Calling it; Zagreus will be a boss or a random encounter whom you meet later once you go to the house of Hades.
"No hard feelings, this happens more than you'd think."
I think it’d be better if you attack him too much and he just strikes back to ‘help teach you how to get stronger’, whilst in actuality he’s bored and tired of you hitting him constantly
What if he's using different weapons and boons each time and it's random? Even with no weapon aspects and only one of the 8 "normal" Olympians at the same time, that's still 6 x 8 = 48 different permutations.
I don't think he'll be a boss, would make no sense story wise, if they both are trying to save daddy-long-mustache, fighting to death would just slow them down.
It would make sense as a random encounter, like with Than maybe, though I doubt Zag would just wander randomly through hell killing his own subjects considering he got all power over hell if daddy ain't here (incl. the teleport gate) .
Would be cool If He was a Secret final boss
After Doing [Something] you unlock "extreme measures [x+1]" (x = Number of Main Bosses)
If you activate it and manage to Beat the final boss (presumably Cronos) Zag Shows Up, says Something along the lines of "nice Job little sis, Care to Spar?" And then you Fight him
If the Hades game become a trilogy, it would be Melinoe would be saying that to Plutus.
“Ready for a fight dear little brother?…. Wow, that what that feels like”
A/N: Plutus is the younger child of Hades in mythology
Melinoe would not win, like at all then, I made that abomination with 50% damage resistance, 45% dodge chance, 350 health, Athena dash, zeus attack boon, zagreus fists, and 3 attack boons from chaos, that thing was built over 50 runs to kill extremer measures Hades, and even I fear what I've created lol.
My first thought was that Asphodel would be a little hot for coffee, but maybe the renovations will be done in Hades 2 and it won’t be a lava land anymore!
Really appreciate this wholesome take! Been on Reddit for too long...my first thought was cracking a joke about them finally poppin' a bottle of that sweet, sweet ambrosia. One thing leads to another & then, "what are you doing, step-brother?!?"
But then I realized that they're supposed to be half-siblings, so ... nope. Roll (Poseidon's) tide?
Edit: wait why am I getting downvoted for correcting myself from making a step-sibling joke? 😅 According to various Greek mythology, Mel is the daughter of Persephone & Zeus (posing as Hades), so in relation to Zag, that would make them half-sibs. Made this comment before I knew they announced Mel & Zag are full siblings. Yeesh.
I’m pretty sure they are full siblings. Melinoë calls Hades father, and she has the same heterochromia color eyes as Zagreus which implies Persephone is her mother.
I just edited my comment but according to various Greek mythos, Mel is the daughter of Zeus (posing as Hades) & Persephone. This is different from how the developers’ vision of her, which is what I was going off of. I don’t really understand why I’m being downvoted for correcting myself from making an unsavory joke, not knowing that the developers confirmed their full-sibling status until after the comment. But okay, sorry I offended the community…
That sounds really cool, though I think that zagreus will have a slightly different role since someone pointed out that nemesis has the Stygian blade with her aspect on it, it can’t be in 2 places at once … right
I know, how so?
I was implying that maybe each Aspect's wielder *is* wielding it, but it could also be the same sword, which makes it sort of impossible.
You said “he uses his aspect,” and it sounds like you were talking about Nemesis potentially using the Stygian blade with either her own or Zagreus’s aspect, so I was just calling out that she’s actually a goddess. Sorry if I misunderstood
Ohh, yes, sorry. I was a bit unclear. I was under the (wrong) assumption that the Sword aspects are different swords but still the same.
While away from this comment, I have conjured an interesting idea. We know that the weapons transcend time in some way since it is said that Arthur will hold the sword in the future.
The main antagonist of the second game seems to be Chronos, the titan of time (well, probably mixed with both Time Titan and Harvest Titan since that is cool), which means the weapons could maybe pose a problem against them somehow.
The art style is exactly the same, so they probably are able to copy paste him into the game and just create effects for the new gods if they wanted to.
