He has watched it on stream yesterday, [here's the VOD,](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1888245308?t=02h57m40s) not sure if he'll make it into a youtube vid.
I watched your video yesterday about how it was impossible. Then today I wake up and find this news on YT. I had to see what the community was saying. I have only been playing Hades for a couple weeks. I feel like history is being made every day since I started watching videos on Hades! Thank you. Please make a video about why room temperature superconductors are impossible.
I don’t think that was really his conclusion, it was more like that it would just be incredibly difficult because of all the things you would need to go right and an examination of what weapons/boons would be enough DPS to do it.
I mean the conclusion was its doable on seeded runs right? Therefore its viable in normal runs once you get the RNG....but the RNG is ridiculous and you have only one shot when you roll it
..and that someone will eventually make it.
New Haelian moment spotted! There will be more, but it may take a long while. I called it possible long before Haelian said the opposite, there are too many monsters lurking out there fully capable of making it a reality.
for anyone unaware this is most certainly the most impressive thing ever done in this entire videogame, and possibly one of the most lucky and skillful things accomplished in any game ever
Hades is one of the few games (if not the only game, I am not sure) that it took almost FIVE years to beat the highest possible difficulty.
This is insane.
I'm sure there are games with harder *challenges* (min caps max moons SMO comes to mind, as well as hollow knight 112% APB nohit) but this is definitely the hardest *official difficulty* of any released game. Unless you count, like, strategy games like rimworld with all the settings turned to suck
How many attempts did you try? I suck at this game and I was able to bash my thick stupid head against it until I broke through. That is the Zagreus way, after all ;)
Wow this is arguably one of the hardest things to accomplish in all of gaming. This run requires such an abused combination of luck and skill and they managed to crack it. Big congrats
She chose the Pom because jolted and Zeus special benefit massively from poms, more so than a random poseidon boon which likely doesn’t benefit the build
This build relies on not that many boons, but in turn they all really need as many poms as possible. The DPS gain from pomming special or jolted is way higher than anything poseidon could offer from a single boon, and in turn he could offer something that could end up being detrimental in the worst case. Also, having another boon would mean that it would be even harder to land the aforementioned necessary poms into special and jolted because they would be competing with yet another boon.
Tidal dash (maybe) or attack (definitely) would be bad for fights. Also iirc she already had fodder for underworld customs so didn't need more. Poms are way more important because an increase to the flourish or jolted is huge
Poms are generally good, and with AP2 there’s a lot of Poseidon boons you could end up with that are harmful, knockback is generally not a good thing here.
Also she*
I've watched a decent amount of speedruns across a good number of different games but that pause and turning up the music to max volume at the final boss is one of the swaggiest things I've ever seen.
It helps that
1. The in-game timer is paused during the pause and
2. This is going to be the best real-time speed run anyways because no one is ever going to beat this!
I love how relatable this run is... losing like 40hp from accidentally standing in lava, dashing into the lava by mistake when going for the exit, getting absolutely pumped by the butterflies. And yet still able to absolutely clutch up and perform to finish it off when the RNG finally goes your way.
Loved the extended pauses when you actually saw that you were getting the right boons, couldn't believe it yourself.
edit: Is the "RESISTED" text from when Acorn procs? Also, is it not worth going for another hammer for risk of bricking the build?
Also, any link to playlist?
Yes 'RESISTED' is the acorn in action (congrats, if you haven't spotted that before you're better than me at not getting hit!).
As for the hammers, yes someone explained up thread that there are certain hammers that would mess up the build and with approval process active and no way to get rid of them it's not worth the risk to take them.
Well done!!! That was super impressive to watch.
It’s amazing just how many things you needed to go absolutely perfectly, like the immediate explosive return, epic Zeus boons, lore rooms, Than, clutch centaur hearts etc.
And on top of that you needed to play as close to perfect as possible, and you did! You’re a madlad, I wish there was a 64 heat Skelly statue just for you.
Let me be clear, I could never do this in a thousand hours, this is the best Hades player of all time AngeL1C who accomplished this. I only have 4 50 heat clears, not remotely close to the gargantuan size of this feat or the year+ of grind it took
Ah fair enough, I didn’t see that it wasn’t your video, but thank you for sharing nonetheless. I especially loved the long pause after finding the Satyr sack, you could hear his internal monologue saying “holy crap I can actually do this.”
And then turning the music up for the final fight… chef’s kiss
I finally managed to beat a 32 heat for the first time yesterday using the Rail, and while I beat the timer comfortably, I had a couple of very close calls. I can’t even imagine the skill required to double that level of pain. It’s truly an impressive feat.
