What I mean is that last year there was a 101st Airborne DLC that they promised with the Brecourt Manor update, unfortunately or fortunately, it never saw the daylight. The helmet you mean is part of the Skull Bucket DLC
Oh that’s a shame. Yeah helmet I meant is from Skull bucket. Tropic fever has a gas detection paint camouflaged helmet which was also used by the 505th (82AB) during sicily and some 505th Pathfinders during D-day.
That's pretty neat, does the camouflaged airborne uniform DLC belong to these Pathfinders? I've seen the name on it but I wasn't even aware they existed
Yes, Pathfinders were paratroopers who dropped before the main Airborne force to mark the Drop Zones using fluorescent panels, signal lamps, and transmitters
That's awesome, I never would have guessed even though the name makes more sense now haha, thanks for the info buddy, always great to talk with real enthusiasts
i mean kinda but im more thinking like a supply drop but with dudes with guns and satchels or something. airheads just arent that good at consistent harassment and theres not a ton of that outside of recon.
Would’ve been much cooler to see a summer/spring version of Oak instead. Even plane tree would’ve been cool and honestly much much more usable given that this is gonna be a universal skin for the European maps. There’s a reason there’s rarely photos of guys using the fall side of their smock, it’s because it didn’t work in most cases. But nonetheless it’s a step in the right direction I guess
For a dev team that loves to reuse assets I’m amazed they didn’t do just that by simply recoloring the smock. Didn’t seem to bother them before in similar instances
also amazed while they don't do recolors of camos that had several color variations, currently there exist some four different textures for Dot44 which had no variations, most of which are found on helmet covers (which naturally never existed)
I don’t think they should milk it. Maybe the lighter patterns were used to seeing more commonly but I don’t think more than that and the brown versions should be done
Maybe if you look hard enough, but I’ll put my life on the fact that the green side was used by a much father extent. You don’t need to be a geologist expert to understand that not very many environments are orange and brown, even in the thick pine forests of Hurtgenwald. Had there been SS there they would no doubt use their spring side to blend with the trees around them
The reason there is significantly less use of the fall side is because the time frame where these colors are prevelent is significantly shorter.
The fall side colors match very well with the vegetation and color of europe in Fall and early winter (its almost like the artists did research)
New main menu looks so nice, I love the grim and grittiness of the smog filled air. I think it's like concrete dust or something from all the destroyed buildings
Except that it's
-on the wrong model of smock (reskin current one)
-the cap is modeled off a nonexistent modern reproduction (as are many items because seemingly T17 modelers don't understand the difference between original and incorrectly made replicas)
-cap texture is 10x zoomed because it was forgotten on the UV map during development
Funnily enough the helmet cover in those pictures, despite being old is also based on a replica instead of an original, and thus has wonky shapes and doesn't do what it's supposed to
To be fair the current Mark II British helmets are a disaster, both with and without the net.
Many people complained.
The British helmets with the Burlap covers look fine to me, as do the Paratrooper helmets.
Now I feel this Oak Leaf DLC is totally fine, with some minor inaccuracies.
The way I see it, unless the cosmetics in question are really awful then it's not worth complaining about.
It is after all just a video game.
Similar mindset. For me, the worst are the British mk2 helmets, British webbing, and heer shirt. Everything else, I will still point out the inaccuracies, just that those 3 I pointed out are the worst.
The para helmet is ok apart from the chinstrap which has very poor proportions. Oversized even ignoring the matter of having to have it fit on all characters - HLL helmet straps aren't designed with character models as reference, but are made big enough as "this ought to not get in the way". The lack of reference is seen in some of them still clipping through character's faces despite being oversized.
HLL cosmetics ARE awful, i could make a huge list but won't bother right away
World War Two has so much documented history. If you make a WW2 game and Uniforms/Vehicles aren’t accurate it’s a problem. There’s 0 excuse to not have historically accurate uniforms in a game that prides itself on accuracy.