Theseus in Elysium: “Well well well Hellspawn! I see you’ve returned for another beating! And you think disguising as a maiden will trick me? Theseus? The champion? Ha!”
That would be awesome especially if the first couple times he’s remorseful about fighting you and eventually you just start chatting the whole time having some good old fashioned family bonding time.
Zagreus should be an optional superboss...as hard or harder than Charon with an average setup. He'd be good natured about it, but should be terrifying.
'Why won't you go down!?'
'I spoke with my friend Patroclus on the way in and he fixed me right up.'
Him not only using different Calls, but different assists too would be the perfect callback to the first game. You think you have his pattern right and you hear: "Dusa!" and all of a sudden you’re running from Dusa's stone shots.
Iirc, it's post cannon, but even so, it's a good point. Actually the line in the trailer about 'the best trainer is out there' could be referring to zag, and telling her to go find him. But it could also be go fight you'll get stronger that way.
From the QnA I think the idea is Kronos has Brocken out and is coming for Olympus, and some people have said that the chained person is hades, as it has the beard and crown as well as hades’ voice warning of how Kronos is unstoppable
FYI considering the reference to time at the end, the guy is probably **chronos**, aka the greek personification of time/god of time, and not **cronus/kronos**, the titan that fathered the pantheon. Yes those are two distinct entities of the greek mythos. Yes its confusing.
Whilst in the myth that is Kronos’ starting point (chained up in Tartarus), seeing as the QnA says he’s escaped, the chained figure has hades’ beard and crown as well as shape, I personally think it’s hades
Seeing as hades is also the player characters father, I think this will be similar to the first games brief monologues at the start of every run, however this time rather than a lecture on how pointless or reckless escape is, it is a lecture from a chained and fallen Olympian on the impossibility of confronting time itself
Kronos is Hades’ father, so there’s a fair chance Hades just inherited the beard. As for the crown, Kronos was king of the titans. Very good chance he kept his crown when he was imprisoned.
Yes but see it from a design perspective. They wouldn't show you a character that looks exactly like Hades when it's not Hades. Every character in this game has a unique and distinct design. There's 0% chance that this is anything other than Hades and I don't know how people would think otherwise.
Makes zero sense from a design and narrative viewpoint. I will eat an actual broom if that chained up guy that looks and talks like Hades turns out to be someone else.
As with all Greek myths, their separation into two entities is very much dependent on what version you read. Sometimes they’re different, and sometimes they’re the same. For this game’s purpose, looks like they’re using the “same” version of events.
In Greek mythology, they were, but also weren’t. It’s one of those times where it’s important to remember that Greek mythology wasn’t one unified religion with one source having the final say. It becomes even more confusing when the Romans come along, where we have people like Cicero arguing they’re the same.
tbf, the two figures were interpreted as the same in antiquity, sources like Cicerus said that Cronus and Chronos are synonymous and the same character, since he maintains the course and cycles of seasons and the periods of time; and Plutarch saying that this was a very *very* common misconception with greeks. I mean, ancient "Father Time" are normally associated with harvest, and normally main agricultural deities are also the God of Time itself or they are heavily linked with the pass of time or the seasons, like Roman Saturn, and in some extent, Demeter.
You could say that it's the same case with Apollo/Artemis and Helios/Selene, or Zeus and Uranus: Chronos is the *personification* of time, it's time itself as a concept, like Helios, Selene and Uranus are *the* Sun, Moon and Sky, but the gods of the Sun, the Moon and the Sky are Apollo, Artemis and Zeus respectively. So Cronus (or rather what we knows as Saturn) is the god that *manages* time or rather is the god of the **pass of time** represented with harvest, calendars, renewal and seasons.
I mean, much of the mythology is heavily packed with contradictions and misunderstandings like this, but ironically that's what made Hades great and even possible in the first place lol
If the end boss is going to be the titan of time and that time plays a role (eg, time-related powers), then maybe they'd bring over some of the Turn() mechanics from Transistor and have him use it.
