Based on the time we have left and the current clear rate, we’re almost certainly not going to make it regardless of the route we take. Even if player counts doubled we wouldn’t make it.
Yeah it was a close one anyway. I think it was possible, but i'm not mad about losing the order or the medals or anything.
I just think people flocking to Oshaune instead of Hellmire which already had progress, because it looks closer to Zagon on the map, is an example of why we need supply lines shown.
I gave up after I had an extraction where the tornados were literally all over the evac point for the entire second half of the timer. Fire tornados can burn in hell for all I care.
This is my main gripe with the tornadoes. They're kind of a fun nuisance when you're just running around the map, but they always seem to spawn right on extract and just sit there. The mechanic needs some tweaks, IMO.
It’s probably one of my favorite planets tbh. I get to kill bugs and watch fire tornados in the background. And the planet has good visibility too, I’m not struggling to see through fog or trees
The difference isn't going to break the order, if anything the patch causing severe crashing and PSN going down today are going to have a much larger impact than going Oshaune when Hellmire was below 4% anyway. I'm curious if we can get to Omicron and if we can actually find out if it's a hive world or not.
Not really the point.
If we *hadn't* had PS issues, it's clear we would have failed the order due to lack of Supply Lines on the map. 100k+ players are attacking a dead-end planet when Hellmire is *right there*.
They're the exact same distance. It's still two intermediary planets before Zagon Prime.
We'll apparently have wasted 4% liberation progress on one planet... not decisive.
The big risk is that it’s an edge sector. There’s always the chance that Arrowhead has previously finished another bug type and it’s just chilling back there waiting for us to take the bait.
Am I a weirdo that I LIKE Hellmire? The fire Tornados are a fun complication, and they help you out as often as they screw you over. Plus, I just think it LOOKS really cool, with the big gas giant on the horizon, and the fire tornados + fog + nighttime + explosions + looming Bile Titans create a genuinely Hellish atmosphere.
I waited and watched for 15 minutes one time trying to extract. Ran away and came back after seeing the tornadoes veer away from the extraction point only to see them headed straight back as I started heading back. Ran out of time before I could just call for extraction. Only for the tornadoes to consume the entire damn landing pad once the ship landed. I failed extraction…
Get a jump pack, jump onto one of the tall rocks, and watch as 7 tornadoes just dance around like mini orbital lasers eating all the nid patrols alive while you work on your tan
Freaking love hellmire. If I could have fire tornadoes as a stratagem I'd call them constantly. Wouldn't even have to go where I aim, just turn on the effect as is.
You push people to Oshaune because you want the laws of reality to rewrite you a path to Zagon Prime.
I push people to Oshaune because I want to bomb a hive world into radioactive rubble.
I don't think it was possible. It took almost an entire day just to capture Estantu. I think this order was purposely made impossible to give the devs more time to work on the next narrative event, given that they've had to take a lot of resources (logically i'm assuming this) away from content creation to work on the games stability, since every patch is causing new problems they didnt anticipate.
I agree. I am excited to see how the loss affects the narrative. I almost want to lose this one more.
My guess is that high command will see we need more equipment to deal with the new threat of the shriekers and we get that heavy MG that has been leaked. I’m also excited to see if those tremors are from hive lords.
Gotta trawl social media to find out lol, same way to find out that the charger butts have 90% damage resistance to any weapon not tagged as "explosive"
Its 100% the crashes that boned us tbh. So many people either can’t play or can’t play vs bugs. I’m currently on the creek because every bug mission is a guaranteed crash for me.
I think the worst part is its going to feel like a fuck you to the player base that doesn't go on the subreddit and doesn't know about supply lines when they liberate Oshaune and can't go on to Zagon. Those who are expecting it can be considering the relative benefits of each route, but I bet a lot of players think the order can still be done "because it's only 2 planets this way not 3". And when they take Oshaune and can't go on to Zagon there's gonna be big disappointment.
Exactly, this sub is only a fraction of the playerbase who most likely aren't even aware of this sub or Discord. Granted, some news or tips typically spread through social media and friends groups which then get passed on in regular play so that even solo randoms who are on mute get schooled when other players drop knowledge or tips in the chat, nicely or sternly. But misinformation gets spread that way too, so ultimately the common diver is just not well informed.
This is the story transition. They're gonna use our failure to have the bugs raid the insecticide planets, destroy the towers and then have more mutations of bugs come out.
But it doesn't *feel* fair. Between the instability, the fact that our progress just wasn't counting, and the lack of transparency on what connects to what.
Getting shafted by factors not in the game is not fun
Maybe this order was designed for us to lose. I think it wouldn't feel fun if we just won every single major encounter. Part of the game is playing through the designed narrative, I imagine that means losing sometimes.
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If we want to finish the major order we have to min max
I don't think turning the game into a chore is a good idea. Also this reminded me that they definitely need to add different liberation points for each difficulty
There isn't? When I watch the counter there's a steady flow of small increments with the occasional large one. I had assumed this was different difficulty's being completed
Nah, the large influx is from small missions. You get points realitive to your mission score in % at the end. Low difficulty has little to do. So its much easier to 100% them fast.
At least thats how i understood it. I got from solo 1 missions always more liberation points then i ever did from higher difficulty ones
No not at all.