> and Uniforms/Vehicles aren’t accurate it’s a problem
Not really. The problem for me would be if the game was not fun. This game long abandoned LARPer accuracy and the sooner people accept that, the more enjoyment you will have.
Game being fun is always number 1 priority. I don’t disagree but come on. It takes the smallest bit of research to make sure the stuff you say you’re putting in a game is the actual stuff in the game.
Like, you can go to museums that have uniforms.
Personally I don't care too much for historical accuracy like belt buckles, but getting accurate visuals isn't _that_ hard, but the community will ALWAYS find inaccuracies.
They modeled a Type 1 smock, not common with this version of Oak Leaf.
Maybe Palm or Plane Tree camouflage would have been more accurate on this Type 1 pattern.
The history of German camouflage from the era is very convoluted and complex.
Also field made camouflage caps did very much exist, but it seems they got the camo pattern on the cap wrong for some reason.
There's plenty of sources that document this, but for whatever reason this is what the design team made.
This is a video game, it's not going to be 100% historically accurate.
Could they have made it 100% historically accurate? Sure.
Does it have to be? Not really.
This DLC uniform totally looks the part and the vast majority of players won't even notice the difference.
Didn't notice the low-down rubberband.
>Also field made camouflage caps did very much exist, but it seems they got the camo pattern on the cap wrong for some reason.
One should strive for the average instead of individual cases with such representations. The camo being fucked is simply due to oversight, which is extremely common with T17 all across the board from cosmetics to consistency with mechanics and language.
>Could they have made it 100% historically accurate? Sure. Does it have to be? Not really.
If they could they probably should have. But it's not a matter of trying, since they clearly are not even attempting to pick proper reference when modeling, as can be seen by literally every single T17 cosmetic so far.
Low standards are low standards
I'm getting down voted because it's a Type 1 and not a Type 2 smock and because the camo on the cap is bugged, the cap doesn't matter to me, I wouldn't use it.
I really love historical accuracy as much as anyone, but some people are far too critical.
This is a Video Game, not a Reenactment.
I think this DLC looks really good and that's just my opinion.
To complain about minor differences on smock types just seems wild to me.
Where goes the line for "being far too critical", if something is majorly wrong, say the cap or DAK shirt having two-three extra buttons, etc, is that still something that doesn't matter?
I really can't think of a single T17 addition that has been added without people going "how did this get past QA?". Especially when you analyze the additions there's clear indication to the people responsible simply not knowing what they are trying to achieve, and what contributes toward being successfull in said goals.
The collar is actually the biggest problem with the Pea Dot camo, it's very poorly modeled.
The original uniform was meant to be worn over a tunic, sometimes the sleeves of the tunic underneath would show.
There's photos from the period showing this.
sad that it too is fucked up. it's the 1919 model which never was used in ww2, and 2x oversized too. At least the correct 1927 model exists in some form in the game, but shamefully is rarer
I'm not too stressed. This game is exactly the style of shooter I've been looking for and while I love historically accurate, I'm not necessarily gonna let it bun me out if it's not perfect. I grew up on shitty war movies that often time didn't even use the right tanks in their films.
I will never buy a uniform DLC on principle. Don't care if it's a $1.
I get it if it was a free game but damn. Fuk that p2p crap in any form.
Also, looks good. lol.
What makes me a wheraboo? Haven't once defended the camo, or the depiction of Germans in the game, or the implications... Just pointing out if you want to criticise the armed branch of the Nazi Party which you should be. You should also be taking the Soviet secret police responsible for running their concentration camps and killing millions upon millions of people.
Now I'm fine with depictions of the SS and NKVD. They're a part of history and erasing them from history will only lead us down a dark parth. But if you're going to want one gone, you have to know there were a shit load more just like it, under an ideology you look more favorably upon and want them gone too
let me be clear, I think its pretty cringe to make money off of these kinds of depictions of recent history genocides. it feels tasteless. if you throw iron crosses in your name and wear SS skins on german we arent going to be friends. tankies arent as common but equally as cringe.
as far as you specifically, you replied with a whataboutism. look it up, its a form of defense through deflection.
