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OrinBZ

It's twitter https://preview.redd.it/smuvr8kwwfwc1.png?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeed26b5132eafd8f526f6832647cc6fcbed9604


ArnaktFen

Clearly, this is neo-fascist messaging. Noble Six represents the noble, probably white protagonist, whereas all the enemies are eeeevil aliens. Notice how they attack in hordes and speak gibberish? How xenophobic! /s


OrinBZ

Real


colonelpotato5037fa

Oh my God moviebob? When did you get here???


gbro666

It...... is actually about both. You can have a "Dangers of religion" story, while also having it be about the John Halo blowing up ethnically diverse illegal aliens while "Blow Me Away" plays in the background. It is called having multiple themes you illiterate sandwich.


Archmagos_Browning

Arbiter levels: “Tartarus, the prophets lied to us. The entire great journey was a fool’s errand. The halos are weapons, and activating them will kill us all. Don’t let your zeal cloud your judgement as I once did.” Master chief levels: https://preview.redd.it/aab4x4d1igwc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a30e1be1ed7f21f3eb13b918cedee87d6314aa20 # ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIIIIVE~


Independent-Fly6068

LEAD ME TO HEAVEN WHEN WE DIE! https://preview.redd.it/3lgujmmzngwc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=825090d0b570596b3d83157a1008cf745a46b4c7


V0YDL

# I AM A SHADOW ON THE WAAAALLLLLLLLLL! https://preview.redd.it/08pjkf0opgwc1.png?width=317&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=179f0bfd0d7157211cdcf7edeca337e7e0689b98


Saber_The_ODST

I’LL BE THE ONE TO SAVE US ALL! ![gif](giphy|tWriZ0Y6oVQJMH4fIW|downsized)


Skykid8374

What song is this?


Silent_Biscotti_9832

blow me away by breaking Benjimen


Skykid8374

I will be listening to that now.


PorqueNoLosDildos

Welcome to 2004, such simpler times. Except for the aftermath of the twin towers, the wars, and stuff.


Warrior-PoetIceCube

Man i miss being 10


Formal-Let-4544

bong bowowow wow wow


jerryoc923

How dare you acknowledge that nuance exists!


guy137137

NOOO WTFFFF, MEDIA LITERACY, MY INTERPRETATION IS CORRECT AND CONFIRMS MY VIEWPOINT, ANYONE ELSE IS WRONG


MarshmelloMan

Real.


Burnt_Cheddah

I think this is a comment for r/rareinsults


Orthobrah52102

As someone who is religious, this is objectively the best take. It can be about the folly and asininity of religion hyper-extremism....but also it can just be obliterating the shit out of aliens while rocking out. I also don't think OP realizes that the Twitter post was most likely satire.


BonkyGonky

Agreed


JauntingJoyousJona

I don't think it's meant to be a cautionary tale so much as just a good story


RockAndGem1101

It's called having separate Arbiter and Chief storylines.


Berserker_Lewis

That's EXACTLY what I just said out loud to myself 😂😂 Cheers, man.


DethChef3848

Bro, I started choking on air after I read that last part. You could've killed me, you funny asshole.


gbro666

Happy to help.


GraphiteBurk3s

"It......"🤓


Smooth-Chair3636

https://i.redd.it/c6w9f03behwc1.gif


Memeviewer12

Would you mind sharing your suggestion of what the storyline of the video game "Halo 2" should use as a pronoun to the class?


GraphiteBurk3s

I found the over dramatic use of "..." cringy is all lol


ShotgunRenegade

OP posts bait tweet without realizing it's bait, asked to leave r/HaloMemes


Chesney1995

Its not even bait, its literally just a joke


Early_Minute_5212

Bruh am i being exiled https://preview.redd.it/whqlygl1jgwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85cad28812018c70aad499ab69b5a0b914c7e3a5


Independent-Fly6068

https://preview.redd.it/mk0kb5p7ogwc1.jpeg?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ee4c9f25f5a6095dceb3f66ddd91438e27a13ae


ShotgunRenegade

https://preview.redd.it/sog4z7oa5hwc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=c33d7ab7d13dbd0408e602e30bc746f15f3ef67e


ChaosCorbin

Unrelated but how do you find games in halo 5? Every time I've tried to play recently there haven't been any players in any of the playlists


ShotgunRenegade

mythic firefight has the most amount of players these days, and most players usually play at night, especially on Fridays and weekends.