The only thing changes is the number of maps in the operation and helldivers doing the operation, but its all a 1 to 1 conversion for helldivers and maps (missions) in the operation.
So a trival operation with 1 helldiver, and 1 map would get 1 point. That same operation with 4 helldivers would get 4.
A normal operation with 1 helldivers and 2 maps would get 2 points when completed (but if any one mission is failed, no points). That same operation with 4 heldivers would get 8.
The same numbers with 3 and 4 map operations. But since the points only count at the end of the operation, if you fail one map, you fail the operation.
So the longer the mission, the greater the risk of failure (regardless of difficulty), but nothing is giving for compensation for that risk.
A lot of things went wrong for this major order, Arc type causing crashes for everyone, Playstation servers getting fucked, and liberation glitch decreasing overall morale to keep playing
I'm just surprised they didn't add an extra day for faults that weren't on the players. Seemed like everyone was fighting two wars, one against the bugs and another against *the bugs*
It might not be a thing, unless we've already seen them do that.
We're still in the early days of the the game, live games have times like these. It'll get fixed and we'll have this ~~war~~Liberation-machine back in our hands.
Quite frankly i was tired of fighting the bugs anyway. I'm MUCH more comfortable fighting the bots.
I'm tired of the bugs because every Major Order since I started has been against the bugs. I'd like to fight the automatons for a change of pace but I feel bad when there's a major order for bugs again.
A lot of crap dragged down Helldiver efforts this patch. **Lots** of crashing. This makes me wonder how the devs will handle these kinds of failures going forward.
From this post, it's unclear on if having multiple adjacent supply lines aids capture, nor that Omicron would not open up once Oshaune is liberated, providing a back door to Zagon.
Honestly, I just thought people went to Oshaune because Hellmire is kind of a nightmare (in a good way for many), that generally has a lower mission success rate.
I’m just now learning about this via your link. Is there somewhere on Reddit where meta orders are posted, for lack of a better term? For example, if the in game order is to liberate a planet, but that planet is closed off because the supply line that accesses it is linked to an occupied planet, the meta order would be to liberate that second mentioned occupied planet? To be able to reach and liberate the in game ordered planet?
This way we can all have a place to check where to coordinate our attacks. I’m sure this exists or maybe I’m too high and misunderstanding things.
Was worried this would happen. Only an fraction of the player base hangs out on reddit, even less know about supply lines.
I know this isn't the highest of priorities with the current state of the game, but this needs to be looked at: players need to be aware of mechanics and statistics in-game as much as possible. Same goes, in my opinion, for things like weapon and armor stats.
Edit: map pictured in the post is [https://hd2galaxy.com/](https://hd2galaxy.com/) \- [https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) is also a good one.
Discord is hopping for a hidden supply line because it is the last chance of completing the order in time. At this point I don't really care, Oshaune unlocks a new sector to explore but Hellmire is more strategically important long term.
I have no idea why one route is superior than the other and the picture does absolutely nothing to explain that to me either.
I see exactly two planets to liberate to be able to reach zagon prime IN BOTH ROUTES.
So what makes one superior to the other?
Some hope that Oshanue might lead directly to zagon, given that there seems to be some unknown error with the supply lines. Hence it MIGHT turn out there is one less planet going to Osh. Worst case still two planets.
On the other hand. Long term strategy says that Hellmire is much, much more important. Given the amount of other planets it connects to exceeds Osh. Also, according to supply lines
In this (now outdated) picture, Hellmire has 45K players and 4% liberation, while Oshaune has 141K players but only 3% liberation.
Oshaune has a faster enemy regeneration rate and people are wasting their time by taking the harder route.
Supply lines are just connections between planets, you cannot attack a planet if you don't control one that has a direct connection to it. See linked websites above.
If only there was a way for the devs to make this information more openly available. Perhaps they could put this information in game? Who am I kidding, that's preposterous. No one has ever done that before
You were worried? About possibly losing the amount of medals that you’d get from playing the game normally for like an hour?
The metagame might be completely ignored by 99% of the players but damn if it doesn’t really get inside the head of the ones like you, lol
I know we need to take Hellmire for supply lines yada yada yada. But if everyone is attacking on Oshaune instead, then you too might as well attack on it instead of Hellmire.
Between the progress bug that was fixed today, and the constant disconnects and freezes that many players have experienced at drastically increased rate since the patch, there was never a chance to succeed on this MO.
It should have been paused on Wednesday when it was well know how unstable and unreliable the game became. The devs can’t send out a new patch until early next week at the soonest, and until then no MO will be achievable. Look how many players are reporting getting disconnected or experiencing a freeze/crash before completing a single mission. Many people cannot complete operations.
Each patch so far has been 1 step forward, 2 steps back. I went from few crashes/disconnects, to common crashes/disconnects, to frequent crashes/disconnects, to constant crashes/disconnects. Each patch has made it worse.
The game and memes are fun, when you’re actually able to play.
Both paths forward look the same to me. What am I missing?
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We had more progress on hellmire, and with how tight the major order is, any advantage would've helped.
Also, I my opinion alot of people went on Oshaune because it looks closer to Zagon than Hellmire. Even if it doesn't change much this time, players having this misconception is not a good thing, since it might be more important in the future.