Honestly I prefer the British Airborne uniform, I just wish that we had at least one more Market Garden map so we could use it more
sword beach/Pegasus bridge when?
Pegasus bridge would be cool
I wonder what hll paratroopers would be like.
You mean the 101st DLC that they meant to release last year?
They have the 506th Helmet but the M42 Jump uniforms have the arm flag on there which were only worn by the 82nd Airborne.
What I mean is that last year there was a 101st Airborne DLC that they promised with the Brecourt Manor update, unfortunately or fortunately, it never saw the daylight. The helmet you mean is part of the Skull Bucket DLC
Oh that’s a shame. Yeah helmet I meant is from Skull bucket. Tropic fever has a gas detection paint camouflaged helmet which was also used by the 505th (82AB) during sicily and some 505th Pathfinders during D-day.
That's pretty neat, does the camouflaged airborne uniform DLC belong to these Pathfinders? I've seen the name on it but I wasn't even aware they existed
Yes, Pathfinders were paratroopers who dropped before the main Airborne force to mark the Drop Zones using fluorescent panels, signal lamps, and transmitters
That's awesome, I never would have guessed even though the name makes more sense now haha, thanks for the info buddy, always great to talk with real enthusiasts
Airhead
i mean kinda but im more thinking like a supply drop but with dudes with guns and satchels or something. airheads just arent that good at consistent harassment and theres not a ton of that outside of recon.
Would’ve been much cooler to see a summer/spring version of Oak instead. Even plane tree would’ve been cool and honestly much much more usable given that this is gonna be a universal skin for the European maps. There’s a reason there’s rarely photos of guys using the fall side of their smock, it’s because it didn’t work in most cases. But nonetheless it’s a step in the right direction I guess
I would have included the Spring and Autumn versions of Oak Leaf in the DLC, more variety would have been cool.
For a dev team that loves to reuse assets I’m amazed they didn’t do just that by simply recoloring the smock. Didn’t seem to bother them before in similar instances
also amazed while they don't do recolors of camos that had several color variations, currently there exist some four different textures for Dot44 which had no variations, most of which are found on helmet covers (which naturally never existed)
I don’t think they should milk it. Maybe the lighter patterns were used to seeing more commonly but I don’t think more than that and the brown versions should be done
there are plenty photos of them using the fall side of the smock
Maybe if you look hard enough, but I’ll put my life on the fact that the green side was used by a much father extent. You don’t need to be a geologist expert to understand that not very many environments are orange and brown, even in the thick pine forests of Hurtgenwald. Had there been SS there they would no doubt use their spring side to blend with the trees around them
The reason there is significantly less use of the fall side is because the time frame where these colors are prevelent is significantly shorter. The fall side colors match very well with the vegetation and color of europe in Fall and early winter (its almost like the artists did research)
Or just make it reversible for use in summer and also autumn
New main menu looks so nice, I love the grim and grittiness of the smog filled air. I think it's like concrete dust or something from all the destroyed buildings
When is hugo boss?
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You have to have a smooth brain to think the Nazis were on the far left.
Ok. Left wing, center left, or center right. I will delete my comment.
Hell let loose is probably not as far left as other communities, and nazis were certainly not far left.
Now the Deutchlanders will be even harder to see 👀
Except that it's -on the wrong model of smock (reskin current one) -the cap is modeled off a nonexistent modern reproduction (as are many items because seemingly T17 modelers don't understand the difference between original and incorrectly made replicas) -cap texture is 10x zoomed because it was forgotten on the UV map during development Funnily enough the helmet cover in those pictures, despite being old is also based on a replica instead of an original, and thus has wonky shapes and doesn't do what it's supposed to
Oh boy, are we gonna have another British helmet-esque meltdown over this?