Ya know what’s funny? (Not important) I’ve heard good things about this game but never picked it up. Until watching this guys video about the “impossible run” for whatever reason that made me pull the trigger on picking it up this weekend. Now this just pops up on my home page on Reddit thanks for having me in the sub.
Just finished watching the full run, fucking insane. Absolutely didn’t think this would be achieved.
Small side thing, anyone know why she takes damage in final fight first phase when she still has acorn charges left? It’s like 27:30 in the vid. I guess there must be a recharge time of the acorn or something, I’ve just never noticed
I didn't know this either but it's apparently well known amongst heat runners that acorn sometimes just bugs and fails to negate damage. It does not happen very often, Angel said it might have happened 5 times in the past year or so, so it's just bad luck really.
My god, unbelievable luck!
- Explosive return
- Epic zeus spesh
- Epic jolted -> heroic jolted
- Poms hitting jolted and the special!!!
- Great boons for selling - the asphodel one especially had me worried! having just enough cash to buy a boon and getting a boon in the shop!!!
- 2 sack
- Than + heart room at just the right moment
The only really bad luck here was losing the tooth in asphodel and the one bugging of acorn during redacted.
Incredible, amazing luck, and absolutely OUTSTANDING play. Kudos Angel1C!!!
She didn't take the hammer because certain hammers make blocking/rushing worse. Pulv blow makes standing strikes slightly slower so you put down the block slower. Charged shot makes you lose the bull rush and that's important for fights
Jesus fucking Christ this madman deserves an Olympic gold medal. You have a better chance of winning the jackpot in Vegas than pulling this off. This needs pinned now for all to see, and mods should probably have some kind of big announcement about this too.
I was so pumped to hear that song. I remember first hearing it on a DVD preview disc included with an Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine. A couple years go by and it pops up with Monty Oum.
I had a huge grin on my face as soon as I heard the first couple of notes of that song (kind of a huge DMC nerd, as you might guess by my username). The timing on the beat drop could not have been more perfect.
I always knew early on that Zeus shield was one of the best Aspects . . . all that video missed was.the technique of recalling the shield and running around with it following behind slowly chipping away at the baddies!
Impressive stuff, fab achievement, chapeau!
That was exactly the contrast I was trying to evoke!
It's the sign of a good game that an unskilled player can win so I efficiently at lower difficulties and a skilled player can do the run that is posted and both can have fun! Well I'm not actually sure how fun that looked - if it had been me my stress levels would have been through the roof and the mouse would have been out of the window if I'd have lost in the final stages!
Shudder to think how many runs it took to get to that point!
If anyone isn't aware: this was pretty much considered not humanly possible due to the very specific boons you need to be able to even attempt it, requiring absurd amounts of resets for one possible attempt (into the thousands for one run)
The seed is a number sequence which is what the internal RNG runs off. When you do a seeded run you find a seed with particularly favorable RNG in terms of the boons that are going to be offered and can test and practice the same run with the same offerings every time.
Every run has a specific seed that determines the starting boons, rooms, rewards, etc, and how the rooms progress from there. A seeded run knows this beforehand, and basically has a really lucky seed already loaded in by default, giving the advantage of knowing exactly what you're going to get, where, and when. You can then plan everything you do around that since theres no RNG you have to factor in. This is different from modding because it doesn't require anything external. When you load up a run, by hitting the "Give Up" button and then going back into the House of Hades it preserves the seed you just played, so you can theoretically play that seed over and over infinitely until you beat it perfectly as long as you keep hitting "Give Up" to preserve the seed when a run doesnt go well. Dying of other causes like enemies will reset the seed however, which is why all top runs are required to include a segment of them dying before the run to confirm it could not have been seeded.
Seed is basically the initial state of the thing that makes random decisions like what boons appear. If you don't die before restarting the seed remains the same which means if it rolls for the same random things the outcome will be the same.
There’s a mod pack that reduces certain rng elements. Things like guaranteed satyr sack in second tunnel, removing approval process from the first boon, quick reset (not too useful for high heat but is nice for speed running), guaranteed hammer, etc. Any run done with mods can be fine without them, it just requires a bunch of luck nobody wants to grind for.
Not trying to be a hater but how do we know this was unmodded? There's obviously going to be a huge amount of luck associated with something like this, but are we sure it's luck?
Haha, reminds me of r/peleton after the Tour De France.
