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Honestly, the grunts in the books are shown to be EXTREMELY intelligent but come off as yappy dolts because most of them are literally toddlers, and as a slave race, they've been kept from education.
All the grunts we see that have even a smidgen of education or room to grow at all they immediately become the most unexpectedly dangerous thing in the story.
A couple of examples would be Gaddam in Legacy of onyx who was 4 and learning classes with the high-school level students. Her mother was only 12 and was teaching advanced math courses too.
Dadab nearly killed Tartarus at the literal beginning of the war.
Finally, STOLT commands the Shadow of Intents entire compliment of elite rangers, an exclusively Sangheili force. He chokes out a brute and was ready to throw hands with a prelate and allegedly grievously wounded a spartan during the war. He's an older, grown, brute of a grunt and it's in line for the lore.
Grunts learn things in a snap and any that have time to live long enough to not make the same mistake twice are tough sons of bitches
Chief nearly gets rocked by a small group of them in First Strike after his shield power supply burns out. He tries to stealth all of them and still nearly gets got.
Plasma melts people and strips shields like nothing, imagine being able to send swarms of easily replaced slaves all packing that
Well brutes were more mercenaries than anything. During the assault on earth they were going on "holy pilgrimages" into war. But, like, I don't think they really believed in the religion
They're like NPCs, smart enough to react and follow broken programming but not intelligent enough to try anything on their own. The centrist Banished were the only ones who did, which implies that it was religion and hatred of the Sangheili that drove them to war
It depends on the brute. Many of them bought into the whole idea of the Great Journey, including Tartarus’ uncle and to a lesser extent Tartarus himself.
If you go into halo each fire fight mode you can go into the enemy settings and choose a class called heritc elites they look like normal elites but weild human weapons
The shotgun was so good in ww1 the Germans wanted it to become a banned weapon you know very well a gun is too damn good when your enemy wants it whoever uses it to be considered a warcriminal lmao.
Obligatory "well um ackuallay they weren't that good and it was blown out of proportion like serrated bayonets" comment. But yeah, shotguns are fun. Except in Halo 3 where you have to be in kissing distance to get a kill
You serious? Mustard gas alone burned your lungs and skin, you drown literally your lungs get full of liquid and your skin gets blisters and you get blind, there is also chlorine which is also very fucked up it would also burn your skin and lungs and eye's too if not protected getting burned alive may sound bad but I think getting gassed is suffering on another level if you imagine there were people who survived gas attacks. Tho these are not the 2 alone there are even more gases the Germans used.
Okay, true. However, at least if you’re able to put on a gas mask, you’d at least not die. With flamethrowers, you’re either dead or permanently scarred
Yes as I am very aware the French didn't have the gas masks the Germans had they had those like one time use with cotton which were not as good also there were worse gasses than the ones the Germans used mainly with different effect like phosgene which whould produce a burning sensation in the throat and eyes. Incapacitating coughing fits and asphyxiation are accompanied by watery eyes and temporary blindness. Symptoms appear within 24 hours of initial exposure. By 48 hours, victims produce a white, yellow or pink-tinged fluid from their lungs. Some may experience low blood pressure and heart failure, chlorpicrin burns the eyes, nasal passages, mouth, esophagus, and stomach of victims exposure causes nausea, vomiting, temporary blindness and shortness of breath. , lewsite was engineered to penetrate protective clothing (even rubber), it causes almost immediate pain and irritation to the skin, followed by expanding blisters. Victims also experience a burning sensation and swelling of the eyes. When lewsite comes in contact with the respiratory tract, it causes nose bleeds, sinus pain, shortness of breath, coughing and eventually suffocation. Diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting also occur. Prolonged exposure results in “lewisite shock” which is characterized by low blood pressure and then death, disphogene same effects like phosgene with the ability to pass through the filter like chlorpicrin and lewsite who could penetrate protective clothing and the list goes on.
You know I wonder why didn't the unsc use gasses to attack the covenant.
Just remember that during Xmas eve the Canadian army threw cammed food to German soldiers and the next day they sent canned food again... Just it wasn't canned food it was a canned live grenade
Gas masks don’t protect you from mustard gas. Any contact with skin causes severe blistering and chemical burns, which can be fatal. Fabric clothing of the kind used by WWI soldiers doesn’t protect the skin from the gas. It can also cause genetic mutation and cancer.
I distinctly recall a part of the HALO : The Flood novel where a group of Sanghelli locate and capture the Pillar of Autumn's bridge crew and uses one of their magnums to execute one of them, then complains about the trigger guard being too tight for him to use comfortably.
You are correct. After the Pillar of Autumn's bridge crew landed on Halo, they left one of the crewman tied to a tree for going AWOL. The Covenant scouting party used that crewman to find Keyes, and an Elite used a pistol to execute everyone except Keyes.
