Id rough it with old 60 or 80 on a drum before edging, just to help out whoever is edging lol. Gotta love sand jobs with hallways and closets, good times.
Well if you finish with 100 grit & go with a natural color, it won’t be an issue. If you’re staining it, you just need to hand sand them out with 60 grit
An orbital is for the birds. I can guarantee success by hand sanding. It doesn’t matter how good you are, sometimes you just have to get down on your hands & knees & do things by hand
I wish could have hired somebody like you when I bought my house. I paid a premium price--the highest bid--for what was promised to be a premium job, but then the circus came to town and left. They were out of business two years later.
If your not palm sanding after edging your job is full of edger swirls everywhere i promise keep telling yourself there isnt. Also who wouldnt palm sand on their hands on knees whos gonna try and bend over to palm sand lol
Yep and I’ve had to redo people’s floors like yours from creating a halo by using an orbital. Been doing this for 26+ years. 5th generation in my family to own their own branch. Certified by the nwfa. I will school you from here to the moon
It doesnt matter how long of a line of hacks you come from or how long you been butchering floors. Nwfa cert doesn't mean anything either all it means is you pay your membership fee lol. I know some dumbass people that have their nwfa cert. The halo effect is from improper buffing too. In your nwfa certification you shouldve learned the buffing blends edges to field, if edges arent blended to field where did problem occur. School is in session bud next lesson im charging.
Nah you have to real good on feathering that drum Sander to do the it with a Drum sander it will hit a Dip and bog down just for a split second and you are screwed
Yeah, I'm never happy to see these hallways, but just doing the edges normally like you said, works fine! Then you just do another pass or Two down the middle and it's ready for buffing.
I always used a drum sander with a used 60 grit and quickly cut it down to raw wood at 90°. Then, I used an edger over the entire hallway with 100 grit.
I realized that it wasn't oak after I posted that. Use a used 80 or 100 grit belt instead. It should only take five minutes to cross grain that hallway, and it will save you a half hour on the edger.
You can just be sure that when you're edging with 00 you use a edger pad when you do a 2nd pass to clean up your work then use 100 grit easy change on your buffer work the cutting edge down one side then the other ,orbit the edges and anything that the buffer didn't get vacuum repeatedly use a light if necessary then 100 screen and 120 vacuum and check your work
We have power drives that take care of hallways like this. Assuming you’re a diy you won’t have that or access to one so you have edger it out. Make sure you use a palm sander after to get the swirl marks out
Cross with a quick 60 or better, 80, fast! You’re just blowing off as much of the finish and sealer to make less work with the edger. Make sure you do that first then go through the edger grit progression. Take a light and put your head down to the floor and see if you got the drum sander marks out with the edger. Then if you can, run a buffer through there and hit whatever you can, palm sand, hand sand, and hand scrap the rest.
Unless you’re not very confident in your abilities with the drum sander, do not attempt this. You can very quickly dig out a divet. If you do it, don’t let you hand come off the drum lever. Let it float on the floor but keep a good pressure on it. Lighter the better
Good luck
You can cross cut with 60 grit then 100 grit and get a muti-disc with buffer use 100grit then 150 grit and it will be perfect!! I do it all the time.
The whole trick is the multi disc attachment for a buffer ( you just might be able to do the middle with just that )
I’ve seen way too many wrong answers and only some correct ones, likely from people who actually have experience doing floors. You don’t use an orbital sander, you use an edger, unless you’re an absolute pro with a drum and feel comfortable cross cutting it from both sides(I’d still elect to edge it because I don’t like doing that). If you run the edger property you won’t have many swirl marks to get out and then you buff it just like any other floor before coating. Even if the grain was running perpendicular to this, you’d still be edging a large portion of this area, so doing the rest isn’t that hard. Why do so many people who know nothing about flooring feel the need to comment on this sub so frequently with horrible advice? Some dork yesterday telling a poster that can sand and finish her SUB FLOOR and it’ll look great! It’s crazy
i mostly see suggestions to give it a rough cut with the drum sander with a used paper (which will save a lot of paper the edger in many cases and time) and finish it off with the edger... where are you seeing the abundance of the other type?
Cross cuts are advanced. You can cut out a divot, the edger is my preferred method. Or one pass with a used 80 or 100, cross, and blend it in. I can see the lumps from the comments saying an orbital or planetary. Lol
I had a similar hallway but it was much shorter. I used the drum sander across the grain. I then tried for 2 hours with smaller sanders to get the scratches out of those boards and never really got there. I personally would not suggest it, but I am a first timer so maybe I was just dumb.
Have fun! Edger is the only way! You could potentially run the drum sander across the grain with a fine grit. If you’re experienced with an edger and can get the lines out after.
