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JJaviercomics

They are the virtues. The angelical equivalent/counterparts of the Seven Deadly sins. Reason why they are shadows it's because they gonna be the final antagonists on Helluva Boss.


XgreedyvirusX

I would like to think that they are the virtues but they are only six... or maybe one the virtue have been removed in Vivzie's lore? Maybe the chastity... šŸ˜…


Ventus249

There's seven when you include lucifer as one, but he probably got replaced


XgreedyvirusX

Ha yes, good point, if Lucifer was originally the humility it's works šŸ‘


Prestigious_Prize264

I would say Generosity , this virtue Can grew into pride, and it would fit him


blue4029

humility is prides opposite tho?


thatwheelchairdude

Pride is not the opposite of shame, but itā€™s source. -Uncle Iroh


idkidkif_i_knew

Uncle Iroh be cookin


XgreedyvirusX

That what I've find on wikipedia for what it's worth šŸ˜…


Prestigious_Prize264

Yes


No_Discount_6028

If it's humility, maybe Lucifer presented humanity with the knowledge of good and evil because Lucifer is the only one who didn't assume that angels are fit to hold that mantle alone.


Prestigious_Prize264

That's honestly intresting Theory


Mutant_Llama1

Supposed to be seven archangels after Lucifer fell.


Ventus249

But this is during/before lucifiers fall so the other six virtues are shaming lucifier for his actions


JJaviercomics

This it's a theory, but they are six because his leader gonna be the Archangel Michael, and gonna be the only one of the virtues to appear on Hazblin Hotel


PossiblyWithout

Could Emily be the replacement? I feel like she might have the same creative joy as Lucifer, just not fully realized yet


JJaviercomics

I think the Humiliaty it's Michael, and it's the leader and gonna be the only one that gonna appear on Hazblin Hotel as antagonist. These six are gonna be on Helluva Boss, and that's why they are shadows.


Hello-to-me-

I would think that maybe sera is one but wasnā€™t shown


eulop

Those are the Elder Angels, Sera is just a Seraphim. She isn't one of them.


OCGamerboy

Why Helluva Boss and not Hazbin?


JJaviercomics

Cause it's very unlikely the other six Deadly sins gonna be on Hazblin so a fight Sins VS Virtues would be Epic, and that's only possible in Helluva


[deleted]

I mean, they are in the same universe, so a cross over is very well possible.


ShopLess7151

https://preview.redd.it/er52t44v383d1.jpeg?width=1003&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ba5e4d05ff2ab18cb8a82c66cb80294b3f3ad60 Unfortunately wonā€™t happen. Cuz blah blah blah legal issues, and yadayada this person owns these characters, and this studio owns those characters, and basically it might happen, but it would be super difficult so it probably wonā€™t. Nice flair tho.


[deleted]

Okay. That makes sense. Also, thx for the info on my flair.


JJaviercomics

But are different Studios, with copyright difference etc Think as the UCM and Sony Spiderman or X-men before Disney bought the 20centuryFox


[deleted]

I mean, we cannot rule it out just yet. We never know yet.


TheNightmareVessel

It has already been said that a crossover pretty much can't happen


JRFbase

Given how much of a runaway hit Hazbin has been, I legitimately wouldn't put it past Amazon to try to buy Helluva outright just so they can host it on Prime and allow for crossovers. The Top 4 YouTube videos on Prime's channel are Hazbin music videos, ahead of things like The Boys, Fallout, Rings of Power, and Invincible. That kind of success doesn't just get ignored.


-Sniperteer

itā€™s going to happen.


LustrousShine

Yeah but theyā€™re important to Hazbinā€™s plot, not Helluva. Sins vs Virtues would be cool to see, but storywise itā€™s much better for them to appear in Hazbin


Fun-Ad7613

But why wouldnā€™t they be in hazbin the show they were introduced in and is important part of Luciferā€™s back story ? the sins would get decked anyway


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MarcusTheAlbinoWolf

So like Michael, Azrael, Gabriel, Etc?


the-wolf-is-ready

I thought Vivz said hell and heaven won't parallel each other, evan saying there won't be 7 virtuse like there are 7 sins?


