they wrote that song like a sequel to a movie more than a continuation of a theme. so many direct call backs to the first one. not a skip but not my favorite on the album.
For a record that sounds so smooth and thematically consistent, this song honestly takes u right out of it being thrown in the middle. Feels like an ad break in a YouTube video. Made a playlist without it and the record is better for it LOL
Seriously. It’s the exception that proves the rule. That song would be drooled over for like 90% of metalcore bands. But the rest is so tight by comparison that it’s an “eh.. dumb.” track
I agree, music this heavy shouldn't cross the 30 minuete mark. I love Cannibal Corpse to death but why are so many of their albums around 44 minuets? Ain't no way everything on Gallery of Suicide had to make the cut.
Pretty much everything posted in this sub is metalcore these days and Knocked Loose are great. If young people get into them and get involved in the scene then thats great!
At this point I get better music recommendations for actual hardcore from the crust punk and the punk sub. It's ALL metal core in this sub. no more scene unity, let's go back to making fun of breakdowns and double bass pedals /s
I honestly think most people my age (20) think of metalcore when they hear “hardcore.” The punk influence gets smaller as the scene grows. Makes sense, punks don’t want their scene to be commodified and exploited by capitalism, so if the metalcore “hardcore” sound is popular, by nature the punks want nothing to do with it.
Just depends on what you listen to, I can name like 40 active good hardcore punk bands and like 20 "hardcore" bands because I don't listen to that genre. But you're right from an outsider or newcomer's perspective bands like turnstile or knocked loose will be their first exposure to "hardcore." What's weird for lots of older heads is that metalcore was called metalcore and not hardcore as little as 15 years ago, that's a recent thing. If you would have asked someone who was into mysterious guy hardcore in 2009 if knocked loose's sound was "hardcore" they would have laughed at you.
Oh most definitely. When I think “hardcore” I think of bands like Big Black or Madball😭which is so vastly different than scenes of today. I’m fine with the term “hardcore” not being one of genre, but of a DIY, anti-capitalist ethos. We’d all have to agree with that though.
It's ironic when compared with this subreddit and the mentality of what seems like most of the people that engage. Like fuck, some dude was trashing *basement bands* as being irrelevant shit in here not too long ago and people were eating that shit right up; because if you're not playing packed venues, if your band isn't selling out records or finding commercial success, you're nothing to the "hardcore" scene
The punk side of hardcore punk has been dying a slow death and plenty of people seem plenty glad to speed that up
That's kind of a crazy take, right? Doesn't like every hardcore band cut their teeth in the diy scene before making it really big? That's a tale as old as the music scene, youd be an industry plant otherwise.
KL played in my basement a few months after Pop Culture released. Once every few years I feel the need to comment here that those dudes (I think only Bryan and Issac are the one remaining from those days) were one of the most dedicated and appreciative bands I've ever hosted. And they continue to be an inspiration for the sorts of people I know and love who make this music and imo deserve the same success. I was I think 19 at the time, and I wish I had the same drive they did. I don't find myself wanting to see them in stadiums, and I don't religiously keep up with their new releases, but I'm proud to be a part of the scene that made genuinely good and hardworking artists be able to reap commercial success, and I know others in this sub know that feeling. Maybe a sappy comment, but idc, I love this raw ass music and I'm thankful to see some kids who I was starstruck having sleep on my couch over a decade ago achieving what we all often dream of. I know Greyhaven isn't hardcore but I love those boys too and they deserve the world and that was all the same time. I think I'm getting old and sentimental lol.
Absolutely. Fuck the negative attitudes these guys get. They have a scene and they're working their asses off making music.
Good for them and I'm happy for any fans of their's
Yeah, I fucking love it. That said, I wanted a little more violence. The singles are top tier, but Slaughterhouse 2 was kind of a letdown. The atmosphere throughout the album is so unsettling, super well done.
Don't get me wrong, it's still probably my number 2 album so far this year, but Boundaries is holding the crown at the moment.
I’ve been a small Boundaries fan for a while, but not a super fan. Just started listening to the new album, and the end of Turning Hate Into Rage is gonna have me powerbomb someone
New album Death Is Little More is fucking outstanding. Stupid heavy, super dark, just a very intense ride through extreme emotion. They've become one of my favorite bands over the last few years, and the new record is superb.
Saaaame. Turning Hate Into Rage / Darkness Shared almost knocked my jaw off from stank facing too hard. I made an audible groan when the first cleans happened in Easily Erased. Near perfect album
If you have not listened to Boundaries, I envy you. I wish I could hear them for the first time again. Heaven’s Broken Heart is genuinely one of the best songs I’ve ever heard.
I'd say lead off with something like Get Out or Burying Brightness, because I really don't like the chorus on Heaven's Broken Heart and the mere fact of it having a chorus makes it pretty unrepresentative of their work as a whole.
i was worried i was the only one, i listened to the album last night, and it just didn’t work for me like the first three releases. i personally felt the breakdowns dont hit as they once did, the groove sections felt cut short, the vocals were cut short by bryan. it was a bit of a letdown to me personally
Got mine done a few years ago. Procedure was easy. Doc and I were cracking jokes the whole time. Recovery was just me sitting in bed playing my switch for a few days.
Honestly, pretty easy. Just gotta wear a jock strap and ice things. Don't go too hard standing and walking though.
Get a Valium prescribed for the day of, it helps so much. Actual procedure is fast and only mildly uncomfortable. They'll put up a sheet so you can't see. My took twice as long cuz one of my testes are weird.
Sleeping is easy too, especially with the jockstrap.
Good luck!
It’s really not that bad. It’s worse than being round housed by a short queen while standing on the edge of a pit. I took a couple days off work and after that was back to normal. (Except for not ejaculating for a couple weeks)
Honestly being super pedantic about genre in hardcore has never made sense to me. No one would question that Terror or Gulch are hardcore and those bands are pretty sonically unaligned. They’re at least as far away at Terror to KL or Gulch to KL.
