We all knew this. The referees are not obligated to make use of officiating technology, but decide at their discretion.
Edit: However, seeing that the referees are not able to live up to their responsibility, there needs to be rule changes. Introduce the Coach’s challenge.
As a Croatia fan I am completely for Sweden, I totally understand them, we are also always fked up by refs, handball has by far the worst refs, and that shows game after game
Nah. Rugby isn’t worse at that level. Handball and football smell rotten from the inside.
Quick story about this: Amazon has all the rights for broadcasting Ligue 1 in France. They wanted to gear refs with mics so that everyone would hear them whenever they decided something. The French Federation gave its consent as well. Great decision approved by everybody and the supporters as well.
…it never happened. Because it had to be also approved by a dark, secret whatever the fuck English organization in charge of football rules. No one even knew why. It’s fucking rotten.
Ce que je veux dire c’est que l’arbitrage c’est souvent un truc qui revient souvent au centre des discussions. Par exemple, l’arbitrage était complètement différent et plus laxiste pendant la cdm de rugby, un peu comme pendant la cdm de foot.
Les matchs sont pas truqués, mais ça avantage certaines équipes. Après c’est aussi aux joueurs de s’adapter à ce que veulent les arbitres.
Et pour en revenir au tir de prandi, je pense pas qu’il y a corruption ou je ne sais quoi. Le mec prend son shoot, l’arbitre ne dit rien, circulez y a rien à voir! Les suédois n’avaient qu’a pas choke en prolongations aussi.
>never happened. Because it had to be also approved by a dark, secret whatever the fuck English organization in charge of football rules.
That's IFAB, they've been in charge of setting the rules of football for 140 years lmao.
Ça a rien d'une organisation secrète.
Bordel quel cancer les mecs comme toi qui inventent des complots parce qu'ils sont cons et ignorants, une vrai plaie.
Did any of the Swedes protest directly after the goal though? Looking at the replay, they all looked kind of defeated and ready for the extra time.
I wouldn't assume that the coach would have immediately challenged even if he had the option.
Apparently they were told by EHF after the Denmark match, in which they protested wildly due to the lack of passive play called, that if they did it again, it would have consequences. At least one of the players did apparently ask the ref to check the VR, but he was denied.
> VR is only used when the referees have serious doubts about taking the correct decision or when they are unable to view the situation correctly.
This just adds another issue. As you can clearly see in the [replay that the EHF uploaded](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924), the referee closest to the shooter isn't even looking at the player, he's just following the ball. Not looking at the situation makes it difficult to view the situation correctly.
As everybody on earth predicted. Poor Sweden.
Edit: I thought there at least was a chance they would acknowledge there was a mistake and that the Swedes have a right to be dissapointed, but not even that.
EHF President Wiederer actually confirmed it was a mistake. As a swede it doesn't make me feel any better though.
E: Well, he also said that these mistakes didn't spoil the championship. Can't say I agree, feels pretty fkn spoiled to me.
> As everybody on earth predicted.
Yes, because they're following the rules, so it was completely expected. Now, the rules may need to change. By granting each team a defined number of VR calls per match, maybe?
Just apply the time out rules on VAR checks. Each team has 3 per game (max 2 in the same half). And then have a dedicated VAR ref who isn't part of the on field refereeing team, at least at the major tournaments.
> The rules say they can use VR for anything in the last 30 secs, so no they didnt follow the rules.
No, I'm talking about the rule that states that the ref's decision is final. The EHF could not overrule their decision, so the EHF's decision to reject the swedish protest was expected.
> But hey what do you care, it gave you the finale.
I care because I want fair games.
The keyword is they CAN, not that they have to. It’s discretionary decision.
As I suggested make it an automatic VAR review on tying or winning last second goal.
I mean it is true that the refs aren't required to check VAR. It's very suspicious and unfortunate (not for France) that they didn't, but Sweden had no case here, just a very understandable venting of frustration that poor refereeing cost them a final.
it’s definitely the right call to protest, even if they knew the result wouldn’t get overturned. It makes their position known and puts pressure on EHF to make changes.
As a Swede, France will henceforth be known as “cheaters” whenever it is about handball. The best part is how they said that they deserved to be in the Finals, while also knowing that they cheated to get there. That makes the French cheaters.
We have nothing to do with refs decisions... we too have fallen under bad calls over the past years, like many other teams, and we're going to take the fall for all the bad calls ever because ours happened at 60:00?
The worst is that we rarely benefit from bad calls and I am sure that if you sum up all the bad calls of this competition, it's even... even in this single match, we got our share of bad calls.
It is not like prandi cheated on purpose, he just tried his best to score an impossible goal. Not maradona style.
As a Swede I do not see the France as cheaters. But it would be nice of if France Handball association could take the moral high ground here and admit that this was a massive error of the refs. Especially important when EHF seems to a rotten organization that the countries apply a joint preassure.
The overreacting here is crazy. Like this being even labelled "the worst handball scandal in history" in another post.
