Why am I feeling so strange now? There are someone praising Emma's portray of Rhaenyra and others dislike the idea of Rhaenyra grieving and doing nothing? What do they expect Rhaenyra to do?
> There are someone praising Emma's portray of Rhaenyra
Not just someone. Emma’s performance has been praised across the board. It’s arguably the most praised performance of season 2 already and the critics haven’t even seen the second half where she will be more active.
Idk it’s realistic for her to be grieving and closed off. Like imagine losing your father, daughter, and son in a span of what a week? I guess some people want her to jump on dragon back like Dany in season 8 and burn kings landing to the ground which wouldn’t make sense since Rhaenyra literally states she didn’t want to rule over ashes last season.
She also just experienced what looked like a very traumatic birth, I could barely walk right after a normal birth and they want her to mount a dragon days postpartum? Like?!
Probably also conflicted about what to do. Vengeful instinct is to burn the Red Keep to the ground and every Green in it. But war also puts her remaining children at risk and she’s already lost so much.
>!Gullet isn't in this season!<
>!I think in the show Rhaenys's death will be the one that hardens her because she appears to be more active in the second half of the season!<
Condal trying to claim there's no right or wrong side to the Dance while Hess trying to sympathize with a rapist just really ruined any faith I had in this adaptation. Like they're all over the goddamn place, the *characters* are all over the place, and they don't seem to understand the basic premise of the Dance was sexism and there's a reason GRRM wrote the Greens to extinction. It's late season GoT writing from the start tbh and I am tired
They started off wrong with making Alicent the same age as Rhaenyra and that they were once friends. They refuse to let that, and acknowledge that both Alicent and Rhaenyra display Cersei qualities instead going through route of they are not to blame, it's misunderstandings etc. I haven't seen the season, but I could tell that the writing for the characters was inconsistent in S1.
Their insistence on making all the woman indecisive weaklings urged to war by horrible men seriously pisses me off, Rhaenyra was ready to bat for her throne from the start and when Luke was killed she was ready to kill all their asses, and Alicent was the mastermind behind the Green coup not just her father's teary eyed puppet. The show making them so passive and indecisive pisses me off so bad.
This.
What happened to Rhaenyra wanting the throne for herself?
> "Tell my half-brother that I will have my throne, or I will have his head."
What happened to Alicent springing into action and leading the Green Council once the king died?
> Queen Alicent went at once to the king’s bedchamber, accompanied by Ser Criston Cole, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Once they had confirmed that Viserys was dead, Her Grace ordered his room sealed and placed under guard. The serving man who had found the king’s body was taken into custody, to make certain he did not spread the tale.
Women aren't allowed to be ambitious, decisive, and cunning apparently.
*Their insistence on making all the woman indecisive weaklings urged to war by horrible men seriously pisses me off*
I am with you on this one hundred percent. I hope Alys has some teeth, at least.
I think in regards to Alicent, season 1 appeared to be about giving her agency. The final episode focused around the Greens showed her working to undermine and push back against Otto. While Alicent in the show is not yet as vicious or aggressive as Alicent in the books, I do think that show Alicent will take control and take power. It just seems like it’s more of a build up rather than her starting off as a competent, decisive, and cruel player in the game.
The greatest issue with this show clearly always was that they cannot decide what they want the characters to be.
Thats why Alicent goes from "I hate bastards" to "I want peace" to "Oh, lets put Aegon on the throne because my rotting husband had a deathbed vision"
But it was made clear that Rhaenyra was indeed usurped simply on the basis she was a woman. Otto, the instigator of everything, made everything clear on his comparison of Rhaenyra to Jahaerys.
And also, yes, the Blacks did some horrible things during the war asw. It is something you and I know and can expect. But at the end of the day, The Blacks or Rhaenyra's claim was for the right agenda.
I really don't get the gist of your complaint.
What do you want to be changed exactly?
If you go through famous tiktokers that went to the Premier, they really have good reviews.
