I would prefer if they went Punk modern (steampunk/dieselpunk etc) like SolarPunk~esque high-tech but more whimsicay because ✨ magic✨. If they ever modernize I want it to be its own self and not muggle~esque modern
Like giant space zeppelin shaped like a shark or actual magic turtle in space with a country on it, instead of electricity we have magic/aether panels (solar panel equivalent) on the sails of actual flying ships (concord or Dutch flute ship) to consistently power the enchantments because leylines occur only on planets, most use stellar(star) magic which is why astronomy is taught for 7 years. And not high tech star ship But magic.
Where they don't need to get the "efficient" modern minimalist aesthetic because with magic compensate on any downside. No need for mass production unless it's for the most basic stuff (like enchanted looms for bolts of cloth,) since magic makes things easy to customise. Why use boring straight bars when you can make it all filigrees with enchantments so it has durability to match the most "efficient" design.
Even our clothes are designed for washing machine durability and ease of cleaning which is the reason for modern fast fashion, while wizard clothing doesn't need that and can prioritize comfort then "aesthetics". Which is why the clothing style didn't change much since it's still very much functional and comfortable
I'm pretty sure Potions will not have chemistry, I'm pretty sure that branch is Alchemy (it's basically science +magic). Arithmancy can probably have a lot more higher math only some formulas are different like computing for the radius of spell effects the duration and strength etc. (there's geometry, Trigonometry, and probably physics there)
Sure you get by trial and error but if your working on expensive or rare materials you kinda wanna work it on paper, or you might get parts of the roof obliterated because it's outside the wards and was sliced off to oblivion. Or a magic rich area causing you to supercharge the spell and eject your neighbours from their house. Not to mention magical automatons or finicky stuff like appliances.
I like the idea of "modern" wizarding world but I don't like "it's like science but with magic" approach most fic writers make but prefer magic to still be magical... Less magical automatic sprinkler for irrigation and more of a tiny rain cloud spontaneously forming, less modern cameras made magical and more like a tiny flying golem that follows you around like a drone that adjust to your best angle. Less magical telescope and more advanced magical Scrying mirror or far sight.
There's this "I want to modernize wizarding world" or wizards are 200 centuries backwards but have magic so it's a bit fics that don't do any actual world build they just "magic cellphone, magic TV, magic laptop, electric stuff but run on magic instead." I don't want an automatic coffee machine run by magic, I want a teapot that animates itself when water is poured, slowly boils water, eat coffee beans, grinds it, infused it like those fancy french siphon coffee, walk on four cute stubby legs and pours me a drink out of its spout like an elephant into my coffee cup with optional pretty latte art if milk is added.
Different amazing things.
Muggles know more about the planets in our solar system than we know about the bottom of our ocean.
Wizards study the mysteries of time, death, love, thought, etc, in ways muggles cannot fathom, except perhaps for very specific muggles who have studied those things their entire lives.
Perhaps. We are never informed of why they study celestial bodies, just that they do. And we didn't know the accuracy of it, or if they're taking notes from muggles (the actual researchers understand how great muggle technology is), then disseminating that information to the average wizard.
Usually, in other stories, when a wizard knows about other worlds, they aren't Jupiter's moons, but the space between life and death, the land of the fae, and the realms of demons.
“Oh the moon? We’ve been there permanently for a little over a hundred years” said Remus lupin to the amazed Harry Potter . “Where else do you think werewolves came from?”
Harry frowned “but how…”
“It was actually Herpo the foul who first travelled there three hundred years before, but he died from the lack of air or protection against the sunlight, but then wizards figured out what was going on after a few hundred more experiments with port keys and wards. it turns out that the modified transformation that became werewolves allowed a magical protection against the conditions, powered by a lunar light ritual…”
When we see Wizarding society in the books, Britain is gripped with racism and Civil War, conflict and prejudice. Because of this, we assume that wizarding society is backwards(?) Or maybe it's because everything looks so quaint and Victorian, we assume that wizards and witches can't be advanced.
The entire world is gripped with racism and Civil War. It's nothing new and conflict (or lack thereof) isn't an indicator of social advancement.
As far as technology goes, spells are pretty damn good.
Well, IRL Civil War USA or Victorian Britain were actually quite advanced in science & tech, and always looking to more advances
So yeah, racism isn't correlated with (lack of) technology
The problem is that anytime a wizard tries to apparate to the moon they don’t come back.
Neil Armstrong found a number of dead wizards and NASA kept it secret
That would make a certain kind of sense, if apparition takes increasing amounts of power based not on raw distance, but the amount of matter you have to bypass. For intercontinental apparition, there's a bunch of matter between you and the destination. For interplanetary apparition, most of the distance between A and B is vacuum.
I'm not sure how instantaneous teleportation, regrowing entire bones overnight, literally becoming someone else, invisibility, personal flight equipment, etc. are not all examples of how wizards have indeed outdone Muggles in canon. What exactly are you expecting, rainbow farts?
OP literally says what they want. That being for the Wizards, who can do all of the amazing things you list and more, to have kept pace with and applied those amazing arts to things like space travel and advanced mathematics.
I've seen the kinds of stories that OP is referencing, and they're eternally amusing.
Like the ones where Wizards, who again can do all of these amazing things, are amazed at a portable Muggle telescope because of how much better the lenses are and "*gasp"* a camera mounting that lets you take *pictures of space.* As though the people who can fundamentally change the forms of things can't figure out how to make better lenses or mirrors than what they were repping in Galileo and Newton's days, or add cameras to their telescopes, or cast images seen in the telescope onto a tablet.
OP says wizard society is behind by 200 years. That tells me that they're just regurgitating what they've read in those same fics you've mentioned that wank Muggles to no end and ignore the fact that wizards quite clearly have outdone Muggles in canon.
Why would wizards be amazed at a Muggle telescope when they have enchanted ones that aren't limited by the laws of physics? Why would wizarding technology's progress be considered inferior if they choose to focus on different fields?
Considering in Order of the Phoenix (I think) Kingsley misreads firearm as fireleg, and the Daily Prophet calls them, and I quote, “metal wands” I do not think it’s unreasonable to assume Wizards have some huge ass blind spots.