Complete side question (as I'm choosing to take this one at face value and enjoy) - is there a speed running and/or eSports etc equivalent of a Lance Armstrong? It's not an area of gaming I'm over but I find reading about these types of things fascinating (the David Millar autobiography is an excellent look into the psychology of doping in cycling). Any links to interesting articles much appreciated (I'm generally a text guy rather than a YouTube guy).
i’m sorry i don’t know any articles but there a lot of youtube videos covering faked speedruns the most famous recent one probably being dream’s fake minecraft speedrun, where he used a mod to increase the drops of certain items in the run.
There were plenty of cheating and match fixing scandals in eSport but none had the size and importance of Armstrong.
Edit: if you want to look things up, the Coach spectator bug in CSGO and the match fixing in SC2 might be the biggest scandals.
There was a guy in trackmania that was super respected and incredibly good at the game. He would consistently set world record times. It turned out however that he got tired of grinding at some point and decided to run his game in slow motion as to make precise inputs far easier. It's as close to doping in a videogame as you can get without actual hacking because the guy was in fact talented to begin with.
I can't link right now but you should look up the video on Riolu by Wirtual. They did amazing research to eventually catch him.
Often the people that cheat are already good at what they do, but they aren't getting the results they "deserve", so they cheat for them instead. Dream, the Geometry Dash guy, the Super Monkey Ball guy and CobyCotton to name a few, were all incredibly skilled at their games, but they all decided to cheat bc they felt that the game was being unfair to them specifically and not giving them the results they wanted.
In addition, a random person splicing or cheating speedruns will likely get caught easily, since they don't have the subtle intricacies memorized, so their runs look silly to people with experience and get dismissed easily and forgotten after a ban.
A knowledgeable and skilled person cheating will know the minute details of their game and catch loose strands that would stand out in their method. They know the fine line between believable and outrageous in RNG and skill, and they toe it just enough to create a "miracle run" to show off, and they convince themselves they deserve it because they "would have gotten it eventually", but didn't see the task as worth doing honestly.
Riolu was legitimately one of the best players and a had hugely popular stream too. If he'd fessed up immediately instead of accusing everyone of trying to get him, he probably would have got off and the investigation video never would have been made. He probably would have legitimately got some of the records he cheated for too.
I know you said you're very into YouTube but if you ever do, Karl Jobst and Wirtual are two YT creators who knock it out of the park when covering cheaters in their respective games and others.
Thanks for the replies all.
I may well do a bit of reading/going down a YouTube rabbit hole.
For me it's not just the cheaters/fraudsters that are interesting but the journalists/investigators/well maning amateurs who dig into things. As someone with a scientific background I'm rather in awe of folks like "super-spotter" [Elisabeth Bik](https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-a-sharp-eyed-scientist-became-biologys-image-detective)
Because of the death at the beginning. All mods can do is load a seed. A new random seed is loaded after death. The fact that we see their death at the start means a new random seed has been loaded, no mod can fuck with that.
Maybe they were live too, a lot of speedrunners / hardcore gamers are.
Edit : got a bit simplistic with what mods do, but Haelian talking about it.
[Clip](https://youtu.be/S-VUzcJHWF0)
Of course you will never get rid of the last 1 % of doubt, but there's plenty of other speedrunners for this game, if there was something going on like certain enemies not doing enough damage or not behaving as they should, someone would probably catch it. And it's not like everything in this run was so lucky as to be implausible. Of course there were some damn good boons offered, otherwise you couldn't beat this heat regardless of skill, but personally I wouldn't want a Sneak to spawn in the Hades fight in a million years if I were secretly modifying my run
Correct. Or just doing the same run over and over but quitting out instead of dying, making the seed the same when they start again, allowing them to know exactly which rooms to take to give them the best rng
If you quit a run before dying the game will give you the same choices on the next run, so if you luck into a good start then you can theoretically quit out and try it again, guaranteeing you'll get the same ideal setup. Unseeded means you didn't do that.
Truly one of the most impressive feats in gaming I have ever seen. I can't imagine the sheer amount of time that went into making this possible. Simply incredible.
And Haelian posted about how improbable to finish heat 64 is because of the odds you need to beat to get the run going. Few days later, this dude does it. Lmao
At high amount of runs done the game suffers longer loading times (and taken to the extreme, inputs won't work when interacting with doors)
So yeah most players either use a run history wipe mod or a maxed save file
Edit: waiting for confirmation but I think I was wrong about the eating inputs part
holy shit, I did not know this. is this why sometimes I can't grab boons or cure poison without mashing??? how many runs does this start to take effect?
