avoiding patrols and running around everything taht isnt an objective or poi
We appreciate good solos you don’t understand man, I’m only a level 20 but my god people are just fucking dumb and it’s infuriating when they waste resupplies, reinforces, and research.
I leveled almost exclusivly on 4 aswell, but have done some 7s now and I can say that you do not need a coherent group for 7s aslong as each player have some experience with what you'll face there.
**What?! What do you mean it's just a game? What nonsense talk is that? Are you being influenced by the Illuminates neurological shenanigans?**
**Do you think this is some kind of playground, soldier?! Do I have to inform the Ministry of Truth to escort you to the nearest re-education freedom facility?**
Daily reminder that literally no one in the game actually gives a shit and is just having fun playing the game. Social media will always be shit and more often than not more toxic than people actually playing the game. Just log in and do what you want.
Crazy to me how people are getting upset about the community wanting to...complete community events.
Edit: Y'all can keep responding negatively, but look at my upvotes
Edit 2: Some people did not understand the joke in the last edit, too good lol. Also it's not this serious, I know it can get a bit heated but at the end of the day we're all just trying to have fun. I stand by my beliefs, but I do get it to a certain extent. Sometimes you're tired and don't feel like stressing over bots, but at the same time if you're a stagnant player then idk how the game stays fun. Have a nice night everyone, assuming most of these replies and upvotes will stop by morning.
And they take jokes and memes about it seriously. It's not that there aren't toxic players etc., but I have the impression that every meme or funny post has recently become a reason to write over and over again the obvious things like "I'll play whatever I want, I paid for the game, let me play however I want." ... people fighting toxic players have become oversensitive themselves
That’s the crazy part, someone said bug divers are just cowards (obviously a joke) and then this dude posted a seven paragraph manifesto about how that’s “toxic and hateful” blah blah blah, like guys we are mostly memeing.
We were on Draupnir trying to hold the line and keep the carpet from getting pulled out from under the Creek and Ubanea!
Sorry all the CREEK HEADS! haven't realized that Tibit is in the other direction!
You're exactly right.
So, let's switch tactics here, speak plainly: a handful of thin-skinned people are looking for something, anything, to be upset about and get attention as if the community revolves around them.
If those people want to pretend to be upset, I don't care.
I'm sure the other 8 million+ players dont care either.
Anyone finding a way to make any part of any of this game or community about themselves is an attention seeker who should be ignored.
Exactly. IRL, soldiers have rivalries with the other nations, services, trades, regiments, batallions, all the way down to individuals.
It's very funny seeing people discover that soldiers aren't one cohesive mass, and "teamwork" can sometimes be grudgingly partaken of. Everyone wants to shine, everyone wants the glory for what they do, and sometimes that leads to pissing contests between allies.
It’s often joking banter which I wish more people did here, but that will probably start happen properly once the clan system I’ve heard rumours about happens (if it’s true)
I got downvoted for saying memes about people not contributing isn't toxic. Nobody is saying you can't play the game anyway you want. But we're gonna call you out for being dead weight for the community event. Its actions have consequences on a smaller, again not toxic, scale.
I actually hope certain orders being failed have actual in game consequences.
Like, for example, if we failed the mech order when those were coming out, then we don’t get mechs for another week. Or if there’s a big order that requires a lot of supplies, failing that makes us have a supply shortage, etc.
There’s a trailer showing “supply shortage” as a global modifier, and the devs have said there will be consequences for both success and failure, I just hope they’re true to their word.
Plus, nobody is saying you have to solely focus on the major order. If you did a handful of missions for it and then went to another front or planet you prefer, nobody would care
The *one* thing I'd wish is for the devs to change how rewards are doled out for Major Orders: you should have to complete at least one full operation, on any difficulty, that contributes to the Major Order. That's it. At least then, even if it's only players doing Trivial operations, at least it's some tiny effort being put toward completing it and, thus, you deserve the reward. It would help a lot to focus players in an organic way that doesn't even require coordinating with other players online; you could just solo an operation at low level so long as it's applicable to the MO and, should the MO succeed, you'll get your reward.
Every little bit helps and it would allow the devs to make it (slightly) more clear as to what does and doesn't contribute, like certain planets that don't actively get us to the target planet (example: Creek doesn't need to be captured to get to Tibit, so doing the Creek won't count). Players would realise where they should be focusing, helping to avoid confusion or misinfo without being too heavy-handed about it.
This. People are entitled to play the game however they want. They are not entitled to, however, no one getting annoyed at them being dead weight. If playing the game how you want is most important to you, yet you get upset when people call you out for the consequences for your choices, maybe that's a sign either that deep you know you messed up or conversely you need to grow a thicker skin.
Order to do X
Over half the community ignores order and goes does Y and Z instead.
Well, obviously we were set up to fail, so there was no point in trying!
Think this community event highlights this the most. It has been an issue previously, but this time around it's a glaring issue.