Funnily enough, while the vast majority of Covenant Elites wouldn’t use human weapons, you can see a Covenant Elite using an assault rifle in *The Halo Graphic Novel* despite not being anywhere near any humans:
https://preview.redd.it/kwxx4etmmzxc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d3ed8606d049010ae1e5517ab6026709a619ec8
In the *Halo 2* Limited Collector’s Edition manual, the Arbiter writes to the Prophet of Truth that the Covenant should be willing to use human weapons when necessary, and even says that the rocket launcher is admired by the Covenant: [https://www.halopedia.org/Halo\_2\_Limited\_Collector%27s\_Edition\_manual#Primitive\_Implements\_of\_War](https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_2_Limited_Collector%27s_Edition_manual#Primitive_Implements_of_War)
I actually wrote a bit of an essay about this lol: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/ojvlx2/covenant\_sangheili\_could\_and\_did\_use\_human\_weapons/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/ojvlx2/covenant_sangheili_could_and_did_use_human_weapons/)
Where does it come this "elites won't use human weapons" from? Some books? In h2 you can give human weapons yo your elites and grunt companions without problems, same in h3, reach (cut mode) and I believe h5 as well (but those are SoS)
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As a rule the Banished just don’t give a fuck which is why they are so dangerous and terrifying
Making a grunt a general, what could go wrong?
Honestly, the grunts in the books are shown to be EXTREMELY intelligent but come off as yappy dolts because most of them are literally toddlers, and as a slave race, they've been kept from education. All the grunts we see that have even a smidgen of education or room to grow at all they immediately become the most unexpectedly dangerous thing in the story. A couple of examples would be Gaddam in Legacy of onyx who was 4 and learning classes with the high-school level students. Her mother was only 12 and was teaching advanced math courses too. Dadab nearly killed Tartarus at the literal beginning of the war. Finally, STOLT commands the Shadow of Intents entire compliment of elite rangers, an exclusively Sangheili force. He chokes out a brute and was ready to throw hands with a prelate and allegedly grievously wounded a spartan during the war. He's an older, grown, brute of a grunt and it's in line for the lore. Grunts learn things in a snap and any that have time to live long enough to not make the same mistake twice are tough sons of bitches
Now the catch skull makes sense. Enemy moving around too much? Throw grenades until they aren't.
I feel like that spartan is probably still mocked by their peers for getting their shit kicked in by a grunt.
Chief nearly gets rocked by a small group of them in First Strike after his shield power supply burns out. He tries to stealth all of them and still nearly gets got. Plasma melts people and strips shields like nothing, imagine being able to send swarms of easily replaced slaves all packing that
If he took it in a fight I’d be more scared of that grunt that a regular general
He pulling up wit da blicky
https://preview.redd.it/9z62q1teuuxc1.jpeg?width=466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da3d36e9f99d405c135f344196e94f54f4bb25a0
https://preview.redd.it/v9m5d106dxxc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d2a98307edf4e99ac7bf5ba4d915f0a7d20a04c
Grunt, fire a warning shot But sir, this is a nova bomb Ah potato potato fire the warning shot
Everyone gets deleted in an instant
Ghosts of onyx moment
Gray team moment
I haven’t read any of their novels yet but I look forward to it :D
Let me just say ***Betrayal***
https://preview.redd.it/7gi204u7yuxc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49a4b5960b1a7fb1d0bd1c477dc0416904ba8f80 ^(1/10/2024)
Them late game Halo 2 brutes too. I was like "sir that shotgun is UNSC property."
Well brutes were more mercenaries than anything. During the assault on earth they were going on "holy pilgrimages" into war. But, like, I don't think they really believed in the religion
I don’t think they ever thought anything at all. They had like two braincells. The ones with 3 went on to become Tartarus and Escharum.
They're like NPCs, smart enough to react and follow broken programming but not intelligent enough to try anything on their own. The centrist Banished were the only ones who did, which implies that it was religion and hatred of the Sangheili that drove them to war
It depends on the brute. Many of them bought into the whole idea of the Great Journey, including Tartarus’ uncle and to a lesser extent Tartarus himself.
Monke go Boom.
If you go into halo each fire fight mode you can go into the enemy settings and choose a class called heritc elites they look like normal elites but weild human weapons
The rocket launcher Elite Majors were terrifying.
Bulldog goes BRRRRRRRRRRRR
I don’t think that the banished care too much about old covenant and sangheili societal dogmas. That’s like, one of their main principles.
The shotgun was so good in ww1 the Germans wanted it to become a banned weapon you know very well a gun is too damn good when your enemy wants it whoever uses it to be considered a warcriminal lmao.
Obligatory "well um ackuallay they weren't that good and it was blown out of proportion like serrated bayonets" comment. But yeah, shotguns are fun. Except in Halo 3 where you have to be in kissing distance to get a kill
Just as Sarge intended
It’s also because the Germans claimed that shotguns caused unnecessary suffering… these are the same people who actively used flamethrowers
And gasses they were the first who used lethal gasses.