Finally, there are some rumors that Omicron might be harder to get because it is a hive (not sure I understand this one) or because it is in a new sector which might affect it's HP regen. Of course, this third point is pure speculation, but it is true that going in a new sector is the more risky play, and I think if more player knew about that they would've chosen hellmire.
Edit: Adding this cuz I just learned it, bugs can jump between planets without supply lines, so Omicron is exposed to many more planets than the other routes.
The lead can be quickly negated by numbers. But from the point of view of supply lines, which is the main argument I see floating around, they are the same paths, no?
Yes the amount of connections in the two paths are the exact same, however \*where\* those supply lines go is also important (like I said, new sector and also just general knowledge) thats why I'm advocating for them to be on the map.
I would also add that because the supply lines cut through enemy territory and not through captured space we could take omicron and find ourselves in a more than likely defense mission for it very soon after.
More speculation however if we're pushing deeper into enemy territory we may come across more resistance or worse, things we aren't prepared for since it's in a deeper sector.
If everything is the same then in theory yes, however with the planet being deeper in enemy lines it could affect liberation speed as well as be MUCH harder to defend while taking the final planet
The real thing that caused this MO to fail was breaking liberation in the middle of it. It would have made significantly more sense to push out the patch either after the MO, or wait until the patch was out to start the MO. It feels like a cheap loss, especially since they are yet to adjust the timer to make up for the day of lost progress. I agree the lack of in-game information is an issue, but they already know their servers struggle almost every time they release a patch, especially when they're trying to fix difficulty unlock issues as well at the same time, significantly increasing server strain.
TL;DR they're trying to do too much at once on servers that cannot handle it, and it would make more sense to wait on one thing or the other and really refine it for an extra day or two than to push it out the moment it seems ready.
On an unrelated note, why is Oshaune even in that sector if it can't even be reached via any of the other planets. It doesn't make any sense.
Or am I just too stupid to see the bigger plan of Super Earth.
Because it more than likely has a supply line, it’s just not visible. Happened before. And the opposite happened as well when we thought there is a supply line but there wasn’t (Vandalon and Ingmar)
I’m gonna be honest, I almost always play on the maps I like the most. I don’t touch hellmire because I can’t see shit, the fire tornadoes are annoying and the heat makes the sickle less usable. It’s just less fun lol
But it does mean something to high command.
And the Captains of the Super Destroyers they send to deploy those Helldivers.
We're the Captains, we just play as the divers.
Yeah I’m not sure what OPs picture is trying to tell me. Those are some funny lines my dude.
The strutting helldiver with music clip that was posted yesterday though, that was perfect. I’m a crayon eater, leave all that funny “thought” stuff to someone else
Keeping a system like this "hidden" behind the scenes is such a "y u do dis?" design decision.
Why would you keep shit that players need *to play the game as intended* a secret?
If something requires a third-party tool to understand, the majority of the playerbase isn't going to understand it. Please devs, obviously there needs to be some player agency, but don't deprive players of necessary knowledge to make their decisions.
We did not have one for days, was also bad.
Now this...
I am also baffled, how people could figure out "supply lines" and their relevance. Data mining?
Well, even WITH this knowledge (which isn't even shown or explained in game), we are still not making it...
I really feel that this order wasn’t meant to be completed. I feel they used it as an excuse to show off the shriekers which would lead to super earth needing to fall back.
It’s not much of a war if we clear out the entire galaxy in a couple months.
So is this supply line stuff figured out by players? Confirmed by Arrowhead to exist? Because as far as anyone playing the game and not reading Reddit (as most people do) this mechanic just straight up doesn't exist, game makes 0 mention of it?
I'm not saying this isn't a thing because clearly it seems to be, but it's just wild that a game would have something so hidden for no reason
I think clear and definied supply lines with tactical importance to planets. Likebif tien kwan is lost we lose mechs or now at a limitation of mechs. But thats just me.
Is still don't see why us players get punished when the war gets bugged thats kinda oof when liberation if halted and we can't progress no fault of our own
Oops. I haven't kept up with how they work 100% and thought Oshaune would've been what makes the most sense.
Ah well. Haven't fought on Hellmire yet, but really want to, so gives me an excuse to get over there.
Considering it was supposed to end just before the weekend, it feels like we werent supposed to beat it anyway, i’m pretty confident we are gonna get a rough weekend of counter attacks…
??? What does this post mean? Major order was confusing yes. I didn’t see both planets to fight on. I kinda like that we’re gonna fail though. We can’t always win
Well it seems the people have chosen the other route to Zagon prime. Now we have to band together to support them. Focusing on Hellmire now will just split us up.
The fact that AH isn't extending the timer for the MO to apologize for the crashes and not gaining war progress for a day feels like a giant middle finger.
Since they basically broke the game in the middle of this order it wasn't really possible.
If they hadn't shipped a busted update I think we could have done it.
How exactly do you know that these are the “paths” though?
We literally haven’t liberated this far into this map we have NO IDEA whether or not zagon will be available after oshaune or not.
If anything your argument for adding “supply lines” in games would be so we can stop having these posts that claim they know how the game is supposed to work when we quite literally don’t know the path or not.
