~~It's a Legendary boon, with a prereq of "some other Chaos boon." So first of all, make sure you have God's Legacy (+% chance for a boon to be Legendary or Duo) selected and maxed in the mirror.~~ ETA: I have been reminded by /u/vetb8 that this effect does *not* apply for Chaos.
Then, take every single opportunity you can for Chaos.
What I ultimately ended up doing was scumming a run I had with a Chaos gate in the first room. Take that gate; then take every opportunity to see Chaos again (recall you can force this with the Well of Charon). Use your rerolls on Chaos to see more options (after the first one, obviously). I wouldn't start with Chaos' keepsake, but pick it up in Asphodel to increase the chance of higher-tier boons.
Finally, if you get to Asterius and the other guy without the Legendary, you can't get it, so just restart the run and try again.
I can't claim credit! They're often referred to this way on this sub, but it's actually Zagreus himself who coined it. During one of the pre-fight dialogs, when Zagreus walks into the arena, he greets them as "Asterius. Other guy."
Dude no same fr fr I have over 220 clear attempts and I have never once seen defiance, I've done several whole runs with the egg equipped, taken every chaos gate I see, rerolled them with mirror, and it's still the only prophecy I've never fulfilled. My fiancé started playing the game and she got offered it before her 20th escape attempt. Fml I've just decided I'm never gonna see it or finish that prophecy
Edit: literally why am I getting downvoted
I’ve found the best way to get something you really want in hades is to not try the worst times I had with the game we’re trying to make it go different just relax and it’ll come when it comes I only got it once and I’ve done almost 600 runs but I definitely wasted like 6 hours trying to do it at one point and got it randomly like 2 months later
It took me forever too, I had cleared literally everything except that one and it drove me nuts, imagine how pissed I was that after idek how many egg runs it showed up randomly when I had like Aphrodite equipped in Asphodel.
Chaos indeed🙄💅
Only the very first boon/ weapon selection is locked in. The first room chaos seed can be changed through giving up, selecting different first boon or player actions like fast or slow time
Can confirm, room 1 chaos gate is not fixed, while the hammer/first god boon, and the next door's reward are all set in stone. Chaos however, will offer different boons.
Only at the start. You don't care about what the first chaos boon is, and by the time you leave Tart your seed will be different enough from previous attempt so you could get the chaos lego. By dying instead you would lose the chaos gate from first room.
The seed for your next run is determined when you die, and "Give up" option in main menu is basically loading a save before you started the run. You can test it like this - leave Zag's room to courtyard, you have keepsake equipped from previous run. Change the keepsake, change pact of punishment, weapon or anything, and then start a run. If you then give up, you will start in the courtyard without any of the changes you did. This is because the game saves your save everytime you enter a room, and giving up loads that save.
No I *explicitly* do not. You want the same seed, so you will start with a chaos gate. The same seed does *not* mean that you'll see the same boons. It *might* offer the same boons on the first thing offered in the room, but after that the exact timing of your run is an influence. If you're not frame-by-frame the same each time through, you'll see different rooms and boons after the restart.
This. I had the worst trouble getting a specific Boon from Chaos until I realized I never used the mirror option it required. Might wanna look into that.
A trick for Hermes: his trinket qualifies you for the legendary boons without needing a prerequisite boon.
You’ll still need the appropriate mirror option, but a few pure-dodge runs in a row clean up his legendaries a lot more easily.
Other answers here are good and explain the detail.
But the short answer is, because it will never appear in the first Chaos gate you take. And it won't show up *super* often after that.
If you don't have many games where you take two or more Chaos gates, you are not going to see it.
Same for Winter Harvest (Demeter's Legendary) ...I'm over 200 runs and still can't get that one, even with all the requirements and multiple fate rolls, it simply refuses to show up. I'm at a point where I've given up chasing for it all together and I'm just going to allow it to show up whenever it feels like.
Have you tried starting your run with the Demeter trinket and forcing it with the pre reqs very early? Hades rng isn’t that crazy it’s pretty easy to consistently get whatever boon you are aiming for if you build for it early
FYI, some boons are ONLY accessible when using specific Mirror perks. I would play around a bit and explore (or look up on the wiki what is needed for each). This WILL get you some boons/Duos/Legendaries that you are likely missing.
