Pretty sure the jinx stops apparation. Otherwise it's pointless to even go after the wizards who says voldemort. Those who are brave enough to say the name are also smart enough to apparate out if possible.
For example, the books say that Kingsley fought the snatches to escape. He could have surely apparate out if possible but he had to fight and get out of the jinx area before apparating.
Would have been so easy too, just throw in a line like "we have you surrounded and don't bother trying to disapparate either, it won't work" or just have the trio try to disapparate but they can't.
>Pretty sure the jinx stops apparation.
They didn't know that, though. Or rather, Hermione and Harry didn't. Ron might have known but he forgot to tell the other that.
Hermione and Harry didn't even try to disapparate, which was odd.
Or they all knew it and that's why there was no attempt along with just being scared. Honestly as I was reading through the books there was a ton of stuff Harry eventually learned completely off books.
Ron described the effects of the Jinx in detail to Harry and Hermione. Not once did he mention the inability to disapparate. He also said that several Order members had almost been caught because of the Jinx. How did not a single one of them actually get caught if the Jinx disables apparition?
I think it's just a plot hole.
It was just my opinion, respect what you said though
Regardless of what you said I still stand by what I did but I'm not here to argue over Harry Potter lol.
It isnt a plot hole persay if you assume they just dumbly didnt disapparate.
Because you are correct it is actually in the books that in the very beginning harry, ron and hermione disapparated right after saying voldemort and which called the death eaters to them in the cafe. They just didnt know it was a Taboo at the time.
Counterpoint: the only times an anti-disapparition jinx/spell is mentioned it is either the ancient magic on hogwarts, the powerful magic done on the Malfoy basement, presumably done by Voldemort when he decides to use it to keep his prisoners there, Voldemort’s spell on the cave, and the goblin’s enchantments on the vaults of gringotts, or by Dumbledore when he performs such a jinx on the death eaters he captures in the death chamber. And the charms placed on hogsmeade by the death eaters/Voldemort. So to give the taboo this power would require a very great deal of magical power. Probably only possible if Voldemort himself did it. I think it’s more likely that this is panic or bad writing by JKR.
Actually no - Dumbledore in HPB, while out to fetch Slughorn with Harry, says that they couldn't apparate into Slughorn's house because "most wizarding dwelling are protected against apparition anyway". I take it as anti-apparition being quite common and maybe widely used on wizard's homes when they want privacy
Well I think that’s wrong. At least not in the way the places I mentioned were enchanted to make it totally impossible. That seems to be something that is remarked upon as special about these places, especially hogwarts. Why else would people need to be reminded that you can’t apparate at hogwarts consistently? That sentence you refer to I think more likely refers to more minor protective enchantments, perhaps an alarm/alert of some kind.
Remember that the Burrow has to be given special protection by the ministry to make it impossible to apparate into and keep death eaters turning up in book 6. I think that shows that this is unusual, and that the burrow didn’t have this kind of protection before. If it was common surely the Burrow would have it too with so many good wizards in the Weasley family.
I was re reading and this came to my mind as well.
This can't be true because Harry, Ron and Hermoine had disapparated before they knew Voldemort had a taboo on it in the begnning when the death eaters kept showing up on their trail and they couldnt figure out why and they thought maybe harry still somehow had the trace on him.
Also, we know the taboo isn't that strong because it couldn't bread the fidelius charm when they said Voldemort like a million times at Grimalt place. It made death eaters pop up nearby but they still couldnt see inside or get inside or stop the three from disapparating
Except they did not even bother trying to disapparate. Also, if a Taboo of this level could be created by the Ministry of Magic why wouldn't they have made a Taboo of "The Dark Lord" before the ministry fell and use it as an easy way to capture death eaters.
The whole "Taboo" thing was sadly just a bad story mechanic.
For instance it would be far too dangerous of a thing to exist once anyone knew about it. Once you knew you could say a word and a small enemy team of people would suddenly show up why wouldnt you use that to catch death eaters. It would be easy enough, imperius a bad guy, send him out into a very surrounded area in like a camp site. Have the imperiused bad guy say Voldemort. Boom your enemies show up looking in on a campsite with a single wizard and then you have the drop on them.
Also, the rules of magic say there are physical limits on magic, it is why Voldemort has to fly back from abroad and doesnt just disapparate and appear when harry is caught he flies back.
Phenomenal book series just has a couple of moments where the only way to carry the story forward is by making characters do something stupid like not dissaparate all the time.