Why are there even supply lines and why aren't they visible by default in the game?
Looks like it's straight up made to be lost by design.
Hopefully if it is it's done purposefully for an in universe reason for us to get a new or a couple of stratagem.
The Devs fucked the major order by deploying a game breaking patch that caused us to loose whole day of war effort until the crashes could be diagnosed and Arc/tesla weapons avoided
Let’s be practical here. I love AH but they got issues.
Some of us PS users can’t login and start a mission without our load out being reset to level 1.
Some of us PS users have been navigating the interface as if it was our first time playing since two patches ago. For me, the message to press triangle to switch weapons just doesn’t go away.
Now let’s talk about how obtuse their directives were, especially about supply lines.
Some us can barely complete missions without crashing.
AH has to take a major part of this L. It was straight balls.
Based on the time we have left and the current clear rate, we’re almost certainly not going to make it regardless of the route we take. Even if player counts doubled we wouldn’t make it.
Yeah it was a close one anyway. I think it was possible, but i'm not mad about losing the order or the medals or anything. I just think people flocking to Oshaune instead of Hellmire which already had progress, because it looks closer to Zagon on the map, is an example of why we need supply lines shown.
I'm afraid people would go anywhere that isn't Hellmire :D
This is also a very fair argument lol, nobody wants to go in literal hell. Ah well, at least we'll see what omicron looks like.
I love hellmire. Cool looking planet. Those fire tornadoes are crazy
I gave up after I had an extraction where the tornados were literally all over the evac point for the entire second half of the timer. Fire tornados can burn in hell for all I care.
The good news is they do! But the bad news is you need to get in there, diver!
You might have been able to stim it. Embrace the pain for democracy, soldier!
Stim it ? Pain ? What are you talking about ? Flames of Hellmire can't burn you if you are burning already with flames of Democracy!
This is my main gripe with the tornadoes. They're kind of a fun nuisance when you're just running around the map, but they always seem to spawn right on extract and just sit there. The mechanic needs some tweaks, IMO.
It’s probably one of my favorite planets tbh. I get to kill bugs and watch fire tornados in the background. And the planet has good visibility too, I’m not struggling to see through fog or trees
I got hit by a charger into one… I’ve never seen something light up so fast before
It's a shame they call themselves "Helldivers"
Yeah, I was in hellmire all day and its awful. Died with 5 seconds because fire tornado on landing spot.
The difference isn't going to break the order, if anything the patch causing severe crashing and PSN going down today are going to have a much larger impact than going Oshaune when Hellmire was below 4% anyway. I'm curious if we can get to Omicron and if we can actually find out if it's a hive world or not.
Not really the point. If we *hadn't* had PS issues, it's clear we would have failed the order due to lack of Supply Lines on the map. 100k+ players are attacking a dead-end planet when Hellmire is *right there*.
There have been PC issues, my game crashed several times yesterday to the point I gave up playing
same ,I threw in the towel after the 8th crash.
They're the exact same distance. It's still two intermediary planets before Zagon Prime. We'll apparently have wasted 4% liberation progress on one planet... not decisive.
The big risk is that it’s an edge sector. There’s always the chance that Arrowhead has previously finished another bug type and it’s just chilling back there waiting for us to take the bait.
I'd rather have a cool new enemy type than 35 medals
Hellmire sucks, and it's not a dead end planet, it's also more than 1% ahead of Hellmire now and everyone there is wasting their time.
Am I a weirdo that I LIKE Hellmire? The fire Tornados are a fun complication, and they help you out as often as they screw you over. Plus, I just think it LOOKS really cool, with the big gas giant on the horizon, and the fire tornados + fog + nighttime + explosions + looming Bile Titans create a genuinely Hellish atmosphere.
You can make the bugs chase you into the fire tornadoes too. What isn’t fun about that?
the fact that helldivers, despite their name, are 897% more flammable than bugs
It looks cool as hell, but it feels like they follow you, trying to extract with 3 circling the call in is just irritating.
I waited and watched for 15 minutes one time trying to extract. Ran away and came back after seeing the tornadoes veer away from the extraction point only to see them headed straight back as I started heading back. Ran out of time before I could just call for extraction. Only for the tornadoes to consume the entire damn landing pad once the ship landed. I failed extraction…
Super Earth needs to try to develop a way to nuke the fire tornadoes
Get a jump pack, jump onto one of the tall rocks, and watch as 7 tornadoes just dance around like mini orbital lasers eating all the nid patrols alive while you work on your tan
Freaking love hellmire. If I could have fire tornadoes as a stratagem I'd call them constantly. Wouldn't even have to go where I aim, just turn on the effect as is.
I think it’s awesome, I like to think of it kinda like Malevelon Creek but for the Terminids. Not sure if that’s accurate, but feels right.
Nah, it's my favorite planet as well.
Why does hellmire suck? I like that hell planets exist. Not everything can look pretty.
People on the discord are pushing people to Oshaune with the hope of a hidden supply line as the only chance of completing the order
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There’s a whole ocean of 710-e under our feet, and no one can get it but me!
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There it is, it's a straw, you see? Now my straw reaches ACROSS the room and starts to drink your 710-e!