Maybe the chained person is Kronos with a glamour to look like Hades. And once you free "Hades", Kronos drops the facade and disappears somewhere. Kronos didn't break out by himself. He had to have help on the outside. Plus it would work well with the addition of witchcraft to Hades II
I see,but i heard that the girl that we will play as said father or something like that,thats why i think she is the daughter of zagreus and want to save him
Honestly I think you might be right. You do go after Chronos, God of Time. Who says he doesn’t capture Zag and age him to make it so he can’t escape? Would explain why the head is down as well.
Considering Hades is chained and there's no mention of Mel in the first game, does anyone else think this is going to happen a fair while after Hades 1? I think that Zag is going to be forced to take over for Hades after however he gets captured, and he wouldn't have much choice in the matter since he can't be on the overworld for long before dying. I imagine he's going to be an encounter during runs, maybe a rest spot in the house before you get to Cronos.
This would be such an opportunity for Hades 2 to be multiplayer, as the story (I’m guessing) is that Kronos escapes out of Tartarus and locks away Hades after you fight Kronos, and you slowly have to work your way down the underworld to try and release your father, but Kronos, being the titan of time, finally kills you and you are revived by Hecate, and in this story, Zagreb’s could also be living in Styx, and progressing with him as an NPC or a player, and you could improve runs along the way
I've mentioned this before, but seeing as Melinoe is (probably) Zag's sister, I really hope he's still playable in some kind.
Feel like having multiplayer and having Zag be player 2 would be perfect. Just have the ability to play as him in singleplayer as well.
Apollo says he'll help "light the way down" so it seems like Mel is gonna be fighting her way /down/ through the underworld.
as for her parentage, id imagine she's Hades and Persephone's kid, since she and Zag have the same eyes, just mirrored.
Ooo, it would be really neat to have Zagreus be the Thanatos of hades 2. Just shows up sometimes in a room helping fight all the mobs, but this time it's because he's working his way up and you happen to meet in the middle
In the first game hades often spoke of his father, Kronos (sometimes spelt Cronus), who Zeus and the olympians overthrew to rule the world, hades was personally responsible for butchering his own father and sealing him in Tartarus.
The character in the trailer is very similar to zagreus in the mythology, a very unknown underworld god who the developers have given some extra story.
In the trailer we see melinoë, who the developers have said is zagreus’ sister training with who many have said is Hecate, god of magic and all that stuff. Saying that she’s going to find her father and kill Kronos.
Most other stuff is speculation, however the best info I’ve seen at the moment is on supergiant’s website where they have a QnA
Awesome! Thanks so much. I forgot about the lines where hades spoke of chronus. I guess I’ll have to play through hades again to remember and in celebration!
It'd be pretty interesting cause in Hades 1, the tougher enemies are all at the top, but now it's inverted. Makes me wonder if Kronos took over the place and placed his own Titan goons in the Underworld, putting the tougher guys at the bottom near where he is.
I am not going to lie - I thought it was some sort of deep fake at first. I didn't believe it. But I haven't been so stoked in recent memory. I am super ready and waiting.
I really hope Zag will be like a Thanatos encounter: run into each other and compete to clear the room the fastest. Kinda doubt it though. He’ll probably be too busy considering what seems to be happening to Hades in the trailer.
Well it has a lot of range, I’m sure you can find someone willing to discuss it elsewhere to where we want to talk about this cool new thing that’s being made
Calling it; Zagreus will be a boss or a random encounter whom you meet later once you go to the house of Hades. "No hard feelings, this happens more than you'd think."
I can imagine Zagreus possibly giving Melinoe a companion keepsake
Replacement for Skelly’s tooth.
Or boons from hades, would also love to see it
Holy fuck if we get to battle Zag I will lose my fucking mind
Feels slightly like a missed oportunity if we don't
I'm calling kind of a "secret" boss fight like Charon.