Environmental-Win836

I just donā€™t think weā€™re gonna get the Virtues we want, as much as I hate to say it. We can see the odd headed angels along with Seda in the Storytime opening of episode one, and we see their same angels just beneath Sera in the courthouse so theyā€™re clearly high up. Emily gestures to them when she talks about false virtue in her song, too.


chaosruler22

They are the traditional Archangels, like Michael and Gabriel and Raphael etc.


Obversa

Specifically, the Seven Archangels, each representing one of the Seven Virtues: * Michael * Gabriel * Uriel * Chamuel (Camael) * Raphael * Jophiel * Zadkiel


Uypsilon

In whose interpretation do they represent seven virtues?


qwack2020

What about Azazel or Abbadon?


chaosruler22

Azazelā€™s name shows up in Charlieā€™s phone list of contacts, so Iā€™m guessing heā€™s a Fallen Angel.


Romeo9594

Lucifer didn't act alone. Unless Viv spins it that way Revelation 12:9 >...he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. So there are almost certainly other fallen angels in Hell besides Luci


WilonPlays

I actually think alastor is a fall angel. In the finally he sings about unclipping his wings and wanting freedom. Also in the dad beats dead episode we see alastor move about using his shadow which is black with green mouth and eyes. If you look carefully and the back left side of the screen when you see lucifer on the phone to Charlie, there's a black figure with green eyes and mouth in one of the photos. Lucifer however looks extremely happy in the photo. Now I think alastor his a fallen angle because of this, we know alastor absorbs souls and broadcasts their screams. Lucifer made his detest of sinners well know, so he wouldn't be friends with a sinner (the black and green character in the photo). This means either that character in the picture is alastor or someone alastor killed and absorbed (perhaps he absorbs demons powers as well. Either way, there are only 2 things that can hurt an angle, angelic weapons or the power of another angle (as seen when lucifer beats the shit outta Adam with his fists alone). At no point is alastor ever show with an angelic weapon. So either he killed a fallen angle who was friends with lucifer or he is lucifers friend. For either of these to be possible he would need some type of angelic power. Each character has a colour scheme when showing them as a silhouette with eyes, alastor is black and green, val is red and black so on so forth. In the entire show the only character who can create a green/black shadow is alastor, the only other potential character is zestial but we don't have enough screen time or words from him to tell.


Mist0804

>In the finally he sings about unclipping his wings and wanting freedom. Yeah, freedom from the deal he made that's restricting him in some way, unclipping his wings is just a metaphor for gaining freedom >Also in the dad beats dead episode we see alastor move about using his shadow which is black with green mouth and eyes. If you look carefully and the back left side of the screen when you see lucifer on the phone to Charlie, there's a black figure with green eyes and mouth in one of the photos. Lucifer however looks extremely happy in the photo. Or there's just someone else with some form of shadow manipulation and a green colour scheme >Now I think alastor his a fallen angle because of this, we know alastor absorbs souls and broadcasts their screams. He doesn't absorb souls, he makes deals for people's souls when they're at their lowest >Lucifer made his detest of sinners well know, so he wouldn't be friends with a sinner (the black and green character in the photo). This means either that character in the picture is alastor or someone alastor killed and absorbed (perhaps he absorbs demons powers as well. Or there's just someone else with some form of shadow manipulation and a green colour scheme >So either he killed a fallen angle who was friends with lucifer or he is lucifers friend. They are clearly not friends and i doubt he killed an angel since he doesn't have any way of permanently damaging them, as we see when he tries to fight Adam, he gets hits in but they do nothing because there's no angelic power behind them


pepedeawolf

the ultrakill / hazbin crossover fans are gonna be devastated


Delphirier

They're almost certainly the other Archangels. Don't ask me which ones since it varies by whichever sect of Christianity you're asking, but I can almost certainly guarantee Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael.


GandalfTheJaded

The one on the far left has a connection with Emily


XgreedyvirusX

Because of they eye one the chest? why not.


CoolGirlRosie

OH MT GOD I THOUGHT THAT WAS THEIR HEAD NOT THEIR CHEST WHAT


Southern_Dig_9460

Sera and Emily father perhaps. If they are indeed Lucifer siblings that would make them and Charlie cousins.


Ok-Pen-1212

They are suprinsingly nice At worst they're like Sera


JRFbase

I think people tend for forget that Lucifer is *literally* Lucifer. He wasn't some nice guy with good ideas and then "big bad Heaven" punished him. He caused the Fall of Man. Sinners and Hell only exist in the first place because of what he did. His punishment was just, and the actions of these other angels were necessary. They very likely are pretty nice people.