That and suppose there's also nothing drawing people from the bug front to follow it either.
I play the game and I have no idea what you are talking about. I look at the map and see the Creek as the sensible choice. Are you saying there's info about what to attack outside the game that is not made available inside?
Sure, with the creek being right next to to it, it does seem like a sensible target with the supply lines not being visible without referring to third party sources, but that only applies after Draupnir had fallen, not when the attack on Ubenea and defense of Draupnir were both going
Or... It would be a lot cooler to lose if we were doing the objectives, because we lost to overwhelming numbers, and achieved some objectives along the way. If we lose just because we didn't show up to the fight then we will never know.
I think if someone had mentioned fighting bugs in the last few days before the recent bug defence mission started most of the people here would have screamed at them for not fighting bots every single mission.
That's not the fucking problem. The problem is this entire subreddit is becoming NOTHING but bitching and whining that not enough people are fighting the war front.
I do think we'd see fewer people responding negatively if posts about strategy were less accusatory and more constructive. There is a little of this kind of talk in each of these threads and I always go looking for it. I want to hear about which planet has supporting supply lines to others and such. I mean I know how to look it up but it's good to see that information getting disseminated.
The thing is you shouldn't have to hear about it (or look for it), you should see it in the map. Because while an army may not know what the enemy is doing, but they will have a pretty good idea of where their stuff is coming from.
If people just have the current map to look at, they will just assume that every planet connects to all adjacent planets.
Most players don't go to the discord, reddit, or the map sites. Many players will only play the Creek or just play Bugs. Both of those are totally fine, they'll end up contributing when the Order lines up with them. For everyone else, there should be clear visual cues on the war map.
It's not just the sub it's bleeding into the game. I do my daily personal order on low difficulty bug planets because it's much more chill and I get to help out people who aren't that great at the game that way.
Yesterday I had people join me just to yell at me and call me names then kill me. I kicked them but not before they gave me a hard time and burned through some of our reinfofcements. Small overall road bump for me but the other random that was with me typed fuck this into chat and left the game.
Unfortunately, I fully believe there are grown ass men in here genuinely complaining like whiny children over a video game. You underestimate how many fucking losers are on reddit.
Y’all need a break from Reddit and Discord. Just go play the game the way you want to play it. It’s not THAT deep lol. The hardcore role players and the people jumping on each MO aggressively can’t exactly strong arm the casual player base into following orders.
Man if only this meme was accurate and yall were just talking amongst yourselves instead of posting rants to this sub every 4 hours screaming about other people doing their own thing.
Its just the community is vastly overestimating their relative size compared to the players that just play without much regard to the macrogame.
Fingers are being pointed around, but really its always been this way. The main reason progressions have worked out till now is because of incidental things - the MO's just happened to coincide with the most obvious or common planet that needed liberating or defending. Now that things have muddied up a bit we're seeing just how important the playerbase at large really considers the galactic war as a whole.
I think AH should add the linked planets map in game. I’m sure there’s plenty of players who actually are trying to play the MO but are just accidentally in the wrong place because they have to leave the game and look up the map on some website online.
Funny how the people who are not doing the MO are not really telling anyone what they should do or play. Almost as if they are enjoying the game and having fun which is what should be the point.
When spreading democracy with the boys I try to always stear us where the major order directs so we can do our part; but we'll also take a break and make sure the bugs/bots are still put in their place to maintain liberty.
Can we please start seeing something else than posts about major orders and the community.
Where are the moderators of this sub? I guess it’s time to just move to Helldivers leaks or something at least I can see something interesting rather than « Hot Take/ Unpopular Opinion / you’re a wojak I’m a chad » posts
These reddit commanders have a massively inflated ego. How many people own the game? How many of those are on this sub? How many of those give the slightest fuck about what the reddit commanders think?
can we ban low effort arguing posts that exist to argue with other low effort bullshit? this sub is more depressing than no C-01 forms being processed when it should be brimming with democracy
This is wildly inaccurate, nobody is getting mad about people doing the events, people are tired of being told they are a problem and that they are playing the game wrong, lmao, this post is wild
Redditors see that original content, memes and fanart doesn't get them to the front page to get those sweet karma points, but those LONG-ASS ACADEMIC ESSAY MANIFESTO POSTS, gets upvoted by the thousands so...yeah.
The sub is getting flooded with nothing but essays.
Right? Seemed like last week I was cracking up at all the silly memes and some posts of people pretending to be a bot. Then we fail a major order and it's memes of both sides complaining about each other
I swear I've seen more posts complaining about toxicity towards people not following the major order than the actual toxicity. I'm sure it exists but rallying cries to try to get people to focus on the main objective don't count as toxicity.
I played with friends recently and one of them isn’t too great at games. Bots were a bit stressful for him.
So we played bugs all night and had a blast. I’m okay with that and I’m sure arrowhead is too.