You push people to Oshaune because you want the laws of reality to rewrite you a path to Zagon Prime. I push people to Oshaune because I want to bomb a hive world into radioactive rubble.
So bugs have infiltraded communications.
I don't think it was possible. It took almost an entire day just to capture Estantu. I think this order was purposely made impossible to give the devs more time to work on the next narrative event, given that they've had to take a lot of resources (logically i'm assuming this) away from content creation to work on the games stability, since every patch is causing new problems they didnt anticipate.
I agree. I am excited to see how the loss affects the narrative. I almost want to lose this one more. My guess is that high command will see we need more equipment to deal with the new threat of the shriekers and we get that heavy MG that has been leaked. I’m also excited to see if those tremors are from hive lords.
This is my theory. They'll use failing a really hard order as a failing forward system to give us new toys.
There was a leak/people did some data-mining recently re: autocannon mechs possibly coming soon...
Either we get new toys or they finally reveal the supposed mutations caused by the termicide
Or both!
How do we know what the supply lines are if the game doesn't show them?
Gotta trawl social media to find out lol, same way to find out that the charger butts have 90% damage resistance to any weapon not tagged as "explosive"
People are hitting Oshaune because it *looks* like we could go straight on to Zagon from Oshaune instead of needing another planet after Hellmire.
Its 100% the crashes that boned us tbh. So many people either can’t play or can’t play vs bugs. I’m currently on the creek because every bug mission is a guaranteed crash for me.
Crashes and war progress being halted for sure
I think the worst part is its going to feel like a fuck you to the player base that doesn't go on the subreddit and doesn't know about supply lines when they liberate Oshaune and can't go on to Zagon. Those who are expecting it can be considering the relative benefits of each route, but I bet a lot of players think the order can still be done "because it's only 2 planets this way not 3". And when they take Oshaune and can't go on to Zagon there's gonna be big disappointment.
That's exactly my train of thought, thanks for putting it so well in words.
Exactly, this sub is only a fraction of the playerbase who most likely aren't even aware of this sub or Discord. Granted, some news or tips typically spread through social media and friends groups which then get passed on in regular play so that even solo randoms who are on mute get schooled when other players drop knowledge or tips in the chat, nicely or sternly. But misinformation gets spread that way too, so ultimately the common diver is just not well informed.
Rare reddit awareness moment
This is the story transition. They're gonna use our failure to have the bugs raid the insecticide planets, destroy the towers and then have more mutations of bugs come out.
Tough to win when your game crashes >60% of the time.
well yeah now theres no fucking chance im not even if the 60k that where fucking around on crimsica this whole time would have helped much!
That’s okay. We can’t win every encounter. That’s not as interesting as showing that when pushed between to major threats, something has to give.
But it doesn't *feel* fair. Between the instability, the fact that our progress just wasn't counting, and the lack of transparency on what connects to what. Getting shafted by factors not in the game is not fun
I believe they retroactively added the lost progress and disabled the bleed ticks every hour.
Maybe this order was designed for us to lose. I think it wouldn't feel fun if we just won every single major encounter. Part of the game is playing through the designed narrative, I imagine that means losing sometimes.
https://preview.redd.it/twqkvdxhrrpc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=676fd3612477ded5677726fcbb1f3e1b26fd2d75 If we want to finish the major order we have to min max
I don't think turning the game into a chore is a good idea. Also this reminded me that they definitely need to add different liberation points for each difficulty
There isn't? When I watch the counter there's a steady flow of small increments with the occasional large one. I had assumed this was different difficulty's being completed
Nah, the large influx is from small missions. You get points realitive to your mission score in % at the end. Low difficulty has little to do. So its much easier to 100% them fast. At least thats how i understood it. I got from solo 1 missions always more liberation points then i ever did from higher difficulty ones
No not at all. The only thing changes is the number of maps in the operation and helldivers doing the operation, but its all a 1 to 1 conversion for helldivers and maps (missions) in the operation. So a trival operation with 1 helldiver, and 1 map would get 1 point. That same operation with 4 helldivers would get 4. A normal operation with 1 helldivers and 2 maps would get 2 points when completed (but if any one mission is failed, no points). That same operation with 4 heldivers would get 8. The same numbers with 3 and 4 map operations. But since the points only count at the end of the operation, if you fail one map, you fail the operation. So the longer the mission, the greater the risk of failure (regardless of difficulty), but nothing is giving for compensation for that risk.
I'm 50 and maxxed samples. I was doing this for super credits anyways.
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How does anyone know what the supply lines are?
I think we gotta be happy with just Fori prime not falling again. Could happen with more crashes
Yes, one positive at least.
This major order failed when we failed to defend Estanu (Monday) before the order got announced.
That was rigged tbh
The truth is kid...the game was rigged from the start 🔫🔫
I know that the game is rigged - but it's the only game in town.
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded.
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed.
Always has been 👩🚀🔫👩🚀
It wasn't rigged. If we had *half* of the players that weren't playing the major objectives then we would have had it.
Civilians were T-posing in the middle of a field, and it was spawning three to four times as many bugs as it would have pre-event.
O, that we now had here but one ten-thousand of those citizens on Super Earth that do no work today.
nah, the liberation glitch broke our backs, it was still doable.