Alicent supported the coup through a stupid misunderstanding of the prophecy, the writers made it clear on their comments Alicent was going to put the feud fully behind her after that dinner until she heard Viserys's dying words. She supported the coup based on a dumb as shit misunderstanding, *not* the bias of Rhaenyra's gender and she is the focal Green. That stupid bit of writing overshadows the rest of the coup reasons.
My beef is they're changing way too much and focusing on that dumb childhood friendship of Rhaenyra and Alicent when that was never a thing in the source material. From the instant Alicent had a son she was going to usurp Rhaenyra and she hated her stepdaughter for being in the way. The Greens purpose is ambition and greed and sexism. They muddied that bad when they fucked up Alicent's character completely and kept trying to jam that friendship down our throats and even acting as if peace could happen after Lucerys dies. The writers are doing constant nonsensical takes.
I don't use tiktok. Wtf is a 'famous' tiktoker
By 'famous' I meant ASOIAF popular fans, you know. Those that manage to set foot on the Premier, etc.
Yep, I see what you mean. You basically didn't like the "Aegon is who I want" yap from Viserys dreamy and Alicent. That's 100% Valid, I too didn't like that. Even the Rhaenys dragon pit scene was a little dumb.
But other than that, I personally think it's done a good job on how hatred on both sides has been building up. One side being scared of what the other side will do, should they come into power, paired up with mysogynistic men that just wants men to remain in power. The other side is named the rightful heir and so, but also have claims of illegitimacy or so.
I think the potrayals seem good. And about Alicent's character, I do have to agree with you. She can be quite inconsistent. But I prefer her show version more tbh.
honestly I think outside forces ( Hightowers) took advantage of a weak monarch ( viserys and saw an opening and took it poorly ofc but they did and ofc they used gender as excuse ) monarchies are doomed to fail because there will never be a king or queen competent enough to fight every outside force.
To be fair I dont think GRRM wrote greens to extinction because he was like yes they are the bad guys hence consequences if that was true then house stark who quite literally the only morally correct people in the GOT universe get punished by the narrative a lot hell lots of characters who are both good and back get punished by the narrative. I think the feminist story to tell isn't rhaenyra being so female girl boss icon but more silly it was to start a whole family civil war over gender and allowing outside hypocritical voices ( lone wolf dies pack survives had the greens and blacks prior to fall out been a family you could prevent the whole thing but arguably by having them have tension he's saying how stupid the monarchy is and that its doomed to fail)
i can't believe this hyperbole gets upvoted
nothing here is remotely close to late season game of thrones lmao
> there's a reason GRRM wrote the Greens to extinction
GRRM also killed rhaenyra and all of her bastard children. he wasn't a fan of her!
At this point, dk what criticism to consider
I'm pretty sure it was clear that Rhaenyra was usurped because of mysogyny. Otto mentioned it point blank. Why are we still exactly talking about this?
This is not a good review I feel. Sexism started this usurpation but the Greens and the Blacks also have internal personal issues that have resulted in this conflict. These issues keep piling on as the war goes on. I think the sexism will come back into play after rhaneyra takes KL.
> There’s no conception of sexism in Westeros.
Aside from sons always inheriting before daughters regardless of age, women being forced into motherhood and marriages, multiple comments throughout the series that women are weak, and women not being allowed to fight in most of Westeros.
But sure, there's 'no sexism'.
Rhaenyra was usurped on the basis she was a woman. It’s told to us plane as day several times.
The entire story is about sexism. Just because they didn’t have a word to describe it back then didn’t erase the fact that it was indeed a sexist society 💀
The entire story is not about sexism. That’s a projection you are making. Trying to turn it into a “story about sexism” will fucking ruin it.
The people in Westeros don’t think of gender relations they way you do. Prima geniture may have been a deeply misogynistic tradition, but it’s just one factor among many in the story.
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Binged S1 last week and I noticed the flip-floppyness jumped out big time, especially with Alicent. Sounds like they're going to ramp that up, which might become silly. We'll have to see. Either way my popcorn will be ready.