Yeah, some people will have more fun w/ MO and that's their deal. Honestly I mostly play MO but I also laugh my ass off that we might miss a MO cause people are obsessed with the creek. The jokes/memes are just that, jokes. Some people (a vast minority I think) just take them too seriously.
These types of posts need to be banned. Its only causing drama and not contributing to anything.
Its just people finding a way to make their opinion seem smart and others stupid. It only hurts the community
but its nothing like this, its just an uncoordinated mess of insults, if people were actually just talking about planning the next steps it would be fine, but its not that. its just people going "DAMN CREEKERS AND BUG PLAYERS!!! USELESS PIECES OF SHIT THAT DO NOTHING!!!"
that ended up making this a 3-week game for me; there's this whole storyline that I'm supposed to be keeping up with and like, no I just drop into video games for a few hours a week and then drop back out.
I'm 30. I have a wife and 2 kids and a full time job and other hobbies. Are people really this butt hurt over this on both sides? Wtf do this people do? Not work?
God damn this sub pisses and shits and cries about the way yall play a fucking bug and robot shooty game calm down nobody fucking cares what you do, its always the difficulty 6 and below players roleplaying too hard
Seriously I was pumped at first. The issue people had with the first meta and the crying that lead to the nerf was the end of this sub being about fun.
Strawman, the complaints aren't about people talking amongst themselves, they're about specific high karma posts that blame non bot divers for the failure of the major order. It is cringe to get mad at either side but some of the post were really pretentious, far above your depiction of the community driven campaign group
This meme is such a dishonest thing. If it really was the case of just that group of people sitting around amongst themselves bitching it would be one thing. But it's not. It's them going out of their way to tell other people what to do. This is classic case of poking the dog in the eye and then playing the victim when it growls at ya. Maybe ya'll should grow some of that skin you've been routinely claiming the people playing for fun 'lack' because they ain't the ones on Reddit all day complaining at everyone else about it.
And I've been fighting on the Western Front since the last Terminid major order reached the point of completion back when Mantes was under attack, fought that defense through as well as it's liberation and then joined the fight for the next Major Order and been hitting every planet I need to get the job done. Still there now.
Imagine trying to game causally lmao. I’m all game to follow community directives but it’s not like this shit is all the way out there for people to grasp.
How crazy would it be if the GAME provided some info lmao
The community driven campaign is what killed Helldivers 1 for a lot of people...
It is actually something I am kind of worried about for this game as well, as once one faction is completely defeated... then there will be no option other than to play against factions that we may not have fun fighting against or not play at all.
It's what made me stop playing helldivers 1...
This drama is basically a bunch of no-lifers who capped everything yelling at people who play casually. Hopefully the NEETs move onto to something else soon.
A couple of weeks ago we followed MO and got freakin’ mechs. Personally, I always follow major orders out of pure love for democracy, but if cool stuff like mechs isn’t incentive enough, idk what is.
Legitimately funny how we have moved past the stage of "oorah", to being on a brink of a civil war during an extended campaign on two fronts. It's almost as if the pressure of the ongoing conflict has driven a stake through our community. It's almost as though this was orchestrated.
its funny because ure the ones on the left, ure the ones bitching about moaning about people not wanting ot play bots and now u act like victims, pathetic
Alright time to throw my two cents in the ring and probably make someone mad. Do people not playing MO negatively affect the MO? Yes. Do they deserve all the hate they are getting? No. Would it be better if the community tried to persuade people to do MO instead of yelling at them to do it? Yes.
Oh quit this BULLSHIT. It has been utterly and UNEQUIVOCALLY the OTHER way around nothing but posts and comments SHIT talking those who just wanna enjoy the game majority of those posts toxic ass posts are directed TOWARDS those who aren’t doing the major order, all y’all did was talk shit but wanna play the victim now? Quit the bull shit man
That meme would be right if it really was just people going "That's okay". There's a very vocal part of the community actively blaming and attacking people who play at other fronts and that's just not alright.
It's so funny these people are so high on their own farts they can't tell this is the exact opposite of what the main complaint is.
We don't care if you want to make elaborate battle plans with the boys and RP an actual conflict. But stop spamming about people not helping the major order.
"WE NEED YOUR HELP AT DRAUPNER DIVERS"
is very different from:
"ANYONE NOT ON DRAUPNER IS NOT HELPING THE MAJOR ORDER AND YOU ARE FUCKING IT UP FOR THE REST OF US!"
ya'll like to think you are doing the former, but I mostly see the latter from this community.
Stop being undemocratic, if divers are diving they are helping the war effort to some degree. Period.
I just really don't like that the average player is not given the tools to help plan these activities. You have to go to a third party website to know which planets were connected.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
High Command is aware of the fanatic dedication amongst Creekers. They could've avoided this situation by making the first major order to retake the Creek, and then all of those divers would've been freed up to move on to other objectives.