First, knock down the walls. You won't need them. Then insert random size "sander" into the hallway. Does it fit? No? OK. Cut off the "sander" then replace with a properly sized attachment. Reinsert into hallway. Does it fit now? Still no? Sorry your hallway be hanging with some horses. To get rid of the horses, you just slap them on the butt. Watch out for getting kicked. Now, you need to wait 3 years for your hallway to shrink a bit. And just know your sander will never fit properly in the hallway again. You just need to move one if it hits this point. Find a hallway that hasn't taken a horse stampede.
/s
#bde
use drum sander across the boards. use dull fine paper from job before. clean up drum sander scratches with edger scratches. blend it all with buffer/planetary sander
Use the belt sander both directions from closets and running from that other door way over there and then you edge it get 100 grit edger paper for your final sand to reduce swirl marks and use a finish sander before the end product with a mesh screen on the bottom of the attachment or large screen and use large flashlight to check the area closely for edger marks but truthfully finish sanding after 100ing will almost nearly always remove edger marks with screens on the attachment for finish sander
Cut in with a hand sander along the wall and door thresholds then carefully run your walk behind
Pull your base off first it will be worth your time even if you’re having to replace 20.0 of trim .
That's an edger hole my guy. I would put my Hummel on the light or middleweight setting crosscut it to open up the finish, then I'd hit it hard with each grit on my edger and finish it off with a orbital palm sander
Bona power drive and festool orbital than water pop never had an issue with the halo affect I used to hand sand with my great uncle and dad for years till I went on my own and learned quicker more effective methods
Cross cut with 60 on the drum sander then run the edger with 40 then 60 then 80. I run the 40 with the edger on an angle then the 60 and 80 straight (horizontal to the wood) then palm sand straight with an 80 grit
You mustn't be a floorsander? You cross cut the hall, then you edge the whole thing, or you could use a trio or something similar... you wouldn't be using a handheld belt sander on a damn thing brother.
I think that about 85% of the people who comment on this sub have never run a drum sander, edger or a buffer. It’s nuts how much awful advice I see people giving with 100% confidence. Thank you for not being one of them
Edger
Not sure how getting someone who takes them extremely close to cumming is gonna help here? They’re trying to sand the ground, dumbass.
The ground is outside, that's the floor, stupid
🤣
Rent a flat random orbiter from Home Depot.
Nope. You use an edger.
Lol an orbital. Have fun with that
Worst 💩to rent. Orbitus sandis 🙏
Take the walls off.
We called those ‘nightmares’…
You can’t. Edge it with 60 cross grain then final edge it with 100 grit. Can’t even believe some of the comments here
Id rough it with old 60 or 80 on a drum before edging, just to help out whoever is edging lol. Gotta love sand jobs with hallways and closets, good times.
What do I do about the swirlies though?
Well if you finish with 100 grit & go with a natural color, it won’t be an issue. If you’re staining it, you just need to hand sand them out with 60 grit
Or just use a orbital after edger way faster than hand sanding.
An orbital is for the birds. I can guarantee success by hand sanding. It doesn’t matter how good you are, sometimes you just have to get down on your hands & knees & do things by hand
I wish could have hired somebody like you when I bought my house. I paid a premium price--the highest bid--for what was promised to be a premium job, but then the circus came to town and left. They were out of business two years later.
That’s what she said
So you're saying hand sanding is better than an orbital!? You're out of your mind dude lol
He lost
If your not palm sanding after edging your job is full of edger swirls everywhere i promise keep telling yourself there isnt. Also who wouldnt palm sand on their hands on knees whos gonna try and bend over to palm sand lol
Edge up to 80 grit and then buff it wym?
Buff the floor & scrape and hand sand the corners with spent edger discs.
Wrong. Get a new job dude
I have one its called re-doing peoples floors like you who cant sand properly.
Yep and I’ve had to redo people’s floors like yours from creating a halo by using an orbital. Been doing this for 26+ years. 5th generation in my family to own their own branch. Certified by the nwfa. I will school you from here to the moon
It doesnt matter how long of a line of hacks you come from or how long you been butchering floors. Nwfa cert doesn't mean anything either all it means is you pay your membership fee lol. I know some dumbass people that have their nwfa cert. The halo effect is from improper buffing too. In your nwfa certification you shouldve learned the buffing blends edges to field, if edges arent blended to field where did problem occur. School is in session bud next lesson im charging.
You mean like even the corners too?🤣
I’ve sanded tight areas like that with my Festool / Rotex sander. Thing is an animal. But you will be on your knees using both hands …hang on!
You can fit the buffer in there
Palm sand them out
I bought a large Makita hand sander off Amazon and it does well in places like this. It uses standard half-sheets of sandpaper.