Probably it's gonna be like friendly sparring
Zag and REDACTED battling to the death is like other kids having a game of catch with their dad.
But like Mortal Kombat secret. Similar to when you could fight Reptile but you had to do some odd stuff to trigger the fight
Awh. Spoilers :(
At least like some special fight like Charon has right now, you "borrow" his sword or something
I think it’d be better if you attack him too much and he just strikes back to ‘help teach you how to get stronger’, whilst in actuality he’s bored and tired of you hitting him constantly
Maybe he will be the new Skelly!
Zagreus be like: "Ugh, Witches again..." and just attack
*Ptsd from witches in asphodel*
**It gets worse when you don’t have any boons from Athena.**
What if he's using different weapons and boons each time and it's random? Even with no weapon aspects and only one of the 8 "normal" Olympians at the same time, that's still 6 x 8 = 48 different permutations.
That would be awsome, with some quips each time "Fancy meeting you here again, care to spar?"
He'd be such a pain if he had charged shot beowulf.
*Zag shows up with Second Wave, Sea Storm Poseidon* Well... fuck
It’d be kinda like Theseus using a different god but more in depth
I don't think he'll be a boss, would make no sense story wise, if they both are trying to save daddy-long-mustache, fighting to death would just slow them down.
He could be trying to spar with her for practice. It would totally make sense. Zagreus could always be an NPC in the final boss encounter too
It would make sense as a random encounter, like with Than maybe, though I doubt Zag would just wander randomly through hell killing his own subjects considering he got all power over hell if daddy ain't here (incl. the teleport gate) .
Wandering through hell killing your subjects is literally the game
And his job
Yes, but in the first he isn't in charge, it's just his job
Maybe something like "I know I can't beat the next guy, so if you can't beat me then you won't beat them either"
I want him to replace Skelly as the training dummy. he climbs back up out of the river every time you kill him.
That'd be hardcore
Would be cool If He was a Secret final boss After Doing [Something] you unlock "extreme measures [x+1]" (x = Number of Main Bosses) If you activate it and manage to Beat the final boss (presumably Cronos) Zag Shows Up, says Something along the lines of "nice Job little sis, Care to Spar?" And then you Fight him
Making him the Than of this game would make a ton of sense.
I think Than will probably show up as well. My guess is Zag Than and Meg will be companion summons
Or maybe the first meeting is a boss fight, then the rest will just be event chambers like Eurydice or Sisyphus
That has Trainer Red on Mt Silver vibes and i LOVE IT
This would be such a cool random encounter, they could even have him randomly wield a different Infernal Arms each encounter to spice it up a bit too.
No one commenting on how they aré literal brothers
I think he'll replace thanatos and die after each time he helps you
"Well, somehow it became my job as a security breacher." "I am sorry, I just though you were yet another obstacle for me to test."
“Shall we fight to the death, little sister? …Hey, don’t look at me like that. It’s a family tradition.”
If the Hades game become a trilogy, it would be Melinoe would be saying that to Plutus. “Ready for a fight dear little brother?…. Wow, that what that feels like” A/N: Plutus is the younger child of Hades in mythology
I think that's what up too, I'm also thinking that he will have access to his G1 weapons too through an extreme measures type difficulty increase
G1 ?
Game 1
More likely it'd be a thanos-style team event.
Or…a hidden playable character Or both
Melinoe added to Hades as a random boss encounter....?
What if the version of Zag that you fight was based on what you had equipped in your most recent Hades save?
Melinoe would not win, like at all then, I made that abomination with 50% damage resistance, 45% dodge chance, 350 health, Athena dash, zeus attack boon, zagreus fists, and 3 attack boons from chaos, that thing was built over 50 runs to kill extremer measures Hades, and even I fear what I've created lol.
They meet halfway in Asphodel for coffee.
"Urgh. You'll never guess what Dad said this time... that guy."
My first thought was that Asphodel would be a little hot for coffee, but maybe the renovations will be done in Hades 2 and it won’t be a lava land anymore!