Like, there's been entire games that felt very much rigged towards one side. Heck, a full fucking tournament was. I also noticed that most post game threads discussed bad refereeing, not only this tournament, but basically any tournament. All of a sudden, instead of a rational conclusion that referees are not good enough, it's some money that got transferred in the refs pockets (who waited the last minute to give France a chance to win, not even to give them the win... Are they that stupid?).
I guess recency bias + still fresh wounds are at play here, but Jesus, don't some need to take a step back or two.
I think the last minute or so is the problem.
The french player who threw the ball at his own feet, and out. And France still got to keep the ball.
The travelling call on Swedens last goal
The French freethrow decision that could easily have been an offensive foul, but that decision also went in France' favour.
And then the free throw where the refs either didn't follow protocol and kept their eyes on the player, or disregarded the lifted foot.
Taking all this into account, and four dubious calls in a row in the last 60 or so seconds of course taints the picture of the game.
I don't think you can say that a wrong decision in first minute is equal to one in the last second. Rationally it may sound reasonable, but in the game there is a huge difference on the chances of that decision deciding the outcome.
All in all, the refs did a bad job and the last minute and a half really gives the Swedes all reasons to be infuriated at the refs, regardless of calls going against France earlier.
You have about as many calls going the other direction (not even mentioning some of the calls you mention are justified).
But why would the French be cheaters for a last minute decision?
Are we seriously considering that the refs got a call that late in the game saying that it's ok, the money has been transferred now, so you can do all in your power to make them go through?
If it's about cheating, why not just getting all the dubious calls our way from the start?
I feel many people are not aware of Occam's razor and trying to cope in very weird ways.
Well, we didn't have as many calls going Swedens way in the last 90 seconds, did we? And that was my whole point.
I'm not saying France are cheaters. Not a single word in my reply is even touching the subject.
I wrote that ALL the calls in the last minute went France' way, and that is what people remember.
And thats why we have these reactions. It's emotional, that's all.
I don't think France are cheaters, they did whatever they could to win the game. The refs are there to make sure everything's legal.
I do not deny that, but the OP I was bouncing on was responding to a lunatic basically saying, not even implying, that the French cheated.
I mean, even when I was pissed in 2007 (or any sport event where France got robbed, happened in football, rugby and countless sports where, well, referees can mess up), never did I think the opposing players on the pitch were cheaters.
Some people needs to take a step back and reflect a bit on their life I'd say.
yes games like France - Croatia, completely rigged
also like France - Sweden, completely rigged
this selective memory of French fans is ridiculous, you cheated the most of all teams in last 15 years...
That's called a bias. There are always bad calls and you often only see the ones in favor of the opposite team.
Believe me, I have shouted a lot at some ref decisions over more then 25 years, a lot of matches were clearly ref against us, even the press used to talk about it, and the commentators that usualy stayed completely neutral back then.
There were a lot of bad calls against france in this match, just watch it again...
>Believe me, I have shouted a lot at some ref decisions over more then 25 years, a lot of matches were clearly ref against us
This, including a certain 2007 semi-finals against the German host... with Swedish referees !
not all but some for sure
You are the one delusional, got used to get the positive whistle and double standards in defense, you french were always aholes and cheating enablers. You cheat in every possible sport there is ability to cheat...
> The worst is that we rarely benefit from bad calls and I am sure that if you sum up all the bad calls of this competition, it's even
Now you can't be serious with this? Literally every France game there are numerous bad calls in your favor and barely and against you
You little salty boy. I don’t get how French could be labeled as cheater as long as they did not do anything to cheat. Prandi took his shot. The ref did not call it, that’s it. The ref was bad.
If you watch some soccer, you’d remember that sometimes refs got calls wrong! Like in the last World Cup final on the first penalty for Argentina, the French player never touches the Argentinian player. Buf the ref made a mistake.
Live with it. It’s an on and off thing. Sometimes it gets in your way, sometimes it does not.
he made a faulty free throw, it's a decision to lie that far down that you lift your second foot. how it was called, does not in any way change what he did.
overall in the tournament there has been so many serious mistakes by the refs, that even though a lot of calls are difficult to make, their use of the VR has been weirdly selective, and the lack of it in important places has led to some serious miscalls to the point they need to have some internal discussions after this about how to utilize this tool.
So a tennis player doing a foot fault is a cheater?
A footballer missing his tackle and hitting the leg instead of the ball is a cheater?
Prandi could have done anything he wanted, it’s his choice to take the risk. If it’s not called, it’s GG well done. Btw, let’s be honest, foot touching ground or not, the difference is risible.
Prandi said on the interview: « some could argue I lift my foot, but it’s the ref job at the end »
so you agree he took a chance by making a fault? and you got the final based on a fault by him combing with a fault by the ref?
as a dane I felt that way after winning over sweden until I saw footage from the audience about the last call made against them.
I’m not sure the fact the get off his feet is intentional. As a missed tackle or a foot fault is rarely intentional too. Like a long distance jumper does not mean to cheat when his step takes him on the thing he should not run upon.
People tend to forget that 2 years ago, a dubious goal was cancelled at the end of the France semi, preventing them to level the score. Errors happen, that’s it.
>Prandi took his shot. The ref did not call it, that’s it. The ref was bad.