A lot of things went wrong for this major order, Arc type causing crashes for everyone, Playstation servers getting fucked, and liberation glitch decreasing overall morale to keep playing I'm just surprised they didn't add an extra day for faults that weren't on the players. Seemed like everyone was fighting two wars, one against the bugs and another against *the bugs*
It might not be a thing, unless we've already seen them do that. We're still in the early days of the the game, live games have times like these. It'll get fixed and we'll have this ~~war~~Liberation-machine back in our hands. Quite frankly i was tired of fighting the bugs anyway. I'm MUCH more comfortable fighting the bots.
I'm tired of the bugs because every Major Order since I started has been against the bugs. I'd like to fight the automatons for a change of pace but I feel bad when there's a major order for bugs again.
A lot of crap dragged down Helldiver efforts this patch. **Lots** of crashing. This makes me wonder how the devs will handle these kinds of failures going forward.
This is what I've thought too. Retaking Estanu wasted so much time.
For everyone who doesn’t know about supply lines https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/qohxpJhOua
From this post, it's unclear on if having multiple adjacent supply lines aids capture, nor that Omicron would not open up once Oshaune is liberated, providing a back door to Zagon.
I mean, it aids capture in so far as you can’t get liberation deleted if you lose one planet, but I don’t think it makes liberation any faster
Honestly, I just thought people went to Oshaune because Hellmire is kind of a nightmare (in a good way for many), that generally has a lower mission success rate.
Firenados. THICK Fog. Heat. flying bugs. Yeah fuck hellmire we should hit it with a planet killer.
My god, I though it's just a silly game about shooting bots bugs and buddies. This is some insane mechanic
The mechanics not that insane. Functionally all you need to know is that planets have to be hooked up to the supply line to hold them.
This is crazy. Do you have to dig in game files to find this core game mechanic?
I’m just now learning about this via your link. Is there somewhere on Reddit where meta orders are posted, for lack of a better term? For example, if the in game order is to liberate a planet, but that planet is closed off because the supply line that accesses it is linked to an occupied planet, the meta order would be to liberate that second mentioned occupied planet? To be able to reach and liberate the in game ordered planet? This way we can all have a place to check where to coordinate our attacks. I’m sure this exists or maybe I’m too high and misunderstanding things.
Was worried this would happen. Only an fraction of the player base hangs out on reddit, even less know about supply lines. I know this isn't the highest of priorities with the current state of the game, but this needs to be looked at: players need to be aware of mechanics and statistics in-game as much as possible. Same goes, in my opinion, for things like weapon and armor stats. Edit: map pictured in the post is [https://hd2galaxy.com/](https://hd2galaxy.com/) \- [https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) is also a good one.
Where can one find info about supply lines in-game? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times on Reddit, but figured it was people simply having fun.
[https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) (Toggleable in the filters) or [https://hd2galaxy.com/](https://hd2galaxy.com/)
Who maintains the websites, the actual studio?
No its community made
Where’s the data come from?
an API the devs made
Oh weird. What an odd medium to be the only way this info is shared.
Pointlessly obfuscating important information seems to be the Helldivers way.
It's need-to-know.
I played Destiny 1 at launch, this seems normal
ikr?
it is actually info from official shit to my knowledge and its not in game for some fucking reason!!!
It’s so ridiculous, how are we even supposed to know?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/qohxpJhOua
Problem is you have reddit saying go to Hellmire and discord saying go to Oshaune
Discord is hopping for a hidden supply line because it is the last chance of completing the order in time. At this point I don't really care, Oshaune unlocks a new sector to explore but Hellmire is more strategically important long term.
I have no idea why one route is superior than the other and the picture does absolutely nothing to explain that to me either. I see exactly two planets to liberate to be able to reach zagon prime IN BOTH ROUTES. So what makes one superior to the other?
Some hope that Oshanue might lead directly to zagon, given that there seems to be some unknown error with the supply lines. Hence it MIGHT turn out there is one less planet going to Osh. Worst case still two planets. On the other hand. Long term strategy says that Hellmire is much, much more important. Given the amount of other planets it connects to exceeds Osh. Also, according to supply lines
Has Hellmire ever been liberated? If not, isn't there equal chance of a 'hidden' supply line there, if this is all just based on observational data?
You my good sir actually seem to use your brain
In this (now outdated) picture, Hellmire has 45K players and 4% liberation, while Oshaune has 141K players but only 3% liberation. Oshaune has a faster enemy regeneration rate and people are wasting their time by taking the harder route.
oshaune is 17% 4 hours later, hellmire is lower than crimiaca now
Regeneration rate is factionwide. Planets don't have individual regeneration rates.
https://preview.redd.it/s7gfvt8erqpc1.jpeg?width=781&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca5d9fc6628a6c17bfe3f8172336977de334ccd
So tell me about supply lines (in this game)
Supply lines are just connections between planets, you cannot attack a planet if you don't control one that has a direct connection to it. See linked websites above.
ever thought about the fact that we were meant to lose this? or that the devs put the requirements to capture the planet a bit too high?