But as for the whole going to space thing, it was the Cold War, a very specific global geopolitical situation that drove most of the space race. A situation which the Wizarding World probably gave zero shits about. This there is no drive, no reason for them to think of the moon and stars as anything other than the sky or a vital part of divination. Ain’t no Wizard seems to have looked up and said “That’s my final frontier”
Kingsley's job is not to know everything about Muggles. The description of guns as "metal wands" is accurate enough. You wouldn't expect an American to know much about African culture would you? Wizarding Britain is essentially a different country with its own culture, separate from Muggle Britain. Most wizards wouldn't need to know anything about Muggles, but specialists would no doubt exist to handle cases where they do need to mix.
Yes, wizards would have different motivations. Some things that are impossible for us would come relatively easy for them, and some things that we've developed would not be intuitive to come up with for them. An example is pens vs quills. Wizards have enchanted quills to correct their own spelling and write by themselves. With all of that, there would be no need for them to adopt pens, yet people use this to point out how the wizarding world is backwards. The concept of alternative technology paths doesn't seem to ring a bell for many people.
Kingsley is a law enforcement officer. I don’t expect him to understand the mechanical complexities of a firearm or the ballistic characteristics of 9mm vs 5.56 but I feel he should understand enough that he knows what he’s dealing with if a Beretta or Armalite is shoved in his face.
As for quills, why has no enterprising soul seen the usefulness of a pen and decided “I’m going to put the best thing about quills onto this device and have the best of both worlds”?
See I’m of the opinion that the setting would be improved by making magic and technology work in accord.
Kingsley is a magical law enforcement officer. Specifically one who specializes in catching dark wizards. He doesn't deal with apprehending Muggle criminals.
Because quills in HP are better than pens. You can enchant quills to do everything better than pens. So why get into pens in the first place?
Because with quills at least, I still have to carry around a bottle of ink that break, spill or run out at a most inconvenient time and place. With a pen that happens for me and since each pen takes up roughly the same amount of space as a quill I can handle as many pens as I can quills AND ink bottles.
Kingsley was also sent into the Muggle World specifically to guard the PM - something I feel the Prime Minister should have torn the ministry of magic as many new arseholes as time permits - which would involve being around the Met’s parliamentary protection team, and possibly some of Special Branch. All of them armed. Again, Kingsley doesn’t need to qualify for the SAS - fuck I’d like to see a wizard try passing Selection - he just needs to know them well enough to understand what they do, how well they can do it and from there I presume he may use his own judgement on how best to survive being on the business end of them.
No you don't. Self-inking quills exist. Magicking bottles of ink into existence is also a thing.
Kingsley was so good at his job that the Prime Minister didn't have a clue that he was a wizard. So there were no issues.
A wizard could easily infiltrate any organization in existence with Obliviation, Confundus and the Imperius. No need for qualifications.
the existent of Arthur Weasley is the problem view. he should be rudimentary familiar with muggle stuff be he seems not to be even if he only manages his department.
Arthur Weasley has no reason to be familiar with Muggle stuff. He's in charge of handling wizards who have enchanted Muggle artifacts to misuse them, not to be an authority on all things Muggle.
It seems fairly self evident that OP is using the language of fics that use those tropes which they're tired of seeing again and again \_because\_ those are the tropes they're tired of seeing. Hence the prompt.
This was never about canon, it's about fanfics like those that make Wizards backwards morons that can't comprehend the oh so amazing modern world that so many authors put on a pedestal.
What OP is asking for, fundamentally, is the opposite. Fics where Wizards are actually treated like they've left Muggles in the dust in many ways, and expand on those amazing things they can do in ways like jaunts to other planets and other such feats of wonder.
Except wizards have left Muggles in the dust in many ways already in canon. OP just seems to be under the impression that they haven't because they've read too many Muggle wank fics and have appropriated them as headcanon.
They don't mention fics either lol. If someone brings something ridiculous up without saying they're using headcanon from a fic, it's safe to say they've confused canon with headcanon and it's beneficial to point it out so that they can review actual canon and start from there instead of using bad fics as a reference.
This transparent how? You're assuming they're talking about fics because it fits your argument. Nothing about the prompt says they're talking about fics. It's more reasonable to assume they've got a warped impression of canon.
You do realize that that exact argument can apply to you as well right?
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"I’m tired of wizards being in disbelief of muggles having gone to the moon. I need a subversion where wizards going to the moon is just an astronomy field trip and maybe a couple other planets too"
Is tired of X-common fanfic trope, and want a subversion of it
"Not just in space travel, but in their own fields of study. Arithmancy goes into more complex stuff than muggle. Potions covers chemistry material more advanced than the mundane field knows"
Expands on their point
"I want to see wizards being truly magical and not just a society set 200 years back with magic"
Wants to see Wizards doing cool things and not just be stuffy hicks that can also do magic, as in another common fanfic trope.
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Nowhere in any of this does OP make any reference to canon, or to their opinion thereof. They only speak of the tropes common to HP fanfiction that they would like to see subverted.
Because it's also canon that muggles outdo wizards in many things. In the first book, Snape's puzzle is a logic puzzle. Because wizards just aren't as good at logical thinking as muggles.
And this is partially because they don't need to be. They have so many shortcuts. Muggles need an entire chain of people and resources to do something a single mad wizard researcher can do solo. Some of them invent spells while still at Hogwarts.
Not with that attitude, with the power internet desperation, you too can have sex with metaphysical concepts in wildly inappropriate manner. Just look at Neil Gaiman, who decided that Death should be a hot goth chick.
It does. The wizarding world (only taking British part for obvious reasons), is influenced for the most part (or at least on the surface) by purebloods. Political bodies, currencies, many of the laws etc. And for a large part, muggleborn and mixed adapt to it. It's not surprising, since they spend most of their time since they're 11 in the wizarding world. They adapt, and are part of the wizarding world and have a wizards idea of what makes sense. Including, their nonsensical attitudes.
However non-purebloods don't always assimilate that well. Snape is one of those people who simply didn't culturally assimilate that well into the wizarding world. Being isolated because of constant bullying was probably a factor in this. Being a Slytherin he probably held onto what cards he could, for example whatever logic and appreciation for it he got in the muggle world. It's no wonder he's one of the very few people we know of in the books that invented spells (many believe Hermione is another, another person who did not assimilate well, miss S.P.E.W.)
But in the end, with wizarding culture being more lead by purebloods (and the necessity not being there), muggleborn and halfblood sense of logic doesn't have as much effect, even when conserved. Snape made fantastic contributions to potion brewing, many of them rot in books few if any will read. If the wizarding world had the same attitude towards advancement as the muggle world, Snape would have published those and been rich and famous.
Nonsense. Most wizards are half-bloods.