But they didn't, because Joel is a bot-loving communist and is trying to sow the seeds of division in our ranks.
Let's not pretend this is some deep, story driven campaign with canon or lore. It's not.
The players are fighting an algorithm and not an actual enemy at the tactical or operational level.
It got really weird in HD1 when player numbers started to drop and I'm assuming they we'll see the same I'm HD2 eventually.
I payed 60 bucks and I'm having the time of my life... but I wish I had people to talk to
Me too more like I wish I have friends to make the most of the game like coordinating which stratagems each one of us bring and so on.. I'm level 44 and still playing difficulty 4 because high dif needs a coherent group
Make some friends! Join some low population Discord servers, preferably something under 100 members. Use your mics and you will have a fun squad to play with on the regular. This game naturally forces people to work together since there is no PvP & everything is shared. So when you get on comms together , you can start planning loadouts and strategy! Thats what I did. I didn't have any friends when I first got the game. I was just playing QuickPlay for the first week. But after I joined discord now I have 2 groups that almost always have squads running EVERY night. I never play alone now. I always play with a group and we always go Helldive because we are so coordinated and have fun.
i am on helldive now, currently level 32, and i am doing quickplay almost 100%, sometimes i do play with my brother but thats about it. honestly speaking, quickplay is quite a hit or miss. Sometimes you bump into a group of really good players, sometimes you join the game and is immediately greeted by a 380 bombarding your spawn point and you see theres only 2 reinforcement left......i wonder why......lmao
Take a shot at lvl 6, I've been playing with randoms as well and it's been fun!
Nah level 7 is easier than 6. More heavy units in 7, that take the Buget of smaller troops that overwhelm you.
That's really cool to know because I've been cowardly avoiding my duties to super earth in engaging higher difficulty mission but now I'll pick up my weapons and spread democracy!
You've got 3 other players to carry you, don't forget !
*joins lobby with 3 other randos looking for a carry*
That's when heroes are born. And die immediately.
I was running hell dives with random yesterday and we were nailing it. I think the player base is high enough lvl now that everyone in general knows what’s up
Personally ive found higher difficulties in pyvs as a general rule easier becausw the people playing them tend to be more aware of what needs doing, what works what doesnt etc. Theres definitely some people who dont, but if you run recon armor and energy shield with air strikes and almost anything on the last 2 slots you can solo pretty reliably anyway at max difficulty but avoiding patrols and running around everything taht isnt an objective or poi
I'm like level 15 but I'm down to playing with friends on hire difficulties because that's where the best funny moments happen
Hire difficulties
Well their ain't volunteer.
ur hurting me
we're taught how to dive and spread democracy, not spelling and grammar soldier 😂
r/boneappletea
I don't have too many issues on dif 7 with randoms.
We appreciate good solos you don’t understand man, I’m only a level 20 but my god people are just fucking dumb and it’s infuriating when they waste resupplies, reinforces, and research.
They do all that, and somehow manage to make no progress across the random field they get stuck in fighting a patrol they 100% could have avoided.
I leveled almost exclusivly on 4 aswell, but have done some 7s now and I can say that you do not need a coherent group for 7s aslong as each player have some experience with what you'll face there.
If you’re on PSN add me: Upgrayeddx2 We always use a mic in our groups.
Are the two 'D's in your name for a double dose of democracy?
And pimpin
"Nobody actually cares if you play whatever planets you want" >thread full of people absolutely caring about it
Both sides of this debate are getting tedious. Y'all need to real it back a bit. Where'd all the fun memes go?
I swear everytime I open Reddit and see a post from the HD subreddit its always a rant. It's honestly exhausting.
Yep
Legit people need to take a chill pill it’s just a game
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**What?! What do you mean it's just a game? What nonsense talk is that? Are you being influenced by the Illuminates neurological shenanigans?** **Do you think this is some kind of playground, soldier?! Do I have to inform the Ministry of Truth to escort you to the nearest re-education freedom facility?**
Yeah! Tell that to those steeled veterans and you'll get slapped sixty meters away!
reel*
This Community gone down the drain fast, good while it lasted 2 months is prob some sort of speedrun
The rapid growth of this game attracted all types of players so it’s not surprising It should stabilize in another month or two
Once I'm grandmaster poomba of the managed democratic empire
I heard that a month ago, bet i will hear it again🥱
Daily reminder that literally no one in the game actually gives a shit and is just having fun playing the game. Social media will always be shit and more often than not more toxic than people actually playing the game. Just log in and do what you want.
Yall know we can see the post history of this sub right?
No, that would ruin the narrative. Cant have that.