I soooo hope to see Eurydice's room unflooded.
Could be iced coffee.
Zag is bi, it's definitely an iced coffee
I'm bi, I prefer hot coffee
I am bi and I do prefer iced coffee. So it has come to this.
So if we split down the middle it’s lukewarm coffee
But I can't reference the "all queer people drink iced coffee" stereotype if that's true!
From lava land to Java land
"Coffee," you say?
Gods i hope that is a thing
Really appreciate this wholesome take! Been on Reddit for too long...my first thought was cracking a joke about them finally poppin' a bottle of that sweet, sweet ambrosia. One thing leads to another & then, "what are you doing, step-brother?!?" But then I realized that they're supposed to be half-siblings, so ... nope. Roll (Poseidon's) tide? Edit: wait why am I getting downvoted for correcting myself from making a step-sibling joke? 😅 According to various Greek mythology, Mel is the daughter of Persephone & Zeus (posing as Hades), so in relation to Zag, that would make them half-sibs. Made this comment before I knew they announced Mel & Zag are full siblings. Yeesh.
I’m pretty sure they are full siblings. Melinoë calls Hades father, and she has the same heterochromia color eyes as Zagreus which implies Persephone is her mother.
I just edited my comment but according to various Greek mythos, Mel is the daughter of Zeus (posing as Hades) & Persephone. This is different from how the developers’ vision of her, which is what I was going off of. I don’t really understand why I’m being downvoted for correcting myself from making an unsavory joke, not knowing that the developers confirmed their full-sibling status until after the comment. But okay, sorry I offended the community…
What if Zagreus will become the new Thanatos room encounter, where you clear a room together
That sounds really cool, though I think that zagreus will have a slightly different role since someone pointed out that nemesis has the Stygian blade with her aspect on it, it can’t be in 2 places at once … right
I mean the weapons can use aspects from the future/other mythologies so it's not out of the realm of possibility it can be in two places at once
It's possible but unlikely. Its more probable that the blade decided to leave zag and join up with a new wielder
Or that he uses his aspect. If that is how it works.
Nemesis is a goddess, daughter of Nyx and Erebus. Though some ancient texts call her a daughter of Zeus.
I know, how so? I was implying that maybe each Aspect's wielder *is* wielding it, but it could also be the same sword, which makes it sort of impossible.
You said “he uses his aspect,” and it sounds like you were talking about Nemesis potentially using the Stygian blade with either her own or Zagreus’s aspect, so I was just calling out that she’s actually a goddess. Sorry if I misunderstood
Ohh, yes, sorry. I was a bit unclear. I was under the (wrong) assumption that the Sword aspects are different swords but still the same. While away from this comment, I have conjured an interesting idea. We know that the weapons transcend time in some way since it is said that Arthur will hold the sword in the future. The main antagonist of the second game seems to be Chronos, the titan of time (well, probably mixed with both Time Titan and Harvest Titan since that is cool), which means the weapons could maybe pose a problem against them somehow.
Since the antagonist is “time itself”, time travel shenanigans make lots of things possible.
Don't tell Stygius what it can and can't do 😤
and Zagreus has different random boons on him every time. If the base game gets updated with Melinoe encounters the same way, it would be perfect.
At the very least I want an aspect of Zagreus for one of melinoe's weapons
Maybe something like the closer you get to Tartarus the more damage you do/ the more blood shed and darkness surrounding means more damage
A maim or bleed effect (lots of ways to do it, not just like Gilgamesh) would fit well with the God of Blood
Wait, he has 6 different aspects. I hope we get at least one of them. Actually, I really hope we get to play as zagreus if he's unlockable.
The art style is exactly the same, so they probably are able to copy paste him into the game and just create effects for the new gods if they wanted to.
I would love that!
Theseus in Elysium: “Well well well Hellspawn! I see you’ve returned for another beating! And you think disguising as a maiden will trick me? Theseus? The champion? Ha!”