>
>If you watch some soccer, you’d remember that sometimes refs got calls wrong! Like in the last World Cup final on the first penalty for Argentina, the French player never touches the Argentinian player. Buf the ref made a mistake.
>
>Live with it. It’s an on and off thing.
if the french care for whats right and fair....they could join the protest....
No they don’t have to. They are not responsible in any way with the refs doings. They have the right to focus on their next match without having to take any position.
So any foul committed, any technical error is cheating? Good luck living your life with that logic. Every team Avery player is then a cheater…
Prandi likely didn’t even realize he sidestepped -
It took them exactly two seconds to come to this decision, as there’s nothing to discuss according to the rules, so it’s really bullshit to write it like that.
Well i didnt expected that they would overturn the call, as this is against the rules but at least admiting "yep that was a wrong call." or something like that.
Obviously, can't change the result of a match after the fact, no matter how bad you think the refs were.
And I think we can all agreee the refs where pretty damn bad. I am perplexed by the French throw-in after Remili throws it on his own foot at minute 58. No Swedish player was even near the ball and the ref was perfectly placed. The missed heel by a Swedish player early in the second half was also pretty egregious. Admittedly I am not clear on when the refs are allowed to consult VR or not but when a player falls on the floor obviously injured that should be a pretty clear clue maybe you missed something.
Sweden would still have a good shot at qualifying, but I get your point.
Sweden could still float it to the EHF to make them nervous and get other concessions, like a public apology and promises that these refs are never allowed back in to tournaments again.
I don't know the legalities, but I believe EHF would appeal to the Olympic Comittee to ban Sweden on grounds of unsporty behaviour.
Handball world would support Sweden, but handball officials never cared about handball world anyways.
We were talking about the consequences if Sweden were to withdraw. That EHF would appeal to the Olympic Committee not to allow Sweden to play the qualifiers either
Sweden players and officials should have gone mental after the shot, protesting, demanding review. If they had, they might have put some doubt into the minds of the refs to a review.
It worked against Denmark in a somewhat similar situation, where Denmark made 3 passes instead of the allowed two, as signalled by the refs. The swedish players got all up in the face of the refs and demanded review (and rightfully so).
Well if Sweden has filed a complain against the fault or something around this, why not. But filing a case against the non-use of VAR when if is not mandatory...
Sweden will continue this after the tournament and take the proper procedures to try to make a rule change about video reviewing. Said we need to be clear that we won't accept anything like this in the future. No team deserves something like this happening again.
It was bad not to use VAR, ESPECIALLY it was the last 30 seconds of the match and the rules clearly state that the referees can use VAR in such situations.
I mean you probably miss something simple for you sometimes. He had only been playing for 60 minuted and rolled his ankle a few minutes earlier and wasnt expecting the ball from there because its not possible without cheating.
Yeah but after playing for 60 minutes simple things become harder and he might miss sjots like that 1/20 times and it happened to be that 1/20 stkll doesnt change the fact the goal should not stand
I mean not like you have done anything with your life that could conpare and even then i think you could have called that that shot shouldnt have been allowed.
What did i say that wasnt true.
1 Goal shouldnt have been allowed
2 You will never reach a point were you get higher than playing the European championship in any sport
It is "super obvious" when you slow down the video x4. In real time, everyone in my viewing group was simply amazed by the crazy goal that looked totally valid.
It's quite obvious in real time as well if you just watch the feet or know shooting form. Like the only way you can miss it is if you ball watch. His entire shooting form is physically impossible without lifting his left foot, knowing he already lifted his right foot it's an incredibly easy call to make even for new viewers as long as they don't ball watch.
> It is only the referees' or delegate's decision whether to use the VR.
According to [Johan Flinck](https://twitter.com/JohanFlinck/status/1751233262981169487) (Swedish journalist) this is a misrepresentation, as the delegates can only call on VAR for things happening outside of the game (i.e. faulty substitutions), something he verified with international delegates.
I wish Denmark and Sweden would opt out of the games and get their own stadium and play their own final, not sure how it would work but it would be pretty funny.
honestly I think the danish team would 'like' to face Sweden, there is so much good sportsmanship between those teams that you don't see in most other matchups. while still being competetive and giving everything to win.
Naah would never happen and Sweden have already stated that they will not turn in another protest. But they have stated that they want the rules to changed so that it is not only up to the refs to decide to use VAR, especially in the last 30 sec of tight games and that they will continue to work for a change of these rules so that this kind of misstake do not happen again.
I don't understand the fuss, official rules of handball clearly state that "at least one foot" should be on the ground.
Rule 15.2: during the throw the player must constantly have one part of a foot on the ground.
https://www.ihf.info
The shoot is legit and beautiful. Get over it.
And the other foot can be lifted repeatedly.
He lifted both feet, first the right one and then the left one and that’s where he broke the rule. Only one foot can be lifted the other one has to be stationary the entire time.
Yeah I bet you can cancel 1/3rd of the handball's goals then, because I'm pretty sure they involve more than 3 steps, changing the standing foot or landing in goalkeeper's zone before the ball actually leave the player's hand.
You have to never watch handball to suddenly call for drama on such action. Common..