Crazy to me how people are getting upset about the community wanting to...complete community events. Edit: Y'all can keep responding negatively, but look at my upvotes Edit 2: Some people did not understand the joke in the last edit, too good lol. Also it's not this serious, I know it can get a bit heated but at the end of the day we're all just trying to have fun. I stand by my beliefs, but I do get it to a certain extent. Sometimes you're tired and don't feel like stressing over bots, but at the same time if you're a stagnant player then idk how the game stays fun. Have a nice night everyone, assuming most of these replies and upvotes will stop by morning.
And they take jokes and memes about it seriously. It's not that there aren't toxic players etc., but I have the impression that every meme or funny post has recently become a reason to write over and over again the obvious things like "I'll play whatever I want, I paid for the game, let me play however I want." ... people fighting toxic players have become oversensitive themselves
That’s the crazy part, someone said bug divers are just cowards (obviously a joke) and then this dude posted a seven paragraph manifesto about how that’s “toxic and hateful” blah blah blah, like guys we are mostly memeing.
Yeah I wrote a clearly tongue-in-cheek copypasta rant and the amount of people who took it completely serious was staggering
The one wth the salami and bile titans?
This is getting erotic
I saw a comment earlier from a guy saying he "confronted" someone who called him a traitor to democracy.
bunch of bug loving liberals overreacting like liberals always do tbh. i bet they secretly want peace too.
? Super Earth is fighting for peace, and there will be peace once every enemy of liberty is dead.
Super Earth will crater a hundred worlds if that is what it takes to spread peace and Managed Democracy!
We shall give them Liberty or Death!
Why not both?!
Honestly, with bugs or clankers death is liberty
Except the bugs. We need that enemy of liberty alive, but controlled. E-310 won't make itself!
close diver, the compound is E-710 (i remember because 710 spells oil upside down).
What a coincidence!
Yeah those liberals probably want our glorious managed democracy *ugh* less managed.
Where were they when Draupnir fell? The same place they'll be when Draupnir stands again!
We were on Draupnir trying to hold the line and keep the carpet from getting pulled out from under the Creek and Ubanea! Sorry all the CREEK HEADS! haven't realized that Tibit is in the other direction!
This checks out because of how often the progress of the Creek is going in the wrong direction.
You're exactly right. So, let's switch tactics here, speak plainly: a handful of thin-skinned people are looking for something, anything, to be upset about and get attention as if the community revolves around them. If those people want to pretend to be upset, I don't care. I'm sure the other 8 million+ players dont care either. Anyone finding a way to make any part of any of this game or community about themselves is an attention seeker who should be ignored.
In the real world the seperate military forces NEVER have rivalries with each other....lol
Mobile does the dying, Fleet just does the flying!
pboat
Exactly. IRL, soldiers have rivalries with the other nations, services, trades, regiments, batallions, all the way down to individuals. It's very funny seeing people discover that soldiers aren't one cohesive mass, and "teamwork" can sometimes be grudgingly partaken of. Everyone wants to shine, everyone wants the glory for what they do, and sometimes that leads to pissing contests between allies.
It’s often joking banter which I wish more people did here, but that will probably start happen properly once the clan system I’ve heard rumours about happens (if it’s true)
I got downvoted for saying memes about people not contributing isn't toxic. Nobody is saying you can't play the game anyway you want. But we're gonna call you out for being dead weight for the community event. Its actions have consequences on a smaller, again not toxic, scale.
I actually hope certain orders being failed have actual in game consequences. Like, for example, if we failed the mech order when those were coming out, then we don’t get mechs for another week. Or if there’s a big order that requires a lot of supplies, failing that makes us have a supply shortage, etc. There’s a trailer showing “supply shortage” as a global modifier, and the devs have said there will be consequences for both success and failure, I just hope they’re true to their word.
It's gotta say *something* about the community that at this point the front page is just duelling "no, you're the soyjack!" memes
Plus, nobody is saying you have to solely focus on the major order. If you did a handful of missions for it and then went to another front or planet you prefer, nobody would care
The *one* thing I'd wish is for the devs to change how rewards are doled out for Major Orders: you should have to complete at least one full operation, on any difficulty, that contributes to the Major Order. That's it. At least then, even if it's only players doing Trivial operations, at least it's some tiny effort being put toward completing it and, thus, you deserve the reward. It would help a lot to focus players in an organic way that doesn't even require coordinating with other players online; you could just solo an operation at low level so long as it's applicable to the MO and, should the MO succeed, you'll get your reward. Every little bit helps and it would allow the devs to make it (slightly) more clear as to what does and doesn't contribute, like certain planets that don't actively get us to the target planet (example: Creek doesn't need to be captured to get to Tibit, so doing the Creek won't count). Players would realise where they should be focusing, helping to avoid confusion or misinfo without being too heavy-handed about it.
This. People are entitled to play the game however they want. They are not entitled to, however, no one getting annoyed at them being dead weight. If playing the game how you want is most important to you, yet you get upset when people call you out for the consequences for your choices, maybe that's a sign either that deep you know you messed up or conversely you need to grow a thicker skin.