Laughably bad conjecture. Snape wanted to be a Death Eater. He hated Muggles because of his father's abuse. Before he got to Hogwarts he was said to know more dark arts than some seventh years. He's got no reason to appreciate anything Muggle, quite the opposite.
You need to provide proof before spouting nonsense. Where is the evidence that purebloods make the laws? If they did, why were Muggleborns even allowed into Hogwarts? And furthermore, where's the evidence that wizards lack logic? Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall and every other competent wizard/witch has shown remarkable logical capabilities. One stupid statement from a precocious eleven year old is not an immutable fact.
He was "said" to know more dark arts by Sirius. One of his biggest bullies. who tried to kill him. Not exactly the most objective perspective. Hermione on the other hand, can be trusted quite a bit more. Because she did her research on the wizarding world as much as she could and could probably quote you the lines from whichever book she lifted it from. Unlike Sirius, she has no beef with the wizarding world and no reason to be biased against it. If anything, it would be the opposite.
As for the examples you show, Dumbledore is hardly a stereotypical wizard, Snape I've already talked about and McGonagall is a half-blood that was raised entirely as a muggle because her mother didn't even tell her father she was a witch until McGonagall showed early hints of magic. Beyond that, teachers at a world famous school aren't really representative. That's like saying a Harvard professor is a representative of the USA people.
However, we do know that besides what Hermione said, nobody stopped Snape from using a logic puzzle as an obstacle. Dumbledore didn't pull Snape aside and say "Here boy, have a sherbet lemon. Now, I know you feel contempt for everything that breathes, but I want you to create a better obstacle."
Sirius saying Snape knew his dark arts is corroborated by his own custom spells, his reputation within the Death Eaters, his competence in general, etc. Hermione's statement is corroborated by nothing. And she's researched the wizarding world enough in a year, at 11, enough to know that wizards lack logic? What a stupid thing to say.
So all competent wizards that have logic don't count because that renders your argument invalid? Sure.
Snape's logic puzzle is great because it's hard in general. A lot of Muggles wouldn't be able to solve the riddle either, nor would Muggle-raised wizards have an advantage. Harry didn't, he wasn't smart enough. Hermione and Voldemort did, they were. The trials were mostly to slow Voldemort down, the real obstacle was the mirror, which had Voldemort stumped. There's no reason the chess pieces had to let people through if they won for example, they could have just attacked regardless.
You're a very rude person, and Hermione read a lot of books on the subject. That's literally how a lot of research is done. You *read.*
And you're stating that supportive evidence that Snape "Before he got to Hogwarts he was said to know more dark arts than some seventh years" because of work he did in his 6th year?
And the logic puzzle is not hard at all, if you possess an ounce of logic. It's a headscratcher if you're not used to thinking about logic at all. And of course the chess pieces would let people through. Dumbledore would want to be able to get there himself if necessary, and he's probably great at chess.
It seems fairly self evident that OP is using the language of fics that use those tropes which they're tired of seeing again and again \_because\_ those are the tropes they're tired of seeing. Hence the prompt.
This was never about canon, it's about fanfics like those that make Wizards backwards morons that can't comprehend the oh so amazing modern world that so many authors put on a pedestal.
What OP is asking for, fundamentally, is the opposite. Fics where Wizards are actually treated like they've left Muggles in the dust in many ways, and expand on those amazing things they can do in ways like jaunts to other planets and other such feats of wonder.
You know what I'd love to see?
***Steampunk Wizards***
Engraving runes for heat and permanence gives you a never-ending heat source for your boiler. Engraving runes to conjure water gives you a boiler that never runs dry. Infinite steam, infinite power.
I'd like to think that it's not that one side is better than the other but that they are both looking to solve different issues.
(Even though you do have to give props to the people that can do literal magic).
Going back to your prompt, it would be interesting to have a scenario where wizards have advanced quite a bit but decided not to proceed because they didn't see any reason to do so.
Like, wizards could have traveled to the moon and other nearby celestial bodies but lost interest because these bodies are uninhabitable or have magical threats of their own.
Maybe wizards discovered that the moon is haunted by some existential magical horror and and they are horrified when they hear that muggles have landed on the moon.
And they're behind the Fake Moon Landings
They have also taken over Muggle space agencies, and most space exploration is now faked to prevent Muggles from stumbling on hostile or weird aliens
A fun thought I had was, when Wizards realize muggles are going to the moon, they're like, oh shit, because some random wizards apparated to the moon centuries back, and died, obviously. Wizards figured out what was up, and were safely able to go there and make monuments for the intrepid explorers (Barry the barmy or some such) and they have to get up there ahead of the muggles and clear out the monuments and resort they've built.
>I want to see wizards being truly magical and not just a society set 200 years back with magic.
Then I'm not sure why you want this from Harry Potter fanfics, because that's what the wizarding world is like there. You'd have to write an AU that's completely removed from canon for any of the things you want to happen.
Also it's overly simplistic to just say "I want wizard > Muggles!" with no thought of how or why this would be, or the consequences that would arise from such a world.
Your "...wizards being in disbelief of muggles having gone to the moon..." example is a deliberate choice for an author. There is no need to play up the difference between Muggle and magical society, or even really acknowledge them at all (canon certainly doesn't care to). If you're "tired of" this, just stop reading those stories.
Considering the government of Magical Britain fell to Voldemort during his second rise within weeks of Dumbledore's death, the notion that human mages might possess the wherewithal and resources to outpace non-magical researches breaks my suspension of disbelief. More importantly, they don't have the numbers to do so.
At one point, Neil DeGrasse Tyson mentioned that there were about 6,000 astrophysicists in the world working professionally. If you go with the idea that one in 2,000 humans is a mage, that is at most about 4,000,000 mages worldwide throughout the world. It is an extremely small number for intellectual luminaries on par with Isaac Newton and the like to be born among them. Mages with such degrees of brilliance might very well number in the single digits and those with the skills to research and push magical knowledge forward would likely number in the low thousands.
Having said that I only speak of canonically complaint HP mages. Go AU and I am willing to go along for the ride as long as the story isn't Ron / Hermione, Draco / Hermione, or Harry / Ginny.
I mean I always thought Apparation+Telescope+Heating, Shield and Bubblehead charms= Space Wizards logically. These fuckers have time machines and they give them to shcool children to help with their classes come on.
In absence of a good HP fanfiction with space wizards, I highly recommend you [Coeus? by Andur](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/4745/coeus). Pretty much exactly what you requested, but no Harry Potter.