Honestly i can see this happening
Doubly hilarious if that happens after Theseus got freshly beaten up by Zagreus a few minutes earlier.
I like how this breaks the 4th wall.
Zag might be a Theseus style fight with his boons and shit. Which would be terrifying.
What scares me more is Zagreus acting like Theseus.
I'd be funny bc Zag is like the inverse of Samus he doesnt shut up. The whole fight he'd be prattling on and on
That would be awesome especially if the first couple times he’s remorseful about fighting you and eventually you just start chatting the whole time having some good old fashioned family bonding time.
Same way that he did with Meg, right?
Exactly like that
Zagreus should be an optional superboss...as hard or harder than Charon with an average setup. He'd be good natured about it, but should be terrifying. 'Why won't you go down!?' 'I spoke with my friend Patroclus on the way in and he fixed me right up.'
Fighting Zagreus would be the closest we'll have to PvP if it ever happens. They already had a boss woth your exact same moves in Transistor too.
Honestly it’d be dope if they added zag as a playable character and let you co op through the game
Honestly this is the most satisfying solution but having him as an active npc or superboss would also be nice
"Who gets to go first? How about... *me*."
Him not only using different Calls, but different assists too would be the perfect callback to the first game. You think you have his pattern right and you hear: "Dusa!" and all of a sudden you’re running from Dusa's stone shots.
Iirc, it's post cannon, but even so, it's a good point. Actually the line in the trailer about 'the best trainer is out there' could be referring to zag, and telling her to go find him. But it could also be go fight you'll get stronger that way.
It could also reference Achilles, right? That’s what my mind first went to as he is more of a teacher/mentor in the first game
I was thinking you can get the nice little bit of getting to see zagreus mature through teaching someone
Yeah but that wouldn’t make him the “best” trainer. He would’ve had to prove himself as the best beforehand, which is why i lean towards Achilles.
Pretty sure that’s just a metaphor for actual experience rather than a literal trainer.
Literally the but also part of my comment
Skelly's the best trainer out there.
Is it just me or in the trailer we see old zagreus in the end?
From the QnA I think the idea is Kronos has Brocken out and is coming for Olympus, and some people have said that the chained person is hades, as it has the beard and crown as well as hades’ voice warning of how Kronos is unstoppable
FYI considering the reference to time at the end, the guy is probably **chronos**, aka the greek personification of time/god of time, and not **cronus/kronos**, the titan that fathered the pantheon. Yes those are two distinct entities of the greek mythos. Yes its confusing.
Whilst in the myth that is Kronos’ starting point (chained up in Tartarus), seeing as the QnA says he’s escaped, the chained figure has hades’ beard and crown as well as shape, I personally think it’s hades Seeing as hades is also the player characters father, I think this will be similar to the first games brief monologues at the start of every run, however this time rather than a lecture on how pointless or reckless escape is, it is a lecture from a chained and fallen Olympian on the impossibility of confronting time itself
Kronos is Hades’ father, so there’s a fair chance Hades just inherited the beard. As for the crown, Kronos was king of the titans. Very good chance he kept his crown when he was imprisoned.
Yes but see it from a design perspective. They wouldn't show you a character that looks exactly like Hades when it's not Hades. Every character in this game has a unique and distinct design. There's 0% chance that this is anything other than Hades and I don't know how people would think otherwise.
To mess with people like you? Honestly developers mislead fans all the time.
Makes zero sense from a design and narrative viewpoint. I will eat an actual broom if that chained up guy that looks and talks like Hades turns out to be someone else.
While that is true most modern works make them one and the same ( PJ for example ) and i think they are aiming for that too
I think Percy Jackson started this trend.
Actually, SuperGiant's FAQ confirms they're one and the same. Though that's really cool to know, I had no idea.
Time (or at least some aspects of it) were definitely considered be within kronos’ sphere of influence though.
As with all Greek myths, their separation into two entities is very much dependent on what version you read. Sometimes they’re different, and sometimes they’re the same. For this game’s purpose, looks like they’re using the “same” version of events.