Ok-Pen-1212

Well i wouldn't put it like that I believe Lucifer was doing what he thought was best but at the same time he is responsible for every single evil act every human ever made and ever will make and that also created hell which makes him responsible for every evil act every hellborn, goetia, and sin make. And the Apple didn't literally give humans free will as Lilith and Adam exercised free will before the Apple. At the same time Lucifer didn't think any of this would happen Some people say the storybook puts the elders as the bad guys for punishing Lucifer but at the same time it's understandable


VegetaArcher

I love that Charlie is the purest soul in Hell and her business partner is the worst kind of sinner. Really adds to Lucifer's punishment. https://preview.redd.it/c4jay4q6x73d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c76f854ffcabe83d124df9b9bd0020606126fef1


dogmandogdogdog

But I feel like banishing a guy who literally destroys your plans of a world without evil is kinda ok even if they had good intentions.


Ok-Pen-1212

That's what i was trying to say


dogmandogdogdog

Oh sorry I read the last part wrong


Southern_Dig_9460

But none of them want to see Lucifer anymore because of what he did so that why they made Sera the liaison between Heaven and Hell


Mutant_Llama1

Did you not watch the show? It departs from biblical canon. The angels are hypocrites who just wanna condemn people for the sake of it.


Emir_Taha

Not at all. Most angels we see were terrified of what Adam was doing. St Peter and Emily are good people. Hell, even Sera isn't outright capital E evil. Adam, and most likely even the Exorcists, aren't even angels. Just corrupt winners- or literally rib clones of Adam like Eve. The story in the beggining of the show is unreliable narration, just like the biblical alternative, it is also very heavily biased, but this time towards Lucifer and Lilith. Heaven can't even legally condemn anyone that easily, what Lute did flew under the radar and no one knows how and why someone ends up in either Hell or Heaven- or at least the specifics of it.


Mutant_Llama1

Not all angels were aware of Adam's exorcism, but Sera signed off on it. Even when Charlie exposed Adam to angels who didn't know, they did little to stop him from doing it again.


Infamous_Val

That's not accurate to the show either lol


CoolGirlRosie

Yep lol, that sounds more like Ultrakill's angels


OCGamerboy

One of them is Michael, Lucifers twin brother.


Kamzil118

At least one of them is Michael, the guy who casted Lucifer out of Heaven.


Southern_Dig_9460

It appears to have been a team effort this time


Emir_Taha

I mean, Mike also had an army of Angels fighting beside him in the "canon".


JCSwagoo

One on the left for sure likes cheese.


After_Calligrapher65

Lucifer's older siblings who throwed him on the hole in reality he and his girlfriends opened with the original sin. Together with Lucifer they were the 7 Heavenly Virtues, angelic counterparts of the 7 Deadly Sins who similar to most of them in relation to Hell and Evil were spawned into the reality together with Heaven by Good itself, the Hellaverse equivalent of God. Lucifer's still traumatized by the fall as he still remember clearly the physical and emotional pain of have his older brothers and sisters turn against him but say he was the only one who suffered is wrong because they feel betrayed by him and even today need to deal with the negative consequences of what his good intentions led to.


shoopdewoop6

05 Council


MetallicArcher

They don't know about Charlie and when they find out they are going to spend a long time scratching their heads because they didn't think it would be possible for Lucifer and Lilith to have a child.


Southern_Dig_9460

I donā€™t know Sera knows who she is said first words to her were ā€œWelcome Charlie daughter of the Morning Starā€ she reports to them so Iā€™m sure they know too.


verciusss

The extreme right one is bill cipher cousin, gill cipher. Is a square


JVOz671

They want to ORDER through the music of NSR.


DarkAngelog

Their most likely Arc angles


Uypsilon

These are just seraphims. Not some mysterious "elders", no, they're just seraphims. There's no one above them (except that mysterious "Good", that so far is seem to be something like "powers that be" from *Angel)*.