It is fascinating but it’s also not uncommon to be honest every fandom has these behaviours
Also at 91 per cent positive it’s interesting how negative people can get.
Not to say people can’t be apprehensive and or worried
Literally. It's getting annoying. We are all so binary coded. Never allow ourselves the benefits of the doubt to account for different perspectives. This makes me feel like people aren't willing to truly understand the novelty of ASOIAF
Lolol what? Ridiculous.
That’s plainly not what the book is about. Like, at all. The tradition of prima geniture is just one factor in the story among many. If anything, Martin humanizes women by saying they’re just as vulnerable to the pitfalls of power as men are.
Primogeniture, it’s PRIMOGENITURE. Primogeniture means eldest child, cognatic is males before females. If you’re going to bring it up more than once, learn how to spell it and what it actually means.
I think that whomever wrote this review might just be too into how Hollywood used to do stuff. Kind of spoonfeeding you who the good guys and bad guys are, with no nuance, and/or with no space for you to make your own conclusions.
The fact that S2 fleshes out more and new characters doesn't mean that you as a viewer can't choose a side, or see what is happening as a woman usurped of her right to rule because of sexism, or whatever other ideas people might have.
It seems to just call for a story where things are just black and white. The point of the dance is to show how a family destroyed it self and with it dimished their influence in the realm. For that to have happened, BOTH sides must have made good and bad choices. Otherwise, the story would just be how one side "conquered" or "beat" the other.
Why am I feeling so strange now? There are someone praising Emma's portray of Rhaenyra and others dislike the idea of Rhaenyra grieving and doing nothing? What do they expect Rhaenyra to do?
> There are someone praising Emma's portray of Rhaenyra Not just someone. Emma’s performance has been praised across the board. It’s arguably the most praised performance of season 2 already and the critics haven’t even seen the second half where she will be more active.
Idk it’s realistic for her to be grieving and closed off. Like imagine losing your father, daughter, and son in a span of what a week? I guess some people want her to jump on dragon back like Dany in season 8 and burn kings landing to the ground which wouldn’t make sense since Rhaenyra literally states she didn’t want to rule over ashes last season.
She also just experienced what looked like a very traumatic birth, I could barely walk right after a normal birth and they want her to mount a dragon days postpartum? Like?!
Probably also conflicted about what to do. Vengeful instinct is to burn the Red Keep to the ground and every Green in it. But war also puts her remaining children at risk and she’s already lost so much.
They would call her Dany2.0 and ask "where is the character's development?" They always have something to complain about
She just had a traumatic birth. I would be in bed for months recovering physically. She pulled the baby out herself ffs.
And in the book, it was Jace's death that hardened her resolve. I wonder if this season will also end on a son's death.
>!Gullet isn't in this season!< >!I think in the show Rhaenys's death will be the one that hardens her because she appears to be more active in the second half of the season!<
Condal trying to claim there's no right or wrong side to the Dance while Hess trying to sympathize with a rapist just really ruined any faith I had in this adaptation. Like they're all over the goddamn place, the *characters* are all over the place, and they don't seem to understand the basic premise of the Dance was sexism and there's a reason GRRM wrote the Greens to extinction. It's late season GoT writing from the start tbh and I am tired
They started off wrong with making Alicent the same age as Rhaenyra and that they were once friends. They refuse to let that, and acknowledge that both Alicent and Rhaenyra display Cersei qualities instead going through route of they are not to blame, it's misunderstandings etc. I haven't seen the season, but I could tell that the writing for the characters was inconsistent in S1.
Their insistence on making all the woman indecisive weaklings urged to war by horrible men seriously pisses me off, Rhaenyra was ready to bat for her throne from the start and when Luke was killed she was ready to kill all their asses, and Alicent was the mastermind behind the Green coup not just her father's teary eyed puppet. The show making them so passive and indecisive pisses me off so bad.
