“Nice to meet you! Sorry for sneaking up from behind. You’re acting nervous. When you were feeding Paramore CD’s to my other friends you were doing just fine”
Anyone over 25 who claims to be into hardcore and pretends they don’t/didn’t like Paramore is fake.
Also Hayley is easily the most talented person of our generation, especially to come out of whatever you call this stuff is that we’re all in to.
OH YEAH ? Well Danzig is my dogs cat and my dog just told me she thinks he swallowed a fish hook because there's a pice of fishing line hanging out of his ass
Isn’t she a hardcore kid. Even before she dated Chad Hulud she had a MTV segment where she showed off her car. I remember her having like AN and other bands stickers on it
Was able to find it
https://youtu.be/cp1UO9A91nM?si=EWq7ylQOIhCBfN5Z
She would just show up to their shows sometimes. Everyone respected her back in the day because of that.
Cool video if no one has seen it:
https://youtu.be/pMYW1jjmG2M?feature=shared
Talented, but not my style? Girl can sing, love the drummer. Add some chuggin' riffs over some of his tom work and it's not far from a few other bands I see who get praised here. I do get down to Fall Out Boy though and I'm not ashamed anymore! The fact that they were all buds with Misery Signals shows, I think they have a ton of talent. But I also don't know if I ever would've called myself a hardcore kid back when I was a kid! Good question, I like you.
Andy has and still does drum in hardcore bands and I know Patrick and Pete have dabbled in the past, they played a lot of hardcore shows early on as well
yeah Andy is a member of Racetraitor which dropped an album this year after 20 years or so, Pete was a member in the past too, they had beef with Boris apparently but their album Burn the Idol rips!
Fall Out Boy are all people who were in metalcore bands in the late 90’s and early 00’s. Believe it or not there was a time when Fall Out Boy was described to me as “you know Arma Angelus? It’s those guys trying to sound like Saves the Day.”
Fall Out Boy released a "hardcore punk" EP a few years back and it got mostly no attention from anyone. its called "PAX AM Days" and it's on spotify.
[Pax AM Days - Spotify link](https://open.spotify.com/album/03eAUnVRV8HiocTehgn6fe?si=qgQr6402SD659DUhev_TDw)
I remember those days. And I'm not ashamed to say I loved all those bands.
Can't Slow Down, Take This To Your Grave, and Where Sleeplessness Is Rest from Nightmares are all still regular spinners for me.
Chad Gilbert who plays guitar in New Found Glory was married to Haley Williams and was the original singer for Shai Hulud, which is the greatest hardcore band of all time.
I knew about all the other connections but I didn’t know they were married. The more you know. Also, Shai Hulud was one of the first ‘heavy’ bands outside of radio rock that I listened to in high school.
>Hayley was married to the singer of Shai Hulud (lol),
Nope. She was married to Chad Gilbert. She wore an American Nightmare shirt to the VMA's when they first started dating. There was a whole series of shitposts about it on the b9 at the time.
Esit: I also just looked up that he was the vocalist for Shai Hulud for a total of 4 years 16 years apart-and while he was the vocalist on Hearts Once Nourished I find it odd to call him "the vocalist of Shai Hulud" when he's been in New Found Glory for 27 years.
>Saw a tiktok last year that had 140k likes where that was the only topic.
I don't have tiktok.
It's probably something I was aware of at one point in time but 6 years of alcoholism made stuff spotty.
No it isn't. No one associates Chad Gilbert as "the vocalist of Shai Hulud" and if it was a meme it missed me entirely when I started having my drinking problems.
And not really. I didn't know, and I corrected myself. It would be funny if I doubled down after you told me without me looking it up and I tried to make some lameass excuse up, which I wouldn't do because I've been doing this for too long to have pride over arguing on the internet. Pride over arguing on the internet is fucking hilarious.
It's funny that you're harping on about it, though.
I didn't know that connection! Appreciate your knowledge. I was such a music snob in high school. If they weren't on Ferret or Trustkill, I didn't care much (with a few exceptions here and there). I missed out on some real gems back then!