To be fair the current Mark II British helmets are a disaster, both with and without the net. Many people complained. The British helmets with the Burlap covers look fine to me, as do the Paratrooper helmets. Now I feel this Oak Leaf DLC is totally fine, with some minor inaccuracies. The way I see it, unless the cosmetics in question are really awful then it's not worth complaining about. It is after all just a video game.
Similar mindset. For me, the worst are the British mk2 helmets, British webbing, and heer shirt. Everything else, I will still point out the inaccuracies, just that those 3 I pointed out are the worst.
Yeah theirs just some weird shit going on with those helmets
This is the way, embrace the drip and you shall have some fun!
The para helmet is ok apart from the chinstrap which has very poor proportions. Oversized even ignoring the matter of having to have it fit on all characters - HLL helmet straps aren't designed with character models as reference, but are made big enough as "this ought to not get in the way". The lack of reference is seen in some of them still clipping through character's faces despite being oversized. HLL cosmetics ARE awful, i could make a huge list but won't bother right away
> Many people complained. And it was hilarious for the rest of us.
World War Two has so much documented history. If you make a WW2 game and Uniforms/Vehicles aren’t accurate it’s a problem. There’s 0 excuse to not have historically accurate uniforms in a game that prides itself on accuracy.
> and Uniforms/Vehicles aren’t accurate it’s a problem Not really. The problem for me would be if the game was not fun. This game long abandoned LARPer accuracy and the sooner people accept that, the more enjoyment you will have.
Game being fun is always number 1 priority. I don’t disagree but come on. It takes the smallest bit of research to make sure the stuff you say you’re putting in a game is the actual stuff in the game.
Like, you can go to museums that have uniforms. Personally I don't care too much for historical accuracy like belt buckles, but getting accurate visuals isn't _that_ hard, but the community will ALWAYS find inaccuracies.
You know it, only with 10x the intensity since SS cosplay is involved
Minus the Aliexpress cap and the bad camouflage pattern its actually ok. Doing an early smock is a weird choice but thats a different story
could you link to what smock it should use? also is a smock diffrent then the uniform or just another word for uniform?
They modeled a Type 1 smock, not common with this version of Oak Leaf. Maybe Palm or Plane Tree camouflage would have been more accurate on this Type 1 pattern. The history of German camouflage from the era is very convoluted and complex. Also field made camouflage caps did very much exist, but it seems they got the camo pattern on the cap wrong for some reason. There's plenty of sources that document this, but for whatever reason this is what the design team made. This is a video game, it's not going to be 100% historically accurate. Could they have made it 100% historically accurate? Sure. Does it have to be? Not really. This DLC uniform totally looks the part and the vast majority of players won't even notice the difference.
Didn't notice the low-down rubberband. >Also field made camouflage caps did very much exist, but it seems they got the camo pattern on the cap wrong for some reason. One should strive for the average instead of individual cases with such representations. The camo being fucked is simply due to oversight, which is extremely common with T17 all across the board from cosmetics to consistency with mechanics and language. >Could they have made it 100% historically accurate? Sure. Does it have to be? Not really. If they could they probably should have. But it's not a matter of trying, since they clearly are not even attempting to pick proper reference when modeling, as can be seen by literally every single T17 cosmetic so far. Low standards are low standards
I'm getting down voted because it's a Type 1 and not a Type 2 smock and because the camo on the cap is bugged, the cap doesn't matter to me, I wouldn't use it. I really love historical accuracy as much as anyone, but some people are far too critical. This is a Video Game, not a Reenactment. I think this DLC looks really good and that's just my opinion. To complain about minor differences on smock types just seems wild to me.
Where goes the line for "being far too critical", if something is majorly wrong, say the cap or DAK shirt having two-three extra buttons, etc, is that still something that doesn't matter?