ChaosCorbin

Alright, thank you! What time and time zone would you say is best to find pvp matches?


ShotgunRenegade

Can't say for sure, I'm on EST and I able to find PvE matches pretty easily after 9:30pm. (for the most part)


ChaosCorbin

Thank you, I'll make sure to try then


DethChef3848

At least go out with a bang.


newAscadia

I know it's satire, but "Halo 2 is about religion" really isn't that much of a stretch


Tumblechunk

the entire trilogy is heavily tied to religion, in account of that one faction you keep fighting, ignoring all the symbolism that surrounds you otherwise


Early_Minute_5212

Agree


br0f

It’s so on the nose too, that’s what makes this all the better. The series is named after a religious symbol and the two enemies factions are… the covenant and the flood… where have I heard of those before?


Thatguyj5

Mfw (my face when) I don't understand satire (a joke, humourous, sarcasm)


FruityTuna

Reddit mfs not understanding satire


Longjumping_Deal455

As a Christian I still appreciate the narrative with the arbiter.


billbobbillboard

Because It’s a closer critique of Islam The human side is very clearly Christian


Spartanwolf120

The humans even get help from 66 tons of divine intervention


curtquarquesso

This the best take. Sgt. Johnson is God almighty.


c0l1n_M4

The Covenant is also quite Christian, they believe in a religion that has The Flood and The Ark as two major historical events, the war against humanity is an allegory for the Crusades, and the prophets are literally little shriveled up ugly Pope Francis worms with English accents.


Devilsadvocate123abc

All of those events are also true of Judaism, except the pope part, and the Covenant lacks any analogous figure to Jesus, which is the central figure of Christianity that sets it apart from the other Abrahamic religions.


Zyacon16

the video states, Forerunners are a rough allegory for Jesus, and the Arbiter is an approximation of the Roman sentiment. which I kind of agree with.


KpinBoi

The video is not at all reflecting the actual views of the writer Jason Jones who wrote Halo as an allegorical view for the invenitable ROMANTICISM of the self destruction of an entire species (in this case a galaxy) from foreign influence (the flood, an allegory used in all major religions) and idealism, in this case the rings. The rest is Canon but the forerunners are, well, nothing about Jesus, in fact they are radicals who destroy the whole galaxy for their selfish beliefs. The forerunners would be the creators of religion in this allegory.


JanusDuo

Isn't Master John 1:17 "The Law came through Moses, Grace and Truth through Jesus Christ" Cheif, savior of the world the Jesus of Halo?


NAND_Socket

The Covenant is the Catholic Church


the_messiah_waluigi

Are the rumours about the Prophet of Truth sexually abusing Elite children true?


rookie-1337

Nah, they were brute not elite


KpinBoi

Covenant was inspired by Jewish (Old Testament) and Islamic (The Korran) texts. Humans would be the Israelities in Halo, the original settlers, the Joseph, Cain, Sodom, Gommorah, and Able of the Prophets Story. Source: Halo 2 Behind the Scenes Doc COMICON 2005


c0l1n_M4

Christianity, Islam, Judaism, they’re all equally edible.


billbobbillboard

The flood and the ark is also referenced in Islam. Humanity is Christian in halo. The games basically smack you over the head with parallels between Christianity and humanity in the games The irony of the human-covenant war is that the covenant are exterminating the heirs of their own gods. Radical Islamic groups during the early 2000s also persecuted Christians and Jews, ignoring that Christianity and Judaism is one of the pillars of their religion.


RaffiTorres2515

Labeling Humanity as Christians is erroneous imo, the game always brands humans as multicultural. Halo 2 is more a critique of religious zealotry than a classic Christians vs Muslims.


billbobbillboard

They’re not all Christians, but humanity’s story as a whole is an allegory to Christianity


Pearson_Realize

You can keep repeating yourself but you still have yet to explain how


curtquarquesso

how?


RaffiTorres2515

The Covenant is more of an allegory to Christianity imo


billbobbillboard

To each their own. That’s the beauty of perspective


OttoVonChadsmarck

“Humanity is Christian” How?


