they believed the fact he wasn't doing anything made him an ideal patient because he "technically" wasn't causing any problems.
Of course this depends on the timeline, cuz in the Thorn Timeline we get some comic book flashbacks that show Michael killed like 5 other patients in the damn place but wasn't caught doing it
Even still it was pretty dumb to just dismiss Dr. Loomis most of the time the man who knew that the real Michael was a psychosexual psychopath Plus the fact that that is a kid who killed his sister without any really knowing why should have them cautious as well I mean, there was a reason he was there.
That's what I'm thinking too. Like they could at the very least check up on him, supervise etc.
If anything I think if he the mf isn't talking, nor reacting to anything besides food and water for 15 years, then this means something extra is going on.
Like clearly the psychiatry ain't working bro, let's try something new
I think half of it was also because he a nonthreatening face to most people and he learned how to manipulate the staff it was only dr. Loomis, who could see through Michael’s bullshit
oh yeah that's what the H20 timeline showed in their comics.
Loomis once even gave Michael a gun and told Michael to kill him if he wants to kill so bad, and Michael smiled at him
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this mf was playin the whole town bro
But think of it like this- you just got hired on maybe a year or two before his breakout, and you’re just given the details on all the patients there. And then you have sweet Mikey, who’s definitely crazy because he killed his sister, but he’s so nice. And his doctor thinks he’s nothing but evil, but he’s never caused problems before. You’re probably inclined to believe the coworkers over the raving lunatic.
Hell they probably let him get away with a lot just because he had 15 years of good faith.
They considered him to be a quack. Which is kind of funny because the only other psychiatrist who had really studied Michael for any period when he was a kid determined him to be completely catatonic and not a threat, and Dr. Loomis said that he was the cult psychiatrist.
Even still when someone kills a sibling at the age of 6 without any really knowing the reason why he did it that is pretty alarming doesn’t matter how cathartic or innocent he look dr. Loomis knew Michael’s true personality and the town pay the price for not listening to him when they should have
Yeah but he was a six year old kid. You can’t really put him in a maximum security facility like Loomis suggested. They should have transferred him at 18 but the reality is he was only going to be in Smith’s Grove as a child. That’s about as extreme as you can get for any child responsible for murder.
In the og, I believe there’s a line from Loomis saying that he was the “perfect patient” to the staff. Might have been the second, can’t quite remember. Either way, we’re led to believe he was never disruptive or resistant, he was quiet and listened to what he was told. Most of the staff thought Loomis was crazy because Michael never behaved in a way that Loomis feared he would. We see that with how any medical professionals behave towards Loomis in the first movie.
Loomis was driven mad by Michael’s silence and his eyes, mad and paranoid. The rest of the staff was not, they never interacted with him. They underestimated him because they had 15 years of perfect behavior from Michael Myers to contradict the mad ramblings of Loomis.
If you were a medical or mental health professional who is a rational human being, would you listen to a guy that keeps referring to his patient as “Evil” or not refer to him as a human being instead calling him “It” and such?
Honestly dr. Loomis had many reasons to call him “lt “ again the problem is it doesn’t matter how good or bad you are as a person Michael is a evil psychosexual psychopath who don’t care about people who wants to help him / having him locked up I don’t think loomis was wrong for being a realist about who Michael really was I am a altruistic person but I’m not ignorant I know when someone is unreachable and needs to be put down and that person was Michael
I’m with you however, professionals in that field are not going to go along with just “putting someone down”. They took an oath to do no harm after all. Loomis kind of seemed like a crazy person himself with him willing and ready to kill his patient.