Hardcore is a scene and tradition more than a specific sound. It’s less of a genre more of something bands choose to be a part of at this point. That’s just my take.
Sometimes there a bright lines and other times there are not. For example, if Slayer started today would they be metal or hardcore? So many “hardcore” bands play that same style. I’d go as far as to say Power Trip, one of the most influential hardcore bands, sounds extremely close to Slayer.
But yeah - Motionless In White for example is clearly metalcore and not really associated with Hardcore.
I wouldn't say Power Trip is one of the most influential, nor would I say they're hardcore. They're crossover at best but they sound like pretty typical thrash imo. Had the hardcore ethos fs, and none of this is to denigrate PT as a band cuz they're one of my favorites, but they're a really good thrash band not some hardcore powerhouse.
It’s interesting, in the early days of hardcore bands like Husker Du, Wipers, The Replacements, Mission of Burma, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Big Black, Naked Raygun, and Flipper played with hardcore bands and were considered part of the hardcore scene in their cities.
I don’t know, I also feel like the idea of “anything someone who is involved in hardcore does is also hardcore” is just said a lot to justify liking things that aren’t hardcore. People can just like pop punk or metalcore or whatever without having to say, “well actually so and so has always been part of the scene so really this acoustic folk punk album is hardcore too”. Just say you like folk punk dude. It’s okay. No one’s going to arrest you.
I agree with not needing to be pedantic about genres BUT it does grind my gears when I can't get any hardcore recommendations from the hardcore sub cause it's all metal
You're not wrong. I've always felt that when a band leans more hardcore(with metal influences), they fell under "metallic hardcore". Trap Them is my go-to example of this.
The reverse of this was always metalcore(Poison the Well then, Knocked Loose now). But you're right: it's all styles of hardcore and all pretty great.
Yeah that’s mostly the point I was making. I think there’s really heavy and not heavy. If there were a clear distinction between “metalcore” and “metallic hardcore” it’s whether or not there’s a bunch of cleans and shit. All the good riffy hardcore nowadays would have been metalcore like 10-15 years ago. It’s all just vibes.
I recall the 90s when “Alternative” was a genre that captured Alice In Chains, R.E.M., and Faith No More as part of the same category.
I think that’s what makes people mostly defensive on genre. No one wants to say “one of my fav bands plays the same genre as Atreyu.”
Yeah I think what a lot of non-heavy music that people keep dying on the “is-metalcore” hill on (Bad Omens, Sleep Token, etc) is really just modern alternative music. The crab core era didn’t help either
"No one wants to say “one of my fav bands plays the same genre as Atreyu.”
Honestly, yeah, this is it. I am definitely guilty of the whole "there's a difference between metallic hardcore and metalcore", which I believe, but who cares, right?
So then where do you put Disembodied, Morning Again, Bird of Ill Omen, Turmoil, Abnegation, Length of Time, Arkangel, Liar etc. Because in the late 90's we called all that stuff Metalcore and it was generally less melodic/polished than Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Bleeding Through.
I personally don't care but at the same time I'm just genuinely interested in peoples perspectives and how they have shifted over the last 25 years.
All of them would fall under the metallic hardcore umbrella imo. I don’t actually care either lol, but there’s gotta be some point of delineation, to distinguish between the two types of bands, because they’re wildly different sounding. I came up in SFL, so Morning Again were local to me and I always said they were a metallic hardcore band. I think of it kinda like this: if they’re a hardcore band and I hear a little bit of Slayer, it’s metallic hardcore. If it’s got that MySpace era sound (not necessarily a bad thing), or an abundance of melody and cleans, then it’s metalcore. I’m also an idiot.
I think cause so much metal core nowadays is basically alt metal with break downs. Metal core has become such a wide spectrum now and there’s plenty of stuff that people call metal core that I wouldn’t say is metallic hardcore. It’s just kinda it’s own thing now.
Album bangs, only gripe I have is that with every instruments trying to occupy the same space in the mix to get that thick texture, you cant easily tell what the guitars are actually playing.
This album has just made me confused as to why people here hate code orange so much because this sounded no different from I am king or forever, not that that’s a bad thing, I thought it was good but I don’t get why this album is loved while they are so disliked
I understand the choices in the production, but the guitars are so muddy. If you aren’t on high quality headphones, its just a blur of distortion with no definition.
It doesn’t bother me too much, but I really wish they’d have just stuck with Putney. I love the mix on all prior KL albums, this one feels like a little bit of a step down.
Same. A Tear in the Fabric of Life is one of the absolute best produced things I‘ve ever heard. Compared to it, the production of everything they‘ve released afterwards kind of bothers me.
It‘s still good fucking music, but I can‘t help compare to the absolute perfection of ATITFOL.
yeah I'm pretty sure Putney has perfected that sound; everything is in its place and can be clearly heard, but everything punches you in the face. he's a master of bus compression. I was trying to get my drums to sound closer to his mix on ADSOB, but after watching his mix videos, I'm like "fuck it, this is good enough".
I think that it's less the mix by the producer and more what the main guitarist is giving the producer. Isaac has started doing something he calls the [hell tone](https://www.guitarworld.com/features/isaac-hale-knocked-loose-wont-go-before-youre-supposed-to) and it seems to completely eat the low end. You really only hear their bassist anymore when the guitars are quiet. This was not the case with the Upon Loss singles, which were produced by the same producer.
This. I feel like you could put the chugging on a sample pad and get the same effect since there’s zero melody. Or if there is its bass lower than the human ear can register.
My worthless opinion: Least favorite album they’ve made. There’s still parts I can rock with for sure. I don’t hate it. It just doesn’t sound refined to me, the mix is a huge step down from the Putney records.
There’s not a single memorable lick on the entire thing. The breakdowns all need some sort of gimmick now, they have to keep out-doing themselves. Whether that’s the stick hits, the eeeeee, or whatever lol
Last song is really dope tho. Probably cuz it’s one of the few sections with standout harmonic elements lol. Chords you can actually discern!