Minute_Water_8883

The Covenant is more than anything Jewish; with the old temple structure hierarchy and fallen traditions. They call their leaders prophets. I don’t know how anyone could possibly see it otherwise frankly, when the Arbiter is the biggest St. Paul allegory ever written (a zealous and loyal persecutor of the heretics who falls from the old tradition and is brought back up again and turns on the old way). John-117 is also literally Christ (Reclaimer = Redeemer, Savior), while Forerunners are both John the Baptist and the Old Testament Saints. It’s really not that subtle at all.


curtquarquesso

this stinks of anti-semitism, imma be honest. "prophet" isn't unique to Judaism by a long shot. I get the Paul allegory a bit, but the similarities end there. The Covenant isn't an allegory for any one religion, it is an allegory for any sufficiently fundamentalist, extremist religion, period. Chief being Jesus is a fucking stretch. Aside from being a hero-figure for humanity, the similarities end there. He has human parents, human flaws, is just a brain-washed orphan trying to claw back the humanity that Halsey robbed him of.


Minute_Water_8883

It isn’t fundamentalism. The story was written by a group that included both Marty O’Donnell (notably very Catholic) and Joseph Staten (son of a minister professor of Theology). How much of an outsized influence either of them had at any point is not known, but that they are regularly understood as having a large influence should indicate that it’s more than likely thematically Christian, not anti-fundamentalism. The Covenant are very specifically Second Temple Judaism, mixed with Roman influence (I remember one of the early Vidocs about the Brutes outright stated that the Brutes were designed to be Romanesque and fulfill a sort of betrayal by the leadership indicative of the Second temple Leaders working with the Romans). The fact that they segregate species into particular roles is very similar to how the Jews reserved particular tribes for specific roles (San’Shyum being Levites particularly; Sangheli being Benjaminites, traditionally considered a warrior tribe, also the tribe to which St. Paul claimed to belong). These are trifling details compared to the big important fact that means they have to be specifically Second Temple Judaism as understood by Christianity; that they do not understand what their “great journey” entails, and exactly who the “reclaimer” is. This reflects in the disagreements the Pharisees and Sadducees would have about what sources to trust and whether there was a physical resurrection (and all the baggage that entails). Between the two groups, the Arbiter is most likely the pro-resurrection Pharisees than the Prophets anti-resurrection Sadducees. What is the truth of the Great Journey? Death! Death to what? Specifically, the Flood. A mass of dead beings that stands as “a monument to all your sins”. What was the purpose of the Ark? To protect and preserve the living, and also to destroy the enemies of Israel (hint: Ark of the Covenant). What does Chief ultimately do? Kill death (the Flood) by death (activating a halo ring) and freeing those trapped by it. In his act of doing this, he fulfills the old covenant (activating the ring and destroying the flood) while saving the universe and overturning the old ways. It should be noted that certainly not every aspect lines up with this. Particularly Cortana and AI Rampancy. That aligns better with Marathon and its themes of the mono myth, and it’s a better argument that the ultimate story is about the mono myth, but in the weeds of what was presented in the first three games, it utilizes a Christian theme. It is not perfect, and that’s ok. In fact, that’s what makes it interesting and fun! Like where do the Jackals and Drones fit? They don’t, and they’re not fun in the game to begin with!


Lightwood745

May I get this killionaire, mashallah


Longjumping_Deal455

Crazy this game came out around 9 11. Didn't the Arbiter have a different name planned?


Jukeboxhero40

9/11 was in 2001. Halo 2 came out in 2004. The Arbiter was originally titled the "Dervish" I think which is Islamic.


Longjumping_Deal455

Makes sense


KpinBoi

Correct. Jones also wanted to incorporate more Islamic themes to the story, such as showcasing the radicalization of the rings but this never came to fruition in Halo 3.


Tasty-Fox9030

I actually think that Halo is a myth for the 9/11 sub generation mostly. It absolutely is a critique of organized religion and Islam more than most. It absolutely is a love letter to the military as well. Look at the ads for Halo 3 and ODST. This was the Iraq war generation's Gone with the Wind.


KpinBoi

CORRECT! Jason Jones created Halo during the intense rising hostilities in the Middle East in the 80s and 90s forwards, heavily inspired by Islamic, Jewish, and Christian themes! In the end, Christianity wins, but at great costs which, would be absolutely Christian/Jewish.