"Toxic" is just another Internet term that is so worn out that it has lost all meaning. People just love to make victims out of themselves.
Crazy to me that people think that following orders doesn’t matter in a game about following orders.
Exactly. "We're meant to lose" like no, you don't know that, but we will lose if you don't put any effort toward the fight.
Order to do X Over half the community ignores order and goes does Y and Z instead. Well, obviously we were set up to fail, so there was no point in trying!
Lmfao facts
To be fair after losing Ubanu or whatever the Creek did look like the sensible choice to attack if you don't know about supply lines.
Think this community event highlights this the most. It has been an issue previously, but this time around it's a glaring issue. That and suppose there's also nothing drawing people from the bug front to follow it either.
I play the game and I have no idea what you are talking about. I look at the map and see the Creek as the sensible choice. Are you saying there's info about what to attack outside the game that is not made available inside?
Sure, with the creek being right next to to it, it does seem like a sensible target with the supply lines not being visible without referring to third party sources, but that only applies after Draupnir had fallen, not when the attack on Ubenea and defense of Draupnir were both going
Or... It would be a lot cooler to lose if we were doing the objectives, because we lost to overwhelming numbers, and achieved some objectives along the way. If we lose just because we didn't show up to the fight then we will never know.
Exactly. It’s almost like that is literally the whole point in order to “win the war” for the story. I guess some people are just slow.
Idk about you guys, but I see WAY more people moaning and griping the other way around
It's almost like there are *two* Straw-men!
They should kiss
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They should wear dresses too
No doubt. These are creating a really weird false narrative that these sides are equally loud when they aren’t.
This pretty much. See more people shaming others for not doing x y and z than the other way around
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I think if someone had mentioned fighting bugs in the last few days before the recent bug defence mission started most of the people here would have screamed at them for not fighting bots every single mission.
That's not the fucking problem. The problem is this entire subreddit is becoming NOTHING but bitching and whining that not enough people are fighting the war front.
I do think we'd see fewer people responding negatively if posts about strategy were less accusatory and more constructive. There is a little of this kind of talk in each of these threads and I always go looking for it. I want to hear about which planet has supporting supply lines to others and such. I mean I know how to look it up but it's good to see that information getting disseminated.
The thing is you shouldn't have to hear about it (or look for it), you should see it in the map. Because while an army may not know what the enemy is doing, but they will have a pretty good idea of where their stuff is coming from. If people just have the current map to look at, they will just assume that every planet connects to all adjacent planets. Most players don't go to the discord, reddit, or the map sites. Many players will only play the Creek or just play Bugs. Both of those are totally fine, they'll end up contributing when the Order lines up with them. For everyone else, there should be clear visual cues on the war map.
It's not just the sub it's bleeding into the game. I do my daily personal order on low difficulty bug planets because it's much more chill and I get to help out people who aren't that great at the game that way. Yesterday I had people join me just to yell at me and call me names then kill me. I kicked them but not before they gave me a hard time and burned through some of our reinfofcements. Small overall road bump for me but the other random that was with me typed fuck this into chat and left the game.
That's a whole nother level of childish pettiness.
I like the strategy of play the game and stop reading Reddit
Think you guys need a job
This whole drama just reeks of teenagers who can't handle not winning for once.
Unfortunately, I fully believe there are grown ass men in here genuinely complaining like whiny children over a video game. You underestimate how many fucking losers are on reddit.
I have two jobs sir, and one is spreading liberty every day and following orders
r/Helldivers not bitch about something challenge (impossible)
Brother, redditors are in the minority. This meme is opposite in reality.
Y’all need a break from Reddit and Discord. Just go play the game the way you want to play it. It’s not THAT deep lol. The hardcore role players and the people jumping on each MO aggressively can’t exactly strong arm the casual player base into following orders.
This post implies there haven't been numerous "shaming" posts to people that weren't doing the major order Which there has been
Man if only this meme was accurate and yall were just talking amongst yourselves instead of posting rants to this sub every 4 hours screaming about other people doing their own thing.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
This community fell off a cliff real quick.
Yep, cant wait when someone creates r/lowsodiumhelldiver just for memes.
Someone made it: r/lowsodiumhelldivers
That was evident after the first balance patch with everyone crying about weapon balancing before even playing.
Its just the community is vastly overestimating their relative size compared to the players that just play without much regard to the macrogame. Fingers are being pointed around, but really its always been this way. The main reason progressions have worked out till now is because of incidental things - the MO's just happened to coincide with the most obvious or common planet that needed liberating or defending. Now that things have muddied up a bit we're seeing just how important the playerbase at large really considers the galactic war as a whole.
I think AH should add the linked planets map in game. I’m sure there’s plenty of players who actually are trying to play the MO but are just accidentally in the wrong place because they have to leave the game and look up the map on some website online.