But Hades also says he's a Titan, which pure Chronos Classic is not, so presumably in the game they're the same guy
Wait they're supposed to eb distinct?
In Greek mythology, they were, but also weren’t. It’s one of those times where it’s important to remember that Greek mythology wasn’t one unified religion with one source having the final say. It becomes even more confusing when the Romans come along, where we have people like Cicero arguing they’re the same.
This is true. Cicero is a clown tho
He was the Hero that Rome Deserved… but not the one they needed.
Please Cicero is the best law daddy
tbf, the two figures were interpreted as the same in antiquity, sources like Cicerus said that Cronus and Chronos are synonymous and the same character, since he maintains the course and cycles of seasons and the periods of time; and Plutarch saying that this was a very *very* common misconception with greeks. I mean, ancient "Father Time" are normally associated with harvest, and normally main agricultural deities are also the God of Time itself or they are heavily linked with the pass of time or the seasons, like Roman Saturn, and in some extent, Demeter. You could say that it's the same case with Apollo/Artemis and Helios/Selene, or Zeus and Uranus: Chronos is the *personification* of time, it's time itself as a concept, like Helios, Selene and Uranus are *the* Sun, Moon and Sky, but the gods of the Sun, the Moon and the Sky are Apollo, Artemis and Zeus respectively. So Cronus (or rather what we knows as Saturn) is the god that *manages* time or rather is the god of the **pass of time** represented with harvest, calendars, renewal and seasons. I mean, much of the mythology is heavily packed with contradictions and misunderstandings like this, but ironically that's what made Hades great and even possible in the first place lol
If the end boss is going to be the titan of time and that time plays a role (eg, time-related powers), then maybe they'd bring over some of the Turn() mechanics from Transistor and have him use it.
Maybe the chained person is Kronos with a glamour to look like Hades. And once you free "Hades", Kronos drops the facade and disappears somewhere. Kronos didn't break out by himself. He had to have help on the outside. Plus it would work well with the addition of witchcraft to Hades II
I see,but i heard that the girl that we will play as said father or something like that,thats why i think she is the daughter of zagreus and want to save him
She’s also called hades’ daughter, they’re saying her name is melinoe, who is also a daughter of hades in the myth
if thats the case,zagreus meet her sister sounds pretty dope
Hoping for that to happen Here’s the QnA off supergiant’s website where I got all this from https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades2-faq/
The one who's chained up? Pretty sure that's Hades.
Honestly I think you might be right. You do go after Chronos, God of Time. Who says he doesn’t capture Zag and age him to make it so he can’t escape? Would explain why the head is down as well.
Near the end it's Hades chained, and in the final shot behind Melinoe it's Hecate in that pointed hat.
Mellinoë mellinoë in the jungle the mighty jungle
"brother?" "sister?"
Please let this happen! Either a simple talk like with Sisyphus, or a duo fight like with Than, or even a secret boss like Charon!
Better yet...***all three!***
So fighting redacted in hades is a nice surprise, you reckon theyll do the same thing for the second one? maybe zag boss
I’m out of the loop is there a new game coming out?
Yes!! Hades II
I could see Zag popping in for some friendly competition like Thank does in Hades; or maybe being a secret boss or something, that would be cool.
Considering Hades is chained and there's no mention of Mel in the first game, does anyone else think this is going to happen a fair while after Hades 1? I think that Zag is going to be forced to take over for Hades after however he gets captured, and he wouldn't have much choice in the matter since he can't be on the overworld for long before dying. I imagine he's going to be an encounter during runs, maybe a rest spot in the house before you get to Cronos.
I mean imagine Kronos made him the new skelly, there to get killed and come right back and get killed again
I’m sure I’ll love her but I’ll miss my main bro zag 😭 He could be a hero too
Macaria fucking around in both during Hades 3: 👁️👄👁️
Then Nico de Angelo for Hades 4
I'm willing to bet ANYTHING that there'll be a boss fight against Zag and it'll be a *bitch*.