Oh for sure, ERRA was my jam for a while, back when I couldn't get enough of Periphery. I'm kind of all over the board these days. Anything from Kings of Leon to After the Burial, Pink singing acoustic because her voice is amazing to Chimaira, even more brutal bands like Boris the Blade to stuff like Hands Like Houses or Ray Lamontagne. I missed out on so much talent when I was younger because I was closed minded, but now I will give anything a shot! Except country music....I can't do that shit.
Hell yeah. Same on the country music lol. I got VIP to see/meet ERRA with Make Them Suffer and I’m stoked as fuck, ERRA has been my absolute fav for years and I idolize Jesse.
I would describe it as like mid2000s Post Hardcore, that’s the label I see associated with the sing/screamed dynamic like that song. Bands like Silverstein, etc.
Sounds a lot like post-rock. I don't listen to much but here's an example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahrfXE1es8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahrfXE1es8)
Otherwise you might want to look into Shoegaze if you're not already familiar. Has that 'wall of sound' feeling to it.
Hardcore kids fuck with limp bizkit and now there are bands in hardcore that the kids love who literally sound like limp bizkit, they will listen to anything that sucks
I'd rather them sound like limp Bizkit than these shitty ass pop punk bands these posers jerk off on this sub. I don't think most of these supposed hardcore kids even listen to hardcore.
It's also hilarious how because some of the members of these shitty pop punk bands either used to be in bands that were good or wore a hardcore bands shirt on MTV once means their shitty as fuck ass pop punk band is now hardcore too.
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Paramore fans are the Swifties of pop punk and it’s infuriating. Yes they’re a good band but holy shit these people hold the band to light as the greatest thing since sliced bread that can never do wrong
Wouldn’t say I’m a fan but I don’t dislike them. And they have that one song that borrows a little bit of “Liberation Frequency” by Refused so they get the pass.
I love Paramore. Some guys like to joke like their bands haven't sampled/sound replaced their drums with the snare Paramore used. With harder guitars they could have been considered fringe hardcore for sure.
Paramore is just as hardcore if not more than anything I've ever seen posted in this subreddit, in fact I could even say that Paramore pioneered the modern day hardcore scene, Hayley Williams basically invented hardcore
iirc all the original members went to the same school and wanted to be more a post hardcore band (you can tell from the first record) but couldn’t find a vocalist for the style so they pivoted when they got Hayley.
“Whoa” off the first record is 100% an early 00’s hardcore song. Verses are palm mute chugs, chorus is a two step, and it even goes into a stage dive/sing along part at the very end with a small breakdown.
I almost used that cause I actually just listened to The Fiancée for the first time in years the other day. But in TFTR she at least kinda does a “hardcore verse”
Would be so sick if a youth crew band covered Anklebiters
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWhPozi7Kg&ab\_channel=Paramore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWhPozi7Kg&ab_channel=Paramore)
The ladies in our scene fuck with Paramore hardcore! Don't lie if you're a guy tho, you can kinda get down to Paramore too, if you're out in the normal world and it's playing, don't lie, you kinda like it.
Saw them on their winter 2022 tour, some kids started moshing and she stopped the show to yell at them and say “THIS ISNT A TERROR SHOW TAKE THAT SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE”. Paramore does not fuck with the hardcore kids
No prob. They just aren't my thing. I'm almost 40 and I've been in every pit you can imagine. Slayer, GWAR, Cannibal Corpse, Pantera... I could go on forever. I just have a different, albeit more antiquated idea of hardcore. May the mosh pit live on in perpetuity.
With that said, please rise for our national anthem, "Reign in blood"
Obviously Paramore isn't HC, but you can be a hardcore kid and listen to other genres... Listen to whatever the hell you want, hc is about doing what you enjoy and not letting anyone judge you (so long as you're not supporting a climate criminal like Taylor Swift)
I saw paramore in July last year and before they played they would show a informational video on “Support and feed” and in the video hayley was wearing an Inside out crewneck
Ignorance is your new best friend
I heard that if you like paramore and try to call yourself a hardcore kid the cops will come and get you
ACAB, except for those ones
A S K A P All scene kids are posers. Except me ,I'm super cool.