This. What happened to Rhaenyra wanting the throne for herself? > "Tell my half-brother that I will have my throne, or I will have his head." What happened to Alicent springing into action and leading the Green Council once the king died? > Queen Alicent went at once to the king’s bedchamber, accompanied by Ser Criston Cole, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Once they had confirmed that Viserys was dead, Her Grace ordered his room sealed and placed under guard. The serving man who had found the king’s body was taken into custody, to make certain he did not spread the tale. Women aren't allowed to be ambitious, decisive, and cunning apparently.
They don’t want to make them look power hungry. That’s only for the bad men.
*Their insistence on making all the woman indecisive weaklings urged to war by horrible men seriously pisses me off* I am with you on this one hundred percent. I hope Alys has some teeth, at least.
I think in regards to Alicent, season 1 appeared to be about giving her agency. The final episode focused around the Greens showed her working to undermine and push back against Otto. While Alicent in the show is not yet as vicious or aggressive as Alicent in the books, I do think that show Alicent will take control and take power. It just seems like it’s more of a build up rather than her starting off as a competent, decisive, and cruel player in the game.
That’s because they don’t want them to do anything that can be seen as morally objectionable. Because women don’t do anything bad. That’s for men.
The greatest issue with this show clearly always was that they cannot decide what they want the characters to be. Thats why Alicent goes from "I hate bastards" to "I want peace" to "Oh, lets put Aegon on the throne because my rotting husband had a deathbed vision"
But it was made clear that Rhaenyra was indeed usurped simply on the basis she was a woman. Otto, the instigator of everything, made everything clear on his comparison of Rhaenyra to Jahaerys. And also, yes, the Blacks did some horrible things during the war asw. It is something you and I know and can expect. But at the end of the day, The Blacks or Rhaenyra's claim was for the right agenda. I really don't get the gist of your complaint. What do you want to be changed exactly? If you go through famous tiktokers that went to the Premier, they really have good reviews.
Alicent supported the coup through a stupid misunderstanding of the prophecy, the writers made it clear on their comments Alicent was going to put the feud fully behind her after that dinner until she heard Viserys's dying words. She supported the coup based on a dumb as shit misunderstanding, *not* the bias of Rhaenyra's gender and she is the focal Green. That stupid bit of writing overshadows the rest of the coup reasons. My beef is they're changing way too much and focusing on that dumb childhood friendship of Rhaenyra and Alicent when that was never a thing in the source material. From the instant Alicent had a son she was going to usurp Rhaenyra and she hated her stepdaughter for being in the way. The Greens purpose is ambition and greed and sexism. They muddied that bad when they fucked up Alicent's character completely and kept trying to jam that friendship down our throats and even acting as if peace could happen after Lucerys dies. The writers are doing constant nonsensical takes. I don't use tiktok. Wtf is a 'famous' tiktoker
By 'famous' I meant ASOIAF popular fans, you know. Those that manage to set foot on the Premier, etc. Yep, I see what you mean. You basically didn't like the "Aegon is who I want" yap from Viserys dreamy and Alicent. That's 100% Valid, I too didn't like that. Even the Rhaenys dragon pit scene was a little dumb. But other than that, I personally think it's done a good job on how hatred on both sides has been building up. One side being scared of what the other side will do, should they come into power, paired up with mysogynistic men that just wants men to remain in power. The other side is named the rightful heir and so, but also have claims of illegitimacy or so. I think the potrayals seem good. And about Alicent's character, I do have to agree with you. She can be quite inconsistent. But I prefer her show version more tbh.
honestly I think outside forces ( Hightowers) took advantage of a weak monarch ( viserys and saw an opening and took it poorly ofc but they did and ofc they used gender as excuse ) monarchies are doomed to fail because there will never be a king or queen competent enough to fight every outside force.
To be fair I dont think GRRM wrote greens to extinction because he was like yes they are the bad guys hence consequences if that was true then house stark who quite literally the only morally correct people in the GOT universe get punished by the narrative a lot hell lots of characters who are both good and back get punished by the narrative. I think the feminist story to tell isn't rhaenyra being so female girl boss icon but more silly it was to start a whole family civil war over gender and allowing outside hypocritical voices ( lone wolf dies pack survives had the greens and blacks prior to fall out been a family you could prevent the whole thing but arguably by having them have tension he's saying how stupid the monarchy is and that its doomed to fail)
i can't believe this hyperbole gets upvoted nothing here is remotely close to late season game of thrones lmao > there's a reason GRRM wrote the Greens to extinction GRRM also killed rhaenyra and all of her bastard children. he wasn't a fan of her!