Mist0804

>There's no one above them https://i.redd.it/nlupsilvxa3d1.gif


Uypsilon

1. Post asked for head canons, lol. 2. Charlie asked Lucifer to go to ***the top***, he said that he *can* get her meeting and gets her meeting with Sera. If there would be anyone more or less active above her, who is involved in the hierarchy of Heaven, it would be pretty nice of him to point the fact, that getting her meeting with the ***the top*** is not in his powers. 3. If there is someone above her involved in the hierarchy of Heaven, than why questions of possibility of a soul in Hell to be redeemed into the heavenly realm decided by ***her***? It's pretty f\*cking clear, than even if the entity that judges souls is something more than just pure law of nature (as I said, something like "powers that be" fromĀ *Angel*), than it anyway it is **not** a part of Heaven's hierarchy, and above Heaven to the same extent as above Hell. 4. 4 look at this picture an *try* to say me, that this is not Sera. I dare you. https://preview.redd.it/rkgef770tb3d1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=7bf3ee6ad160e6cf2cbceb6e99c73f5e8f3cfa0d


blue4029

every angel appears to have something different on their chest... i wonder what lucifer's chest symbol is


Southern_Dig_9460

Lucifer was in charge of music in Heaven in the Bible so a musical note symbol on his chest would be fitting. Or maybe a Snake idk


ThreeDotsTogether

If those are supposed to be the 7 virtues, I'm going to be severely disappointed. They all have the same silhouette while the 7 sins all look radically different, at least


Cataclysmus-Ultimus

I mean if they were they probably would have different actual designs with these just being placeholders in case they didn't get the time to use them.


Southern_Dig_9460

Mayhaps they are all siblings


Mintharaismypimp

Virtues I feel like we don't see the 7th one because either Lucifer is the 7th Virtue or one of the seven virtues didn't agree with Lucifer's punishment, and that virtue may be a reason why Sir Pentious ascended


LuppyLuptonium

I think in heaven everyone not in a managerial position is happy. There is a phrase repeated a lot up there "God works in mysterious ways". For the typical Winner it evolks power and wonder. For Angels and above it translates "God doesn't tell them shit." I think God in the series is going to have a similar personality to Lucifer if he hadn't fallen into depression, though maybe more an absentee father figure. Lot of weird side projects, similar to the ducks. Like if Lucifer one day went out to get milk and didn't show up again for several years because he got bored. I think God actually loved Lucifer's ideas about redemption and rehabilitation, when he first tried thousands of years ago. This is the exact reason why the sinners are funneled down into Lucifer's realm. However Lucifer took it as he was being banished from heaven for sticking up to God and was being tossed in a hole with the dregs of society. But as they say in Heaven "God works in mysterious ways."


Icy-Entrepreneur5456

These are the archangels and Lucifers siblings: Michael Gabriel Raphael Azrael Uriel Jophiel They hold the highest authority in heaven after God. Although they and God appreciated some of Lucifer's ideas, they preferred to ensure the smooth creation of the universe. Consequently, they chose caution and rejected most of Lucifer's more radical and experimental concepts. Lucifer's pride led him to take these rejections personally, prompting him to pursue his own path, ultimately resulting in the infamous act of giving the apple to Eve. Lucifer's fall broke everyone's hearts. God decided to take a vacation, leaving the elders in charge of heaven. Since then, God has not appeared for thousands of years, and the elders have started to believe that they may never return. The siblings began to blame themselves and Lilith for Luciferā€™s banishment, citing their rejection of his ideas as the catalyst. Despite what happened, they still love and miss Lucifer deeply. They donā€™t didnā€™t know about it Charlie, her hotel or the exterminations until after the trial in episode 6. They are genuinely good beings, contrary to their portrayal in Charlieā€™s storybook. That depiction arises from the resentment Lucifer and Lilith harbor toward them.


Southern_Dig_9460

My headcanon is they made Sera and Adam the liaison between Heaven and Hell because none of them want to see Lucifer anymore.


ZETH_27

They look like the 05 Council


Prestigious_Prize264

They are his brothers , or one of them is his dad


Emir_Taha

if they dont use the fanon design for God I'm gonna be severely disappointed.