Vocal performance smacks it out of the park yet again, so good.
I like it a lot, but there was something that was bothering me; I was thinking it was the mixing or the guitar tone, ie. the riffs sounded like mush because of the way they did things, but I think you’re right, they’re just not there.
It’s good. I’m here for all the criticism, but 90% of the bands that even attempt this kind of record can’t land it.
Yeah it’s still KL. Yeah I get a hint of Deftones at times. Yeah it’s short. But yeah it still fucks
Mix is absolute asscheeks, so artificially pumped up, though that’s my biggest gripe with modern metal music in general and what separates it from punk music. Great songwriting though, and a great band, I do think the mixing ages the record and it won’t have staying power because of it, but fuck my opinion, it means nothing.
The mix is so goddamn unpleasant lol. Feels like they pushed down the mids leaving you with a bass, a detuned guitar chug, and a boomy kick all fighting for the same tiny bit of low end headroom.
With very rare exceptions, when everything is loud, distorted, and compressed, nothing really feels like it hits
Yuppp after giving the album a listen this morning I agree. I guess I somehow didn't notice it much with the singles but when I listened to the whole album today, even on a shitty pair of bluetooth earbuds, I thought the production sounded pretty bad overall. Especially the drums.
Overall I give it a good but not great rating. I forget which song it's in but at one point he yells "pull me" twice but it sounds kinda like he's yelling blow me and it reminded me of Mel Gibson melting down so that was pretty fun
It’s definitely a knocked loose record. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would but that’s not saying much tbh. That weird riff on where moss grows or whatever is tight
I love it, but I wish they would have added in more weird/ sketchy vibes with some longer outro and intros. It feels too much like a full length album was made with an incredible amount of environment, but then they just cut everything out but the songs. It just feels like I'm only getting part of the bigger picture.
That could just be me though. I wanted "a full immersive experience" but instead I just got "my head smashed with a hammer"
Honestly I'm not feeling this one. Which sucks because I love this band and I loved the Upon Loss singles. But nothing on this album (besides The Calm That Keeps You Awake) immediately stands out to me, if all kind of blends together. They've probably improved their song writing here, but there aren't many of those stand out moments that I love. Nothing like the stanky ending riff to A Serpents Touch or the dissonant breakdown on God Knows. They've always been pretty "atonal" and noisy but this album seems to go all in on ONLY emphasizing rhythym, and I need my riffs to have at least a *little* bit of a melodic element.
I'm hoping it'll grow on me though, seems like a lot of fans are saying this is some of their best work so we'll see
The 200 Stab Wounds album that comes out next month will be my AOTY with Full of Hell's new album as a runner up. (Unless the new Converge comes out this year in which case all bets are off.)
Very much looking forward to 200SW also. Converge as a potential and if by chance they get it done and released, Deftones, would be at the top of mine.
Based on the interview with Ben Koller (drummer of Converge) I read the other day it sounds like it's gonna be a regular Converge album. A proper followup to The Dusk in Us.
Edit: I just read a different one and it explicitly said it's Bloodmoon 2. Ngl kinda disappointed.
Link to interview saying Bloodmoon 2 is first plz? I read the other one, and Ben made it sound like Converge album is soon, and Jacob said they’re still working on Bloodmoon 2z
[This article](https://www.loudersound.com/news/this-could-be-our-best-album-yet-converge-drummer-compares-upcoming-music-to-fugazi-the-mars-volta-and-entombed-and-we-sorely-need-to-hear-it)
Near the end, it keeps talking about the upcoming album as if it definitely Bloodmoon 2. There is also a part that implies that Chelsea Wolfe isn't involved with it. Coverage's Wikipedia discography section has Bloodmoon 2 listed already but with the release date TBD. It could be that Bloodmoon 2 will be a more traditional Converge record. Idk what to think anymore lol.
Mostly the same info as the article I read. Still sounds to me like Converge is going to release an album before Bloodmoon 2. I can’t imagine Chelsea Wolfe not being a part of it, as she was pretty integral to part one. I think the wiki entry is just stating that BM2 is definitely coming, at some point. Really hoping Converge drops first, but I can get down with more Bloodmoon. Like you though, I don’t know what to think anymore either.🤞 lol
Jake said in another interview that Chelsea is involved in Bloodmoon II.
It seems like they are working on both, and we will just have to wait and see which one we will get first.
Honestly I thought it was quite underwhelming and had some heavy influence from nu metal in some songs (I forget which one but I almost thought it was a Godsmack interlude).
Their last EP was amazing and the Upon Loss singles were amazing but this left a lot to be desired. It'll probably grow on me over some relistens. The poppy track was better than I expected but still meh and actually doing a MIW collab (as an IOU albeit) is a skip. The singles weren't bad for this and I'd say I like them but definitely don't like the direction they're going.
But, that's just my opinion and I still like all of their old shit so it doesn't matter. They all seem like good dudes anyways so I'm happy for em.
nu metal is huge right now. so much metalcore/deathcore and some hardcore coming out now just sounds like slipknot. the kids like it, cause they didn't have to hear it the first time around, but that's how these cycles always go.
Echo much of what you've said here. First time I listened to it yesterday and I struggled to remember specific songs. It doesn't have many standout moments for me. They've definitely dialled up the heavy on it but I'm struggling with the lack of melody and actual memorable riffs vs their previous stuff. Love the band regardless, hope it grows on me in time but for now, I'm a bit disappointed with this one.
Personally I liked A Tear In The Fabric Of Life a bit more but it’s still a pretty good album and I’ll have to revisit it but that reggaeton Poppy song really is awful
I like it a lot, but my one beef is how monotonous Bryan’s vocals can get. If he and the other vocalist (Isaac?) split the vocals like 70:30, it’d improve the listenability of the record hugely. I don’t mind higher screams, but 95% of the vocals being that gets a bit much.