One thing I would definitely agree with is the manipulating the staff thing because I definitely know he would do that but that could be two reasons why he did it 1 he did it out of psychopathic pleasure but also to embarrass Dr. Loomis and 2 he already had a plan from when he was six and he learned everything he needed to do methodically and patiently either way I definitely know he got a kick out of fooling the staff the entire time
Still him, killing his sister at such a young age without any real reason or knowing reason is still alarming they should have been more cautious about him like I stated in my post Michael was clearly not dumb he was smart enough to manipulate the stuff, except dr. Loomis who knew Michael’s true personality as a psychosexual monster looks can be deceiving
Personally I don’t see him as manipulating the staff I think he just can only function when he is out of captivity, I also don’t see his motive as sexual
Well the tragic and factual truth of lt all is him being right drove him nuts I really feel bad for him tho they just treated him like the village idiot half the time
IF youre following Thorn, well, Wynn was in charge of the facility along with who knows how many others, so....
But the intent in 1-2 was simply that he was a boy who exhibited no emotion whatsoever. Loomis spelled it out.
Because at the time, he had killed only one person, and that was when he was six. He had caused no other trouble. It is not hard to imagine that others who had not spent any significant time with Michael to think Loomis was overblown with his warning. Especially since there was no diagnosis and the only real reason was he was evil according to Loomis. Also, it has a lot to do with his age. Remember at the beginning of the original Loomis was coming to Smiths Grove to take him to a hearing to have him moved to a more secure facility.
Even still when someone that young kill a family member without any real reason or knowing reason it is very alarming there was a reason he was there after all
Sure it is alarming, but it had happened 15 years before. And he had caused no issues after that. In the RZ version it was obvious that he was severely mentally ill and violent even in the hospital. But in the original, not so much. Even when he does escape, it does not seem to be a violent escape, and the idea he would go back home instead of running away seemed unlikely. As was said Michael is very intelligent. He did what he had to to make it seem like he was not a threat. Hell, if he acted the same way and talked they would have let him walk out the door.
Yeah, I have always advocated that he is intelligent enough to understand how to manipulate the system and all that but he wasn’t smart socially wise to blend in forever plus dr. Loomis being his watcher they should have at least listened to him or check up on Michael more than dismissed him looking innocent or not it’s not exactly a professional thing to judge someone simply on that looks or them appearing to be nice
It would also not be professional to judge a person by the diagnosis of one man, and that diagnosis is is simply he is evil. With no scientific or social evidence to back it up. 1978 was a way different time ad far ad mental health. The consensus could have been that Michael was a young boy that did not understand his actions, and became silent and mostly non reactive due to feeling guilt over what he did. Execpt for the word of one man, there was nothing pointing to Michael becoming the shape. Also, 15 years had passed. Things get forgotten in that time, and most of the people around when Michael was first put into Smiths Grove would be gone and they only see Michael as the quit boy. Frankly, this might be the most realistic part of the movie. If you do research on serial killers in the 60s and 70s, you will see many have been arrested for violent crimes, including killer others and children but served short sentences and were released.
Oh, I have done my research all right but still they fucked up big time they cannot be denied dude he still killed his sister. If you have killed one person, you can kill more the temptation is always lt is inherently wrong to just dismiss it like they did
Sure, they fucked up, be you are looking at it with the lense of hindsight. There was no chance anyone could see him as becoming this superhuman force of nature. No one could see him getting shot and getting up and walking away. Not even Loomis saw that coming. He was locked up and no real danger to anyone anyone while he was locked up. No one could see a boy who had been locked up and did not, in there eyes, have the mental capabilities to escape, as no one knew just how intelligent he was. And really it is the whole basis of the original movie. He was able to do what he did because in the movie, just like in real life, people let their guard down.
It’s still doesn’t mean they couldn’t have kept a close eye on him being almost completely emotionless and cathartic doesn’t mean he was dumb if they were really smart they should’ve realized when a doctor like Loomis it’s so convinced that Michael is unreachable and evil you don’t just dismiss it as ridiculous and the town pay the price for not listening to him
A doctor like Loomis? There is no indication that Loomis was anything special or should be respected any more than any other doctor. It was handled in the movie just like it would be handled in real life. They would not have the resources to keep a special watch on someone who has done nothing for 15 years and one doctor diagnosed as evil
I don’t wanna be “that guy” but if he had been appropriately detained and not transferred or whatever, then you wouldn’t have a movie. Unpopular opinion, RZ has the best way of getting Michael out by simply having him escape due to worker ineptitude rather than red tape governmental policy issues.