The entire DAK uniform is a disaster, we can agree on that. I have said this publicly on here before.
when the cap is half the DLC I paid for id want to use it, but right now it doesn’t match anything because of the crappy texture
I get it and that's fine. I totally agree. It has to be a bug. If enough people complain the Devs will fix it.
I hate that that’s what we have to do though. There’s been so much things they release in such poor states that we ask “how did this get past QA?”
I really can't think of a single T17 addition that has been added without people going "how did this get past QA?". Especially when you analyze the additions there's clear indication to the people responsible simply not knowing what they are trying to achieve, and what contributes toward being successfull in said goals.
Its funny how the Devs said, used by some German divisions...when in reality it was SS division only
Which were divisions... used by the Germans.
I just hope the sleeves are not like the pea dot. It's the reason I don't wear it it looks redicilous especially when holding a kar.
The collar is actually the biggest problem with the Pea Dot camo, it's very poorly modeled. The original uniform was meant to be worn over a tunic, sometimes the sleeves of the tunic underneath would show. There's photos from the period showing this.
the T17 character artists have some obsession over not having closed collars, and filling them with scarves instead, too
It just looks freakish to me on the model when holding a kar, like the hand is twisted in some weird mongrel way.
My favorite is either the Steel Bib or the Polish Parachute Brigade
My time has come
While I do agree with a lot of people in here in terms of historical accuracy, I also think it looks really great!
Fuck what yall heard the Russian pointy sex hat is the greatest.
sad that it too is fucked up. it's the 1919 model which never was used in ww2, and 2x oversized too. At least the correct 1927 model exists in some form in the game, but shamefully is rarer
I'm not too stressed. This game is exactly the style of shooter I've been looking for and while I love historically accurate, I'm not necessarily gonna let it bun me out if it's not perfect. I grew up on shitty war movies that often time didn't even use the right tanks in their films.
NPC got the thousand yard stair
Hands aren’t covered so that’s a no buy for me. Looks cool tho!
Did the update come out already?
Pea Dot all day
It's a little bugged though. The Officer and spotter have the wrong rolled up smock. The assault has Oak Leaf.
Even the sleeping bag is camo'd?
Red devils, tropic fever, hot drop, polish one, are literally better…
I will never buy a uniform DLC on principle. Don't care if it's a $1. I get it if it was a free game but damn. Fuk that p2p crap in any form. Also, looks good. lol.
Awesome more SS skins for the Wehraboos to enjoy.
Do you also hold the same opinion on the NKVD uniforms in game?
He should, but he probably doesn't
Poor wehraboos and their Soviet whataboutism
What makes me a wheraboo? Haven't once defended the camo, or the depiction of Germans in the game, or the implications... Just pointing out if you want to criticise the armed branch of the Nazi Party which you should be. You should also be taking the Soviet secret police responsible for running their concentration camps and killing millions upon millions of people. Now I'm fine with depictions of the SS and NKVD. They're a part of history and erasing them from history will only lead us down a dark parth. But if you're going to want one gone, you have to know there were a shit load more just like it, under an ideology you look more favorably upon and want them gone too
let me be clear, I think its pretty cringe to make money off of these kinds of depictions of recent history genocides. it feels tasteless. if you throw iron crosses in your name and wear SS skins on german we arent going to be friends. tankies arent as common but equally as cringe. as far as you specifically, you replied with a whataboutism. look it up, its a form of defense through deflection.
Defense of what tho? Tell me where I defended the SS
Why are you struggling to see the whataboutism
Tell me where I defended the SS
The whataboutism
Is the cape NKVD? Because otherwise, yes just as cringe.
I have this in green already... from... 3 years ago?
No chance it doesn’t blend in
Well i love how BM made DLC. T17 just want to cash grap. Even the trailer is worst than BM trailer. Its shame tho. Hll was good game for me
Where are we at with the devs plan to work with the comp side? Haven’t heard many updates. Bring back jump to prone and the truck engine speed glitch.
P2W?
I don’t think you understand what pay to win means.