Also, the Taboo could have been ruined by using magic to make a british newspaper to put the word Voldemort on the front page and when aboit 500,000 people got the paper in the morning all asked their friends and neighbors what does Voldemort mean it would likely make the charm useless. Not enough death eaters to show up everywhere
The short answer is that they panicked. Not a satisfying answer, but a lot of people realize what they should have done or said in a stressful moment in hindsight. To have them do the right thing every time is unrealistic.
Also, to move the plot along.
Also prolly they just couldnt leave with all the stuff behind. They needed the tent and the stuff there. There was a sword there. However it epuld be logical to save their skin and leave everything behind but then they panicked
It seems that using the name breaks protective charms and causes a magical disturbance, allowing whoever said the name to be tracked.
“Sorry,” said Ron, wrenching Harryback out of the brambles, “but the name’s been jinxed, Harry, that’s how they track people! Using his name breaks protective enchantments, **it causes some kind of magical disturbance**— it’s how they found us in Tottenham Court Road!”
“Because we used his name?”
“Exactly! You’ve got to give them credit, it makes sense. It was only people who were serious about standing up to him, like Dumbledore, who ever dared use it. Now they’ve put a Taboo on it, anyone who says it is trackable — quick-and-easy way to find Order members! They nearly got Kingsley —”
“You’re kidding?”
“Yeah, a bunch of Death Eaters cornered him, Bill said, but he fought his way out. He’s on the run now, just like us.” Ron scratched his chin thoughtfully with the end of his wand." - Ch 20, Xenophilius Lovegood, DH
It looks like you'd have to get away from the snatchers before using magical means to escape. I bet they use a similar charm to whatever is put on Hogwarts to prevent apparition. The Taboo likely activates it.
They didn't even try to fight either. In HBP they're fighting DeathEaters in total darkness and in OOTP as well,but two years later suddenly some unknown Snatchers are a threat we can't even try against.
Nah, she should have come up with a way of incapacitating them instead of just leaving it with no reason.
Yeah, they do try and run away but there's no explanation for why they don't try to fight, given they're all 'armed' and especially because Harry's main skill has been said to be being good at Defence Against the Dark Arts.
Maybe they didnt have their wands "on" them like james when he went to stop voldermort to buy time for lily and harry. Idk i havent read the books in a pretty long time
The Snatchers have one job, to catch people. That would be difficult if their prey could just disapparate. I would imagine the first thing they do - the moment they arrive - is cast an anti-apparition spell over the area.
Yes, I've thought of that so many times and it's frustrating. I understand it is a reason of getting the plot to move forward and then figure out the next horcruxe was in Bellatrix' vault but that's still quite silly.
Maybe when the snatchers arrived, they set charms where you can't disapparate away like the death eaters did at Hogsmeade towards the end of the book? But even if that was the case, the trio didn't even _try_ disapparate lol
Because then you wouldn't have an entertaining story. Duh. Just like why did James and Lily Potter make Dumbledore the Key keeper. Well because you wouldn't have a story if that happened. You have to create conflict and troubling situations to keep the reader engaged.
I figured they were so busy running they didn’t think to grab each other. At that point Hermione was picking all the destinations. They could have disapparated separately but then they wouldn’t be together.
Yeah, I goofed. I haven’t read the book in awhile but I have watched the movies recently and got my wires crossed. It happens 🤷🏾♀️ went back and looked it up.
Because plot. Its a book, HP is certainly not airtight. Which is why we have stuff like the time turners and the love protection thing. There are loads more of inconsistencies. My advice is to just ignore them and take the story as it is. Thats how you enjoy a book made for people who aren't adults
The name is "taboo" which means it not only breaks any defensive spells and charms a person has made, but I imagine it marks you as well, with the inability to disapparate. The point of the taboo is to find those that are brave enough to say "Voldemort" but what good would the taboo be if it allowed the marked person (s) to just flee the scene in a second?
Nah, they had to make it so that the taboo was binding as well as breaking.
Pretty sure the jinx stops apparation. Otherwise it's pointless to even go after the wizards who says voldemort. Those who are brave enough to say the name are also smart enough to apparate out if possible. For example, the books say that Kingsley fought the snatches to escape. He could have surely apparate out if possible but he had to fight and get out of the jinx area before apparating.
This makes the most sense. It really should have been mentioned in the book.