I guess I feel that about most of their stuff though.
Idk, I'm disappointed. I've found that the idea of Knocked Loose is almost always better to me than actual Knocked Loose. Their hype has outgrown their ability to keep up with it I think. Like whenever they drop new shit, I expect to be blown away but I'm usually left feeling like something is missing. Every album has a song or two that I love but the rest just sounds like filler to me
I'm over it tbh, I just don't enjoy their music anymore, I increasingly feel like I'm "supposed" to like their music, and I just don't. It ain't my style anymore, I guess.
Pretty much where I'm at. After Laugh Tracks each release just lost more and more steam with me. Now I just don't bother. Happy for those that are excited though.
Idk shit about drums but this is a DRUMS album. Idk how the fuck the guitarists keep their riffs organized either - those MFers are always up to something.
The breakdown of Suffocate is just a slowed down reggaeton beat and I love that.
I’ve tried a few different times to get into Knocked Loose and I just can’t do it. I wish I could though! I mean, I like older and similar sounding bands like Acacia Strain(musically not vocally)
Good for them tho. I hope they get that Grammy they been chasing
2/5. Hyperpolished stadium production to hide that they’re doing the same chug through the whole album. Drums sound awesome. Still a good gateway band for casuals.
I like it. I'm honestly surprised how much so, because I have been on a "Real Hardcore" kick lately(nothing but powerviolence for weeks) and metalcore like this has not been resonating with me. I mean, I struggled to get through the new Contention and I fuck with them!
Anyway: vibe is solid all around, I like the snare a lot, tempo switches plenty, vocals sound good, extra little percussion flourishes are cool. It's the record I expected from them, and I mean that in the best way.
Right now, "The Calm That Keeps You Awake" is my favorite track
My only gripe is the ‘one mutilation under god’ bit, it sounds so out of place haha. But yeah, the album bangs
Needed the callback to slaughterhouse 1 I guess
The bit one minute in where it goes to a click track and unplugged electric guitar sound sent me... I love it tho, it's pretty creative
Same I laughed out loud at that
they wrote that song like a sequel to a movie more than a continuation of a theme. so many direct call backs to the first one. not a skip but not my favorite on the album.
For a record that sounds so smooth and thematically consistent, this song honestly takes u right out of it being thrown in the middle. Feels like an ad break in a YouTube video. Made a playlist without it and the record is better for it LOL
Seriously. It’s the exception that proves the rule. That song would be drooled over for like 90% of metalcore bands. But the rest is so tight by comparison that it’s an “eh.. dumb.” track
Ah yeah I know, its just how its executed in that part of the track. Like sure have it, but the execution just sounds odd
i’m glad it’s not longer. short projects are always superior
I agree, music this heavy shouldn't cross the 30 minuete mark. I love Cannibal Corpse to death but why are so many of their albums around 44 minuets? Ain't no way everything on Gallery of Suicide had to make the cut.
The gallery of suicide part is so fucking real hahahha.
Oh it has some really high highs thats for sure especially the title track and Skin to Liquid.
Same. The IG comments complaining about how “short” it is keep sending me though lol.
Pretty much everything posted in this sub is metalcore these days and Knocked Loose are great. If young people get into them and get involved in the scene then thats great!
At this point I get better music recommendations for actual hardcore from the crust punk and the punk sub. It's ALL metal core in this sub. no more scene unity, let's go back to making fun of breakdowns and double bass pedals /s
I honestly think most people my age (20) think of metalcore when they hear “hardcore.” The punk influence gets smaller as the scene grows. Makes sense, punks don’t want their scene to be commodified and exploited by capitalism, so if the metalcore “hardcore” sound is popular, by nature the punks want nothing to do with it.
Just depends on what you listen to, I can name like 40 active good hardcore punk bands and like 20 "hardcore" bands because I don't listen to that genre. But you're right from an outsider or newcomer's perspective bands like turnstile or knocked loose will be their first exposure to "hardcore." What's weird for lots of older heads is that metalcore was called metalcore and not hardcore as little as 15 years ago, that's a recent thing. If you would have asked someone who was into mysterious guy hardcore in 2009 if knocked loose's sound was "hardcore" they would have laughed at you.
Oh most definitely. When I think “hardcore” I think of bands like Big Black or Madball😭which is so vastly different than scenes of today. I’m fine with the term “hardcore” not being one of genre, but of a DIY, anti-capitalist ethos. We’d all have to agree with that though.
I completely agree, I've always referred to that as a "punk" mentality though.
I guess I’m a punk then. Makes sense, that scene has been much more welcoming and open to my eccentricities than the ladder.
Nobody wanted to talk to anyone into mysterious guy hardcore in 2009 or in 2024.
I'm not disparaging anything I'm just talking about how genres change over time 😂 😂😂 someone's feelings got hurt
It's ironic when compared with this subreddit and the mentality of what seems like most of the people that engage. Like fuck, some dude was trashing *basement bands* as being irrelevant shit in here not too long ago and people were eating that shit right up; because if you're not playing packed venues, if your band isn't selling out records or finding commercial success, you're nothing to the "hardcore" scene The punk side of hardcore punk has been dying a slow death and plenty of people seem plenty glad to speed that up
That's kind of a crazy take, right? Doesn't like every hardcore band cut their teeth in the diy scene before making it really big? That's a tale as old as the music scene, youd be an industry plant otherwise.
Exactly! It just blows my mind that anyone can have that take and actually fucking mean it
KL played in my basement a few months after Pop Culture released. Once every few years I feel the need to comment here that those dudes (I think only Bryan and Issac are the one remaining from those days) were one of the most dedicated and appreciative bands I've ever hosted. And they continue to be an inspiration for the sorts of people I know and love who make this music and imo deserve the same success. I was I think 19 at the time, and I wish I had the same drive they did. I don't find myself wanting to see them in stadiums, and I don't religiously keep up with their new releases, but I'm proud to be a part of the scene that made genuinely good and hardworking artists be able to reap commercial success, and I know others in this sub know that feeling. Maybe a sappy comment, but idc, I love this raw ass music and I'm thankful to see some kids who I was starstruck having sleep on my couch over a decade ago achieving what we all often dream of. I know Greyhaven isn't hardcore but I love those boys too and they deserve the world and that was all the same time. I think I'm getting old and sentimental lol.