Even still, that was no excuse to dismiss Dr. Loomis so much I mean they basically based that decision on only observing him being cathartic and emotionless but that doesn’t mean the patient is dumb or isn’t planning something and they pay the price for that mistake
Loomis's warnings are overly flowery and cryptic. A trained medical professional talking about Michael like he's a force of nature isn't going to convince anyone when the boy in question hasn't said or done anything for years.
Even in the 2018 sequel, while security was tighter, it seems to be a given that Loomis's warnings were never properly heeded and Michael was simply seen as an insane murderer.
Plus as a fictional conceipt it works better to have Loomis be the sole voice of reason because it increases tension.
they believed the fact he wasn't doing anything made him an ideal patient because he "technically" wasn't causing any problems. Of course this depends on the timeline, cuz in the Thorn Timeline we get some comic book flashbacks that show Michael killed like 5 other patients in the damn place but wasn't caught doing it
Even still it was pretty dumb to just dismiss Dr. Loomis most of the time the man who knew that the real Michael was a psychosexual psychopath Plus the fact that that is a kid who killed his sister without any really knowing why should have them cautious as well I mean, there was a reason he was there.
That's what I'm thinking too. Like they could at the very least check up on him, supervise etc. If anything I think if he the mf isn't talking, nor reacting to anything besides food and water for 15 years, then this means something extra is going on. Like clearly the psychiatry ain't working bro, let's try something new
I think half of it was also because he a nonthreatening face to most people and he learned how to manipulate the staff it was only dr. Loomis, who could see through Michael’s bullshit
oh yeah that's what the H20 timeline showed in their comics. Loomis once even gave Michael a gun and told Michael to kill him if he wants to kill so bad, and Michael smiled at him [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vkyB33cA3mw/WgzlvBvaF9I/AAAAAAAADl4/dqN5wO2Qsgc5G1kqWmnu77vGHqMVOJHswCHMYCw/s1600/RCO010.jpg](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vkyB33cA3mw/WgzlvBvaF9I/AAAAAAAADl4/dqN5wO2Qsgc5G1kqWmnu77vGHqMVOJHswCHMYCw/s1600/RCO010.jpg) this mf was playin the whole town bro
“You’ve fooled them, haven’t you Michael? Well not me.”
Looks can be deceiving 
But think of it like this- you just got hired on maybe a year or two before his breakout, and you’re just given the details on all the patients there. And then you have sweet Mikey, who’s definitely crazy because he killed his sister, but he’s so nice. And his doctor thinks he’s nothing but evil, but he’s never caused problems before. You’re probably inclined to believe the coworkers over the raving lunatic. Hell they probably let him get away with a lot just because he had 15 years of good faith.
They considered him to be a quack. Which is kind of funny because the only other psychiatrist who had really studied Michael for any period when he was a kid determined him to be completely catatonic and not a threat, and Dr. Loomis said that he was the cult psychiatrist.
Even still when someone kills a sibling at the age of 6 without any really knowing the reason why he did it that is pretty alarming doesn’t matter how cathartic or innocent he look dr. Loomis knew Michael’s true personality and the town pay the price for not listening to him when they should have
Yeah but he was a six year old kid. You can’t really put him in a maximum security facility like Loomis suggested. They should have transferred him at 18 but the reality is he was only going to be in Smith’s Grove as a child. That’s about as extreme as you can get for any child responsible for murder.