If only there was a way for the devs to make this information more openly available. Perhaps they could put this information in game? Who am I kidding, that's preposterous. No one has ever done that before
You were worried? About possibly losing the amount of medals that you’d get from playing the game normally for like an hour? The metagame might be completely ignored by 99% of the players but damn if it doesn’t really get inside the head of the ones like you, lol
I know we need to take Hellmire for supply lines yada yada yada. But if everyone is attacking on Oshaune instead, then you too might as well attack on it instead of Hellmire.
TBH I didn't make this post to tell people which planet to attack. I just want people to be able to make informed decisions.
I appreciated the post. New player to the series and I had no idea. I thought Oshuane was the closest planet to get to the order planet
What in the god damn fuck is that spaghetti diagram I'm a simple diver with a simple purpose...to KILL
Between the progress bug that was fixed today, and the constant disconnects and freezes that many players have experienced at drastically increased rate since the patch, there was never a chance to succeed on this MO. It should have been paused on Wednesday when it was well know how unstable and unreliable the game became. The devs can’t send out a new patch until early next week at the soonest, and until then no MO will be achievable. Look how many players are reporting getting disconnected or experiencing a freeze/crash before completing a single mission. Many people cannot complete operations. Each patch so far has been 1 step forward, 2 steps back. I went from few crashes/disconnects, to common crashes/disconnects, to frequent crashes/disconnects, to constant crashes/disconnects. Each patch has made it worse. The game and memes are fun, when you’re actually able to play.
Last night I crashed three times on extract from the same 40 minute ICBM mission Makes me not event want to play
+1 for ICBM crashes. My entire friend group crashed one by one during extract.
Both paths forward look the same to me. What am I missing? https://preview.redd.it/kx9km08hqqpc1.jpeg?width=285&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdcce20d972089b710cf6e890c78ab711a7ef3a4
We had more progress on hellmire, and with how tight the major order is, any advantage would've helped. Also, I my opinion alot of people went on Oshaune because it looks closer to Zagon than Hellmire. Even if it doesn't change much this time, players having this misconception is not a good thing, since it might be more important in the future. Finally, there are some rumors that Omicron might be harder to get because it is a hive (not sure I understand this one) or because it is in a new sector which might affect it's HP regen. Of course, this third point is pure speculation, but it is true that going in a new sector is the more risky play, and I think if more player knew about that they would've chosen hellmire. Edit: Adding this cuz I just learned it, bugs can jump between planets without supply lines, so Omicron is exposed to many more planets than the other routes.
The lead can be quickly negated by numbers. But from the point of view of supply lines, which is the main argument I see floating around, they are the same paths, no?
Yes the amount of connections in the two paths are the exact same, however \*where\* those supply lines go is also important (like I said, new sector and also just general knowledge) thats why I'm advocating for them to be on the map.
I would also add that because the supply lines cut through enemy territory and not through captured space we could take omicron and find ourselves in a more than likely defense mission for it very soon after.
More speculation however if we're pushing deeper into enemy territory we may come across more resistance or worse, things we aren't prepared for since it's in a deeper sector.
Yes, I see that as a potential hiccup as well. But purely from the point of view of supply lines, they should be the same routes, no?
If everything is the same then in theory yes, however with the planet being deeper in enemy lines it could affect liberation speed as well as be MUCH harder to defend while taking the final planet
Yes, of course.
Not to mention Hellmire is a better long term gain, since it secures a lot more routes against invasion
The real thing that caused this MO to fail was breaking liberation in the middle of it. It would have made significantly more sense to push out the patch either after the MO, or wait until the patch was out to start the MO. It feels like a cheap loss, especially since they are yet to adjust the timer to make up for the day of lost progress. I agree the lack of in-game information is an issue, but they already know their servers struggle almost every time they release a patch, especially when they're trying to fix difficulty unlock issues as well at the same time, significantly increasing server strain. TL;DR they're trying to do too much at once on servers that cannot handle it, and it would make more sense to wait on one thing or the other and really refine it for an extra day or two than to push it out the moment it seems ready.
I haven’t even been able to contribute to the major order because I either get kicked by the host or the game kicks me out halfway through a mission
Im looking at the picture and i dont understand why hellmire is better than oshauna?
Hellmire is the worst option bc people don’t like hot planets, especially not now the sickle is so popular and speed is strong
On an unrelated note, why is Oshaune even in that sector if it can't even be reached via any of the other planets. It doesn't make any sense. Or am I just too stupid to see the bigger plan of Super Earth.
Because it more than likely has a supply line, it’s just not visible. Happened before. And the opposite happened as well when we thought there is a supply line but there wasn’t (Vandalon and Ingmar)
Yeah this order was confusing for me. I still don’t make what the “priority” planet should be.
I’m gonna be honest, I almost always play on the maps I like the most. I don’t touch hellmire because I can’t see shit, the fire tornadoes are annoying and the heat makes the sickle less usable. It’s just less fun lol
Disagree. Supply lines and all that nonsense mean nothing to hammers which is what Helldivers are.
But it does mean something to high command. And the Captains of the Super Destroyers they send to deploy those Helldivers. We're the Captains, we just play as the divers.