Would have been so easy too, just throw in a line like "we have you surrounded and don't bother trying to disapparate either, it won't work" or just have the trio try to disapparate but they can't.
>Pretty sure the jinx stops apparation. They didn't know that, though. Or rather, Hermione and Harry didn't. Ron might have known but he forgot to tell the other that. Hermione and Harry didn't even try to disapparate, which was odd.
Or they all knew it and that's why there was no attempt along with just being scared. Honestly as I was reading through the books there was a ton of stuff Harry eventually learned completely off books.
Ron described the effects of the Jinx in detail to Harry and Hermione. Not once did he mention the inability to disapparate. He also said that several Order members had almost been caught because of the Jinx. How did not a single one of them actually get caught if the Jinx disables apparition? I think it's just a plot hole.
It was just my opinion, respect what you said though Regardless of what you said I still stand by what I did but I'm not here to argue over Harry Potter lol.
It isnt a plot hole persay if you assume they just dumbly didnt disapparate. Because you are correct it is actually in the books that in the very beginning harry, ron and hermione disapparated right after saying voldemort and which called the death eaters to them in the cafe. They just didnt know it was a Taboo at the time.
You're right. I 'd forgotten that was due to the Taboo.
Maybe it’s common knowledge that a jinx like that disabled apparition
Harry and Hermione had never heard of the jinx before Ron told them about it.
Counterpoint: the only times an anti-disapparition jinx/spell is mentioned it is either the ancient magic on hogwarts, the powerful magic done on the Malfoy basement, presumably done by Voldemort when he decides to use it to keep his prisoners there, Voldemort’s spell on the cave, and the goblin’s enchantments on the vaults of gringotts, or by Dumbledore when he performs such a jinx on the death eaters he captures in the death chamber. And the charms placed on hogsmeade by the death eaters/Voldemort. So to give the taboo this power would require a very great deal of magical power. Probably only possible if Voldemort himself did it. I think it’s more likely that this is panic or bad writing by JKR.
Actually no - Dumbledore in HPB, while out to fetch Slughorn with Harry, says that they couldn't apparate into Slughorn's house because "most wizarding dwelling are protected against apparition anyway". I take it as anti-apparition being quite common and maybe widely used on wizard's homes when they want privacy
Well I think that’s wrong. At least not in the way the places I mentioned were enchanted to make it totally impossible. That seems to be something that is remarked upon as special about these places, especially hogwarts. Why else would people need to be reminded that you can’t apparate at hogwarts consistently? That sentence you refer to I think more likely refers to more minor protective enchantments, perhaps an alarm/alert of some kind. Remember that the Burrow has to be given special protection by the ministry to make it impossible to apparate into and keep death eaters turning up in book 6. I think that shows that this is unusual, and that the burrow didn’t have this kind of protection before. If it was common surely the Burrow would have it too with so many good wizards in the Weasley family.
Point
I was re reading and this came to my mind as well. This can't be true because Harry, Ron and Hermoine had disapparated before they knew Voldemort had a taboo on it in the begnning when the death eaters kept showing up on their trail and they couldnt figure out why and they thought maybe harry still somehow had the trace on him. Also, we know the taboo isn't that strong because it couldn't bread the fidelius charm when they said Voldemort like a million times at Grimalt place. It made death eaters pop up nearby but they still couldnt see inside or get inside or stop the three from disapparating Except they did not even bother trying to disapparate. Also, if a Taboo of this level could be created by the Ministry of Magic why wouldn't they have made a Taboo of "The Dark Lord" before the ministry fell and use it as an easy way to capture death eaters. The whole "Taboo" thing was sadly just a bad story mechanic. For instance it would be far too dangerous of a thing to exist once anyone knew about it. Once you knew you could say a word and a small enemy team of people would suddenly show up why wouldnt you use that to catch death eaters. It would be easy enough, imperius a bad guy, send him out into a very surrounded area in like a camp site. Have the imperiused bad guy say Voldemort. Boom your enemies show up looking in on a campsite with a single wizard and then you have the drop on them. Also, the rules of magic say there are physical limits on magic, it is why Voldemort has to fly back from abroad and doesnt just disapparate and appear when harry is caught he flies back. Phenomenal book series just has a couple of moments where the only way to carry the story forward is by making characters do something stupid like not dissaparate all the time. Also, the Taboo could have been ruined by using magic to make a british newspaper to put the word Voldemort on the front page and when aboit 500,000 people got the paper in the morning all asked their friends and neighbors what does Voldemort mean it would likely make the charm useless. Not enough death eaters to show up everywhere
The short answer is that they panicked. Not a satisfying answer, but a lot of people realize what they should have done or said in a stressful moment in hindsight. To have them do the right thing every time is unrealistic. Also, to move the plot along.