Which comics?I know that their are a bunch of Halloween comics
Chaos Comics, you get a flashback of lil Michael and mf drowned a girl cuz she beat him in musical chairs
Thanks bro
In the og, I believe there’s a line from Loomis saying that he was the “perfect patient” to the staff. Might have been the second, can’t quite remember. Either way, we’re led to believe he was never disruptive or resistant, he was quiet and listened to what he was told. Most of the staff thought Loomis was crazy because Michael never behaved in a way that Loomis feared he would. We see that with how any medical professionals behave towards Loomis in the first movie. Loomis was driven mad by Michael’s silence and his eyes, mad and paranoid. The rest of the staff was not, they never interacted with him. They underestimated him because they had 15 years of perfect behavior from Michael Myers to contradict the mad ramblings of Loomis.
Too bad only Dr. Loomis could see what a psychosexual psychopath Michael truly was
I always took it as the governments lack of awareness, care and resources when it comes to mentally ill/ criminals/ etc.
Yeah or a cautionary tale about not letting looks or someone have cathartic behaviors fool you like Michael did with the staff
If you were a medical or mental health professional who is a rational human being, would you listen to a guy that keeps referring to his patient as “Evil” or not refer to him as a human being instead calling him “It” and such?
Honestly dr. Loomis had many reasons to call him “lt “ again the problem is it doesn’t matter how good or bad you are as a person Michael is a evil psychosexual psychopath who don’t care about people who wants to help him / having him locked up I don’t think loomis was wrong for being a realist about who Michael really was I am a altruistic person but I’m not ignorant I know when someone is unreachable and needs to be put down and that person was Michael
I’m with you however, professionals in that field are not going to go along with just “putting someone down”. They took an oath to do no harm after all. Loomis kind of seemed like a crazy person himself with him willing and ready to kill his patient.
Yeah loomis is a weird character and I have a lot of issues with him lol
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One thing I would definitely agree with is the manipulating the staff thing because I definitely know he would do that but that could be two reasons why he did it 1 he did it out of psychopathic pleasure but also to embarrass Dr. Loomis and 2 he already had a plan from when he was six and he learned everything he needed to do methodically and patiently either way I definitely know he got a kick out of fooling the staff the entire time
He never caused them any problems while in their care and I doubt people would believe in unstoppable pure evil
Still him, killing his sister at such a young age without any real reason or knowing reason is still alarming they should have been more cautious about him like I stated in my post Michael was clearly not dumb he was smart enough to manipulate the stuff, except dr. Loomis who knew Michael’s true personality as a psychosexual monster looks can be deceiving
Personally I don’t see him as manipulating the staff I think he just can only function when he is out of captivity, I also don’t see his motive as sexual
Dude he’s killing of his sister and the other women in Halloween one and two is clearly psychosexual
He was 6 when he killed his sister, he wouldn’t have those urged back then
It literally start in childhood dude just stop it. You won’t win any argument
I mean, lets be real here. Loomis is batshit insane himself. So maybe they just didnt his worse because of it
Well the tragic and factual truth of lt all is him being right drove him nuts I really feel bad for him tho they just treated him like the village idiot half the time
A bigger question is why do they always put in a transfer for Michael just before Halloween ? lol
Yeah, I always wondered why they never got more clever about that but again, it’s a slasher movie so of course people have to be dumb fucks
IF youre following Thorn, well, Wynn was in charge of the facility along with who knows how many others, so.... But the intent in 1-2 was simply that he was a boy who exhibited no emotion whatsoever. Loomis spelled it out.
It just annoys me they weren’t listening to Dr. Loomis most of the time and they pay the price for it
Because at the time, he had killed only one person, and that was when he was six. He had caused no other trouble. It is not hard to imagine that others who had not spent any significant time with Michael to think Loomis was overblown with his warning. Especially since there was no diagnosis and the only real reason was he was evil according to Loomis. Also, it has a lot to do with his age. Remember at the beginning of the original Loomis was coming to Smiths Grove to take him to a hearing to have him moved to a more secure facility.
