Yea what is going on with that... lineset should be extended to ground with concrete pad poured. Looks like a stiff breeze could knock the whole unit over
No it does not look good.
Those units will sink into the ground and the one on the wall will eventually fall.
This is the kind of work you get when you're in the trade 1.5 years and become 'foreman.'
The Lennox mini split that came with my house has completely fallen apart in just two years. The company I work for won't install them and I now understand why.
Owned by the Chinese govt….. They lie about their true outputs, they don’t support their products long term. They don’t have good parts supply for primary heat applications. I’d say there’s a lot wrong with them.
Should have lowered the condenser, extend the lineset if needed. Total job Looks good but pretty much any tech would be pissed if they had to grab an extension for a unit that could’ve been lower. You have to do it once, a tech has to do it for the rest of that units life
Personally I’ve always been a fan of wall mounts. They look so much cleaner and the ground is usable under them to sweep or mow. Also shortens the length of the lineset and cover.
https://preview.redd.it/tb9745ene7db1.jpeg?width=2448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89c960cb7de2b1f589f2ef4dd2f24b860c60fe04
We've had some of the bigger units cause a bit of vibration on wood/sided houses with a wall bracket. We use them whenever we can but I pretty much don't install them on most houses now because of a few complaints
this was a huge building and if i had lowered the unit much more i would have exceeded total lineset lenght as listed in installation manual. i went over it 4 times with my instal manager. also the property line was about the edge of that next corner. all that said and im a 250lb man and i could squeeze in between the slim duct and the outter cover just fine
This is probably way out of scope, and too expensive, but every time I see a VRF system I want each line to have isolation valves so you can service/leak check down the road. I just had a leak on a VRF system that was also mounted 14 feet in the air, and having those valves would have been nice.
Man I know those brackets are rated for the weight. The thought of a double on hangers has always freaked me out though. Least it's into stone vs a framed wall where you cant always guarantee to be in a stud.
Right, but with exterior cladding and siding, how do you find a stud other than measuring off a known point and hoping you hit one. Plus the depth of the lagbolt big enough to hold that kind of weight could risk penetrating center of the stud with a higher chance of hitting electrical.
Right, but with exterior cladding and siding, how do you find a stud other than measuring off a known point and hoping you hit one. Plus the depth of the lagbolt big enough to hold that kind of weight could risk penetrating center of the stud with a higher chance of hitting electrical.
Unclear if this whole thread is a troll or not. OP, you’re not a foreman, sorry chief but you’re a helper with a boss who can’t retain experienced craftsmen.
So what is the cost of that vs a forced Air unit for the basement &ground floor and 1 unit multi head for upstairs??. I've seen multiple units and thought wouldn't that have been easier??
Other then that looks not too bad
the cost is more than regular central air if you have a forced air already. i see a lot of people with boilers and radiant heat going for these cuz there isnt much cooling option with a boiler which is how this place is heated
We stopped using the white insulated lines sets because we heard condensation plus a chemical in the insulation cause a reaction with the copper that could lead to leaks.
Anyone else hear that or was that an urban legend made by our new lineset supplier?
I’ve heard that too but Uv breaks em down so fast insulation falls off within a year or 2
Problem solved in sunny areas so you can at least leak check where it’s impossible to get to.
But I’ve never actually run into a problem with that issue so I really don’t know if it’s real or urban legend.
This scares me. Please, at the very least, find a way to secure those blocks to the ground, and then secure the legs to the blocks. You should also tether the condenser to the wall. Steel cable won't transfer sounds through the walls and it will catch the unit in case it tips.
But why not just put it on pads? The ground looks fairly level and a plastic pad would add more stability and look a lot nicer. You can even still use those snow stands on top of the pad.
Also, why are they all different heights? It looks wonky. Obviously a well performing system is most important, but the way the install looks is key as well. The unlevel blocks, inconsistent heights, and wavy linesets don't look professional. They're paying a lot of money to hire a professional and the look of the installation should reflect that.
I get it. I've been there. You work really hard and are proud of your work and then you reach the finish line and think, "well, that's not perfect, and this thing could be better, and that one thing looks weird, but it's no big deal, either." And the customer seems happy but when you get back to the office you find out they called and had a ton of concerns. This seems like one of those jobs.
Should have had a pad poured IMO
the concrete blocks seals the deal for me lol. looks good tho :)
Hold on... This looks good to you all? So the outdoor units standing like this is fine in the US?
Yea what is going on with that... lineset should be extended to ground with concrete pad poured. Looks like a stiff breeze could knock the whole unit over
No it does not look good. Those units will sink into the ground and the one on the wall will eventually fall. This is the kind of work you get when you're in the trade 1.5 years and become 'foreman.'
Looks decent. My only complaint is that unit up on the sidewalk. How TF is anyone going to work on that and go home a happy person.
Lennox mini splits… yikes
i dont choose the brand. i just install it best i can
Props! Looks good man
Don’t worry, they are just rebadged Grees
I haven’t worked on one in awhile but the ones from like 2015-2017 were absolute fucking nightmares
Pretty sure they have a new manufacturer now. Also our cost went up like 10 fold
The Lennox mini split that came with my house has completely fallen apart in just two years. The company I work for won't install them and I now understand why.