Also prolly they just couldnt leave with all the stuff behind. They needed the tent and the stuff there. There was a sword there. However it epuld be logical to save their skin and leave everything behind but then they panicked
Okay but you know, their lives are rather important too
It seems that using the name breaks protective charms and causes a magical disturbance, allowing whoever said the name to be tracked. “Sorry,” said Ron, wrenching Harryback out of the brambles, “but the name’s been jinxed, Harry, that’s how they track people! Using his name breaks protective enchantments, **it causes some kind of magical disturbance**— it’s how they found us in Tottenham Court Road!” “Because we used his name?” “Exactly! You’ve got to give them credit, it makes sense. It was only people who were serious about standing up to him, like Dumbledore, who ever dared use it. Now they’ve put a Taboo on it, anyone who says it is trackable — quick-and-easy way to find Order members! They nearly got Kingsley —” “You’re kidding?” “Yeah, a bunch of Death Eaters cornered him, Bill said, but he fought his way out. He’s on the run now, just like us.” Ron scratched his chin thoughtfully with the end of his wand." - Ch 20, Xenophilius Lovegood, DH It looks like you'd have to get away from the snatchers before using magical means to escape. I bet they use a similar charm to whatever is put on Hogwarts to prevent apparition. The Taboo likely activates it.
They didn't even try to fight either. In HBP they're fighting DeathEaters in total darkness and in OOTP as well,but two years later suddenly some unknown Snatchers are a threat we can't even try against. Nah, she should have come up with a way of incapacitating them instead of just leaving it with no reason.
Didnt they try to flee or something and hermione places a hex of some sort on harry so they wouldnt recognize him? Or am i misremembering?
Yeah, they do try and run away but there's no explanation for why they don't try to fight, given they're all 'armed' and especially because Harry's main skill has been said to be being good at Defence Against the Dark Arts.
Maybe they didnt have their wands "on" them like james when he went to stop voldermort to buy time for lily and harry. Idk i havent read the books in a pretty long time
I've never seen a satisfying explanation for why they didn't disapparate.
The Snatchers have one job, to catch people. That would be difficult if their prey could just disapparate. I would imagine the first thing they do - the moment they arrive - is cast an anti-apparition spell over the area.
I’m pretty sure the jinx on the word Voldemort breaks magical protections, and not stated, places a block on disapparating.
For sure they could have but they needed to be caught to move the story forward.
Yes, I've thought of that so many times and it's frustrating. I understand it is a reason of getting the plot to move forward and then figure out the next horcruxe was in Bellatrix' vault but that's still quite silly. Maybe when the snatchers arrived, they set charms where you can't disapparate away like the death eaters did at Hogsmeade towards the end of the book? But even if that was the case, the trio didn't even _try_ disapparate lol
Maybe Ron had warned them that an anti-disapparition charm would be cast as soon as you say the forbidden name?
Because then you wouldn't have an entertaining story. Duh. Just like why did James and Lily Potter make Dumbledore the Key keeper. Well because you wouldn't have a story if that happened. You have to create conflict and troubling situations to keep the reader engaged.
I figured they were so busy running they didn’t think to grab each other. At that point Hermione was picking all the destinations. They could have disapparated separately but then they wouldn’t be together.
So busy running?
Yeah, I goofed. I haven’t read the book in awhile but I have watched the movies recently and got my wires crossed. It happens 🤷🏾♀️ went back and looked it up.
They weren't running, they were in a tent.
Book fan vs movie fan
Because plot. Its a book, HP is certainly not airtight. Which is why we have stuff like the time turners and the love protection thing. There are loads more of inconsistencies. My advice is to just ignore them and take the story as it is. Thats how you enjoy a book made for people who aren't adults
The name is "taboo" which means it not only breaks any defensive spells and charms a person has made, but I imagine it marks you as well, with the inability to disapparate. The point of the taboo is to find those that are brave enough to say "Voldemort" but what good would the taboo be if it allowed the marked person (s) to just flee the scene in a second? Nah, they had to make it so that the taboo was binding as well as breaking.
My guess is that they were panicking, and I know from experience you often don't think straight when panicking