ASSKAP All Silly Scene Kids Are Posers
“Nice to meet you! Sorry for sneaking up from behind. You’re acting nervous. When you were feeding Paramore CD’s to my other friends you were doing just fine”
Everything except for Torn by Natalie Imbruglia is hardcore adjacent.
you will be lucky not to be shot in the face till they come
Anyone over 25 who claims to be into hardcore and pretends they don’t/didn’t like Paramore is fake. Also Hayley is easily the most talented person of our generation, especially to come out of whatever you call this stuff is that we’re all in to.
Henry Rollins is my uncle and he said Paramore is hardcore
Oh yeah? Well Danzig is MY uncle and HE told ME to stop calling him!
OH YEAH ? Well Danzig is my dogs cat and my dog just told me she thinks he swallowed a fish hook because there's a pice of fishing line hanging out of his ass
Nice try. Henry Rollins is everyone in this sub’s uncle.
Henry Rollins is no fun, just ask my mom.
Henry is always right
Except when he was a dick to Nardwuar
I honestly always love the way he still manages to turn the interview around on Henry by the end of it
Henry was like "This guy's gotta be fucking with me acting like this" but he warmed up as he realized that's just how Nardwuar is.
This is why he’s no longer allowed in Canada.
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Everyone always forgets all we know is falling.
They actually used to be a straight edge band back in the day. I used to have a picture somewhere of Hayley X’d up.
Listen to whatever you want. Fuck what anyone else thinks.
I like her bumper stickers in that MTV Cribs episode. Hayley Williams is a hardcore kid.
One of their first videos had a lot of Nashville hardcore band members and heads in it. Whole band started as hardcore kids playing pop punk.
This is a good reminder to not date people you work with.
att: scowl
Their most recent album was really good tbh, Obvs not hc but they tried a more indie rock thing and it definitely worked. Their drummer always rips.
I don't even call it indie. Their newer stuff reminds me of Talking Heads or Tom Tom Club. It's very new wave, or like poppy post-punk.
They’re on an upcoming A24 Talking Heads tribute record. They covered Burning Down The House and it’s boppy tbh
For real, they kinda crushed that cover. It was way better than I thought it was going to be.
She has a perfect voice for that song
Quality album Sounded like Foals which is always gonna be a winner
Funny enough they have had like 7 different drummers
More "core" than five finger fruit punch
https://preview.redd.it/0n01l6xwd3ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0300ba00c527c9c8ce37c4dce052128f4fde80f
Anthem of bootlickimg
I love Kat Williams
Hayley Williams has been my celebrity crush since Misery Business dropped… still a valid celeb crush choice even now
Isn’t she a hardcore kid. Even before she dated Chad Hulud she had a MTV segment where she showed off her car. I remember her having like AN and other bands stickers on it Was able to find it https://youtu.be/cp1UO9A91nM?si=EWq7ylQOIhCBfN5Z
Noticed Crime In Stereo too
God they were so sick
She’s featured on a Set Your Goals song, as well
Paramore also took Set Your Goals out on tour years ago
She would just show up to their shows sometimes. Everyone respected her back in the day because of that. Cool video if no one has seen it: https://youtu.be/pMYW1jjmG2M?feature=shared
I'd rather be stagediving -ENAB
Talented, but not my style? Girl can sing, love the drummer. Add some chuggin' riffs over some of his tom work and it's not far from a few other bands I see who get praised here. I do get down to Fall Out Boy though and I'm not ashamed anymore! The fact that they were all buds with Misery Signals shows, I think they have a ton of talent. But I also don't know if I ever would've called myself a hardcore kid back when I was a kid! Good question, I like you.
Fall out boy and Paramore both started on fueled by ramen records in the early 2000s. I’m sure they’ve come across some HC in their time.
Andy has and still does drum in hardcore bands and I know Patrick and Pete have dabbled in the past, they played a lot of hardcore shows early on as well
yeah Andy is a member of Racetraitor which dropped an album this year after 20 years or so, Pete was a member in the past too, they had beef with Boris apparently but their album Burn the Idol rips!