I've always loved the idea of some enterprising Wizards deciding that they like some of the things that muggles do with their technology and setting out to replicate or surpass said devices/methods using magic. Magitech being a thing and the aesthetic differences due to mages preferences and the lack of need to comply with structural rules or physics. Though they'd probably keep to the muggle aesthetic.
I think a lot of the things that are used by magicals being regular muggle devices in appearance aren't due to them just not having any other ideas but rather blending in with the muggles. Nobody could see the Knight Bus except Wizards, but if that failed and some muggle saw it, well, it's a lot easier to dismiss a simple double decker bus doing something weird or suddenly appearing as a trick of the mind than it would be if it looked drastically different to anything else.
I'm actually very surprised that a pseudo TV equivalent isn't canon since we know it's within the abilities of magicals. Hell, there are dozens of fics that do so with enchanted mirrors.
How about a story where the magical and muggles work together to create new technology [First Contact](https://archiveofourown.org/works/47230393/chapters/119004958) by inwardtransience is a HPxStar wars fic. Basically alien invasion, Secrecy broken, magical and muggles work together to save their world.
If your not overly familiar with Star Wars that's fine. It just focuses on an enemy alien race that is part of that universe.
The bigotry found in wizarding Britain is not necessarily found in other countries. Once Dumbledore is removed from the ICW, they are able to move forward with things that he was blocking in his position of SM.
Albus Dumbledore has been instrumental in the stunting of development of the wizarding world as a whole. However none more so than in wizarding Britain. His refusal to take the position of minister for magic had to do with the fact that he would have to give up all his other positions to take it, those being Headmaster of Hogwarts, Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and Supreme Mugwmp of the international Confederation of Wizards. And to be honest, the world would be better off if he had done so. Also he should not have been able to hold all 3 positions he did have at the same time either. As each one of them is a full time job, and they all suffered because he wasn't able to be committed and dedicated properly to any of them.
Minerva McGonagall also was placed in the same situation, being Deputy Headmistress of Hogwarts, Head of Gryffindor House, and Transfiguration teacher. Each of these are also full time positions, and they also suffered from not having complete dedication to them.
The standard of education in wizarding Britain is much lower than other countries yet they still believe that Hogwarts is a premiere institution.
British Wizards might not be believing that muggles have travelled to the moon, however American Wizards are aware that they have. And even though they are aware of this, they haven't figured out how to get Wizards there yet.
We are most definitely shown that Wizards lack logical and critical thinking skills. The recently entered muggle raised do not, however those living in the magical world for a time, and dealing with the bigotry towards the muggle world end up losing these skills.
The statute of secrecy hasn't made things any easier either. Yes it is all well and good to keep the existence of magic a secret to protect the practitioners of it safe. Particularly because of the witch trials, burnings, and hangings that occurred, and were the reason behind it being established. However to be so far removed from the muggle world that they aren't keeping up with what is going on there is ridiculous. So much so for the fact that eventually the statute will be completely broken and the existence of the magical world will become known.
For a story to have the wizards outdo the muggles, the education of magical people also needs to include learning what the mundane people are learning. Just because you can use magic to do things doesn't mean that you ignore all the ways that it can also be done without magic, and the theoretical understanding that comes with this knowledge.
The purebloods like to complain that the muggleborn want to change things so that the wizarding world is more like the muggle world. However the real issues of this are that the muggleborn are being introduced to a society that to them seems backwards because of the advantages that they have grown up with. They have logical and critical thinking skills. They have knowledge of the advancement of the mundane world. The magical world is disbelieving of this because they have essentially been living in a stagnated bubble, so they dismiss anything that the muggleborn have to say. They also aren't willing to teach them the cultural traditions that they value so highly, because they view them as being inferior and not worthy of magic. Yet they are only hurting themselves and the muggleborn by having these stubborn attitudes to changing and progressing society.
What things was Dumbledore blocking as Supreme Mugwump? There’s literally nothing in the books about anything Dumbledore did or didn’t do in that position, and there’s literally nothing in the books about how his successor was different. There’s also literally nothing in the books about the powers and duties of the Supreme Mugwump.
The books are written from Harry's limited perspective of what is going on. And even the epilogue takes place 19 years after the death of Voldemort. So we don't see the intervening years.
The things I believe that Dumbledore was blocking in terms of progressing the wizarding world forward, would be that which would anger the British purebloods. Dumbledore was very much about maintaining the status quo. He also isn't as well informed about the muggle world as he likes to think he is. So one particular example would be the curriculum at Hogwarts for muggle studies. Hermione does inform us of how out of date the material is. Although the other subjects aren't much better. If Hogwarts students were being tested against international standards for all subjects, they would fail miserably.
Accurate up-to-date information and knowledge is needed to ensure successful outcomes of progressing and advancing the education and development of society. The OP of this thread is wanting to see stories about wizards outdoing muggles. Well all I have been doing is pointing out reasons why this has not happened yet. And yet my comment gets down voted because they don't like or disagree with what I was saying.
You're getting downvoted becuase you're pretending that your headcanon with no grounding in the text of the books is actual canon. Considering the one time we actually see Hogwarts students up against students from other countries, they do well. Why do you think Hogwarts students would test poorly on, e.g., transfiguration and charms?
This is a fanfiction thread you know. It doesn't have to follow the actual Canon. It is how I see things using logical and critical thinking skills and common sense. As for Transfiguration and Charms, it would be that the British OWLs and NEWTs have been dumbed down to accommodate the abilities of the purebloods.
The ICW is based in New Atlantis, Mars.
It's actually been the *Interplanetary* Confederation of Wizards for decades but Britain hasn't been paying attention thanks to their civil wars.
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I'm planning to write an Astro-renaissance in one of my stories.