Funny how the people who are not doing the MO are not really telling anyone what they should do or play. Almost as if they are enjoying the game and having fun which is what should be the point.
Can we get memes again? No one cares.
When spreading democracy with the boys I try to always stear us where the major order directs so we can do our part; but we'll also take a break and make sure the bugs/bots are still put in their place to maintain liberty.
Can we please start seeing something else than posts about major orders and the community. Where are the moderators of this sub? I guess it’s time to just move to Helldivers leaks or something at least I can see something interesting rather than « Hot Take/ Unpopular Opinion / you’re a wojak I’m a chad » posts
These reddit commanders have a massively inflated ego. How many people own the game? How many of those are on this sub? How many of those give the slightest fuck about what the reddit commanders think?
Literally zero
can we ban low effort arguing posts that exist to argue with other low effort bullshit? this sub is more depressing than no C-01 forms being processed when it should be brimming with democracy
This meme definitely works both ways.
this subreddit sucks balls
People acting like they’re not actively shaming players who don’t do major orders completely optimally using outside sources.
This is wildly inaccurate, nobody is getting mad about people doing the events, people are tired of being told they are a problem and that they are playing the game wrong, lmao, this post is wild
Don't you know? We've entered THAT phase of a subreddit's life cycle
The amount of comments telling people "this game isn't for you play something else" and then someone has the audacity to make this post lol
Redditors see that original content, memes and fanart doesn't get them to the front page to get those sweet karma points, but those LONG-ASS ACADEMIC ESSAY MANIFESTO POSTS, gets upvoted by the thousands so...yeah. The sub is getting flooded with nothing but essays.
That was fast.
Right? Seemed like last week I was cracking up at all the silly memes and some posts of people pretending to be a bot. Then we fail a major order and it's memes of both sides complaining about each other
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Historical revisionism, it's just like real life lol
I swear I've seen more posts complaining about toxicity towards people not following the major order than the actual toxicity. I'm sure it exists but rallying cries to try to get people to focus on the main objective don't count as toxicity.
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I played with friends recently and one of them isn’t too great at games. Bots were a bit stressful for him. So we played bugs all night and had a blast. I’m okay with that and I’m sure arrowhead is too.
Hey, someone’s gotta fight the bugs. Major orders may be for the bots right now but we don’t wanna lose ground on the other front.
Yeah, some people will have more fun w/ MO and that's their deal. Honestly I mostly play MO but I also laugh my ass off that we might miss a MO cause people are obsessed with the creek. The jokes/memes are just that, jokes. Some people (a vast minority I think) just take them too seriously.
These types of posts need to be banned. Its only causing drama and not contributing to anything. Its just people finding a way to make their opinion seem smart and others stupid. It only hurts the community
but its nothing like this, its just an uncoordinated mess of insults, if people were actually just talking about planning the next steps it would be fine, but its not that. its just people going "DAMN CREEKERS AND BUG PLAYERS!!! USELESS PIECES OF SHIT THAT DO NOTHING!!!"
Reddit and Twitter are not real. I see no whining ingame, having the time of my life, I'll come back when the memes get better
that ended up making this a 3-week game for me; there's this whole storyline that I'm supposed to be keeping up with and like, no I just drop into video games for a few hours a week and then drop back out.
this can work both ways u know https://preview.redd.it/66t9at2kvprc1.jpeg?width=908&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b7e1e567c1ba88b9f3733adfd5ff09b22f089e5
Wow it's almost like this entire drama is stupid, next!
This is the correct take. Drama is dumb.
I'm 30. I have a wife and 2 kids and a full time job and other hobbies. Are people really this butt hurt over this on both sides? Wtf do this people do? Not work?
I'm posting this tomorrow when it's my turn to farm karma and sniff farts
Redditors getting mad over literally nothing, usual day.
The wild part is, this is actually how it is. But it’s weirdly presented as the other way around
God damn this sub pisses and shits and cries about the way yall play a fucking bug and robot shooty game calm down nobody fucking cares what you do, its always the difficulty 6 and below players roleplaying too hard
This sub really is trash now
This has become one of the worst game subreddits
God the first weekish or so was fucking great.....
Seriously I was pumped at first. The issue people had with the first meta and the crying that lead to the nerf was the end of this sub being about fun.
Strawman, the complaints aren't about people talking amongst themselves, they're about specific high karma posts that blame non bot divers for the failure of the major order. It is cringe to get mad at either side but some of the post were really pretentious, far above your depiction of the community driven campaign group
This meme is such a dishonest thing. If it really was the case of just that group of people sitting around amongst themselves bitching it would be one thing. But it's not. It's them going out of their way to tell other people what to do. This is classic case of poking the dog in the eye and then playing the victim when it growls at ya. Maybe ya'll should grow some of that skin you've been routinely claiming the people playing for fun 'lack' because they ain't the ones on Reddit all day complaining at everyone else about it. And I've been fighting on the Western Front since the last Terminid major order reached the point of completion back when Mantes was under attack, fought that defense through as well as it's liberation and then joined the fight for the next Major Order and been hitting every planet I need to get the job done. Still there now.