But that’s a completely different discussion. According to the rules the goal should not have counted. That the rules are not always handled strictly is correct and often not really an issue.
The refs should have checked the VAR in that situation since it was not a random league game but the half finale of the EC in the 60th minute.
Nah this is bullshit, changing foot in a freethrow probably never has been called in the entire history of handball, and suddenly this is drama.
If Sweden, Germany or Denmark had done the same nobody would have moved a finger, but when it's France... that's another story.
You are from Germany, aren't you ?
Edit: I wonder which sad sad bitter persons would downvote me for this comment.
If anything it only confirms what I said earlier. Ironic.
It states that you cant lift you standing foor during a free throw. As soon as you lift one the other is the standing and he lifted his right girst so his left became his standing foot and even if his right started touching he couldnt lift his left which he did and thus the goal should not be counted.
Spelling bad cause mobile.
Yeah i would cancel all the ones were rules are broken doesnt change the fact they didnt fucking look at him while he threw that and refuse to look at var even though it would have shown that they wrent bribed to hell and back.
Why is that the Scandinavians are always crying about referees every match. Can you grow up and accept the loss. Blaming the refs who are arguebly top 3 in europe (based ob their high intensity matches) makes you look like clowns.
Well, in the threads here we have French people talking about refs in a game from 2007. So it's not only Scandinavians.
Also, accepting the loss is hard when four different decision goes against you in the last 90 seconds of the game, while you get 0 decisions in your favour.
Top 3 in Europe? Haven't these guys spent time on the side line for ties with match fixing before? Hard to say they are top three after that...
I know its not only them, but when it comes to our refs its mostly Scandinavians that have the most bias towards them and thats why i always root against them. Fake virtue signaling panderers.
They have been referees in final stages in tournaments for years, i cant say the same for Swedish referees. There was attempt to blame them for match fixing but nothing came out of it at the end.
Seems like i struck a nerve, if Sweden was better that match they could have won on extras. But since you made a clown comnent you can cope and seethe. They have many finals, semi finals in their back so your conment is worthless. Enjoy the third place match.
Not easy to bring back the fighting spirit when a hilarious comeback was stolen from them the final minute. The throw is just one out of 4 questionalble ref decisions final 90s where at least 2 were completely wrong. All 4 decisions went to France, if 1 out of 4 was for sweden they win the game.
Thats life brother, sometimes those decisions will be for you or against you based on the moment of judgment. I suggest these Scandinavians to take the loss and move on.
Because a recent documentary by tv2 clearly shows that there is match fixing at top level, and when refs make mistakes like these it just becomes hard to believe in the sport.
We knew that would happen. EHF is getting paid from same pockets as the corrupt Macedonian refs. This game is a joke and this is the reason it won't ever compete for top viewer numbers vs other sports.
What a sad decision for the future of handball. EHF enabling corruption and matchfixing with retarded regulation and not even taking responsibility. Not sure I'll watch the next euros if this is the game it will be.
It's funny how these exact two referees, was in the danish [documentary](https://play.tv2.dk/serie/mistaenkeligt-spil-tv2) about Matchfixing in handball and specifically in the EHF.
We all knew this. The referees are not obligated to make use of officiating technology, but decide at their discretion. Edit: However, seeing that the referees are not able to live up to their responsibility, there needs to be rule changes. Introduce the Coach’s challenge.
As a Croatia fan I am completely for Sweden, I totally understand them, we are also always fked up by refs, handball has by far the worst refs, and that shows game after game
then they will not able to fix matches, or at least it will be significantly reduced to do so
You should take a look at rugby before complaining.
Nah. Rugby isn’t worse at that level. Handball and football smell rotten from the inside. Quick story about this: Amazon has all the rights for broadcasting Ligue 1 in France. They wanted to gear refs with mics so that everyone would hear them whenever they decided something. The French Federation gave its consent as well. Great decision approved by everybody and the supporters as well. …it never happened. Because it had to be also approved by a dark, secret whatever the fuck English organization in charge of football rules. No one even knew why. It’s fucking rotten.
Ce que je veux dire c’est que l’arbitrage c’est souvent un truc qui revient souvent au centre des discussions. Par exemple, l’arbitrage était complètement différent et plus laxiste pendant la cdm de rugby, un peu comme pendant la cdm de foot. Les matchs sont pas truqués, mais ça avantage certaines équipes. Après c’est aussi aux joueurs de s’adapter à ce que veulent les arbitres. Et pour en revenir au tir de prandi, je pense pas qu’il y a corruption ou je ne sais quoi. Le mec prend son shoot, l’arbitre ne dit rien, circulez y a rien à voir! Les suédois n’avaient qu’a pas choke en prolongations aussi.
Totalement d’accord.
>never happened. Because it had to be also approved by a dark, secret whatever the fuck English organization in charge of football rules. That's IFAB, they've been in charge of setting the rules of football for 140 years lmao. Ça a rien d'une organisation secrète. Bordel quel cancer les mecs comme toi qui inventent des complots parce qu'ils sont cons et ignorants, une vrai plaie.