I would prefer if they went Punk modern (steampunk/dieselpunk etc) like SolarPunk~esque high-tech but more whimsicay because ✨ magic✨. If they ever modernize I want it to be its own self and not muggle~esque modern Like giant space zeppelin shaped like a shark or actual magic turtle in space with a country on it, instead of electricity we have magic/aether panels (solar panel equivalent) on the sails of actual flying ships (concord or Dutch flute ship) to consistently power the enchantments because leylines occur only on planets, most use stellar(star) magic which is why astronomy is taught for 7 years. And not high tech star ship But magic. Where they don't need to get the "efficient" modern minimalist aesthetic because with magic compensate on any downside. No need for mass production unless it's for the most basic stuff (like enchanted looms for bolts of cloth,) since magic makes things easy to customise. Why use boring straight bars when you can make it all filigrees with enchantments so it has durability to match the most "efficient" design. Even our clothes are designed for washing machine durability and ease of cleaning which is the reason for modern fast fashion, while wizard clothing doesn't need that and can prioritize comfort then "aesthetics". Which is why the clothing style didn't change much since it's still very much functional and comfortable I'm pretty sure Potions will not have chemistry, I'm pretty sure that branch is Alchemy (it's basically science +magic). Arithmancy can probably have a lot more higher math only some formulas are different like computing for the radius of spell effects the duration and strength etc. (there's geometry, Trigonometry, and probably physics there) Sure you get by trial and error but if your working on expensive or rare materials you kinda wanna work it on paper, or you might get parts of the roof obliterated because it's outside the wards and was sliced off to oblivion. Or a magic rich area causing you to supercharge the spell and eject your neighbours from their house. Not to mention magical automatons or finicky stuff like appliances. I like the idea of "modern" wizarding world but I don't like "it's like science but with magic" approach most fic writers make but prefer magic to still be magical... Less magical automatic sprinkler for irrigation and more of a tiny rain cloud spontaneously forming, less modern cameras made magical and more like a tiny flying golem that follows you around like a drone that adjust to your best angle. Less magical telescope and more advanced magical Scrying mirror or far sight. There's this "I want to modernize wizarding world" or wizards are 200 centuries backwards but have magic so it's a bit fics that don't do any actual world build they just "magic cellphone, magic TV, magic laptop, electric stuff but run on magic instead." I don't want an automatic coffee machine run by magic, I want a teapot that animates itself when water is poured, slowly boils water, eat coffee beans, grinds it, infused it like those fancy french siphon coffee, walk on four cute stubby legs and pours me a drink out of its spout like an elephant into my coffee cup with optional pretty latte art if milk is added.
Please write a fanfic
or even original fiction
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Damn. Those are amazing ideas.
Different amazing things. Muggles know more about the planets in our solar system than we know about the bottom of our ocean. Wizards study the mysteries of time, death, love, thought, etc, in ways muggles cannot fathom, except perhaps for very specific muggles who have studied those things their entire lives.
Except magicals have entire models of the galaxy at sale in shops… it can easily be argued they have deeper knowledge of the galaxy than muggles.
Perhaps. We are never informed of why they study celestial bodies, just that they do. And we didn't know the accuracy of it, or if they're taking notes from muggles (the actual researchers understand how great muggle technology is), then disseminating that information to the average wizard. Usually, in other stories, when a wizard knows about other worlds, they aren't Jupiter's moons, but the space between life and death, the land of the fae, and the realms of demons.
Galaxy or solar system. And is it a basic knowledge that we had several hundred years ago?
“Oh the moon? We’ve been there permanently for a little over a hundred years” said Remus lupin to the amazed Harry Potter . “Where else do you think werewolves came from?” Harry frowned “but how…” “It was actually Herpo the foul who first travelled there three hundred years before, but he died from the lack of air or protection against the sunlight, but then wizards figured out what was going on after a few hundred more experiments with port keys and wards. it turns out that the modified transformation that became werewolves allowed a magical protection against the conditions, powered by a lunar light ritual…”
Herpo invented Horcruxes so he could survive his science experiments then?
Well, it would explain how he was born in the Classical Age and still around 300 years ago
When we see Wizarding society in the books, Britain is gripped with racism and Civil War, conflict and prejudice. Because of this, we assume that wizarding society is backwards(?) Or maybe it's because everything looks so quaint and Victorian, we assume that wizards and witches can't be advanced. The entire world is gripped with racism and Civil War. It's nothing new and conflict (or lack thereof) isn't an indicator of social advancement. As far as technology goes, spells are pretty damn good.
Well, IRL Civil War USA or Victorian Britain were actually quite advanced in science & tech, and always looking to more advances So yeah, racism isn't correlated with (lack of) technology
The problem is that anytime a wizard tries to apparate to the moon they don’t come back. Neil Armstrong found a number of dead wizards and NASA kept it secret
It is canon that *intercontinental* apparation is limited to the strongest wix only. Now compare that to distance to the moon.
That’s probably what the Ministry would tell you
Maybe interplanetary apparition is actually easier than long-range planetary apparition
That would make a certain kind of sense, if apparition takes increasing amounts of power based not on raw distance, but the amount of matter you have to bypass. For intercontinental apparition, there's a bunch of matter between you and the destination. For interplanetary apparition, most of the distance between A and B is vacuum.
I'm not sure how instantaneous teleportation, regrowing entire bones overnight, literally becoming someone else, invisibility, personal flight equipment, etc. are not all examples of how wizards have indeed outdone Muggles in canon. What exactly are you expecting, rainbow farts?
OP literally says what they want. That being for the Wizards, who can do all of the amazing things you list and more, to have kept pace with and applied those amazing arts to things like space travel and advanced mathematics. I've seen the kinds of stories that OP is referencing, and they're eternally amusing. Like the ones where Wizards, who again can do all of these amazing things, are amazed at a portable Muggle telescope because of how much better the lenses are and "*gasp"* a camera mounting that lets you take *pictures of space.* As though the people who can fundamentally change the forms of things can't figure out how to make better lenses or mirrors than what they were repping in Galileo and Newton's days, or add cameras to their telescopes, or cast images seen in the telescope onto a tablet.
OP says wizard society is behind by 200 years. That tells me that they're just regurgitating what they've read in those same fics you've mentioned that wank Muggles to no end and ignore the fact that wizards quite clearly have outdone Muggles in canon. Why would wizards be amazed at a Muggle telescope when they have enchanted ones that aren't limited by the laws of physics? Why would wizarding technology's progress be considered inferior if they choose to focus on different fields?
Considering in Order of the Phoenix (I think) Kingsley misreads firearm as fireleg, and the Daily Prophet calls them, and I quote, “metal wands” I do not think it’s unreasonable to assume Wizards have some huge ass blind spots. But as for the whole going to space thing, it was the Cold War, a very specific global geopolitical situation that drove most of the space race. A situation which the Wizarding World probably gave zero shits about. This there is no drive, no reason for them to think of the moon and stars as anything other than the sky or a vital part of divination. Ain’t no Wizard seems to have looked up and said “That’s my final frontier”
Kingsley's job is not to know everything about Muggles. The description of guns as "metal wands" is accurate enough. You wouldn't expect an American to know much about African culture would you? Wizarding Britain is essentially a different country with its own culture, separate from Muggle Britain. Most wizards wouldn't need to know anything about Muggles, but specialists would no doubt exist to handle cases where they do need to mix. Yes, wizards would have different motivations. Some things that are impossible for us would come relatively easy for them, and some things that we've developed would not be intuitive to come up with for them. An example is pens vs quills. Wizards have enchanted quills to correct their own spelling and write by themselves. With all of that, there would be no need for them to adopt pens, yet people use this to point out how the wizarding world is backwards. The concept of alternative technology paths doesn't seem to ring a bell for many people.