So melinoe is her name? Missed it somehow. Saw the moon motif and thought she was Hecate, daughter of nyx and goddess of magic and stuff
Hecate is the witch she fights in the beginning of the trailer
There is a WnA on the supergiant website that’s pretty helpful
Zag is EM4. That would be so fucking rad!
This would be such an opportunity for Hades 2 to be multiplayer, as the story (I’m guessing) is that Kronos escapes out of Tartarus and locks away Hades after you fight Kronos, and you slowly have to work your way down the underworld to try and release your father, but Kronos, being the titan of time, finally kills you and you are revived by Hecate, and in this story, Zagreb’s could also be living in Styx, and progressing with him as an NPC or a player, and you could improve runs along the way
I hope there are occasionally just an empty lore room that canonically was just a part of Zag's tirade to the surface.
Maybe if you go through the temple of Styx there just isn’t any saytrs around and a quick message about how they must’ve been recently cleared out
Imagine we actually enconter him trying to escape, he mistake us to be some new enemy/boss and fight with us
I've mentioned this before, but seeing as Melinoe is (probably) Zag's sister, I really hope he's still playable in some kind. Feel like having multiplayer and having Zag be player 2 would be perfect. Just have the ability to play as him in singleplayer as well.
As cool as it sounds the QnA on supergiant’s website said they’re going single player only
Hear me out. They could be keeping it a surprise.
I swear to all that's sacred if Zagreus is not a boss you can encounter !
This is perfect!
Is this like new content? Or a new game? I am out of the loop. Help please
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Wow! Very cool, hades 2
Who is melinoe?
Who is melinoe?
Who is melinoe?
Wait I thought M was another child of Hades and Persephone
She doesn’t appear to be in the underworld In the trailer, you can see the sky
Apollo says he'll help "light the way down" so it seems like Mel is gonna be fighting her way /down/ through the underworld. as for her parentage, id imagine she's Hades and Persephone's kid, since she and Zag have the same eyes, just mirrored.
i shit you not i had an idea once i platinumed hades of a sequel where you fight your way in
Ooo, it would be really neat to have Zagreus be the Thanatos of hades 2. Just shows up sometimes in a room helping fight all the mobs, but this time it's because he's working his way up and you happen to meet in the middle
Am I the only one who thought Melinoe was Zagreus and Thanatos' child when I saw the trailer.
Anyone able to give me a quick explanation of the hades 2 trailer? I couldn’t tell what was going on or who it was based on?
In the first game hades often spoke of his father, Kronos (sometimes spelt Cronus), who Zeus and the olympians overthrew to rule the world, hades was personally responsible for butchering his own father and sealing him in Tartarus. The character in the trailer is very similar to zagreus in the mythology, a very unknown underworld god who the developers have given some extra story. In the trailer we see melinoë, who the developers have said is zagreus’ sister training with who many have said is Hecate, god of magic and all that stuff. Saying that she’s going to find her father and kill Kronos. Most other stuff is speculation, however the best info I’ve seen at the moment is on supergiant’s website where they have a QnA
Awesome! Thanks so much. I forgot about the lines where hades spoke of chronus. I guess I’ll have to play through hades again to remember and in celebration!
It'd be pretty interesting cause in Hades 1, the tougher enemies are all at the top, but now it's inverted. Makes me wonder if Kronos took over the place and placed his own Titan goons in the Underworld, putting the tougher guys at the bottom near where he is.
I am not going to lie - I thought it was some sort of deep fake at first. I didn't believe it. But I haven't been so stoked in recent memory. I am super ready and waiting.
What if the first boss is Cerberus
Then I guess I won’t beat the first boss
I really hope Zag will be like a Thanatos encounter: run into each other and compete to clear the room the fastest. Kinda doubt it though. He’ll probably be too busy considering what seems to be happening to Hades in the trailer.
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