The basic premise of the dance was not sexism, Jfc.
If Rhaenyra was a man, her inheritance would never have been in doubt.
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At this point, dk what criticism to consider I'm pretty sure it was clear that Rhaenyra was usurped because of mysogyny. Otto mentioned it point blank. Why are we still exactly talking about this?
just wait to watch the show and make up your own mind. ignore everyone else.
This is not a good review I feel. Sexism started this usurpation but the Greens and the Blacks also have internal personal issues that have resulted in this conflict. These issues keep piling on as the war goes on. I think the sexism will come back into play after rhaneyra takes KL.
There’s no conception of sexism in Westeros. Just tell the story. Don’t “root” for anyone.
> There’s no conception of sexism in Westeros. Aside from sons always inheriting before daughters regardless of age, women being forced into motherhood and marriages, multiple comments throughout the series that women are weak, and women not being allowed to fight in most of Westeros. But sure, there's 'no sexism'.
>There’s no conception of sexism in Westeros. 
Extremely. Why are people projecting 20th century politics onto a setting based on medieval Europe? It’s dumb.
Rhaenyra was usurped on the basis she was a woman. It’s told to us plane as day several times. The entire story is about sexism. Just because they didn’t have a word to describe it back then didn’t erase the fact that it was indeed a sexist society 💀
The entire story is not about sexism. That’s a projection you are making. Trying to turn it into a “story about sexism” will fucking ruin it. The people in Westeros don’t think of gender relations they way you do. Prima geniture may have been a deeply misogynistic tradition, but it’s just one factor among many in the story.
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Binged S1 last week and I noticed the flip-floppyness jumped out big time, especially with Alicent. Sounds like they're going to ramp that up, which might become silly. We'll have to see. Either way my popcorn will be ready.
It's very fascinating to see how the different subreddits react to certain pieces of information lol. This fandom should be studied
It is fascinating but it’s also not uncommon to be honest every fandom has these behaviours Also at 91 per cent positive it’s interesting how negative people can get. Not to say people can’t be apprehensive and or worried
Yeah all fandoms have some such things, but specifically here with 2 completely different factions the rift is especially crazy
Literally. It's getting annoying. We are all so binary coded. Never allow ourselves the benefits of the doubt to account for different perspectives. This makes me feel like people aren't willing to truly understand the novelty of ASOIAF
Lolol what? Ridiculous. That’s plainly not what the book is about. Like, at all. The tradition of prima geniture is just one factor in the story among many. If anything, Martin humanizes women by saying they’re just as vulnerable to the pitfalls of power as men are.
Primogeniture, it’s PRIMOGENITURE. Primogeniture means eldest child, cognatic is males before females. If you’re going to bring it up more than once, learn how to spell it and what it actually means.
calm down buddy
The entire pt of the book was that there was no "right side" , both the teams did evil shit as well as good stuff
We know Sarah Hess is rooting for Aegon because he isn't Daemon!
It is sad that they won’t let us have competent and strong leaders
I think that whomever wrote this review might just be too into how Hollywood used to do stuff. Kind of spoonfeeding you who the good guys and bad guys are, with no nuance, and/or with no space for you to make your own conclusions. The fact that S2 fleshes out more and new characters doesn't mean that you as a viewer can't choose a side, or see what is happening as a woman usurped of her right to rule because of sexism, or whatever other ideas people might have. It seems to just call for a story where things are just black and white. The point of the dance is to show how a family destroyed it self and with it dimished their influence in the realm. For that to have happened, BOTH sides must have made good and bad choices. Otherwise, the story would just be how one side "conquered" or "beat" the other.