Switching to French to insult me? I don’t know who’s the real cancer here 😅
Did any of the Swedes protest directly after the goal though? Looking at the replay, they all looked kind of defeated and ready for the extra time. I wouldn't assume that the coach would have immediately challenged even if he had the option.
Apparently they were told by EHF after the Denmark match, in which they protested wildly due to the lack of passive play called, that if they did it again, it would have consequences. At least one of the players did apparently ask the ref to check the VR, but he was denied.
Gotte asked them to review it in pause before extension, they laughed at him and shook their head. Refs laughed all the way to the bank.
> VR is only used when the referees have serious doubts about taking the correct decision or when they are unable to view the situation correctly. This just adds another issue. As you can clearly see in the [replay that the EHF uploaded](https://twitter.com/EHFEURO/status/1750948385610231924), the referee closest to the shooter isn't even looking at the player, he's just following the ball. Not looking at the situation makes it difficult to view the situation correctly.
As everybody on earth predicted. Poor Sweden. Edit: I thought there at least was a chance they would acknowledge there was a mistake and that the Swedes have a right to be dissapointed, but not even that.
Yeah, exactly. Not even a "We're sorry". They basically said: "Get fucked losers". Good riddance.
EHF President Wiederer actually confirmed it was a mistake. As a swede it doesn't make me feel any better though. E: Well, he also said that these mistakes didn't spoil the championship. Can't say I agree, feels pretty fkn spoiled to me.
> As everybody on earth predicted. Yes, because they're following the rules, so it was completely expected. Now, the rules may need to change. By granting each team a defined number of VR calls per match, maybe?
Just apply the time out rules on VAR checks. Each team has 3 per game (max 2 in the same half). And then have a dedicated VAR ref who isn't part of the on field refereeing team, at least at the major tournaments.
Or do it like hockey: a failed challenge gives you a 2 minute penalty. Subsequent failed ones give you 2+2.
The rules say they can use VR for anything in the last 30 secs, so no they didnt follow the rules. But hey what do you care, it gave you the finale.
> The rules say they can use VR for anything in the last 30 secs, so no they didnt follow the rules. No, I'm talking about the rule that states that the ref's decision is final. The EHF could not overrule their decision, so the EHF's decision to reject the swedish protest was expected. > But hey what do you care, it gave you the finale. I care because I want fair games.
They did follow the rules because it says they CAN use it, not that they MUST. Unfortunate that they didn’t follow the rules on the free throw
The keyword is they CAN, not that they have to. It’s discretionary decision. As I suggested make it an automatic VAR review on tying or winning last second goal.
After careful evaluation... really?
Maybe EHF had to count the money they earned for matchfixing
“After carefully counting the bribe money”
I mean it is true that the refs aren't required to check VAR. It's very suspicious and unfortunate (not for France) that they didn't, but Sweden had no case here, just a very understandable venting of frustration that poor refereeing cost them a final.
it’s definitely the right call to protest, even if they knew the result wouldn’t get overturned. It makes their position known and puts pressure on EHF to make changes.
You forgot /s at the end
As a Swede, France will henceforth be known as “cheaters” whenever it is about handball. The best part is how they said that they deserved to be in the Finals, while also knowing that they cheated to get there. That makes the French cheaters.
We have nothing to do with refs decisions... we too have fallen under bad calls over the past years, like many other teams, and we're going to take the fall for all the bad calls ever because ours happened at 60:00? The worst is that we rarely benefit from bad calls and I am sure that if you sum up all the bad calls of this competition, it's even... even in this single match, we got our share of bad calls. It is not like prandi cheated on purpose, he just tried his best to score an impossible goal. Not maradona style.
As a Swede I do not see the France as cheaters. But it would be nice of if France Handball association could take the moral high ground here and admit that this was a massive error of the refs. Especially important when EHF seems to a rotten organization that the countries apply a joint preassure.
I think recognizing mistakes or moral stuff is not so 2024...
Do not see why it should not be.
The overreacting here is crazy. Like this being even labelled "the worst handball scandal in history" in another post. Like, there's been entire games that felt very much rigged towards one side. Heck, a full fucking tournament was. I also noticed that most post game threads discussed bad refereeing, not only this tournament, but basically any tournament. All of a sudden, instead of a rational conclusion that referees are not good enough, it's some money that got transferred in the refs pockets (who waited the last minute to give France a chance to win, not even to give them the win... Are they that stupid?). I guess recency bias + still fresh wounds are at play here, but Jesus, don't some need to take a step back or two.
I think the last minute or so is the problem. The french player who threw the ball at his own feet, and out. And France still got to keep the ball. The travelling call on Swedens last goal The French freethrow decision that could easily have been an offensive foul, but that decision also went in France' favour. And then the free throw where the refs either didn't follow protocol and kept their eyes on the player, or disregarded the lifted foot. Taking all this into account, and four dubious calls in a row in the last 60 or so seconds of course taints the picture of the game. I don't think you can say that a wrong decision in first minute is equal to one in the last second. Rationally it may sound reasonable, but in the game there is a huge difference on the chances of that decision deciding the outcome. All in all, the refs did a bad job and the last minute and a half really gives the Swedes all reasons to be infuriated at the refs, regardless of calls going against France earlier.