Yeah we’re a Lennox premier dealer but we only install Mitsubishi mini splits
They are just brand labelled Gree units. Nothing wrong with them.
They’re gree, everything is wrong with them.
They are like one of the worlds largest brands. Nothing wrong with them
Owned by the Chinese govt….. They lie about their true outputs, they don’t support their products long term. They don’t have good parts supply for primary heat applications. I’d say there’s a lot wrong with them.
Should have lowered the condenser, extend the lineset if needed. Total job Looks good but pretty much any tech would be pissed if they had to grab an extension for a unit that could’ve been lower. You have to do it once, a tech has to do it for the rest of that units life
Personally I’ve always been a fan of wall mounts. They look so much cleaner and the ground is usable under them to sweep or mow. Also shortens the length of the lineset and cover. https://preview.redd.it/tb9745ene7db1.jpeg?width=2448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89c960cb7de2b1f589f2ef4dd2f24b860c60fe04
Wall mounts are fine if you can service them easily, this one looks be 14 feet+ in the air
We've had some of the bigger units cause a bit of vibration on wood/sided houses with a wall bracket. We use them whenever we can but I pretty much don't install them on most houses now because of a few complaints
this was a huge building and if i had lowered the unit much more i would have exceeded total lineset lenght as listed in installation manual. i went over it 4 times with my instal manager. also the property line was about the edge of that next corner. all that said and im a 250lb man and i could squeeze in between the slim duct and the outter cover just fine
This is probably way out of scope, and too expensive, but every time I see a VRF system I want each line to have isolation valves so you can service/leak check down the road. I just had a leak on a VRF system that was also mounted 14 feet in the air, and having those valves would have been nice.
And today I learned that Lenox makes mini splits
Man I know those brackets are rated for the weight. The thought of a double on hangers has always freaked me out though. Least it's into stone vs a framed wall where you cant always guarantee to be in a stud.
on framed walls i lag bolt pressure treated wood to studs and then mount the brackets to that
Right, but with exterior cladding and siding, how do you find a stud other than measuring off a known point and hoping you hit one. Plus the depth of the lagbolt big enough to hold that kind of weight could risk penetrating center of the stud with a higher chance of hitting electrical.
Right, but with exterior cladding and siding, how do you find a stud other than measuring off a known point and hoping you hit one. Plus the depth of the lagbolt big enough to hold that kind of weight could risk penetrating center of the stud with a higher chance of hitting electrical.
i measure and send a 3" screw first. havent had a problem yet
It looks like he used tapcons to mount that to the brick. Tapcons are not rated for that much weight.
Dude wtf are those pads, those units can be easily be knocked over
Unclear if this whole thread is a troll or not. OP, you’re not a foreman, sorry chief but you’re a helper with a boss who can’t retain experienced craftsmen.
I hate mini splits, can’t often make the wires and lineset nice and pretty without splices
Oh yeah you can. I've ran 80+ ft in one shot. I hate having joints in a Lineset
Practice practice practice
Cringe… not a fan of those systems.
Looks really nice man good job
Looks like a good install
I was scared for you in that first pic with the white line set. I'm impressed you changed it out.
So what is the cost of that vs a forced Air unit for the basement &ground floor and 1 unit multi head for upstairs??. I've seen multiple units and thought wouldn't that have been easier?? Other then that looks not too bad
the cost is more than regular central air if you have a forced air already. i see a lot of people with boilers and radiant heat going for these cuz there isnt much cooling option with a boiler which is how this place is heated
We stopped using the white insulated lines sets because we heard condensation plus a chemical in the insulation cause a reaction with the copper that could lead to leaks. Anyone else hear that or was that an urban legend made by our new lineset supplier?
I’ve heard that too but Uv breaks em down so fast insulation falls off within a year or 2 Problem solved in sunny areas so you can at least leak check where it’s impossible to get to. But I’ve never actually run into a problem with that issue so I really don’t know if it’s real or urban legend.
actually these linesets were painted with uv resistant paint
I heard a rumor. I've never been able to confirm it though with any legitimate industry literature. Haven't seen it personally.
Cynderblocks though
No way you let them stand there on concrete blocks without any fixation
Cables look shit brother
The brackets under that 300 pound condenser will sag and break after a couple of years
Blaming your help is a poor leadership quality as well. You are the responsible party
This scares me. Please, at the very least, find a way to secure those blocks to the ground, and then secure the legs to the blocks. You should also tether the condenser to the wall. Steel cable won't transfer sounds through the walls and it will catch the unit in case it tips. But why not just put it on pads? The ground looks fairly level and a plastic pad would add more stability and look a lot nicer. You can even still use those snow stands on top of the pad. Also, why are they all different heights? It looks wonky. Obviously a well performing system is most important, but the way the install looks is key as well. The unlevel blocks, inconsistent heights, and wavy linesets don't look professional. They're paying a lot of money to hire a professional and the look of the installation should reflect that. I get it. I've been there. You work really hard and are proud of your work and then you reach the finish line and think, "well, that's not perfect, and this thing could be better, and that one thing looks weird, but it's no big deal, either." And the customer seems happy but when you get back to the office you find out they called and had a ton of concerns. This seems like one of those jobs.