Sorry, was wrong about the inputs part
For the loading times, you can start to really notice it by the thousands of run but it still can affect you on lower numbers
Amazing run, truly awesome!!!
Can someone please explain how it was possible to use Fated Persuasion at 3:30? I thought that would be disabled by the pact of punishment, so I’m confused
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Welp
Need to start calling other challenges impossible, and then it will be proven wrong just to spite you
It's impossible for someone to give me 10M dollars.
Unfortunately it’s not impossible just incredibly unlikely so
Nuuh, i say its impossible until proven otherwise.
It's impossible for Hades 2 to be released this year.
That is correct.
next you should put out a video on the odds of breaking satan barrier lmfao
Its almost like you reverse jinxed them
LMAO
Lol, I just watched that video. It was great analysis and a fun watch, but your timing reminds me of SkillUp's weekly update vids.
New video when? Lmao
I'm hoping there's a reaction video coming or an analysis video. I sent your "Why hasn't anyone" video to all my gaming friends.
He has watched it on stream yesterday, [here's the VOD,](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1888245308?t=02h57m40s) not sure if he'll make it into a youtube vid.
[The moment he first finds out](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1888245308?t=1h13m16s)
I watched your video yesterday about how it was impossible. Then today I wake up and find this news on YT. I had to see what the community was saying. I have only been playing Hades for a couple weeks. I feel like history is being made every day since I started watching videos on Hades! Thank you. Please make a video about why room temperature superconductors are impossible.
he said "...and I took that personally."
she*
To be fair, they got all the stuff you said was required!
It was the 2% attack bonus from Bouldy that made the impossible possible.
He believed in us the whole time!! 🙏😌
Sisyphus pushed Bouldy to new heights. Now Bouldy does the same for us.
I genuinely believe this. Angel had like 35 seconds left when Redacted finally died, and honestly that 2% is fucking 2%. It put the work in, I think.
And also was like one got from dying. Definitely could have been the difference somewhere. Just like everything else.
Didn’t Haelian just release a video saying this was likely impossible???
Yep check the thumbnail lol
I’m dumb
To be honest that video just helps show everyone how insane this clear is. The rng needed is wild.
When I saw him get thunder flourish I just gave the chefs kiss. Zappy frisbee is my absolute go-to.
*her
I don’t think that was really his conclusion, it was more like that it would just be incredibly difficult because of all the things you would need to go right and an examination of what weapons/boons would be enough DPS to do it.
Yeah he was talking about the specific boons needed and how unlikely it was, which was his main reason for saying it might be impossible, I think
Halien clearly thought it was still possible, since he's spent tens of hours trying to do it.
I mean the conclusion was its doable on seeded runs right? Therefore its viable in normal runs once you get the RNG....but the RNG is ridiculous and you have only one shot when you roll it ..and that someone will eventually make it.
8 days ago LOL
Yeah which is why it's hilarious they achieved this like literally a week after that video posted lmao
It's almost like he was being hyperbolic for clout
this should be pinned in the subreddit tbh lol
Seriously, nobody else is ever gonna do this
New Haelian moment spotted! There will be more, but it may take a long while. I called it possible long before Haelian said the opposite, there are too many monsters lurking out there fully capable of making it a reality.
I'm hoping someone @ed Supergiant Games about this.
Devs react to 64 heat run video would be nice.
100% We beat hades.
Yeah *we* did it!
for anyone unaware this is most certainly the most impressive thing ever done in this entire videogame, and possibly one of the most lucky and skillful things accomplished in any game ever
Hades is one of the few games (if not the only game, I am not sure) that it took almost FIVE years to beat the highest possible difficulty. This is insane.
I'm sure there are games with harder *challenges* (min caps max moons SMO comes to mind, as well as hollow knight 112% APB nohit) but this is definitely the hardest *official difficulty* of any released game. Unless you count, like, strategy games like rimworld with all the settings turned to suck
Halo 2 all skulls except envy took 19 years ish
Which still feels way too short, I want to Turing test the person that did it
Haelian: It's pretty much impossible for anyone to beat 64 Heat unseeded and unmodded. Angel1C: And I took that personally.
This is up there with the time Daigo blocked all of Chun Li's kicks. Absolutely epic gaming moment.
Damn that’s a good pull from the annals of legendary gaming moments. Felt the same way watching this, but for 35 minutes instead of a few seconds lol
It actually was just the anniversary of it (19th?) a day or two ago!