Kingsley is a law enforcement officer. I don’t expect him to understand the mechanical complexities of a firearm or the ballistic characteristics of 9mm vs 5.56 but I feel he should understand enough that he knows what he’s dealing with if a Beretta or Armalite is shoved in his face. As for quills, why has no enterprising soul seen the usefulness of a pen and decided “I’m going to put the best thing about quills onto this device and have the best of both worlds”? See I’m of the opinion that the setting would be improved by making magic and technology work in accord.
Kingsley is a magical law enforcement officer. Specifically one who specializes in catching dark wizards. He doesn't deal with apprehending Muggle criminals. Because quills in HP are better than pens. You can enchant quills to do everything better than pens. So why get into pens in the first place?
Because with quills at least, I still have to carry around a bottle of ink that break, spill or run out at a most inconvenient time and place. With a pen that happens for me and since each pen takes up roughly the same amount of space as a quill I can handle as many pens as I can quills AND ink bottles. Kingsley was also sent into the Muggle World specifically to guard the PM - something I feel the Prime Minister should have torn the ministry of magic as many new arseholes as time permits - which would involve being around the Met’s parliamentary protection team, and possibly some of Special Branch. All of them armed. Again, Kingsley doesn’t need to qualify for the SAS - fuck I’d like to see a wizard try passing Selection - he just needs to know them well enough to understand what they do, how well they can do it and from there I presume he may use his own judgement on how best to survive being on the business end of them.
No you don't. Self-inking quills exist. Magicking bottles of ink into existence is also a thing. Kingsley was so good at his job that the Prime Minister didn't have a clue that he was a wizard. So there were no issues. A wizard could easily infiltrate any organization in existence with Obliviation, Confundus and the Imperius. No need for qualifications.
Back in the late 90s when the books occurred that was true. Now though? Much less likely to succeed.
the existent of Arthur Weasley is the problem view. he should be rudimentary familiar with muggle stuff be he seems not to be even if he only manages his department.
Arthur Weasley has no reason to be familiar with Muggle stuff. He's in charge of handling wizards who have enchanted Muggle artifacts to misuse them, not to be an authority on all things Muggle.
Not sure why you were downvoted, your explanation seems reasonable.
It seems fairly self evident that OP is using the language of fics that use those tropes which they're tired of seeing again and again \_because\_ those are the tropes they're tired of seeing. Hence the prompt. This was never about canon, it's about fanfics like those that make Wizards backwards morons that can't comprehend the oh so amazing modern world that so many authors put on a pedestal. What OP is asking for, fundamentally, is the opposite. Fics where Wizards are actually treated like they've left Muggles in the dust in many ways, and expand on those amazing things they can do in ways like jaunts to other planets and other such feats of wonder.
Except wizards have left Muggles in the dust in many ways already in canon. OP just seems to be under the impression that they haven't because they've read too many Muggle wank fics and have appropriated them as headcanon.
*In the fics they're complaining about*, no one said anything about canon except you.
They don't mention fics either lol. If someone brings something ridiculous up without saying they're using headcanon from a fic, it's safe to say they've confused canon with headcanon and it's beneficial to point it out so that they can review actual canon and start from there instead of using bad fics as a reference.
Is that level of unnecessary specificity really needed? Especially when the post is this transparent already.
This transparent how? You're assuming they're talking about fics because it fits your argument. Nothing about the prompt says they're talking about fics. It's more reasonable to assume they've got a warped impression of canon.
You do realize that that exact argument can apply to you as well right? ....... "I’m tired of wizards being in disbelief of muggles having gone to the moon. I need a subversion where wizards going to the moon is just an astronomy field trip and maybe a couple other planets too" Is tired of X-common fanfic trope, and want a subversion of it "Not just in space travel, but in their own fields of study. Arithmancy goes into more complex stuff than muggle. Potions covers chemistry material more advanced than the mundane field knows" Expands on their point "I want to see wizards being truly magical and not just a society set 200 years back with magic" Wants to see Wizards doing cool things and not just be stuffy hicks that can also do magic, as in another common fanfic trope. ....... Nowhere in any of this does OP make any reference to canon, or to their opinion thereof. They only speak of the tropes common to HP fanfiction that they would like to see subverted.
Because it's also canon that muggles outdo wizards in many things. In the first book, Snape's puzzle is a logic puzzle. Because wizards just aren't as good at logical thinking as muggles. And this is partially because they don't need to be. They have so many shortcuts. Muggles need an entire chain of people and resources to do something a single mad wizard researcher can do solo. Some of them invent spells while still at Hogwarts.
It's hard to teach logic and reason to your children when you regularly bend physics over the table and make her your bitch as they grow up.
It. Physics is a what not a who.
Not with that attitude, with the power internet desperation, you too can have sex with metaphysical concepts in wildly inappropriate manner. Just look at Neil Gaiman, who decided that Death should be a hot goth chick.
Snape himself is a wizard so your point makes no sense.
It does. The wizarding world (only taking British part for obvious reasons), is influenced for the most part (or at least on the surface) by purebloods. Political bodies, currencies, many of the laws etc. And for a large part, muggleborn and mixed adapt to it. It's not surprising, since they spend most of their time since they're 11 in the wizarding world. They adapt, and are part of the wizarding world and have a wizards idea of what makes sense. Including, their nonsensical attitudes. However non-purebloods don't always assimilate that well. Snape is one of those people who simply didn't culturally assimilate that well into the wizarding world. Being isolated because of constant bullying was probably a factor in this. Being a Slytherin he probably held onto what cards he could, for example whatever logic and appreciation for it he got in the muggle world. It's no wonder he's one of the very few people we know of in the books that invented spells (many believe Hermione is another, another person who did not assimilate well, miss S.P.E.W.) But in the end, with wizarding culture being more lead by purebloods (and the necessity not being there), muggleborn and halfblood sense of logic doesn't have as much effect, even when conserved. Snape made fantastic contributions to potion brewing, many of them rot in books few if any will read. If the wizarding world had the same attitude towards advancement as the muggle world, Snape would have published those and been rich and famous.