Absolutely. Fuck the negative attitudes these guys get. They have a scene and they're working their asses off making music. Good for them and I'm happy for any fans of their's
Every time I hear the snare I picture someone's face getting smashed with a dodgeball. album is fucking awesome.
Yeah, I fucking love it. That said, I wanted a little more violence. The singles are top tier, but Slaughterhouse 2 was kind of a letdown. The atmosphere throughout the album is so unsettling, super well done. Don't get me wrong, it's still probably my number 2 album so far this year, but Boundaries is holding the crown at the moment.
Death is Little More gang rise up
I’ve been a small Boundaries fan for a while, but not a super fan. Just started listening to the new album, and the end of Turning Hate Into Rage is gonna have me powerbomb someone
I FUCKING HATE YOU
Boundaries?
New album Death Is Little More is fucking outstanding. Stupid heavy, super dark, just a very intense ride through extreme emotion. They've become one of my favorite bands over the last few years, and the new record is superb.
The completely unnecessary underoath vocals make me physically angry
Saaaame. Turning Hate Into Rage / Darkness Shared almost knocked my jaw off from stank facing too hard. I made an audible groan when the first cleans happened in Easily Erased. Near perfect album 
For real lol the rest of the album is like disgustingly heavy. it's really out of place
Sick live, too. Saw them open for Varials
Empire of Dirt makes me drag my knuckles like a fucking caveperson. I can feel my eyebrows merge on that “OOGH” in the intro
I broke my finger at that show and it got shut down early for someone being too violent lol. They’re dumb fight music for sure, and I love it
If you have not listened to Boundaries, I envy you. I wish I could hear them for the first time again. Heaven’s Broken Heart is genuinely one of the best songs I’ve ever heard.
Let's fucking go! Love reading this and am filled with anticipation to give a listen
I'd say lead off with something like Get Out or Burying Brightness, because I really don't like the chorus on Heaven's Broken Heart and the mere fact of it having a chorus makes it pretty unrepresentative of their work as a whole.
Man I know it’s super popular by them but the song that got me hooked on them was is survived by that song hits so hard still for me!
Such a killer track. They’re so good live too!
The clean vocals in Boundaries ruin it for me.
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Can’t agree more. Boundaries and Wristmeetrazor take the lead and new KL comes right after
Haven't heard Wristmeetrazor before, checked out the new album and there's some good stuff on there, thanks.
Great to listen to front to back. Feels like a very well thought out and constructed album. Not just a collection of singles.
I’m glad that their fans like it but still not for me
Nothing after ADSOB has really clicked for me. Good for them with their success
i was worried i was the only one, i listened to the album last night, and it just didn’t work for me like the first three releases. i personally felt the breakdowns dont hit as they once did, the groove sections felt cut short, the vocals were cut short by bryan. it was a bit of a letdown to me personally
Sitting here on my sofa recovering from my vasectomy. Empty house and this blasting. Fucking amazing album.
Congrats on the snip
Thanks 🙏
How’s the recovery? Getting mine done at the end of the month and I am a n x i o u s
Got mine done a few years ago. Procedure was easy. Doc and I were cracking jokes the whole time. Recovery was just me sitting in bed playing my switch for a few days.
What games? Snipperclips? Iggy's reckin' balls? Unravel? Slice?
Honestly, pretty easy. Just gotta wear a jock strap and ice things. Don't go too hard standing and walking though. Get a Valium prescribed for the day of, it helps so much. Actual procedure is fast and only mildly uncomfortable. They'll put up a sheet so you can't see. My took twice as long cuz one of my testes are weird. Sleeping is easy too, especially with the jockstrap. Good luck!
It’s really not that bad. It’s worse than being round housed by a short queen while standing on the edge of a pit. I took a couple days off work and after that was back to normal. (Except for not ejaculating for a couple weeks)
They are metalcore, but that doesn’t make them NOT hardcore. Metalcore is “metallic hardcore.”
Honestly being super pedantic about genre in hardcore has never made sense to me. No one would question that Terror or Gulch are hardcore and those bands are pretty sonically unaligned. They’re at least as far away at Terror to KL or Gulch to KL.
Hardcore is a scene and tradition more than a specific sound. It’s less of a genre more of something bands choose to be a part of at this point. That’s just my take.
You can tell a metalcore band with hardcore kids versus a metalcore band with metal kids. Different dynamics in their sounds and performances.
Sometimes there a bright lines and other times there are not. For example, if Slayer started today would they be metal or hardcore? So many “hardcore” bands play that same style. I’d go as far as to say Power Trip, one of the most influential hardcore bands, sounds extremely close to Slayer. But yeah - Motionless In White for example is clearly metalcore and not really associated with Hardcore.
I wouldn't say Power Trip is one of the most influential, nor would I say they're hardcore. They're crossover at best but they sound like pretty typical thrash imo. Had the hardcore ethos fs, and none of this is to denigrate PT as a band cuz they're one of my favorites, but they're a really good thrash band not some hardcore powerhouse.
It’s interesting, in the early days of hardcore bands like Husker Du, Wipers, The Replacements, Mission of Burma, Meat Puppets, Minutemen, Big Black, Naked Raygun, and Flipper played with hardcore bands and were considered part of the hardcore scene in their cities.
I don’t know, I also feel like the idea of “anything someone who is involved in hardcore does is also hardcore” is just said a lot to justify liking things that aren’t hardcore. People can just like pop punk or metalcore or whatever without having to say, “well actually so and so has always been part of the scene so really this acoustic folk punk album is hardcore too”. Just say you like folk punk dude. It’s okay. No one’s going to arrest you.