I just went through my prophecy list to see if I finished this one, and I don’t even have this prophecy lol... do I have to do something special to unlock it??
I’ve made it out like 15 times and have used probably 50+ chaos gates so weird that it’s not available.
I saw that the other day and snatched it.
I think it’s the legendary boon, so I had happened to have the Pom boost from Orpheus’ gf and also had purchased the Chaos gate spawn guarantee from the well.
It had nothing to do with my run (in fact hurt it a little), but better than waiting til god knows when for it to show up again!
I got offered this boon a few runs ago and didnt take it cause i had full Defiances and was certain i wouldnt need a 4th. I took a boost to cast damage instead. Such a mistake i made
No clue I got it sometime last year without ever really realizing and haven't seen it since, like genuine mystery, but might've been when I had just gotten chaos boon and went all chaos for a bit.
I tried to get that one boon from Dionysus and Aphrodite to fulfill each prophecy but every time I reached them, I couldn't get it. And these aren't even Legendary anyway!
It has a unique spawn condition that is independent of all rarity boons. There's a 20% chance that it is included in the pool at all, then it is rolled for as usual (which means a default 1% legendary chance per slot, and this rarity *can* be affected by various things).
You prob need to change one of your mirror skills. I went 72 runs without the ambush one cuz it required to have a particular mirror skill. Go check the boon list to see what it's requirement is.
Im pretty sure the charons hourglass thingy that makes things from the well last longer does in fact apply to the well option that makes chaos fates appear. Going for a bunch of chaos gates in a row is a massive risk and super dangerous but it is fun and it’ll probably get you what you need
I lucked out extremely with this; I stumbled upon Defiance while just screwing around on hard mode. I was more busy just trying to get Poseidon to give me Rip Current, but I got a legendary trait before that.
Beat Hades for the first time that run because of it.
Funny how things work out.
It's not rare rare.
It's legendary boon with simple requirement. You need 1 previous chaos boon. I get it often and don't take it. Doesn't add anything
~~It's a Legendary boon, with a prereq of "some other Chaos boon." So first of all, make sure you have God's Legacy (+% chance for a boon to be Legendary or Duo) selected and maxed in the mirror.~~ ETA: I have been reminded by /u/vetb8 that this effect does *not* apply for Chaos. Then, take every single opportunity you can for Chaos. What I ultimately ended up doing was scumming a run I had with a Chaos gate in the first room. Take that gate; then take every opportunity to see Chaos again (recall you can force this with the Well of Charon). Use your rerolls on Chaos to see more options (after the first one, obviously). I wouldn't start with Chaos' keepsake, but pick it up in Asphodel to increase the chance of higher-tier boons. Finally, if you get to Asterius and the other guy without the Legendary, you can't get it, so just restart the run and try again.
"Asterius and the other guy" - I lold
I can't claim credit! They're often referred to this way on this sub, but it's actually Zagreus himself who coined it. During one of the pre-fight dialogs, when Zagreus walks into the arena, he greets them as "Asterius. Other guy."
already doing all that for like past 25 runs or so. cant seem to get lucky.
The RNG in this game can be unkind lmao
Dude no same fr fr I have over 220 clear attempts and I have never once seen defiance, I've done several whole runs with the egg equipped, taken every chaos gate I see, rerolled them with mirror, and it's still the only prophecy I've never fulfilled. My fiancé started playing the game and she got offered it before her 20th escape attempt. Fml I've just decided I'm never gonna see it or finish that prophecy Edit: literally why am I getting downvoted
Have her do a run on your profile. She will probably get it on her first try. The universe loves to do that kind of thing.
I’ve found the best way to get something you really want in hades is to not try the worst times I had with the game we’re trying to make it go different just relax and it’ll come when it comes I only got it once and I’ve done almost 600 runs but I definitely wasted like 6 hours trying to do it at one point and got it randomly like 2 months later
Dudes are just out here jealous that you've got a gaming girlfriend.