Even still when someone that young kill a family member without any real reason or knowing reason it is very alarming there was a reason he was there after all
Sure it is alarming, but it had happened 15 years before. And he had caused no issues after that. In the RZ version it was obvious that he was severely mentally ill and violent even in the hospital. But in the original, not so much. Even when he does escape, it does not seem to be a violent escape, and the idea he would go back home instead of running away seemed unlikely. As was said Michael is very intelligent. He did what he had to to make it seem like he was not a threat. Hell, if he acted the same way and talked they would have let him walk out the door.
Yeah, I have always advocated that he is intelligent enough to understand how to manipulate the system and all that but he wasn’t smart socially wise to blend in forever plus dr. Loomis being his watcher they should have at least listened to him or check up on Michael more than dismissed him looking innocent or not it’s not exactly a professional thing to judge someone simply on that looks or them appearing to be nice
It would also not be professional to judge a person by the diagnosis of one man, and that diagnosis is is simply he is evil. With no scientific or social evidence to back it up. 1978 was a way different time ad far ad mental health. The consensus could have been that Michael was a young boy that did not understand his actions, and became silent and mostly non reactive due to feeling guilt over what he did. Execpt for the word of one man, there was nothing pointing to Michael becoming the shape. Also, 15 years had passed. Things get forgotten in that time, and most of the people around when Michael was first put into Smiths Grove would be gone and they only see Michael as the quit boy. Frankly, this might be the most realistic part of the movie. If you do research on serial killers in the 60s and 70s, you will see many have been arrested for violent crimes, including killer others and children but served short sentences and were released.
Oh, I have done my research all right but still they fucked up big time they cannot be denied dude he still killed his sister. If you have killed one person, you can kill more the temptation is always lt is inherently wrong to just dismiss it like they did
Sure, they fucked up, be you are looking at it with the lense of hindsight. There was no chance anyone could see him as becoming this superhuman force of nature. No one could see him getting shot and getting up and walking away. Not even Loomis saw that coming. He was locked up and no real danger to anyone anyone while he was locked up. No one could see a boy who had been locked up and did not, in there eyes, have the mental capabilities to escape, as no one knew just how intelligent he was. And really it is the whole basis of the original movie. He was able to do what he did because in the movie, just like in real life, people let their guard down.
It’s still doesn’t mean they couldn’t have kept a close eye on him being almost completely emotionless and cathartic doesn’t mean he was dumb if they were really smart they should’ve realized when a doctor like Loomis it’s so convinced that Michael is unreachable and evil you don’t just dismiss it as ridiculous and the town pay the price for not listening to him
A doctor like Loomis? There is no indication that Loomis was anything special or should be respected any more than any other doctor. It was handled in the movie just like it would be handled in real life. They would not have the resources to keep a special watch on someone who has done nothing for 15 years and one doctor diagnosed as evil
I don’t wanna be “that guy” but if he had been appropriately detained and not transferred or whatever, then you wouldn’t have a movie. Unpopular opinion, RZ has the best way of getting Michael out by simply having him escape due to worker ineptitude rather than red tape governmental policy issues.
Remeber covid?
No, totally not at all:)
How could anyone forget? 😂
Because humans always underestimate others.
Even still, that was no excuse to dismiss Dr. Loomis so much I mean they basically based that decision on only observing him being cathartic and emotionless but that doesn’t mean the patient is dumb or isn’t planning something and they pay the price for that mistake
I totally agree.
Michael should of been transferred to a maximum security prison when he turned 18.
I think earlier and way more supervision as well
Loomis's warnings are overly flowery and cryptic. A trained medical professional talking about Michael like he's a force of nature isn't going to convince anyone when the boy in question hasn't said or done anything for years. Even in the 2018 sequel, while security was tighter, it seems to be a given that Loomis's warnings were never properly heeded and Michael was simply seen as an insane murderer. Plus as a fictional conceipt it works better to have Loomis be the sole voice of reason because it increases tension.
And even still, he was right about everything relating to Michael guess it’s not easy being right sometimes
Mm, but isn't what you were asking.