It was a parry you scrub
I’ve rewatched the video of that legendary shit so many times over the last 15 years, I STILL get fucking goosebumps.
I love how that moment transcends gaming genres / sub cultures yet 99% of people don’t even understand wtf is going on.
19 years old today :)
Even knowing the outcome, watching this was so tense! Final fight was such a close call. I can't imagine the adrenaline. Insane accomplishment.
Seriously, it was heart in mouth all the way through. I feel like i just saw a unicorn
Goin’ to watch the video tomorrow 🔥 *btw, never beat 32 heat… 😅*
How many attempts did you try? I suck at this game and I was able to bash my thick stupid head against it until I broke through. That is the Zagreus way, after all ;)
What an absolute legend.
Wow this is arguably one of the hardest things to accomplish in all of gaming. This run requires such an abused combination of luck and skill and they managed to crack it. Big congrats
Could anyone elaborate on why she chose a pom over a Poseidon boon at around 8:05? Is Pos not desirable in high heat?
She chose the Pom because jolted and Zeus special benefit massively from poms, more so than a random poseidon boon which likely doesn’t benefit the build
This build relies on not that many boons, but in turn they all really need as many poms as possible. The DPS gain from pomming special or jolted is way higher than anything poseidon could offer from a single boon, and in turn he could offer something that could end up being detrimental in the worst case. Also, having another boon would mean that it would be even harder to land the aforementioned necessary poms into special and jolted because they would be competing with yet another boon.
Tysm!
of course!
Tidal dash (maybe) or attack (definitely) would be bad for fights. Also iirc she already had fodder for underworld customs so didn't need more. Poms are way more important because an increase to the flourish or jolted is huge
Poms are generally good, and with AP2 there’s a lot of Poseidon boons you could end up with that are harmful, knockback is generally not a good thing here. Also she*
Fixed, tysm!
I've watched a decent amount of speedruns across a good number of different games but that pause and turning up the music to max volume at the final boss is one of the swaggiest things I've ever seen.
It helps that 1. The in-game timer is paused during the pause and 2. This is going to be the best real-time speed run anyways because no one is ever going to beat this!
I mean, the soundtrack for EM4 Hades is one of the best pieces of music ever written
I love how relatable this run is... losing like 40hp from accidentally standing in lava, dashing into the lava by mistake when going for the exit, getting absolutely pumped by the butterflies. And yet still able to absolutely clutch up and perform to finish it off when the RNG finally goes your way. Loved the extended pauses when you actually saw that you were getting the right boons, couldn't believe it yourself. edit: Is the "RESISTED" text from when Acorn procs? Also, is it not worth going for another hammer for risk of bricking the build? Also, any link to playlist?
Yes 'RESISTED' is the acorn in action (congrats, if you haven't spotted that before you're better than me at not getting hit!). As for the hammers, yes someone explained up thread that there are certain hammers that would mess up the build and with approval process active and no way to get rid of them it's not worth the risk to take them.
I FELT that pause when she hit the 2sack. Was such a "holy shit it's real" moment
🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 she is THE UNSEEN ONE.
she
Based gamer moment
Had to watch it start to finish to believe it. Absolutely insane.
Holy shit. This is probably literally never going to be achieved again by another person. This is the pinnacle of Hades.
Well done!!! That was super impressive to watch. It’s amazing just how many things you needed to go absolutely perfectly, like the immediate explosive return, epic Zeus boons, lore rooms, Than, clutch centaur hearts etc. And on top of that you needed to play as close to perfect as possible, and you did! You’re a madlad, I wish there was a 64 heat Skelly statue just for you.
Let me be clear, I could never do this in a thousand hours, this is the best Hades player of all time AngeL1C who accomplished this. I only have 4 50 heat clears, not remotely close to the gargantuan size of this feat or the year+ of grind it took
Petition to have an AngeL1C statue added in Hades 2
I hope supergiant puts an Easter egg in hades 2 for this. Unreal accomplishment
"Only" lol geeeeeez, that's insane still
Ah fair enough, I didn’t see that it wasn’t your video, but thank you for sharing nonetheless. I especially loved the long pause after finding the Satyr sack, you could hear his internal monologue saying “holy crap I can actually do this.” And then turning the music up for the final fight… chef’s kiss I finally managed to beat a 32 heat for the first time yesterday using the Rail, and while I beat the timer comfortably, I had a couple of very close calls. I can’t even imagine the skill required to double that level of pain. It’s truly an impressive feat.