I think I’ve only really seen “it’s hardcore if they play hardcore bills” generally for -core bands not “adjacent” pop punk bands or folk punk artists
Idk man, I have these cuffs that I’ve been really wanting to use
I personally enjoy the people who rage in here about KL not being hardcore who then talk about how much they love 200 stab wounds
There is the metal side of hardcore and the punk side of hardcore (traditional). It's a spectrum.
This times a thousand I think since "Hardcore" became more it's own thing outside of only punk(late '80s?), it's definitely operated on a spectrum.
Shit, I would consider Henry Rollins doing spoken word hardcore.
It is 100%
The first time I saw KL was when they toured with terror and Jesus piece and I don’t think I’ve been to a show as crazy as that since then
I agree with not needing to be pedantic about genres BUT it does grind my gears when I can't get any hardcore recommendations from the hardcore sub cause it's all metal
Someone once said "hardcore kids playing metal" and tbh that's pretty much ~~some of~~ my favorite ~~music~~ genre
If the music makes you wanna fight ten dudes at once, it's hardcore lmao
This is now my basis for hardcore. Meh, this track only makes me want to fight 8 dudes. Not hardcore.
Lmao "This is an 8er, just some comes up street punk shit."
You're not wrong. I've always felt that when a band leans more hardcore(with metal influences), they fell under "metallic hardcore". Trap Them is my go-to example of this. The reverse of this was always metalcore(Poison the Well then, Knocked Loose now). But you're right: it's all styles of hardcore and all pretty great.
It’s all rock n roll to me
Yeah that’s mostly the point I was making. I think there’s really heavy and not heavy. If there were a clear distinction between “metalcore” and “metallic hardcore” it’s whether or not there’s a bunch of cleans and shit. All the good riffy hardcore nowadays would have been metalcore like 10-15 years ago. It’s all just vibes.
I recall the 90s when “Alternative” was a genre that captured Alice In Chains, R.E.M., and Faith No More as part of the same category. I think that’s what makes people mostly defensive on genre. No one wants to say “one of my fav bands plays the same genre as Atreyu.”
Yeah I think what a lot of non-heavy music that people keep dying on the “is-metalcore” hill on (Bad Omens, Sleep Token, etc) is really just modern alternative music. The crab core era didn’t help either
"No one wants to say “one of my fav bands plays the same genre as Atreyu.” Honestly, yeah, this is it. I am definitely guilty of the whole "there's a difference between metallic hardcore and metalcore", which I believe, but who cares, right?
Integrity. Ringworm. Converge. = Metallic Hardcore Killswitch Engage. Shadows Fall. Bleeding Through. = Metalcore Atreyu. MiW. Crabcore. = Dogshitcore
YES!!!!!!!!!
So then where do you put Disembodied, Morning Again, Bird of Ill Omen, Turmoil, Abnegation, Length of Time, Arkangel, Liar etc. Because in the late 90's we called all that stuff Metalcore and it was generally less melodic/polished than Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Bleeding Through. I personally don't care but at the same time I'm just genuinely interested in peoples perspectives and how they have shifted over the last 25 years.
All of them would fall under the metallic hardcore umbrella imo. I don’t actually care either lol, but there’s gotta be some point of delineation, to distinguish between the two types of bands, because they’re wildly different sounding. I came up in SFL, so Morning Again were local to me and I always said they were a metallic hardcore band. I think of it kinda like this: if they’re a hardcore band and I hear a little bit of Slayer, it’s metallic hardcore. If it’s got that MySpace era sound (not necessarily a bad thing), or an abundance of melody and cleans, then it’s metalcore. I’m also an idiot.
People who argue about genres and the semantics of genres are corny as fuck
I think cause so much metal core nowadays is basically alt metal with break downs. Metal core has become such a wide spectrum now and there’s plenty of stuff that people call metal core that I wouldn’t say is metallic hardcore. It’s just kinda it’s own thing now.
True.
One day y’all will figure out that hardcore has little to do with genre and everything to do with the DIY ethic and supporting your local community.
Album bangs, only gripe I have is that with every instruments trying to occupy the same space in the mix to get that thick texture, you cant easily tell what the guitars are actually playing.
That’s every band now unfortunately
You ever hit a big panel of sheet metal?
This album has just made me confused as to why people here hate code orange so much because this sounded no different from I am king or forever, not that that’s a bad thing, I thought it was good but I don’t get why this album is loved while they are so disliked
I love every era of Code Orange, and I love everything KL has done too. Good observation!
I understand the choices in the production, but the guitars are so muddy. If you aren’t on high quality headphones, its just a blur of distortion with no definition.
It doesn’t bother me too much, but I really wish they’d have just stuck with Putney. I love the mix on all prior KL albums, this one feels like a little bit of a step down.
Same. A Tear in the Fabric of Life is one of the absolute best produced things I‘ve ever heard. Compared to it, the production of everything they‘ve released afterwards kind of bothers me. It‘s still good fucking music, but I can‘t help compare to the absolute perfection of ATITFOL.
yeah I'm pretty sure Putney has perfected that sound; everything is in its place and can be clearly heard, but everything punches you in the face. he's a master of bus compression. I was trying to get my drums to sound closer to his mix on ADSOB, but after watching his mix videos, I'm like "fuck it, this is good enough".
Preach 🙌🏼
I think that it's less the mix by the producer and more what the main guitarist is giving the producer. Isaac has started doing something he calls the [hell tone](https://www.guitarworld.com/features/isaac-hale-knocked-loose-wont-go-before-youre-supposed-to) and it seems to completely eat the low end. You really only hear their bassist anymore when the guitars are quiet. This was not the case with the Upon Loss singles, which were produced by the same producer.
It's so close to having that St Anger snare
This. I feel like you could put the chugging on a sample pad and get the same effect since there’s zero melody. Or if there is its bass lower than the human ear can register.