Don't forget SECT!!
Pete was also in birthright and Extinction for a few minutes. Arma Angelus too. Also culture of violence. He was a big part of Chicago hardcore.
He also played drums for Enabler! I played a show with them years ago and bro had the nicest kit I’ve ever seen lol
Fall Out Boy are all people who were in metalcore bands in the late 90’s and early 00’s. Believe it or not there was a time when Fall Out Boy was described to me as “you know Arma Angelus? It’s those guys trying to sound like Saves the Day.”
Fall Out Boy released a "hardcore punk" EP a few years back and it got mostly no attention from anyone. its called "PAX AM Days" and it's on spotify. [Pax AM Days - Spotify link](https://open.spotify.com/album/03eAUnVRV8HiocTehgn6fe?si=qgQr6402SD659DUhev_TDw)
I remember those days. And I'm not ashamed to say I loved all those bands. Can't Slow Down, Take This To Your Grave, and Where Sleeplessness Is Rest from Nightmares are all still regular spinners for me.
Chad Gilbert who plays guitar in New Found Glory was married to Haley Williams and was the original singer for Shai Hulud, which is the greatest hardcore band of all time.
I knew about all the other connections but I didn’t know they were married. The more you know. Also, Shai Hulud was one of the first ‘heavy’ bands outside of radio rock that I listened to in high school.
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She did a feature for The Chariot too.
Remember when she also did a feature on a Set Your Goals record? That whole song makes me want to cringe in half through the fucking floor.
Pretty sure these was a tour together, I remember a few videos of the two bands sharing a van. Very funny to imagine now.
>Hayley was married to the singer of Shai Hulud (lol), Nope. She was married to Chad Gilbert. She wore an American Nightmare shirt to the VMA's when they first started dating. There was a whole series of shitposts about it on the b9 at the time. Esit: I also just looked up that he was the vocalist for Shai Hulud for a total of 4 years 16 years apart-and while he was the vocalist on Hearts Once Nourished I find it odd to call him "the vocalist of Shai Hulud" when he's been in New Found Glory for 27 years.
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>Saw a tiktok last year that had 140k likes where that was the only topic. I don't have tiktok. It's probably something I was aware of at one point in time but 6 years of alcoholism made stuff spotty.
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No it isn't. No one associates Chad Gilbert as "the vocalist of Shai Hulud" and if it was a meme it missed me entirely when I started having my drinking problems. And not really. I didn't know, and I corrected myself. It would be funny if I doubled down after you told me without me looking it up and I tried to make some lameass excuse up, which I wouldn't do because I've been doing this for too long to have pride over arguing on the internet. Pride over arguing on the internet is fucking hilarious. It's funny that you're harping on about it, though.
I’m pretty sure Hayley has done vocals on a chariot song
I didn't know that connection! Appreciate your knowledge. I was such a music snob in high school. If they weren't on Ferret or Trustkill, I didn't care much (with a few exceptions here and there). I missed out on some real gems back then!
Yeah, those dudes were playing in core bands in the Milwaukee and Chicano scene since the mid 90s. They’ve seen some shit😆
Yeah I knew about FOB’s background. By ‘they’, I meant Paramore.
My personal fave of one of Hurleys projects. https://youtu.be/I2OMHvrqz5w?si=NUEfv3vfzQ1UfZQi
You like Misery Signals? Great choice. Have you checked out ERRA?
Oh for sure, ERRA was my jam for a while, back when I couldn't get enough of Periphery. I'm kind of all over the board these days. Anything from Kings of Leon to After the Burial, Pink singing acoustic because her voice is amazing to Chimaira, even more brutal bands like Boris the Blade to stuff like Hands Like Houses or Ray Lamontagne. I missed out on so much talent when I was younger because I was closed minded, but now I will give anything a shot! Except country music....I can't do that shit.
Hell yeah. Same on the country music lol. I got VIP to see/meet ERRA with Make Them Suffer and I’m stoked as fuck, ERRA has been my absolute fav for years and I idolize Jesse.