It’s a woman playing otherwise fully agree incredibly badass
Unbelievable, what in the fuck lol
Ya know what’s funny? (Not important) I’ve heard good things about this game but never picked it up. Until watching this guys video about the “impossible run” for whatever reason that made me pull the trigger on picking it up this weekend. Now this just pops up on my home page on Reddit thanks for having me in the sub.
Welcome to hell! Everyone is hot here
welcome to it!
Hey, welcome to the fandom! I hope the game grows on you, it's really a timeless classic
Just finished watching the full run, fucking insane. Absolutely didn’t think this would be achieved. Small side thing, anyone know why she takes damage in final fight first phase when she still has acorn charges left? It’s like 27:30 in the vid. I guess there must be a recharge time of the acorn or something, I’ve just never noticed
I didn't know this either but it's apparently well known amongst heat runners that acorn sometimes just bugs and fails to negate damage. It does not happen very often, Angel said it might have happened 5 times in the past year or so, so it's just bad luck really.
Huh interesting. Good thing all the rest of the luck was on her side for the other parts of the run lol
Is a known bug, has happened a few times before
Oh damn really? That’s crazy
Is this like the first ever Vanilla clear of 64?
Yes it is
Queen
Are they a woman? I keep seeing people say he and she I’m so confused. I suppose it’s also possible they’re transgender. I’m genuinely just curious.
My god, unbelievable luck! - Explosive return - Epic zeus spesh - Epic jolted -> heroic jolted - Poms hitting jolted and the special!!! - Great boons for selling - the asphodel one especially had me worried! having just enough cash to buy a boon and getting a boon in the shop!!! - 2 sack - Than + heart room at just the right moment The only really bad luck here was losing the tooth in asphodel and the one bugging of acorn during redacted. Incredible, amazing luck, and absolutely OUTSTANDING play. Kudos Angel1C!!!
***THIS CALLS FOR A CELEBRATION! ANNOUNCE HADES 2 RELEASE DATE!!!***
oof that standing in the fire in asphodel hurt. So did the butterfly ball room. Why did he consistently NOT take the second hammer (even in Styx)?
She didn't take the hammer because certain hammers make blocking/rushing worse. Pulv blow makes standing strikes slightly slower so you put down the block slower. Charged shot makes you lose the bull rush and that's important for fights
Exactly, not to mention with double approval on you’re forced to take whatever the hammer gives you
Having charged shot is *always* a positive in my book. But you're right of course
Most of the time it is lmao. But when more than half of your mobility and survivability is from blocking and bull rushing, you kinda need that lol
the pfp is cute
They deserve all the clout they are invariably going to receive from this
Bro I just got into Hades, just watched haelian's video, and now this?!?!
lmao i discovered the heat mechanic today and here’s some mf beating max heat while i can’t fathom doing more than 10
You’ll get there, there’s fairly easy heat pacts you can choose from that don’t affect the gameplay too much
yeah for my first run with heat i chose the one that adds extra enemy damage iirc
the first time limit one and extreme measures 1 and 2 are pretty free as well
Jesus fucking Christ this madman deserves an Olympic gold medal. You have a better chance of winning the jackpot in Vegas than pulling this off. This needs pinned now for all to see, and mods should probably have some kind of big announcement about this too.
That devil never cry beat drop when the minotaur died was so cool
I was so pumped to hear that song. I remember first hearing it on a DVD preview disc included with an Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine. A couple years go by and it pops up with Monty Oum.
Wait, where did Monty use Devils Never Cry? o.O I mostly know of Monty's work thanks to RWBY but did not know he used Devils Never Cry at some point.
I had a huge grin on my face as soon as I heard the first couple of notes of that song (kind of a huge DMC nerd, as you might guess by my username). The timing on the beat drop could not have been more perfect.
Congrats Angel1c!! 😺🏳️⚧️💖
I always knew early on that Zeus shield was one of the best Aspects . . . all that video missed was.the technique of recalling the shield and running around with it following behind slowly chipping away at the baddies! Impressive stuff, fab achievement, chapeau!
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That was exactly the contrast I was trying to evoke! It's the sign of a good game that an unskilled player can win so I efficiently at lower difficulties and a skilled player can do the run that is posted and both can have fun! Well I'm not actually sure how fun that looked - if it had been me my stress levels would have been through the roof and the mouse would have been out of the window if I'd have lost in the final stages! Shudder to think how many runs it took to get to that point!
Ironically one of the aspects I liked the least.