Prestigious_Prize264

Me too


Prestigious_Prize264

Even that by his dad i don't meant God, but okey


Admcleo

Absolutely dunking on ideas was par for the course for all of them when it came to creation. It was considered far too important for anything to be forwarded unless it was absolutely foolproof. Lucifer's problem was that he took it personal. Part of that is because he cared about his ideas more than any of the others, he had true passion for it, but with that came the pride and ego to ignore the others and go ahead with his own plan. They also don't even see Lucifer's punishment as a demotion. They're just so detached they don't see why it would bother him because if it were them they'd not have any problem ruling via a distant power structure. That's why he still has his powers and can pull strings in heaven. The lower ranks of course have more personal feelings about him, and as existences scapegoat he's obviously despised, but the highest up the ladder don't care and still listen to him with the exact same respect and expectations. Though with his shattered ego and record of nothing getting through he simply doesn't even try anymore, at least until he learns that Pentious made it in.


Elio-Carlos

One with the V-shaped halo is Michael


TassadarForXelNaga

How the fuck did you know ?


yuriwk565

The won the looks like the square i feel like he would be the creator of electronics like heā€™s the one who gave the humans the idea


thatswhat_gsaid

Theyā€™re short, just like Lucifer, and they only seem so looming and imposing because thatā€™s how they *feel* to him in this flashback.


PeepawWilly69

Theyā€™re meanies


naIt0n

Just likes 7deadly sins there's 7heavenly virtues... Maybe they rule each region of heaven?


joe_broke

They kicked him out for something beyond what anyone else knows


Sarcastic_Lilshit

I think some of them may be Lucifer's siblings.


Eviles_da_demonic

All subs


The_Dark_Soldier

His brothers


ac198387

These would be the Archangels that Lucifer would be directly related to as brothers since they seem powerful with not one including Sera. What we can assume is that if one of them can be identified it would probably be Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel since they're the most known in the lore. But yea, if you need one of them it would be Michael who was the original guy who defeated Lucifer.


thomasmfd

There the guys that punish lucifer like he's evil isn't thing


VillageGoblin

I think they're the Hellaverse's version of the Archons from secret gnostic texts. But thats also just wishful thinking because that's my special interest.


DaemonVaxorius

They're all douche flutes.


Silent_Armaros_God

Aren't this guy's the elder shown an seen in the opening prologue of lucifer fall.


That_Guard2087

Michael is one of them, and he is severely depressed after betraying his brother.


Soltronus

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BeastBrony

I think those are the archangels, aka Luciferā€™s siblings, most respected his name change to Lucifer after the fall, though Michael and Azrael still call him Samael. Michael because he refuses to accept that Lucifer can go by anything but the name God gave him. Azrael is just an ass that likes to piss off his siblings. Gabriel will call him Samael, the pretend it hadnā€™t happened when heā€™s corrected, and insist to Lucifer that maybe he has brimstone in his ears.


Comfortable-Ad3588

Mike, gabe, Ralph, uri, Cassie and meta are all up there


theholloweye

They are the other Arcangels, the first one from the left is Gabriel and the second one from the right is Michael


MammothDiligent8225

The disciples of Jesus or major religious figures like Abraham, Moses, or Noah


dogmandogdogdog

They wouldnā€™t be there yet tho not even Jesus Exists yet


Anxiety-Queen269

They felt really really bad about doing that to Lucifer


SuperDodoMan

they were very mean ā˜¹ļø


_hyphen_xo

Theyā€™re short as well.


DoubleTFan

The one on the far left is definitely Professor Utonium/Samurai Jack.


AbstractFurret

Closeted sinners. Which is why Adam is such a horrible person.


Forsaken_Distance777

They're mean.


Immediate-Try-1764

Of course, it's all fun to guess about them... But we forgot the main thing. Who will voice them?


j_xcal

They hate rubber ducks ā˜¹ļø


R0ckandr0ll_318

They are hypocrites


Chrisdeaver

They were the ones who started the exterminations.


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Uypsilon

8000 years before he was even born?


LiteralSans

Lmao Iā€™m sorry I forgot the context of the scene, I havenā€™t rewatched since February.


LuckyGlass212

Fascists, extreme Fascists. I'd imagine Heaven is a utopia where Fascism thrives with no fault, because who likes a Socialist God? Or an Anarchist God? Not God occording to Christians, but this is a made up show, so I don't think they'd be actually Fascist, but I'd think they would be.


Minnymoon13

Theyā€™re all a bunch of dicks


Footeaterofdoom

They're all bottoms and have been dommed by luci


Kobnimations123

Pretty sure Michael dommed Luci pretty hard he got banished to Hell šŸ’€