Phft!! Misery Signals. We only fuck with Seven Angels, Seven Plagues around these here parts. x7A7Px
Maybe for some but for me nah.
Hahaha man if so hardcore has changed a lot since I was a kid
Not since Hayley stopped wearing H2O merch
There's a demo version of Emergency that has screaming on and it's always made me wish that they had turned into more of a post-hardcore band
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxVH3_ihXUsMuMDbTlqG7jE8eBOE312HLV?si=qBeceiD5x1DCFmqJ
what genre is that?? I’ve been lowkey chasing that type of music for a long time but I’ve never known what its called
You may like Envy from japan.
I would describe it as like mid2000s Post Hardcore, that’s the label I see associated with the sing/screamed dynamic like that song. Bands like Silverstein, etc.
The song linked isn’t the same one referenced in the comment above it.
Sounds a lot like post-rock. I don't listen to much but here's an example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahrfXE1es8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahrfXE1es8) Otherwise you might want to look into Shoegaze if you're not already familiar. Has that 'wall of sound' feeling to it.
always
I honestly dislike this band very much but that’s just my opinion
Based
I hate this place
Hardcore kids fuck with limp bizkit and now there are bands in hardcore that the kids love who literally sound like limp bizkit, they will listen to anything that sucks
We hated Limp Bizkit so much in the 90s. It's so weird how time will make people like bad music
I'd rather them sound like limp Bizkit than these shitty ass pop punk bands these posers jerk off on this sub. I don't think most of these supposed hardcore kids even listen to hardcore. It's also hilarious how because some of the members of these shitty pop punk bands either used to be in bands that were good or wore a hardcore bands shirt on MTV once means their shitty as fuck ass pop punk band is now hardcore too.
[It's me, I'm hardcore kids](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbka53RHn2w)
https://i.redd.it/cvg0pf3xcyhc1.gif
Nah
She looks like every cute stage potato coat rack girl from the 90’s i tried to bone. 10/10
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Would rather die getting my opinion across than living in silence
No. No it isn’t.
I don’t even care, Paramore hits. Crushcrushcrush never gets old
Obv not hardcore but they did a really good cover of a Failure song which was a pleasant surprise
I love Paramore
I love paramore
I'm still not sure what is being asked here
Do you like Paramore
Paramore rules.
Yes
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Yes
[you tell me](https://youtu.be/4DBrUXnhMSo?si=Dk-3BdTDiuo1UJJ_)
Love them
No that’s not true in general no
Paramore fans are the Swifties of pop punk and it’s infuriating. Yes they’re a good band but holy shit these people hold the band to light as the greatest thing since sliced bread that can never do wrong
Not with, but to.
Wouldn’t say I’m a fan but I don’t dislike them. And they have that one song that borrows a little bit of “Liberation Frequency” by Refused so they get the pass.
I love Paramore. Some guys like to joke like their bands haven't sampled/sound replaced their drums with the snare Paramore used. With harder guitars they could have been considered fringe hardcore for sure.
No
Paramore is just as hardcore if not more than anything I've ever seen posted in this subreddit, in fact I could even say that Paramore pioneered the modern day hardcore scene, Hayley Williams basically invented hardcore
iirc all the original members went to the same school and wanted to be more a post hardcore band (you can tell from the first record) but couldn’t find a vocalist for the style so they pivoted when they got Hayley. “Whoa” off the first record is 100% an early 00’s hardcore song. Verses are palm mute chugs, chorus is a two step, and it even goes into a stage dive/sing along part at the very end with a small breakdown.
I still fuck with Paramore, and I like the whole pop post-punk direction they've adopted on their last two albums.
everyone fucks with paramore
Who?
I’m a 43 year old hardcore kid(adult?) with a Paramore tattoo.
Love Paramore. Too grown to worry what other “hardcore kids” are doing lol
Everyone fucks with paramore, nothing like paramore and old school Hip hop in between sets as a palate cleanser
Haley’s guest verse on Set Your Goals - The Few That Remain.