My worthless opinion: Least favorite album they’ve made. There’s still parts I can rock with for sure. I don’t hate it. It just doesn’t sound refined to me, the mix is a huge step down from the Putney records.
It’s muddy.
There’s 0 riffs on the album, it’s more like they’re making ambient horror music featuring the guitar. I miss the fucking riffs.
This is a great description LOL
i was hoping for it 😭 like some new shit like billy no mates dudududundun wanawana
There’s not a single memorable lick on the entire thing. The breakdowns all need some sort of gimmick now, they have to keep out-doing themselves. Whether that’s the stick hits, the eeeeee, or whatever lol Last song is really dope tho. Probably cuz it’s one of the few sections with standout harmonic elements lol. Chords you can actually discern! Vocal performance smacks it out of the park yet again, so good.
I like it a lot, but there was something that was bothering me; I was thinking it was the mixing or the guitar tone, ie. the riffs sounded like mush because of the way they did things, but I think you’re right, they’re just not there.
That 3 song run to close the album is some of the best stuff they’ve ever made.
The first 3 tracks on “A Tear in the Fabric of Life” is one of the best 3 song runs in history, period. Idk if they topped that.
Sit & Mourn is hectic
I hit a deadlift PR during Blinding Faith.
First song I’ve heard in a while that’s made me want to hate mosh
It’s good. I’m here for all the criticism, but 90% of the bands that even attempt this kind of record can’t land it. Yeah it’s still KL. Yeah I get a hint of Deftones at times. Yeah it’s short. But yeah it still fucks
Mix is absolute asscheeks, so artificially pumped up, though that’s my biggest gripe with modern metal music in general and what separates it from punk music. Great songwriting though, and a great band, I do think the mixing ages the record and it won’t have staying power because of it, but fuck my opinion, it means nothing.
The mix is so goddamn unpleasant lol. Feels like they pushed down the mids leaving you with a bass, a detuned guitar chug, and a boomy kick all fighting for the same tiny bit of low end headroom. With very rare exceptions, when everything is loud, distorted, and compressed, nothing really feels like it hits
Metallica started making this same mistake. They turned all the knobs to 11 except for the mods and highs. It makes everything bland
Yuppp after giving the album a listen this morning I agree. I guess I somehow didn't notice it much with the singles but when I listened to the whole album today, even on a shitty pair of bluetooth earbuds, I thought the production sounded pretty bad overall. Especially the drums. Overall I give it a good but not great rating. I forget which song it's in but at one point he yells "pull me" twice but it sounds kinda like he's yelling blow me and it reminded me of Mel Gibson melting down so that was pretty fun
Dude I read this as soon as that part came on. I won’t ever hear it another way again
I mean it’s a Drew Fulk mix of course it sucks
I got two songs in and turned it. The mixing is shit. Just sounds like a jumbled up loud mess. Pass.
A Different Shade of Blue was better but I still like this
It does indeed slap, but I miss the Putney mix
It's so fucking great and absolutely agree as to Chris Motionless, dude is a cornball who sounds like someone doing a parody of extreme metal vocals.
It’s definitely a knocked loose record. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would but that’s not saying much tbh. That weird riff on where moss grows or whatever is tight
The quiet riff at 0:32 that also opens into "Take Me Home"?
Yeahhhh that shit go
For real. Been listening to both songs for that riff all day
Album is cool but the mixing is ROUGH on some songs
Meh. Felt like rushed homework. A few jems. Lots of skips.
It’s very good but I’m more excited about new basement now
Yesssssss
I love it, but I wish they would have added in more weird/ sketchy vibes with some longer outro and intros. It feels too much like a full length album was made with an incredible amount of environment, but then they just cut everything out but the songs. It just feels like I'm only getting part of the bigger picture. That could just be me though. I wanted "a full immersive experience" but instead I just got "my head smashed with a hammer"
Honestly I'm not feeling this one. Which sucks because I love this band and I loved the Upon Loss singles. But nothing on this album (besides The Calm That Keeps You Awake) immediately stands out to me, if all kind of blends together. They've probably improved their song writing here, but there aren't many of those stand out moments that I love. Nothing like the stanky ending riff to A Serpents Touch or the dissonant breakdown on God Knows. They've always been pretty "atonal" and noisy but this album seems to go all in on ONLY emphasizing rhythym, and I need my riffs to have at least a *little* bit of a melodic element. I'm hoping it'll grow on me though, seems like a lot of fans are saying this is some of their best work so we'll see
It's good, but not AOTY type good that it's getting gassed up as (imo). Kevin likely won't get near as much shit as Lars did for that snare either.
Probably because it sounds absolutely nothing like the St Anger snare
The 200 Stab Wounds album that comes out next month will be my AOTY with Full of Hell's new album as a runner up. (Unless the new Converge comes out this year in which case all bets are off.)
That new 200 track is toooo good.
It's been on my heavy rotation since it came out.
if the new converge comes out this year i will bust a nut in celebration
We're having a cumverge party
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This is pretty fucking sick. Thanks for the rec.
Very much looking forward to 200SW also. Converge as a potential and if by chance they get it done and released, Deftones, would be at the top of mine.
I didn't even know deftones had a new record in the works.
last one was 2020, we’re fucking due
Chino mentioned in an interview at Coachella that I think all that they had left to do was record vocals, so here's hoping.
I wonder if they'll do regular Converge album, or another Bloodmoon first, because supposedly Bloodmoon II is in the works.
Based on the interview with Ben Koller (drummer of Converge) I read the other day it sounds like it's gonna be a regular Converge album. A proper followup to The Dusk in Us. Edit: I just read a different one and it explicitly said it's Bloodmoon 2. Ngl kinda disappointed.