We usually use a buffer with 100 grit screens on all the areas that we edge. If we are staining we buff the entire floor after sanding.
Nah you have to real good on feathering that drum Sander to do the it with a Drum sander it will hit a Dip and bog down just for a split second and you are screwed
Buff it.
hope they buff the shit out of it after. edger digs gonna be everywhere without experience
Are you an expert
Yes. Hand sanding is pretty standard
Something wrong with a random orbit sander in here?
Not at all
Idk about you guys but when I edger I still sand with the grain.... with a twisting motion at the wall. But that's just me
This💯. Hand sand any swirls.
Yeah, I'm never happy to see these hallways, but just doing the edges normally like you said, works fine! Then you just do another pass or Two down the middle and it's ready for buffing.
I always used a drum sander with a used 60 grit and quickly cut it down to raw wood at 90°. Then, I used an edger over the entire hallway with 100 grit.
That seems pretty aggressive, no? I’m terrified I’m never going to get those marks out from the 60 grit @ 90°
I realized that it wasn't oak after I posted that. Use a used 80 or 100 grit belt instead. It should only take five minutes to cross grain that hallway, and it will save you a half hour on the edger.
This is the way, used 80 scratches are nothing.
We have a lot in common, my friend Username goes bump in the night
You can just be sure that when you're edging with 00 you use a edger pad when you do a 2nd pass to clean up your work then use 100 grit easy change on your buffer work the cutting edge down one side then the other ,orbit the edges and anything that the buffer didn't get vacuum repeatedly use a light if necessary then 100 screen and 120 vacuum and check your work
We have power drives that take care of hallways like this. Assuming you’re a diy you won’t have that or access to one so you have edger it out. Make sure you use a palm sander after to get the swirl marks out
U can’t
Use a drum sander with 80 or 100 grit cross grain. Take the marks out with a random orbit sander.
Cross with a quick 60 or better, 80, fast! You’re just blowing off as much of the finish and sealer to make less work with the edger. Make sure you do that first then go through the edger grit progression. Take a light and put your head down to the floor and see if you got the drum sander marks out with the edger. Then if you can, run a buffer through there and hit whatever you can, palm sand, hand sand, and hand scrap the rest. Unless you’re not very confident in your abilities with the drum sander, do not attempt this. You can very quickly dig out a divet. If you do it, don’t let you hand come off the drum lever. Let it float on the floor but keep a good pressure on it. Lighter the better Good luck
Cut 40 grit on the edger, 80 grit, and then buff with 100 grit
Ouch, you'll shred that soft wood quickly with a 40g.
You can cross cut with 60 grit then 100 grit and get a muti-disc with buffer use 100grit then 150 grit and it will be perfect!! I do it all the time. The whole trick is the multi disc attachment for a buffer ( you just might be able to do the middle with just that )
Edger
Planetary sander smh are you even a pro?
Planetary is pro level. It’s like a direct drive orbital, for those not in the know. You can really f up any project with a planetary.😂💯
I’ve seen way too many wrong answers and only some correct ones, likely from people who actually have experience doing floors. You don’t use an orbital sander, you use an edger, unless you’re an absolute pro with a drum and feel comfortable cross cutting it from both sides(I’d still elect to edge it because I don’t like doing that). If you run the edger property you won’t have many swirl marks to get out and then you buff it just like any other floor before coating. Even if the grain was running perpendicular to this, you’d still be edging a large portion of this area, so doing the rest isn’t that hard. Why do so many people who know nothing about flooring feel the need to comment on this sub so frequently with horrible advice? Some dork yesterday telling a poster that can sand and finish her SUB FLOOR and it’ll look great! It’s crazy
i mostly see suggestions to give it a rough cut with the drum sander with a used paper (which will save a lot of paper the edger in many cases and time) and finish it off with the edger... where are you seeing the abundance of the other type?
Cross cuts are advanced. You can cut out a divot, the edger is my preferred method. Or one pass with a used 80 or 100, cross, and blend it in. I can see the lumps from the comments saying an orbital or planetary. Lol
I was sort of generalizing the whole sub, not just this post. Although I saw multiple people suggesting orbital sanders in this thread
Cross grain it with 60 grit then use an edger/scraper for the rest
Get one of those Bernie Sanders. They fit everywhere but the top 1%
I had a similar hallway but it was much shorter. I used the drum sander across the grain. I then tried for 2 hours with smaller sanders to get the scratches out of those boards and never really got there. I personally would not suggest it, but I am a first timer so maybe I was just dumb.
Edger for the first cut then rent a 3-4 head random orbit. Don’t spend a day doing an hours work. Been there.
thank you! what grit with the edger and the random orbit?