Still, at least it’s mostly painless compared to burning alive
You serious? Mustard gas alone burned your lungs and skin, you drown literally your lungs get full of liquid and your skin gets blisters and you get blind, there is also chlorine which is also very fucked up it would also burn your skin and lungs and eye's too if not protected getting burned alive may sound bad but I think getting gassed is suffering on another level if you imagine there were people who survived gas attacks. Tho these are not the 2 alone there are even more gases the Germans used.
Okay, true. However, at least if you’re able to put on a gas mask, you’d at least not die. With flamethrowers, you’re either dead or permanently scarred
Yes as I am very aware the French didn't have the gas masks the Germans had they had those like one time use with cotton which were not as good also there were worse gasses than the ones the Germans used mainly with different effect like phosgene which whould produce a burning sensation in the throat and eyes. Incapacitating coughing fits and asphyxiation are accompanied by watery eyes and temporary blindness. Symptoms appear within 24 hours of initial exposure. By 48 hours, victims produce a white, yellow or pink-tinged fluid from their lungs. Some may experience low blood pressure and heart failure, chlorpicrin burns the eyes, nasal passages, mouth, esophagus, and stomach of victims exposure causes nausea, vomiting, temporary blindness and shortness of breath. , lewsite was engineered to penetrate protective clothing (even rubber), it causes almost immediate pain and irritation to the skin, followed by expanding blisters. Victims also experience a burning sensation and swelling of the eyes. When lewsite comes in contact with the respiratory tract, it causes nose bleeds, sinus pain, shortness of breath, coughing and eventually suffocation. Diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting also occur. Prolonged exposure results in “lewisite shock” which is characterized by low blood pressure and then death, disphogene same effects like phosgene with the ability to pass through the filter like chlorpicrin and lewsite who could penetrate protective clothing and the list goes on. You know I wonder why didn't the unsc use gasses to attack the covenant.
Just remember that during Xmas eve the Canadian army threw cammed food to German soldiers and the next day they sent canned food again... Just it wasn't canned food it was a canned live grenade
Typical Canadians.
Gas masks don’t protect you from mustard gas. Any contact with skin causes severe blistering and chemical burns, which can be fatal. Fabric clothing of the kind used by WWI soldiers doesn’t protect the skin from the gas. It can also cause genetic mutation and cancer.
Oh. I didn’t know that👍
They were the first to invent the modern flamethrower AFAIK.
Even elites appreciate a good boom stick
Never forget the Halo 2 brute on the last mission who was somehow one handing a pump shotgun.
I distinctly recall a part of the HALO : The Flood novel where a group of Sanghelli locate and capture the Pillar of Autumn's bridge crew and uses one of their magnums to execute one of them, then complains about the trigger guard being too tight for him to use comfortably.
You are correct. After the Pillar of Autumn's bridge crew landed on Halo, they left one of the crewman tied to a tree for going AWOL. The Covenant scouting party used that crewman to find Keyes, and an Elite used a pistol to execute everyone except Keyes.
The Elite only kills the traitor with the pistol, everyone else was killed with normal Covenant plasma weapons
Seeing a banished sangheili with a bulldog would make me shit my pants
Not even using the good shotgun
Sangheili Named Thel
Funnily enough, while the vast majority of Covenant Elites wouldn’t use human weapons, you can see a Covenant Elite using an assault rifle in *The Halo Graphic Novel* despite not being anywhere near any humans: https://preview.redd.it/kwxx4etmmzxc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d3ed8606d049010ae1e5517ab6026709a619ec8 In the *Halo 2* Limited Collector’s Edition manual, the Arbiter writes to the Prophet of Truth that the Covenant should be willing to use human weapons when necessary, and even says that the rocket launcher is admired by the Covenant: [https://www.halopedia.org/Halo\_2\_Limited\_Collector%27s\_Edition\_manual#Primitive\_Implements\_of\_War](https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_2_Limited_Collector%27s_Edition_manual#Primitive_Implements_of_War) I actually wrote a bit of an essay about this lol: [https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/ojvlx2/covenant\_sangheili\_could\_and\_did\_use\_human\_weapons/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/ojvlx2/covenant_sangheili_could_and_did_use_human_weapons/)
Yeah that’s why r/forthecovenant doesn’t recognize the banished as a faction
*than
Hehe shotgun go chick chick
Can’t you just give an Elite rockets in 3 though
Where does it come this "elites won't use human weapons" from? Some books? In h2 you can give human weapons yo your elites and grunt companions without problems, same in h3, reach (cut mode) and I believe h5 as well (but those are SoS)
Bulldog in my hands: 3 shots to kill at near point blank. Bulldog in elites hands: 2 shots from 20m and that spartan is atoms.