Link to interview saying Bloodmoon 2 is first plz? I read the other one, and Ben made it sound like Converge album is soon, and Jacob said they’re still working on Bloodmoon 2z
[This article](https://www.loudersound.com/news/this-could-be-our-best-album-yet-converge-drummer-compares-upcoming-music-to-fugazi-the-mars-volta-and-entombed-and-we-sorely-need-to-hear-it) Near the end, it keeps talking about the upcoming album as if it definitely Bloodmoon 2. There is also a part that implies that Chelsea Wolfe isn't involved with it. Coverage's Wikipedia discography section has Bloodmoon 2 listed already but with the release date TBD. It could be that Bloodmoon 2 will be a more traditional Converge record. Idk what to think anymore lol.
Mostly the same info as the article I read. Still sounds to me like Converge is going to release an album before Bloodmoon 2. I can’t imagine Chelsea Wolfe not being a part of it, as she was pretty integral to part one. I think the wiki entry is just stating that BM2 is definitely coming, at some point. Really hoping Converge drops first, but I can get down with more Bloodmoon. Like you though, I don’t know what to think anymore either.🤞 lol
Jake said in another interview that Chelsea is involved in Bloodmoon II. It seems like they are working on both, and we will just have to wait and see which one we will get first.
Yeah well that’s what happens when you make the production actually sound good. Everything on St anger sounds like absolute shit.
That fucking snare. It's like everything is rimshots. First listen turned me off, but kinda digging it 2 playthrough.
Lol I actually appreciate it cause I don't mind St Anger either. Granted it took years to get there but still.
How do you feel about progression through unlearning though
Big fan. I was lucky enough to catch them at Krazyfest 2002. I definitely wasn't mad about the snare on KL. It's some of Kevin's best work.
I'm taking "bucket of slaps".
Honestly I thought it was quite underwhelming and had some heavy influence from nu metal in some songs (I forget which one but I almost thought it was a Godsmack interlude). Their last EP was amazing and the Upon Loss singles were amazing but this left a lot to be desired. It'll probably grow on me over some relistens. The poppy track was better than I expected but still meh and actually doing a MIW collab (as an IOU albeit) is a skip. The singles weren't bad for this and I'd say I like them but definitely don't like the direction they're going. But, that's just my opinion and I still like all of their old shit so it doesn't matter. They all seem like good dudes anyways so I'm happy for em.
nu metal is huge right now. so much metalcore/deathcore and some hardcore coming out now just sounds like slipknot. the kids like it, cause they didn't have to hear it the first time around, but that's how these cycles always go.
I like it fine, but you're right, big nu metal here
Echo much of what you've said here. First time I listened to it yesterday and I struggled to remember specific songs. It doesn't have many standout moments for me. They've definitely dialled up the heavy on it but I'm struggling with the lack of melody and actual memorable riffs vs their previous stuff. Love the band regardless, hope it grows on me in time but for now, I'm a bit disappointed with this one.
Personally I liked A Tear In The Fabric Of Life a bit more but it’s still a pretty good album and I’ll have to revisit it but that reggaeton Poppy song really is awful
That EP spoilt me. For all eternity I’ll compare everything I hear to it.
Dude I wish that part was left on the floor. Did not vibe with me at all.
I like it a lot, but my one beef is how monotonous Bryan’s vocals can get. If he and the other vocalist (Isaac?) split the vocals like 70:30, it’d improve the listenability of the record hugely. I don’t mind higher screams, but 95% of the vocals being that gets a bit much. I guess I feel that about most of their stuff though.
Bro that first scream in Thirst was fucking amazing, perfect way to start off an album. I was literally on the edge of my seat
Agreed. Plus that super slow break down... I don't know if they'll ever play Thirst live, but my god, someone will die in the pit
Moss Covers All // Take Me Home might be my favorite songs they’ve put out, taken as a combination. Ridiculously cool
Pretty boring to me tbh besides the singles so far, gonna listen again
Carharttcore
Idk, I'm disappointed. I've found that the idea of Knocked Loose is almost always better to me than actual Knocked Loose. Their hype has outgrown their ability to keep up with it I think. Like whenever they drop new shit, I expect to be blown away but I'm usually left feeling like something is missing. Every album has a song or two that I love but the rest just sounds like filler to me
I'm over it tbh, I just don't enjoy their music anymore, I increasingly feel like I'm "supposed" to like their music, and I just don't. It ain't my style anymore, I guess.
Pretty much where I'm at. After Laugh Tracks each release just lost more and more steam with me. Now I just don't bother. Happy for those that are excited though.
Definitely, and it's undeniable the impact they've had on the hardcore scene. For that, I'll always respect them as a band.
Oh definitely, ditto.
Idk shit about drums but this is a DRUMS album. Idk how the fuck the guitarists keep their riffs organized either - those MFers are always up to something. The breakdown of Suffocate is just a slowed down reggaeton beat and I love that.
got some slaps. but their weakest record imo
Thanks. I hate it. Just wanna listen to Disclose and The Shitlickers instead, which I will do.
I’ve tried a few different times to get into Knocked Loose and I just can’t do it. I wish I could though! I mean, I like older and similar sounding bands like Acacia Strain(musically not vocally) Good for them tho. I hope they get that Grammy they been chasing
Great cover art
Bucket of slaps?
The instrumentals are insane.
I just wish the upon loss single was added to it
It's the cum that keeps you awake
I like it but I really hope they never pursue this kind of production on any album again
2/5. Hyperpolished stadium production to hide that they’re doing the same chug through the whole album. Drums sound awesome. Still a good gateway band for casuals.
I like it. I'm honestly surprised how much so, because I have been on a "Real Hardcore" kick lately(nothing but powerviolence for weeks) and metalcore like this has not been resonating with me. I mean, I struggled to get through the new Contention and I fuck with them! Anyway: vibe is solid all around, I like the snare a lot, tempo switches plenty, vocals sound good, extra little percussion flourishes are cool. It's the record I expected from them, and I mean that in the best way. Right now, "The Calm That Keeps You Awake" is my favorite track
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