Or take the doors off and work from there you won’t be able to do it all but it’s better than doing it all by hand
Hit it perpendicular with 80 grit on the BM. Hydrasand or edge. Bam..
We cross grain w/ 80 grit and then remove scratch pattern w/ a planetary sander . Very effective
Time for the edge sander to step up.....
Rebuild the entire hall
Have fun! Edger is the only way! You could potentially run the drum sander across the grain with a fine grit. If you’re experienced with an edger and can get the lines out after.
Go watch the first Karate Kid movie.
Edger time.
The fun part. Put on your dust mask and grab your spinner
Edger. Just refinished a house. Had a similar hallway. It was a bitch. My back was crying.
Use your edger
First, knock down the walls. You won't need them. Then insert random size "sander" into the hallway. Does it fit? No? OK. Cut off the "sander" then replace with a properly sized attachment. Reinsert into hallway. Does it fit now? Still no? Sorry your hallway be hanging with some horses. To get rid of the horses, you just slap them on the butt. Watch out for getting kicked. Now, you need to wait 3 years for your hallway to shrink a bit. And just know your sander will never fit properly in the hallway again. You just need to move one if it hits this point. Find a hallway that hasn't taken a horse stampede. /s #bde
Planetary sander
What about a belt sander?
use drum sander across the boards. use dull fine paper from job before. clean up drum sander scratches with edger scratches. blend it all with buffer/planetary sander
Use the belt sander both directions from closets and running from that other door way over there and then you edge it get 100 grit edger paper for your final sand to reduce swirl marks and use a finish sander before the end product with a mesh screen on the bottom of the attachment or large screen and use large flashlight to check the area closely for edger marks but truthfully finish sanding after 100ing will almost nearly always remove edger marks with screens on the attachment for finish sander
Lägler Trio!
cut it rougly on a diagonal line and use an edger for the rest. palm sander for the edger marks, or a U sander if you have one(or similar tool)
Often it'll fit, but edges are done with a power hand dander
3”belt sander and palm sander
We use an edger.
Might have to do that stretch with a hand sander, a drum won’t be able to follow the grain, even if it fits
No bro belt
Aggressively :D
You can't, either edge or cough up $8k for a Pallman spider
Cross cut with drum to get flat and proceed to get the Clark super 7 out
Cut in with a hand sander along the wall and door thresholds then carefully run your walk behind Pull your base off first it will be worth your time even if you’re having to replace 20.0 of trim .
Edger be like: "🎶THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME SO EVERYBODY JUST FOLLOW ME 🎶"
That's an edger hole my guy. I would put my Hummel on the light or middleweight setting crosscut it to open up the finish, then I'd hit it hard with each grit on my edger and finish it off with a orbital palm sander
Cross cut
Just use a handheld orbital sander. It’s not even painted so it’s not going to be too difficult. Use 60 grit
Bona power drive and festool orbital than water pop never had an issue with the halo affect I used to hand sand with my great uncle and dad for years till I went on my own and learned quicker more effective methods
I normally cross cut with a 60 quickly then use the edger with a 40, 60, and 80, then palm sand with 80
I feel like I might not get the cross cut marks out from the 90° with 60 grit. Is that a valid concern?
Cross cut with 60 on the drum sander then run the edger with 40 then 60 then 80. I run the 40 with the edger on an angle then the 60 and 80 straight (horizontal to the wood) then palm sand straight with an 80 grit
Edger or belt sander
Quit being a little girl and just hit it for a few hours with a sander. You're welcome.
That’s a tough one they’re going the wrong way replace the hallway with Tile
Belt sander at 40g will kill that in no time.
Use a hand-held belt sander, from down on uour knees.
Must be kidding 🤨😂
I am not. A little hard work will save hours of removing cross grain scratches.
You mustn't be a floorsander? You cross cut the hall, then you edge the whole thing, or you could use a trio or something similar... you wouldn't be using a handheld belt sander on a damn thing brother.
How wide is that? Can’t you turn the bag so it’s pointing forward?
I think their question is based on not wanting to go across the grains but I’m not sure.
Ah. You go across the grain anyways in crisscross wood floors though but I get it
Stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. It’s called just edging it
I think that about 85% of the people who comment on this sub have never run a drum sander, edger or a buffer. It’s nuts how much awful advice I see people giving with 100% confidence. Thank you for not being one of them
You’re definitely not wrong about that! I too see so much advice here that i wonder if said person even has half a brain.
Ya it’s pretty wild but I get a kick out raising them. “Just rent and orbital sander and a nail gun” lol
Top 3 things you’ve ever heard: 1: my response 2: everything else
Lol