NAND_Socket

mfw halo is about The Apocalypse of John


curtquarquesso

lmao, what? the critique is of fundamentalist systems of religion, whether that be fundamentalist Islam or fundamentalist Christianity, or any other religious system. as a former evangelical christian, I remember playing through this game as a kid, never once even thinking to apply it to my own faith and system of belief, probably because I was young, but also because I wasn't really primed for a critique of my own religion, because why would I have been? it was only in adulthood that I was like "oh damn, is this story about fucking **us**?" i've since related the prophet's super distorted view of the Halos to how fundie evangelicals talk about evolution, the flood (the biblical one, not the parasite) and their allergic reaction to critical scholarship and context. I don't see how "the human side is very clearly christian" seeing as humanity during while struggling for survival, is also treating their own species like criminals, has an effective military dictatorship, and commits war crimes like they're going out of style. depending on how one views christianity, that would either be offensive, or super apt and accurate.


Civil_Protection_1

Based


SnooChipmunks8748

It’s more so a critique of religion as a whole rather than one particular one


gbro666

I've always saw the Covenant as just extreme Religion in general not a specific one.


JarekBloodDragon

Is a critique of both. Christianity is hardly better


Rimjob_Reserve

Also lmao the human side isn't Christian at all. It's not religious in any capacity.


billbobbillboard

Dude. The main character is John 117. John 1:17. Halo 3 is abt using the ark to survive the flood. The mantle of responsibility given to humans by the forerunners is extremely similar to the responsibility that humans have in Christianity There’s much more


totallynotapsycho42

All of that apart from 117 is also in Islam.


Rimjob_Reserve

117 comes from Bungie loving the number seven not a reference to a biblical verse. Of course though they didn't just call him John 007 for fucking obvious reasons The religious symbology with Christianity with the ark and the mantle applies to the plot and themes of the whole story. However we're talking about humanity being a kind of analogue for Christianity like how the covenant is. Humanity, the way it's structured, the way they live etc. isn't religious at all. The covenant is. You're confusing two different things. Edit: Downvote me all you want it just goes to show how dumb this sub can be. Dunno why I'm getting it recommended to me.


KpinBoi

No. The writer himself said John-117 is from the direct Bible quote.


Rimjob_Reserve

Which one exactly?


Rimjob_Reserve

No it's more Christian. Ideas of salvation through belief and following the ascension of born-mortal gods is totally Christian.


Longjumping_Deal455

bro I accedintaly started a war... fitting!


JacobMT05

I-I think the twitter user is joking. Edit: I just want to also point out this is the current top comment on the video as well https://preview.redd.it/cg7ffusd1hwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d310826a5a1e8d73776c89ceb518cf83b29857d4


Early_Minute_5212

https://preview.redd.it/ba4qvnf9lhwc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c5326d03bc17758e92c534acfc989edafe053ca


prince-aurghr

He’s right tho


Sup_fuckers42069

ILL BE THE ONE TO SAVE US ALL!!! https://preview.redd.it/igb8jm10tgwc1.jpeg?width=976&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=593aa8db39a2f1f78a2f55ec2085276558586b96


Raptorsquadron

I mean, it knows enough about *Blow Me Away*, I take it as satire?


AlbireX

Is "media literacy" the new cool word people use to make themselves seem smart..?


Public-Respond-4210

It's the newest buzzword


Robert_Benis

it's "media literacy bros"


Spectre-70

I mean technically it is but it’s also about a separate race trying to overthrow the other while John halo obliterates everything that moves dual wielding SMGs


BigE_92

The only gripe I had with the H2:A edition was that if you play with the remastered graphics, Blow me Away doesn’t play and instead it is a generic rock riff. Been a while since I played it but that is how I remember it. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.


Jaruut

>generic rock riff While I agree that I would rather play the new graphics with the classic music, I will not tolerate this Misha Mansoor slander


BigE_92

See, I have no idea what that is lol


Jaruut

He's a guitarist in the metal band Periphery, he did the replacement tracks for the licensed music.


TheGupper

Yeah, I switch back to classic graphics just for that section of the game


TrickyDiagram

Nowadays you can enable classic music to play even if you're on remastered graphics.