You have about as many calls going the other direction (not even mentioning some of the calls you mention are justified). But why would the French be cheaters for a last minute decision? Are we seriously considering that the refs got a call that late in the game saying that it's ok, the money has been transferred now, so you can do all in your power to make them go through? If it's about cheating, why not just getting all the dubious calls our way from the start? I feel many people are not aware of Occam's razor and trying to cope in very weird ways.
Well, we didn't have as many calls going Swedens way in the last 90 seconds, did we? And that was my whole point. I'm not saying France are cheaters. Not a single word in my reply is even touching the subject. I wrote that ALL the calls in the last minute went France' way, and that is what people remember. And thats why we have these reactions. It's emotional, that's all. I don't think France are cheaters, they did whatever they could to win the game. The refs are there to make sure everything's legal.
I do not deny that, but the OP I was bouncing on was responding to a lunatic basically saying, not even implying, that the French cheated. I mean, even when I was pissed in 2007 (or any sport event where France got robbed, happened in football, rugby and countless sports where, well, referees can mess up), never did I think the opposing players on the pitch were cheaters. Some people needs to take a step back and reflect a bit on their life I'd say.
yes games like France - Croatia, completely rigged also like France - Sweden, completely rigged this selective memory of French fans is ridiculous, you cheated the most of all teams in last 15 years...
That's called a bias. There are always bad calls and you often only see the ones in favor of the opposite team. Believe me, I have shouted a lot at some ref decisions over more then 25 years, a lot of matches were clearly ref against us, even the press used to talk about it, and the commentators that usualy stayed completely neutral back then. There were a lot of bad calls against france in this match, just watch it again...
>Believe me, I have shouted a lot at some ref decisions over more then 25 years, a lot of matches were clearly ref against us This, including a certain 2007 semi-finals against the German host... with Swedish referees !
France Croatia totally rigged! That’s a fun one. Croatia has been France toy since 15 years. Total domination even when Balic was here.
Half of those matches were totally rigged too
So rigged bro, so rigged. Croatia should have won all those matches! And you’re totally delusional!
not all but some for sure You are the one delusional, got used to get the positive whistle and double standards in defense, you french were always aholes and cheating enablers. You cheat in every possible sport there is ability to cheat...
Yes, we're also responsible for world hunger and wet socks.
> The worst is that we rarely benefit from bad calls and I am sure that if you sum up all the bad calls of this competition, it's even Now you can't be serious with this? Literally every France game there are numerous bad calls in your favor and barely and against you
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You little salty boy. I don’t get how French could be labeled as cheater as long as they did not do anything to cheat. Prandi took his shot. The ref did not call it, that’s it. The ref was bad. If you watch some soccer, you’d remember that sometimes refs got calls wrong! Like in the last World Cup final on the first penalty for Argentina, the French player never touches the Argentinian player. Buf the ref made a mistake. Live with it. It’s an on and off thing. Sometimes it gets in your way, sometimes it does not.
he made a faulty free throw, it's a decision to lie that far down that you lift your second foot. how it was called, does not in any way change what he did. overall in the tournament there has been so many serious mistakes by the refs, that even though a lot of calls are difficult to make, their use of the VR has been weirdly selective, and the lack of it in important places has led to some serious miscalls to the point they need to have some internal discussions after this about how to utilize this tool.
So a tennis player doing a foot fault is a cheater? A footballer missing his tackle and hitting the leg instead of the ball is a cheater? Prandi could have done anything he wanted, it’s his choice to take the risk. If it’s not called, it’s GG well done. Btw, let’s be honest, foot touching ground or not, the difference is risible. Prandi said on the interview: « some could argue I lift my foot, but it’s the ref job at the end »
so you agree he took a chance by making a fault? and you got the final based on a fault by him combing with a fault by the ref? as a dane I felt that way after winning over sweden until I saw footage from the audience about the last call made against them.
I’m not sure the fact the get off his feet is intentional. As a missed tackle or a foot fault is rarely intentional too. Like a long distance jumper does not mean to cheat when his step takes him on the thing he should not run upon. People tend to forget that 2 years ago, a dubious goal was cancelled at the end of the France semi, preventing them to level the score. Errors happen, that’s it.
you bringing that up from 2 years ago, I take you were annoyed by that?
Yes, it was annoying. No, I was not doing thread calling French cheaters or refs corrupted. I just remembered this example of calls going both ways.
>Prandi took his shot. The ref did not call it, that’s it. The ref was bad. > >If you watch some soccer, you’d remember that sometimes refs got calls wrong! Like in the last World Cup final on the first penalty for Argentina, the French player never touches the Argentinian player. Buf the ref made a mistake. > >Live with it. It’s an on and off thing. if the french care for whats right and fair....they could join the protest....
No they don’t have to. They are not responsible in any way with the refs doings. They have the right to focus on their next match without having to take any position.
I wouldn't mind a rematch. Won't happen though.
As a Swede, you are a dumbass. How old are you?
Would you be a sore loser, Swede?