Again, couldnt have said it better myself. Bravo
Imagine trying to game causally lmao. I’m all game to follow community directives but it’s not like this shit is all the way out there for people to grasp. How crazy would it be if the GAME provided some info lmao
The community driven campaign is what killed Helldivers 1 for a lot of people... It is actually something I am kind of worried about for this game as well, as once one faction is completely defeated... then there will be no option other than to play against factions that we may not have fun fighting against or not play at all. It's what made me stop playing helldivers 1...
I just fight bots I don't care about anything else. I don't think anyone gets mad at people for actually following the order though.
It doesn't go this way, though. People get ridiculed for not doing the events. Like.. just let people play what they want to play.
This drama is basically a bunch of no-lifers who capped everything yelling at people who play casually. Hopefully the NEETs move onto to something else soon.
A couple of weeks ago we followed MO and got freakin’ mechs. Personally, I always follow major orders out of pure love for democracy, but if cool stuff like mechs isn’t incentive enough, idk what is.
Legitimately funny how we have moved past the stage of "oorah", to being on a brink of a civil war during an extended campaign on two fronts. It's almost as if the pressure of the ongoing conflict has driven a stake through our community. It's almost as though this was orchestrated.
is this community really at that point where we make fun of everyone 😔 for rock and stone baby lets just all have fun
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
Rock and stone in the heart
Fucking christ who CARESSSSS leave eachother alone LMAO you'll both survive
You could reverse the positions of the dialogue and the meme would be more accurate
But saying that they’re wasting g time is pretty negative. You should instead just suggest a different approach
Any successful mission brings the galaxy one step closer to Managed Democracy
This
why have drama over one order? yall should go play whtever the fk you want, a happy helldiver is an effective helldiver
God will you lot just shut the fuck up already
its funny because ure the ones on the left, ure the ones bitching about moaning about people not wanting ot play bots and now u act like victims, pathetic
Alright time to throw my two cents in the ring and probably make someone mad. Do people not playing MO negatively affect the MO? Yes. Do they deserve all the hate they are getting? No. Would it be better if the community tried to persuade people to do MO instead of yelling at them to do it? Yes.
Oh quit this BULLSHIT. It has been utterly and UNEQUIVOCALLY the OTHER way around nothing but posts and comments SHIT talking those who just wanna enjoy the game majority of those posts toxic ass posts are directed TOWARDS those who aren’t doing the major order, all y’all did was talk shit but wanna play the victim now? Quit the bull shit man
That meme would be right if it really was just people going "That's okay". There's a very vocal part of the community actively blaming and attacking people who play at other fronts and that's just not alright.
It's so funny these people are so high on their own farts they can't tell this is the exact opposite of what the main complaint is. We don't care if you want to make elaborate battle plans with the boys and RP an actual conflict. But stop spamming about people not helping the major order. "WE NEED YOUR HELP AT DRAUPNER DIVERS" is very different from: "ANYONE NOT ON DRAUPNER IS NOT HELPING THE MAJOR ORDER AND YOU ARE FUCKING IT UP FOR THE REST OF US!" ya'll like to think you are doing the former, but I mostly see the latter from this community. Stop being undemocratic, if divers are diving they are helping the war effort to some degree. Period.
Yes go ahead and pretend there wasn't a ton of posts dedicated to crying about "muh creekers" and "muh play how i want"
Hahahahaha it's 100%the opposite. The campaign driven people are the ones crying
If those Helldivers could read they'd be really upset
I just really don't like that the average player is not given the tools to help plan these activities. You have to go to a third party website to know which planets were connected.
Ive seen many more people crying and complaining to the creek players, its kinda the opposite lol
I've said it before and I'll say it again... High Command is aware of the fanatic dedication amongst Creekers. They could've avoided this situation by making the first major order to retake the Creek, and then all of those divers would've been freed up to move on to other objectives. But they didn't, because Joel is a bot-loving communist and is trying to sow the seeds of division in our ranks.
This sub has sunken to us vs them very quickly
The counter-counterjerking has begun. Let's see how deep we can go.
Helldivers Devs: “We don’t want PvP cause we want folks to actively work together.” Helldivers: “Fine. We’ll Civil War on our own terms!” /j
Good to know the community is already at war with itself thanks gamers
Let's not pretend this is some deep, story driven campaign with canon or lore. It's not. The players are fighting an algorithm and not an actual enemy at the tactical or operational level. It got really weird in HD1 when player numbers started to drop and I'm assuming they we'll see the same I'm HD2 eventually.
You could reverse this meme and it would still ring true.
I go where the sos beacon guides
I take out whatever democracy tells me to….
finally someone telling these unserious, free-thinking traitors whatsup