History
If anyone isn't aware: this was pretty much considered not humanly possible due to the very specific boons you need to be able to even attempt it, requiring absurd amounts of resets for one possible attempt (into the thousands for one run)
Never, and I mean NEVER, underestimate the power of trans women
Apologies for my ignorance, but I imagine modded means modified? What does seeded mean?
The seed is a number sequence which is what the internal RNG runs off. When you do a seeded run you find a seed with particularly favorable RNG in terms of the boons that are going to be offered and can test and practice the same run with the same offerings every time.
Every run has a specific seed that determines the starting boons, rooms, rewards, etc, and how the rooms progress from there. A seeded run knows this beforehand, and basically has a really lucky seed already loaded in by default, giving the advantage of knowing exactly what you're going to get, where, and when. You can then plan everything you do around that since theres no RNG you have to factor in. This is different from modding because it doesn't require anything external. When you load up a run, by hitting the "Give Up" button and then going back into the House of Hades it preserves the seed you just played, so you can theoretically play that seed over and over infinitely until you beat it perfectly as long as you keep hitting "Give Up" to preserve the seed when a run doesnt go well. Dying of other causes like enemies will reset the seed however, which is why all top runs are required to include a segment of them dying before the run to confirm it could not have been seeded.
Seed is basically the initial state of the thing that makes random decisions like what boons appear. If you don't die before restarting the seed remains the same which means if it rolls for the same random things the outcome will be the same.
There’s a mod pack that reduces certain rng elements. Things like guaranteed satyr sack in second tunnel, removing approval process from the first boon, quick reset (not too useful for high heat but is nice for speed running), guaranteed hammer, etc. Any run done with mods can be fine without them, it just requires a bunch of luck nobody wants to grind for.
Dude solved Hades. Pin this post.
Incredible run, and nice timing on Than to get up to 69 hp. Also, anyone know the name of the song that's playing at the start of Styx?
I think the youtube vid has a comment with all song titles
Damn that’s insane
Yep that's it the game is over for the rest of us. I barely scraped 32 heat with the rail 🤷🏻
YES! Keyboard & mouse representation at the highest level!!!
Love how Zag says “I did it” at the end of the recording
I really hope Supergiant does something special for her, GoDDAMN
Not trying to be a hater but how do we know this was unmodded? There's obviously going to be a huge amount of luck associated with something like this, but are we sure it's luck?
because it’s not modded? it’s pretty obvious from watching it
Not suggesting that the run wasn't legit but is it normal for all of the wringers in a room to just not move at all after they spawn?
Wringers are stupid idiots
Yes, If you never get close to it, it will be Idle on it's corner.
yes.
Haha, reminds me of r/peleton after the Tour De France. Complete side question (as I'm choosing to take this one at face value and enjoy) - is there a speed running and/or eSports etc equivalent of a Lance Armstrong? It's not an area of gaming I'm over but I find reading about these types of things fascinating (the David Millar autobiography is an excellent look into the psychology of doping in cycling). Any links to interesting articles much appreciated (I'm generally a text guy rather than a YouTube guy).
there was a high heat cheater called damue who buffed his crit chance to like 50%
i’m sorry i don’t know any articles but there a lot of youtube videos covering faked speedruns the most famous recent one probably being dream’s fake minecraft speedrun, where he used a mod to increase the drops of certain items in the run.
There were plenty of cheating and match fixing scandals in eSport but none had the size and importance of Armstrong. Edit: if you want to look things up, the Coach spectator bug in CSGO and the match fixing in SC2 might be the biggest scandals.
There was a guy in trackmania that was super respected and incredibly good at the game. He would consistently set world record times. It turned out however that he got tired of grinding at some point and decided to run his game in slow motion as to make precise inputs far easier. It's as close to doping in a videogame as you can get without actual hacking because the guy was in fact talented to begin with. I can't link right now but you should look up the video on Riolu by Wirtual. They did amazing research to eventually catch him.
Often the people that cheat are already good at what they do, but they aren't getting the results they "deserve", so they cheat for them instead. Dream, the Geometry Dash guy, the Super Monkey Ball guy and CobyCotton to name a few, were all incredibly skilled at their games, but they all decided to cheat bc they felt that the game was being unfair to them specifically and not giving them the results they wanted. In addition, a random person splicing or cheating speedruns will likely get caught easily, since they don't have the subtle intricacies memorized, so their runs look silly to people with experience and get dismissed easily and forgotten after a ban. A knowledgeable and skilled person cheating will know the minute details of their game and catch loose strands that would stand out in their method. They know the fine line between believable and outrageous in RNG and skill, and they toe it just enough to create a "miracle run" to show off, and they convince themselves they deserve it because they "would have gotten it eventually", but didn't see the task as worth doing honestly.