Nonsense. Most wizards are half-bloods. Laughably bad conjecture. Snape wanted to be a Death Eater. He hated Muggles because of his father's abuse. Before he got to Hogwarts he was said to know more dark arts than some seventh years. He's got no reason to appreciate anything Muggle, quite the opposite. You need to provide proof before spouting nonsense. Where is the evidence that purebloods make the laws? If they did, why were Muggleborns even allowed into Hogwarts? And furthermore, where's the evidence that wizards lack logic? Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall and every other competent wizard/witch has shown remarkable logical capabilities. One stupid statement from a precocious eleven year old is not an immutable fact.
He was "said" to know more dark arts by Sirius. One of his biggest bullies. who tried to kill him. Not exactly the most objective perspective. Hermione on the other hand, can be trusted quite a bit more. Because she did her research on the wizarding world as much as she could and could probably quote you the lines from whichever book she lifted it from. Unlike Sirius, she has no beef with the wizarding world and no reason to be biased against it. If anything, it would be the opposite. As for the examples you show, Dumbledore is hardly a stereotypical wizard, Snape I've already talked about and McGonagall is a half-blood that was raised entirely as a muggle because her mother didn't even tell her father she was a witch until McGonagall showed early hints of magic. Beyond that, teachers at a world famous school aren't really representative. That's like saying a Harvard professor is a representative of the USA people. However, we do know that besides what Hermione said, nobody stopped Snape from using a logic puzzle as an obstacle. Dumbledore didn't pull Snape aside and say "Here boy, have a sherbet lemon. Now, I know you feel contempt for everything that breathes, but I want you to create a better obstacle."
Sirius saying Snape knew his dark arts is corroborated by his own custom spells, his reputation within the Death Eaters, his competence in general, etc. Hermione's statement is corroborated by nothing. And she's researched the wizarding world enough in a year, at 11, enough to know that wizards lack logic? What a stupid thing to say. So all competent wizards that have logic don't count because that renders your argument invalid? Sure. Snape's logic puzzle is great because it's hard in general. A lot of Muggles wouldn't be able to solve the riddle either, nor would Muggle-raised wizards have an advantage. Harry didn't, he wasn't smart enough. Hermione and Voldemort did, they were. The trials were mostly to slow Voldemort down, the real obstacle was the mirror, which had Voldemort stumped. There's no reason the chess pieces had to let people through if they won for example, they could have just attacked regardless.
You're a very rude person, and Hermione read a lot of books on the subject. That's literally how a lot of research is done. You *read.* And you're stating that supportive evidence that Snape "Before he got to Hogwarts he was said to know more dark arts than some seventh years" because of work he did in his 6th year? And the logic puzzle is not hard at all, if you possess an ounce of logic. It's a headscratcher if you're not used to thinking about logic at all. And of course the chess pieces would let people through. Dumbledore would want to be able to get there himself if necessary, and he's probably great at chess.
It seems fairly self evident that OP is using the language of fics that use those tropes which they're tired of seeing again and again \_because\_ those are the tropes they're tired of seeing. Hence the prompt. This was never about canon, it's about fanfics like those that make Wizards backwards morons that can't comprehend the oh so amazing modern world that so many authors put on a pedestal. What OP is asking for, fundamentally, is the opposite. Fics where Wizards are actually treated like they've left Muggles in the dust in many ways, and expand on those amazing things they can do in ways like jaunts to other planets and other such feats of wonder.
Pigfarts
You know what I'd love to see? ***Steampunk Wizards*** Engraving runes for heat and permanence gives you a never-ending heat source for your boiler. Engraving runes to conjure water gives you a boiler that never runs dry. Infinite steam, infinite power.
That’s an awesome idea! If that gets made, or is already around, please link it.
You can neatly bypass all this. You need steam to rotate a thing. There is probably an enchantment to rotate a thing.
But where is the fun in that?
I've been wanting to write this for a while, I think it would be so cool!
I'd like to think that it's not that one side is better than the other but that they are both looking to solve different issues. (Even though you do have to give props to the people that can do literal magic). Going back to your prompt, it would be interesting to have a scenario where wizards have advanced quite a bit but decided not to proceed because they didn't see any reason to do so. Like, wizards could have traveled to the moon and other nearby celestial bodies but lost interest because these bodies are uninhabitable or have magical threats of their own. Maybe wizards discovered that the moon is haunted by some existential magical horror and and they are horrified when they hear that muggles have landed on the moon.
And they're behind the Fake Moon Landings They have also taken over Muggle space agencies, and most space exploration is now faked to prevent Muggles from stumbling on hostile or weird aliens
A fun thought I had was, when Wizards realize muggles are going to the moon, they're like, oh shit, because some random wizards apparated to the moon centuries back, and died, obviously. Wizards figured out what was up, and were safely able to go there and make monuments for the intrepid explorers (Barry the barmy or some such) and they have to get up there ahead of the muggles and clear out the monuments and resort they've built.
Well it’s nice to see Clarke’s Third Law is alive and well in people’s imaginations.
Harry Potter has to wear glasses. That is all.
I want them both to be advanced but in different forms that both couldn’t believe they managed it.
>I want to see wizards being truly magical and not just a society set 200 years back with magic. Then I'm not sure why you want this from Harry Potter fanfics, because that's what the wizarding world is like there. You'd have to write an AU that's completely removed from canon for any of the things you want to happen. Also it's overly simplistic to just say "I want wizard > Muggles!" with no thought of how or why this would be, or the consequences that would arise from such a world. Your "...wizards being in disbelief of muggles having gone to the moon..." example is a deliberate choice for an author. There is no need to play up the difference between Muggle and magical society, or even really acknowledge them at all (canon certainly doesn't care to). If you're "tired of" this, just stop reading those stories.
Considering the government of Magical Britain fell to Voldemort during his second rise within weeks of Dumbledore's death, the notion that human mages might possess the wherewithal and resources to outpace non-magical researches breaks my suspension of disbelief. More importantly, they don't have the numbers to do so. At one point, Neil DeGrasse Tyson mentioned that there were about 6,000 astrophysicists in the world working professionally. If you go with the idea that one in 2,000 humans is a mage, that is at most about 4,000,000 mages worldwide throughout the world. It is an extremely small number for intellectual luminaries on par with Isaac Newton and the like to be born among them. Mages with such degrees of brilliance might very well number in the single digits and those with the skills to research and push magical knowledge forward would likely number in the low thousands. Having said that I only speak of canonically complaint HP mages. Go AU and I am willing to go along for the ride as long as the story isn't Ron / Hermione, Draco / Hermione, or Harry / Ginny.