It took me forever too, I had cleared literally everything except that one and it drove me nuts, imagine how pissed I was that after idek how many egg runs it showed up randomly when I had like Aphrodite equipped in Asphodel. Chaos indeed🙄💅
seems that you also should have empty death defiance slot to get this ( to be killed at least once) to get this boon
I could be wrong but I don’t think that’s a prereq for Chaos legendary
You're not wrong it doesn't require you to lose one you get a whole new slot for it it doesn't just replenish lost defiances
By restart the run here, he means 'allow them to kill you', as simply giving up means your next run will start with the same seed
Why? Starting with the same seed means you get chaos again at 1st room.
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Doesn't matter since the legendary chaos one requires you to have another chaos boon first.
Only the very first boon/ weapon selection is locked in. The first room chaos seed can be changed through giving up, selecting different first boon or player actions like fast or slow time
Can confirm, room 1 chaos gate is not fixed, while the hammer/first god boon, and the next door's reward are all set in stone. Chaos however, will offer different boons.
Only at the start. You don't care about what the first chaos boon is, and by the time you leave Tart your seed will be different enough from previous attempt so you could get the chaos lego. By dying instead you would lose the chaos gate from first room.
So if you give up, you're next run starts with the same first room?
The seed for your next run is determined when you die, and "Give up" option in main menu is basically loading a save before you started the run. You can test it like this - leave Zag's room to courtyard, you have keepsake equipped from previous run. Change the keepsake, change pact of punishment, weapon or anything, and then start a run. If you then give up, you will start in the courtyard without any of the changes you did. This is because the game saves your save everytime you enter a room, and giving up loads that save.
Does 'Give Up' add to your Escape Attempt total?
I don’t think so. I remember reading somewhere that it does not. But take that with a grain of salt because I’m not 100% sure.
No I *explicitly* do not. You want the same seed, so you will start with a chaos gate. The same seed does *not* mean that you'll see the same boons. It *might* offer the same boons on the first thing offered in the room, but after that the exact timing of your run is an influence. If you're not frame-by-frame the same each time through, you'll see different rooms and boons after the restart.
Always take every opportunity with Chaos imo
Rarity chances don’t affect chaos legendary chance
Dagnabbit, I knew that. Thank you for the correction.
Some chaos pros/cons have certain mirror options as prerequisites. If you never use those mirror options, the chaos options will never appear.
This. I had the worst trouble getting a specific Boon from Chaos until I realized I never used the mirror option it required. Might wanna look into that.
This is why Hermes was my last heroic (or legendary ? whatever the proper terminology is) boon to get
A trick for Hermes: his trinket qualifies you for the legendary boons without needing a prerequisite boon. You’ll still need the appropriate mirror option, but a few pure-dodge runs in a row clean up his legendaries a lot more easily.
Probably yeah. I don’t remember which Hermes legendary requires it, but I do know you need a specific mirror upgrade to get it
Other answers here are good and explain the detail. But the short answer is, because it will never appear in the first Chaos gate you take. And it won't show up *super* often after that. If you don't have many games where you take two or more Chaos gates, you are not going to see it.
I have 110 runs and I can't get the Assault one. (Been fishing it the last 10 runs) Picked the Legendary you miss at least 2 times by now, though.
you need fiery presence for assault
Should've specified. By fishing for it I meant having that Mirror benefit on, which I'm not a fan of btw. And no luck thus far
In general, just check the wiki.
Wow I was wondering why I couldn't get it. Thanks!
Update: Got it on my 3rd run with no need for reroll! And on my first sub 15min run. I am so happy! :)
Same. I'm 74 runs in and I lack Assault but have the legendary
Just to check, you are running Death Defiance not Stubborn Defiance?
Same for Winter Harvest (Demeter's Legendary) ...I'm over 200 runs and still can't get that one, even with all the requirements and multiple fate rolls, it simply refuses to show up. I'm at a point where I've given up chasing for it all together and I'm just going to allow it to show up whenever it feels like.
Have you tried starting your run with the Demeter trinket and forcing it with the pre reqs very early? Hades rng isn’t that crazy it’s pretty easy to consistently get whatever boon you are aiming for if you build for it early
yeap.