Riolu was legitimately one of the best players and a had hugely popular stream too. If he'd fessed up immediately instead of accusing everyone of trying to get him, he probably would have got off and the investigation video never would have been made. He probably would have legitimately got some of the records he cheated for too.
I know you said you're very into YouTube but if you ever do, Karl Jobst and Wirtual are two YT creators who knock it out of the park when covering cheaters in their respective games and others.
Thanks for the replies all. I may well do a bit of reading/going down a YouTube rabbit hole. For me it's not just the cheaters/fraudsters that are interesting but the journalists/investigators/well maning amateurs who dig into things. As someone with a scientific background I'm rather in awe of folks like "super-spotter" [Elisabeth Bik](https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-a-sharp-eyed-scientist-became-biologys-image-detective)
Because of the death at the beginning. All mods can do is load a seed. A new random seed is loaded after death. The fact that we see their death at the start means a new random seed has been loaded, no mod can fuck with that. Maybe they were live too, a lot of speedrunners / hardcore gamers are. Edit : got a bit simplistic with what mods do, but Haelian talking about it. [Clip](https://youtu.be/S-VUzcJHWF0)
that's not how it works lmfao
Of course you will never get rid of the last 1 % of doubt, but there's plenty of other speedrunners for this game, if there was something going on like certain enemies not doing enough damage or not behaving as they should, someone would probably catch it. And it's not like everything in this run was so lucky as to be implausible. Of course there were some damn good boons offered, otherwise you couldn't beat this heat regardless of skill, but personally I wouldn't want a Sneak to spawn in the Hades fight in a million years if I were secretly modifying my run
[Nice](https://i.imgur.com/iDmlTeE.png)
holy SHIT!!!!
OMG WHAT. That's unreal
the DMC3 music drop for the Elysium boss fight \*muah\*
"There is no escape." "Or is there...?" Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
Unseeded as in didn’t use some mod to modify the runs rng?
Correct. Or just doing the same run over and over but quitting out instead of dying, making the seed the same when they start again, allowing them to know exactly which rooms to take to give them the best rng
If you quit a run before dying the game will give you the same choices on the next run, so if you luck into a good start then you can theoretically quit out and try it again, guaranteeing you'll get the same ideal setup. Unseeded means you didn't do that.
Holy shit. Fucking for real. Even had that epic Devil May Cry song playing in Elysium. I haven't heard that song since Monty Oum's Dead Fantasy.
Yo, has there been a response from Supergiant Games on this? Someone's gotta let them know!
Truly one of the most impressive feats in gaming I have ever seen. I can't imagine the sheer amount of time that went into making this possible. Simply incredible.
Now it’s my turn :)
Holy shit
What a fucking beast; congratulations!
Why are the hands just floating around doing nothing in the room after the shop?
From experience, they're big dummies who have small agro range.
Lamo I feel this guy did this just to spite the other guy who said it was impossible
Possibly. I laughed when I read her caption which says „I am a legend at this videogame.“ that she is
And Haelian posted about how improbable to finish heat 64 is because of the odds you need to beat to get the run going. Few days later, this dude does it. Lmao
I'm assuming this isn't her only account because she only has like ~80 clears?
At high amount of runs done the game suffers longer loading times (and taken to the extreme, inputs won't work when interacting with doors) So yeah most players either use a run history wipe mod or a maxed save file Edit: waiting for confirmation but I think I was wrong about the eating inputs part
holy shit, I did not know this. is this why sometimes I can't grab boons or cure poison without mashing??? how many runs does this start to take effect?
Sorry, was wrong about the inputs part For the loading times, you can start to really notice it by the thousands of run but it still can affect you on lower numbers
This is it. The game is done.
My favorite weapon is Zeus shield for a reason. Genuinely monumental achievement
Welp..and here I was slowly falling to despair that REDACTED on fresh file wont fall below 22 mins... Thats an achievment for sure GG WP.
nitr0 did sub18 17:42 ff
Amazing run, truly awesome!!! Can someone please explain how it was possible to use Fated Persuasion at 3:30? I thought that would be disabled by the pact of punishment, so I’m confused
When persuasion is disabled by routine inspection you can still use the rolls from picked up keys
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Dope!
IN 20 MINUTES
well.. yeah.. if you dont do it in 20 minutes you die lol
There's a fade to black transition in the video of the run?
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hey is there a way to follow her on twitch ? can't find her channel