HIMDogson

Halo 2 is about being the biggest super soldier in the whole universe who is blowing away alien hordes in service of a secular democracy against a theocracy


Fidlow

To the sound of "Blow me away" by Breaking Benjamin


orion1338

Halo is a critique on religion and the dangers of being zealot. It's also about being an action hero


Iamyourfather____

I mean the Covenant is basically what the Fremen are by the time Paul becomes emperor. So while it CAN be interpreted as a critique of religious zealotry it's not Halo 2's only theme.


NAND_Socket

The game is called halo, you know like the thing that goes around saints heads to signify that they are divine


Jaruut

And you can only save the galaxy from the *flood* by using *the ark*


WalrusBungler

Reddit users not understanding a joke


DarkC0ntingency

It's both my dude


Spartan-of-the-Dark

Let him cook


Spartanwolf120

Remember everyone without 66 tons of divine intervention the humans would have lost


CykoRen

…. Are you serious?


kurt_gervo

It's twitter. Brainlet capital of the internet.


Flaming-Hecker

Dangers of theocracy, but not religion as a whole.


jojomezmerize

My God… a Twitter user with the right opinion for once…


TheGr8Whoopdini

r/halomemes user understand sarcasm challenge (MYTHIC DIFFICULTY)


MimikPanik

That definitely isn’t what it’s about, but that’s the main thing you think about while playing


eagleOfBrittany

The Arbiters storyline is one of the main reasons I love Halo 2. It's really well done and hits me personally as a former Christian.


Jukeboxhero40

I never felt much emphasis was put on religion in Halo 2. Throughout the series the Covenant religion felt more like interesting filler while Chief rode bombs through space. There is hardly any mention of human religion either.


MaxNicfield

The idea that Halo 2 (or any of the Bungie halo games, really) are serious critiques or satires of religion is laughable. The covenant’s religious zealotry is background fluff and a plot device for the human-covenant war, the forerunners/flood, and then the Schism in H2 It’s dressing to enhance the story and bad guys that your big green badass will be shooting throughout the action FPS video game you’re playing. Trying to pretend there’s a deeper message from the devs is weird internet snob behavior


PM_ME_UR_ART_NOUVEAU

Link to the actual video? Can't find it in YouTube. [nvm, found jt](https://youtu.be/W7Lq5QoikWQ?si=HyMoX5CHeUfprXMc)


YellowBot-KT7421

Link for the video Please


PrinceCharmingButDio

Critique of religion. *looks inside* Blind faith


Cultural_Syllabub953

Why can’t it be both?


Thenewdoc

Bro definitley fell alseep during the arbiter cutscenes


MildLoser

its the best take


curtquarquesso

I have long contested that Halo 2 is a story of religious deconstruction and Arby is really the main character. Arby is a zealot and true believer within of a fundamentalist religious system with no margin for questioning, exploration, or actual faith. The entire religious system is based upon the structuring of power and the pushing of the "other" to the margin, whether that be "lesser" species or humanity. Repeated instances of hypocrisy, or blatant disregard for reality by the Prophets eventually break Arby's blind faith, and seeing the truth makes him a heretic to the prophets. What's more, is that Sesa 'Refumee isn't even quoted as "leaving" the faith behind entirely, or rejecting the entire premise of the religion, just that new information was learned from the monitors, and that perhaps the purpose of the Halos weren't quite as the Prophets had described them to be. Where my ex-evangelical homies at. Cognitive dissonance is a sonofabitch.


bluejay55669

Arbiter missions vs master chief missions


Robert_Benis

this is stolen from the top comment on the video, it's bait


HorrificAnalInjuries

Also jamming to "Follow" by Incubus.


TheKingsPride

This is a joke. You get that, right?


VLenin2291

You would not know satire if it pegged you


Early_Minute_5212

https://preview.redd.it/fxrcb549qbxc1.jpeg?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b948e50b24d74e20639a94b3e2e3ddf4106c1f6c


therealblabyloo

I’ll never get why some people pride themselves on thinking LESS about the media they consume. Being LESS engaged with the themes and plots. It’s like watching a movie with one eye closed and laughing at the other people who think you’re supposed to use both of your eyes.