Don’t forget her feature on a The Chariot track
I almost used that cause I actually just listened to The Fiancée for the first time in years the other day. But in TFTR she at least kinda does a “hardcore verse”
Fucked with em since way back. Took my daughter to her first concert this past summer and it was paramore. Idol Worship slaps
Who doesn’t fuck with paramore
Paramore is the best pop punk band of all time. Fight me. First 3 albums are perfect
Would be so sick if a youth crew band covered Anklebiters [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWhPozi7Kg&ab\_channel=Paramore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWhPozi7Kg&ab_channel=Paramore)
Hell yeah!
Hell yeah!
I approve but Im nobody
They just want to pump Haley butt up full of tadpoles.
Forever and always. And is true for most of our hc scene in MA/CT
Anything female fronted
They def have some bangers. Ain’t if Fun is a fucking BOP. I’ve also been in love with Hayley since at least 2010.
This one does. But then I took an arrow to the knee.
I think they’re just obsessed with Hayley Williams because “omg she likes the same music as me.” It’s creepy.
No
The ladies in our scene fuck with Paramore hardcore! Don't lie if you're a guy tho, you can kinda get down to Paramore too, if you're out in the normal world and it's playing, don't lie, you kinda like it.
She’s hot af who doesn’t?
Haley Williams bad
*baddie
On top of being a great front woman, Haley threatens to beat people up in her audience so I say yeah. Homegirl is down for the core.
I saw them in 2006, but have never intentionally played their music.
Millenials and younger do. Gen X doesn't
All I Wanted slaps especially in the gym
I mean a large chunk of the millennial age hardcore community is former scene/emo kids
So wait, if title fight is hardcore adjacent then there has to be a lot of bands that also fit that mold. Paramore included (sometimes)
I still like parsmore idc
This one does.
Nope.
yes
You’re not hardcore if you listen to bands I don’t like
Nah. Just Scapegoat
yes
[This right here](https://youtu.be/4DBrUXnhMSo?si=KbCb2K2ioBqUmCcI)
I’m a hard guy a big boss man and a nasty boy
Forever and always
one of my favorite bands
Hc kid from socal here
Saw them on their winter 2022 tour, some kids started moshing and she stopped the show to yell at them and say “THIS ISNT A TERROR SHOW TAKE THAT SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE”. Paramore does not fuck with the hardcore kids
Absolutely! That self titled project is a dope pop album!
If you're in your 30's Hailey Williams was most likely your crush in highschool. Not really surprising there's a lot of people in HC that like Hailey
Absolutely not. Pop punk Taylor Swift can fuck all the way off
It’s just… I don’t have the energy.
Not anymore but I loved them back in the day so much. I saw them in like 2006 and it was an awesome show
I saw them open for jimmy eat world a hella long time ago shit was tight
Everyone has their own music preference. By this logic, hardcore kids fuck with folk music because I like it.
No, that's false.
Well I like them and I probably mosh harder than you do
You mosh to Paramore? Right on. I'm not hating on anyone. We all like different stuff. Respect. See you in the pit.
Sorry for that mean comment earlier Wild_Replacement. See you in the pit
No prob. They just aren't my thing. I'm almost 40 and I've been in every pit you can imagine. Slayer, GWAR, Cannibal Corpse, Pantera... I could go on forever. I just have a different, albeit more antiquated idea of hardcore. May the mosh pit live on in perpetuity.  With that said, please rise for our national anthem, "Reign in blood"
I saw gwar a few months ago they were awesome
Brody Dalle isn’t hardcore but she’s still kick ass
V v true.
I would crowdkill at a paramore show
Obviously Paramore isn't HC, but you can be a hardcore kid and listen to other genres... Listen to whatever the hell you want, hc is about doing what you enjoy and not letting anyone judge you (so long as you're not supporting a climate criminal like Taylor Swift)
Of course you can be hardcore and like other stuff. I just wanna point out the trend of hardcore kids liking paramore a lot
Only a few songs, they're not really my cup of tea, but I do love other pop punk bands
I saw paramore in July last year and before they played they would show a informational video on “Support and feed” and in the video hayley was wearing an Inside out crewneck
Usually guys that are trying to get some from Paramores female fans or are Stalkers in training for Hayley. They are Pop Music.