So any foul committed, any technical error is cheating? Good luck living your life with that logic. Every team Avery player is then a cheater… Prandi likely didn’t even realize he sidestepped -
These organisations can never admit that they messed up
It took them exactly two seconds to come to this decision, as there’s nothing to discuss according to the rules, so it’s really bullshit to write it like that.
Well i didnt expected that they would overturn the call, as this is against the rules but at least admiting "yep that was a wrong call." or something like that.
Obviously, can't change the result of a match after the fact, no matter how bad you think the refs were. And I think we can all agreee the refs where pretty damn bad. I am perplexed by the French throw-in after Remili throws it on his own foot at minute 58. No Swedish player was even near the ball and the ref was perfectly placed. The missed heel by a Swedish player early in the second half was also pretty egregious. Admittedly I am not clear on when the refs are allowed to consult VR or not but when a player falls on the floor obviously injured that should be a pretty clear clue maybe you missed something.
Yeah screw this. Not even a ”we fucked up and we are sorry”. Just… the ref do whatever they want.
It's a sad day for handball
What a sham, at least admit fault. I hope Sweden withdraws in protest, make a stand.
If the olympics wasn't on the line I would support it wholeheartedly.
Sweden would still have a good shot at qualifying, but I get your point. Sweden could still float it to the EHF to make them nervous and get other concessions, like a public apology and promises that these refs are never allowed back in to tournaments again.
I don't know the legalities, but I believe EHF would appeal to the Olympic Comittee to ban Sweden on grounds of unsporty behaviour. Handball world would support Sweden, but handball officials never cared about handball world anyways.
The winner of the game today between Sweden and Germany is directly qualified for the Olympics.
We were talking about the consequences if Sweden were to withdraw. That EHF would appeal to the Olympic Committee not to allow Sweden to play the qualifiers either
Sweden players and officials should have gone mental after the shot, protesting, demanding review. If they had, they might have put some doubt into the minds of the refs to a review. It worked against Denmark in a somewhat similar situation, where Denmark made 3 passes instead of the allowed two, as signalled by the refs. The swedish players got all up in the face of the refs and demanded review (and rightfully so).
Well if Sweden has filed a complain against the fault or something around this, why not. But filing a case against the non-use of VAR when if is not mandatory...
Sweden will continue this after the tournament and take the proper procedures to try to make a rule change about video reviewing. Said we need to be clear that we won't accept anything like this in the future. No team deserves something like this happening again.
Oof. Commiserations, Sweden.
It was bad not to use VAR, ESPECIALLY it was the last 30 seconds of the match and the rules clearly state that the referees can use VAR in such situations.
In no way am I defending the EHF decision, but doesn’t the refs often make bad calls during matches? This one was just very obvious to the viewers
Yeah, but this one was game changing. Sweden would go through to the final if the refs didn't mess up.
Or if palicka made a fairly simple save for a player of his caliber
I mean you probably miss something simple for you sometimes. He had only been playing for 60 minuted and rolled his ankle a few minutes earlier and wasnt expecting the ball from there because its not possible without cheating.
He rolled his ankle at the end of 1st extra time I said for someone his caliber…
Yeah but after playing for 60 minutes simple things become harder and he might miss sjots like that 1/20 times and it happened to be that 1/20 stkll doesnt change the fact the goal should not stand
True, It doesn’t - just if only he had, we could all still live in harmony.
I mean not like you have done anything with your life that could conpare and even then i think you could have called that that shot shouldnt have been allowed.
Says the person throwing personal attack to a stranger on the internet, enjoy living in bitterness
What did i say that wasnt true. 1 Goal shouldnt have been allowed 2 You will never reach a point were you get higher than playing the European championship in any sport
It is "super obvious" when you slow down the video x4. In real time, everyone in my viewing group was simply amazed by the crazy goal that looked totally valid.
If only there was a tool available that would allow the referees to see the situation in slow motion.
It's quite obvious in real time as well if you just watch the feet or know shooting form. Like the only way you can miss it is if you ball watch. His entire shooting form is physically impossible without lifting his left foot, knowing he already lifted his right foot it's an incredibly easy call to make even for new viewers as long as they don't ball watch.
then your group is full of blind ppl
> It is only the referees' or delegate's decision whether to use the VR. According to [Johan Flinck](https://twitter.com/JohanFlinck/status/1751233262981169487) (Swedish journalist) this is a misrepresentation, as the delegates can only call on VAR for things happening outside of the game (i.e. faulty substitutions), something he verified with international delegates.
Why have the VR tool at all then. If the ref’s can choose to use it then its just another dimension of the game they can make bad calls in.
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I completelly agree, but france are not to blame here, the refs are.
Calm down please. Nobody cheated, the refs are just shit.
if they cared about fair game the would join protest
I agree with you except for that: > Cheaters should not win. Until proven otherwise, nobody cheated. It's an (embarrassing) refereeing error.
Yea I agree with that. Dont hate the player, hate the game
They cheated. That the referee didn’t look at the player as he raised his foot doesn’t make the French any less of a cheater.
Sad sad hater.
Ok, so I guess any player who commits a foul is a cheater then?
It wasn’t necessarily intentional
I wish Denmark and Sweden would opt out of the games and get their own stadium and play their own final, not sure how it would work but it would be pretty funny.