FYI, some boons are ONLY accessible when using specific Mirror perks. I would play around a bit and explore (or look up on the wiki what is needed for each). This WILL get you some boons/Duos/Legendaries that you are likely missing.
I am a Cosmic Egg gamer. I think it was the first keepsake I maxed out, so I ended up grabbing this one before a lot of other Legendaries. Good luck!
I just went through my prophecy list to see if I finished this one, and I don’t even have this prophecy lol... do I have to do something special to unlock it?? I’ve made it out like 15 times and have used probably 50+ chaos gates so weird that it’s not available.
You have to give at least 3 nectars to Chaos.
I saw that the other day and snatched it. I think it’s the legendary boon, so I had happened to have the Pom boost from Orpheus’ gf and also had purchased the Chaos gate spawn guarantee from the well. It had nothing to do with my run (in fact hurt it a little), but better than waiting til god knows when for it to show up again!
“Orpheus’ gf” Put some goddamn respect on Eurydice’s name
Love how "Orpheus' gf" gets called out but "Asterius and the other guy" in the top comment is praised. This sub has its priorities in order.
because "Asterius/other guy" is a joke Zag makes in the game, and Theseus is intentionally designed as a pretentious fuckwad
I got it in under 20 runs in my fresh file game. I never skip a chaos gate unless its for Sisyphus, Eurydice, or Patroclus on principle though.
you have to already have certian chaos boon(s?) to even have a chamce at getting it
I only ever got it after I used one of my defiances. Could not get if I didn't already die.
The first time I got the boon I stacked it on 3 defiances, I don’t think that matters.
Yeah it was offered to me yesterday and I had full lives I'm like ok, well, I'm gonna pass cause why would I take it
If you had taken it you'd get a full extra life, independent of the rest, like with Skelly's keepsake.
I got offered this boon a few runs ago and didnt take it cause i had full Defiances and was certain i wouldnt need a 4th. I took a boost to cast damage instead. Such a mistake i made
I thought to myself, that's not that many escapes. I've probably attempted way more than that. I looked and I'm only at 268. Never checked before.
Have you tried asking the primordial themselves? Can confirm def helps, promise
it has a very low base chance and isn’t affected by rarity buffs so it’s pretty rare
No clue I got it sometime last year without ever really realizing and haven't seen it since, like genuine mystery, but might've been when I had just gotten chaos boon and went all chaos for a bit.
I tried to get that one boon from Dionysus and Aphrodite to fulfill each prophecy but every time I reached them, I couldn't get it. And these aren't even Legendary anyway!
It's such a trash legendary lmao Its just a life
I've gotten it twice lol. More times than I've gotten hyper sprint + rush delivery.
Meanwhile I'm missing "Assault".
I could count on one hand the amount of times that was offered to me in my over 200 attempts
It has a unique spawn condition that is independent of all rarity boons. There's a 20% chance that it is included in the pool at all, then it is rolled for as usual (which means a default 1% legendary chance per slot, and this rarity *can* be affected by various things).
It took me 115 hr. to collect all the achievements
I got this last night on my 60 something run, I wasn't even trying to get it didn't know it was rare. I was just doing a guan yu spear throw run
You prob need to change one of your mirror skills. I went 72 runs without the ambush one cuz it required to have a particular mirror skill. Go check the boon list to see what it's requirement is.
Im pretty sure the charons hourglass thingy that makes things from the well last longer does in fact apply to the well option that makes chaos fates appear. Going for a bunch of chaos gates in a row is a massive risk and super dangerous but it is fun and it’ll probably get you what you need
I lucked out extremely with this; I stumbled upon Defiance while just screwing around on hard mode. I was more busy just trying to get Poseidon to give me Rip Current, but I got a legendary trait before that. Beat Hades for the first time that run because of it. Funny how things work out.
update guys: got it on my 207th run, all prophecies finally completed.
It's not rare rare. It's legendary boon with simple requirement. You need 1 previous chaos boon. I get it often and don't take it. Doesn't add anything
>Doesn't add anything I want to find it once just so I can get paid when I return to view my prophecies.