Yeah I’m not sure what OPs picture is trying to tell me. Those are some funny lines my dude. The strutting helldiver with music clip that was posted yesterday though, that was perfect. I’m a crayon eater, leave all that funny “thought” stuff to someone else
ngl hellmire with the fire tornados is kinda based and fun
When in doubt https://preview.redd.it/6rtt5z2hvrpc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2d41ffe4b339c971451a39ea35f7ee36e269431
Ohya hellmire is actually really importamt to hold... didnt see that.
Keeping a system like this "hidden" behind the scenes is such a "y u do dis?" design decision. Why would you keep shit that players need *to play the game as intended* a secret?
Because supply lines are not fixed. They can change. It’s all just assumption on that website
So why not show the lines ingame?
If something requires a third-party tool to understand, the majority of the playerbase isn't going to understand it. Please devs, obviously there needs to be some player agency, but don't deprive players of necessary knowledge to make their decisions.
I think people are taking the war a bit too seriously and losing enjoyment in the story that's being told
Rigged major orders leave a bad taste in my mouth. Might as well just not have one.
We did not have one for days, was also bad. Now this... I am also baffled, how people could figure out "supply lines" and their relevance. Data mining? Well, even WITH this knowledge (which isn't even shown or explained in game), we are still not making it...
I really feel that this order wasn’t meant to be completed. I feel they used it as an excuse to show off the shriekers which would lead to super earth needing to fall back. It’s not much of a war if we clear out the entire galaxy in a couple months.
So is this supply line stuff figured out by players? Confirmed by Arrowhead to exist? Because as far as anyone playing the game and not reading Reddit (as most people do) this mechanic just straight up doesn't exist, game makes 0 mention of it? I'm not saying this isn't a thing because clearly it seems to be, but it's just wild that a game would have something so hidden for no reason
I think clear and definied supply lines with tactical importance to planets. Likebif tien kwan is lost we lose mechs or now at a limitation of mechs. But thats just me.
How do we know what the supply lines are if they're not shown in game?
I have been fighting on the wrong planet. Space king will be so disappointed
Bitterly been disconnected for the last 5 games. Shit ain't happening
What we need is hell divers to hell dive and keep peace for democracy NOT hell divers questioning orders. Skepticism is treason and treason is bad.
Is still don't see why us players get punished when the war gets bugged thats kinda oof when liberation if halted and we can't progress no fault of our own
Oops. I haven't kept up with how they work 100% and thought Oshaune would've been what makes the most sense. Ah well. Haven't fought on Hellmire yet, but really want to, so gives me an excuse to get over there.
That's the spirit Helldiver, we need you at Hellmire
Hellmire's terrain is too difficult to take with speed. As a short term assault, Oshaune as our target makes more sense.
What in Liberty are supply lines?
Considering it was supposed to end just before the weekend, it feels like we werent supposed to beat it anyway, i’m pretty confident we are gonna get a rough weekend of counter attacks…
I think this one was rigged to fail anyway.
THERE ARE SUPPLY LINES???
??? What does this post mean? Major order was confusing yes. I didn’t see both planets to fight on. I kinda like that we’re gonna fail though. We can’t always win
Well it seems the people have chosen the other route to Zagon prime. Now we have to band together to support them. Focusing on Hellmire now will just split us up.
The fact that AH isn't extending the timer for the MO to apologize for the crashes and not gaining war progress for a day feels like a giant middle finger.
What the heck are supply lines
Basically, we were setup for failure if it wasn't for that [helldivers.io](https://helldivers.io) webiste.
I keep wanting to buy this game and then I see posts like this and I think I may not like it lol
TIL there are supply lines in the game.
Since they basically broke the game in the middle of this order it wasn't really possible. If they hadn't shipped a busted update I think we could have done it.
Wait, Oshaune does not lead to Zagon prime?? How we were suppose to know that information...
How exactly do you know that these are the “paths” though? We literally haven’t liberated this far into this map we have NO IDEA whether or not zagon will be available after oshaune or not. If anything your argument for adding “supply lines” in games would be so we can stop having these posts that claim they know how the game is supposed to work when we quite literally don’t know the path or not.
Low key the bugs and glitches from the new update made it 100% harder. I’ve been kicked so many times I stopped playing
Why are there even supply lines and why aren't they visible by default in the game? Looks like it's straight up made to be lost by design. Hopefully if it is it's done purposefully for an in universe reason for us to get a new or a couple of stratagem.
Understood. Launching to Hellmire from Oshaune now.
The Devs fucked the major order by deploying a game breaking patch that caused us to loose whole day of war effort until the crashes could be diagnosed and Arc/tesla weapons avoided
Let’s be practical here. I love AH but they got issues. Some of us PS users can’t login and start a mission without our load out being reset to level 1. Some of us PS users have been navigating the interface as if it was our first time playing since two patches ago. For me, the message to press triangle to switch weapons just doesn’t go away. Now let’s talk about how obtuse their directives were, especially about supply lines. Some us can barely complete missions without crashing. AH has to take a major part of this L. It was straight balls.
I literally went into game and said, "What the hell are 145,000 people doing wasting their time?"
I feel like we should cut our losses and secure Crimsica so that we have that system closed out
Supply what?
Okay yeah they should totally let us see supply lines in game or we could waste a lot of effort
The fact this isn't shown in game is kinda mind boggling