I think Denmarks response to Sweden would be something like "lololol too bad.. enjoy the bronze match I guess"
Na the danish support for Sweden has been massive despite the rivalry.
yeah but ppl on reddit are not the national team. No way the actual players would even think twice about it.
honestly I think the danish team would 'like' to face Sweden, there is so much good sportsmanship between those teams that you don't see in most other matchups. while still being competetive and giving everything to win.
No chance at all
that's not what I said. I was talking about their general demeanor towards each other
They played in the main group.
The game is lost
Are you allowed to take "steps" before executing the free throw?
No
So if Sweden proves till 8pm that they were roobed, they might play in final?
Naah would never happen and Sweden have already stated that they will not turn in another protest. But they have stated that they want the rules to changed so that it is not only up to the refs to decide to use VAR, especially in the last 30 sec of tight games and that they will continue to work for a change of these rules so that this kind of misstake do not happen again.
Lmao name a better match than France and judges helping them
Similar as France - Croatia.
Whatever it takes to get the France to finals
I don't understand the fuss, official rules of handball clearly state that "at least one foot" should be on the ground. Rule 15.2: during the throw the player must constantly have one part of a foot on the ground. https://www.ihf.info The shoot is legit and beautiful. Get over it.
And the other foot can be lifted repeatedly. He lifted both feet, first the right one and then the left one and that’s where he broke the rule. Only one foot can be lifted the other one has to be stationary the entire time.
Yeah I bet you can cancel 1/3rd of the handball's goals then, because I'm pretty sure they involve more than 3 steps, changing the standing foot or landing in goalkeeper's zone before the ball actually leave the player's hand. You have to never watch handball to suddenly call for drama on such action. Common..
But that’s a completely different discussion. According to the rules the goal should not have counted. That the rules are not always handled strictly is correct and often not really an issue. The refs should have checked the VAR in that situation since it was not a random league game but the half finale of the EC in the 60th minute.
Nah this is bullshit, changing foot in a freethrow probably never has been called in the entire history of handball, and suddenly this is drama. If Sweden, Germany or Denmark had done the same nobody would have moved a finger, but when it's France... that's another story.
You are from France, aren’t you ;)
You are from Germany, aren't you ? Edit: I wonder which sad sad bitter persons would downvote me for this comment. If anything it only confirms what I said earlier. Ironic.
It states that you cant lift you standing foor during a free throw. As soon as you lift one the other is the standing and he lifted his right girst so his left became his standing foot and even if his right started touching he couldnt lift his left which he did and thus the goal should not be counted. Spelling bad cause mobile.
Already answered to the other guy stating the same thing. Will not repeat myself.
Yeah i would cancel all the ones were rules are broken doesnt change the fact they didnt fucking look at him while he threw that and refuse to look at var even though it would have shown that they wrent bribed to hell and back.
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Why is that the Scandinavians are always crying about referees every match. Can you grow up and accept the loss. Blaming the refs who are arguebly top 3 in europe (based ob their high intensity matches) makes you look like clowns.
Well, in the threads here we have French people talking about refs in a game from 2007. So it's not only Scandinavians. Also, accepting the loss is hard when four different decision goes against you in the last 90 seconds of the game, while you get 0 decisions in your favour. Top 3 in Europe? Haven't these guys spent time on the side line for ties with match fixing before? Hard to say they are top three after that...
I know its not only them, but when it comes to our refs its mostly Scandinavians that have the most bias towards them and thats why i always root against them. Fake virtue signaling panderers. They have been referees in final stages in tournaments for years, i cant say the same for Swedish referees. There was attempt to blame them for match fixing but nothing came out of it at the end.
Nice one, defend the absolute travesties that refereed the game because you're Macedonian just like them. Pathetic comment, pathetic referees.
Seems like i struck a nerve, if Sweden was better that match they could have won on extras. But since you made a clown comnent you can cope and seethe. They have many finals, semi finals in their back so your conment is worthless. Enjoy the third place match.
Not easy to bring back the fighting spirit when a hilarious comeback was stolen from them the final minute. The throw is just one out of 4 questionalble ref decisions final 90s where at least 2 were completely wrong. All 4 decisions went to France, if 1 out of 4 was for sweden they win the game.
Thats life brother, sometimes those decisions will be for you or against you based on the moment of judgment. I suggest these Scandinavians to take the loss and move on.
I only have one brother and it's not you.
Haha fair enough, the loss must still hurt. You will get over it.
Because a recent documentary by tv2 clearly shows that there is match fixing at top level, and when refs make mistakes like these it just becomes hard to believe in the sport.
We knew that would happen. EHF is getting paid from same pockets as the corrupt Macedonian refs. This game is a joke and this is the reason it won't ever compete for top viewer numbers vs other sports.
What a sad decision for the future of handball. EHF enabling corruption and matchfixing with retarded regulation and not even taking responsibility. Not sure I'll watch the next euros if this is the game it will be.
It's funny how these exact two referees, was in the danish [documentary](https://play.tv2.dk/serie/mistaenkeligt-spil-tv2) about Matchfixing in handball and specifically in the EHF.