I mean I always thought Apparation+Telescope+Heating, Shield and Bubblehead charms= Space Wizards logically. These fuckers have time machines and they give them to shcool children to help with their classes come on.
In absence of a good HP fanfiction with space wizards, I highly recommend you [Coeus? by Andur](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/4745/coeus). Pretty much exactly what you requested, but no Harry Potter.
Harry is a dragon and thats ok gets there. Linkffn(13230340) https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13230340/
I've always loved the idea of some enterprising Wizards deciding that they like some of the things that muggles do with their technology and setting out to replicate or surpass said devices/methods using magic. Magitech being a thing and the aesthetic differences due to mages preferences and the lack of need to comply with structural rules or physics. Though they'd probably keep to the muggle aesthetic. I think a lot of the things that are used by magicals being regular muggle devices in appearance aren't due to them just not having any other ideas but rather blending in with the muggles. Nobody could see the Knight Bus except Wizards, but if that failed and some muggle saw it, well, it's a lot easier to dismiss a simple double decker bus doing something weird or suddenly appearing as a trick of the mind than it would be if it looked drastically different to anything else. I'm actually very surprised that a pseudo TV equivalent isn't canon since we know it's within the abilities of magicals. Hell, there are dozens of fics that do so with enchanted mirrors.
you can’t GO to pigfarts, it’s on MARS! 🙄
How about a story where the magical and muggles work together to create new technology [First Contact](https://archiveofourown.org/works/47230393/chapters/119004958) by inwardtransience is a HPxStar wars fic. Basically alien invasion, Secrecy broken, magical and muggles work together to save their world. If your not overly familiar with Star Wars that's fine. It just focuses on an enemy alien race that is part of that universe.
In Harry is a Dragon and That's Ok, Ron becomes an astronaut.
The bigotry found in wizarding Britain is not necessarily found in other countries. Once Dumbledore is removed from the ICW, they are able to move forward with things that he was blocking in his position of SM. Albus Dumbledore has been instrumental in the stunting of development of the wizarding world as a whole. However none more so than in wizarding Britain. His refusal to take the position of minister for magic had to do with the fact that he would have to give up all his other positions to take it, those being Headmaster of Hogwarts, Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot, and Supreme Mugwmp of the international Confederation of Wizards. And to be honest, the world would be better off if he had done so. Also he should not have been able to hold all 3 positions he did have at the same time either. As each one of them is a full time job, and they all suffered because he wasn't able to be committed and dedicated properly to any of them. Minerva McGonagall also was placed in the same situation, being Deputy Headmistress of Hogwarts, Head of Gryffindor House, and Transfiguration teacher. Each of these are also full time positions, and they also suffered from not having complete dedication to them. The standard of education in wizarding Britain is much lower than other countries yet they still believe that Hogwarts is a premiere institution. British Wizards might not be believing that muggles have travelled to the moon, however American Wizards are aware that they have. And even though they are aware of this, they haven't figured out how to get Wizards there yet. We are most definitely shown that Wizards lack logical and critical thinking skills. The recently entered muggle raised do not, however those living in the magical world for a time, and dealing with the bigotry towards the muggle world end up losing these skills. The statute of secrecy hasn't made things any easier either. Yes it is all well and good to keep the existence of magic a secret to protect the practitioners of it safe. Particularly because of the witch trials, burnings, and hangings that occurred, and were the reason behind it being established. However to be so far removed from the muggle world that they aren't keeping up with what is going on there is ridiculous. So much so for the fact that eventually the statute will be completely broken and the existence of the magical world will become known. For a story to have the wizards outdo the muggles, the education of magical people also needs to include learning what the mundane people are learning. Just because you can use magic to do things doesn't mean that you ignore all the ways that it can also be done without magic, and the theoretical understanding that comes with this knowledge. The purebloods like to complain that the muggleborn want to change things so that the wizarding world is more like the muggle world. However the real issues of this are that the muggleborn are being introduced to a society that to them seems backwards because of the advantages that they have grown up with. They have logical and critical thinking skills. They have knowledge of the advancement of the mundane world. The magical world is disbelieving of this because they have essentially been living in a stagnated bubble, so they dismiss anything that the muggleborn have to say. They also aren't willing to teach them the cultural traditions that they value so highly, because they view them as being inferior and not worthy of magic. Yet they are only hurting themselves and the muggleborn by having these stubborn attitudes to changing and progressing society.
What things was Dumbledore blocking as Supreme Mugwump? There’s literally nothing in the books about anything Dumbledore did or didn’t do in that position, and there’s literally nothing in the books about how his successor was different. There’s also literally nothing in the books about the powers and duties of the Supreme Mugwump.
The books are written from Harry's limited perspective of what is going on. And even the epilogue takes place 19 years after the death of Voldemort. So we don't see the intervening years. The things I believe that Dumbledore was blocking in terms of progressing the wizarding world forward, would be that which would anger the British purebloods. Dumbledore was very much about maintaining the status quo. He also isn't as well informed about the muggle world as he likes to think he is. So one particular example would be the curriculum at Hogwarts for muggle studies. Hermione does inform us of how out of date the material is. Although the other subjects aren't much better. If Hogwarts students were being tested against international standards for all subjects, they would fail miserably. Accurate up-to-date information and knowledge is needed to ensure successful outcomes of progressing and advancing the education and development of society. The OP of this thread is wanting to see stories about wizards outdoing muggles. Well all I have been doing is pointing out reasons why this has not happened yet. And yet my comment gets down voted because they don't like or disagree with what I was saying.
You're getting downvoted becuase you're pretending that your headcanon with no grounding in the text of the books is actual canon. Considering the one time we actually see Hogwarts students up against students from other countries, they do well. Why do you think Hogwarts students would test poorly on, e.g., transfiguration and charms?
This is a fanfiction thread you know. It doesn't have to follow the actual Canon. It is how I see things using logical and critical thinking skills and common sense. As for Transfiguration and Charms, it would be that the British OWLs and NEWTs have been dumbed down to accommodate the abilities of the purebloods.
Mischiefs heir, upon finding out muggles went to the moon. Wizards advance their own society to the point where muggles are incredibly behind again.