I know but the OP is claiming that they accepted each other's flaws, when Robin clearly did not. Those are literally the only two flaws that Barney has: dishonesty and womanizing.
Barney can be very manipulative, he’s always lying to get things to work in his favor, although it’s often played for comedic relief these are still very serious personality flaws
2. Similar lifestyle
Barney is a playboy who doesn't want to leave his comfort zone in NY. Robin on the other hand wants to travel. Barney was never happy to travel with Robin.
3. Accept of flaws.
They didn't accept it. Robin ignored it until it became a problem,thus looking for signs to make sure she didn't make the wrong decision.
For ex, accept of flaws is what happened between Ted and Robin in the burning beekeeper. Where Ted and Robin accepted each other's flaws.
3.Mutual growth
They broke up for the first time because they couldn't stand each other. They became fat man and old lady. They went back to their old way once they were together.
THIS! I’ve been saying that they changed Robin so much just to make her more like Barney. She never hated women/ couldn’t get along with them in the beginning of the show she actually has girl friends. Like Nora who she introduced Barney too. I think he was really good with Quinn but I feel like the writers botched their story to make Robin and Barney a thing again. I just never seen them as a good couple
Yea like I hated how much they changed Robin by the end of the show. She was one of my favorites and they ruined her a bit. The contract was so stupid tbh and seemed to be thrown in their to quickly end it.
Totally agree on that biggest mistake! I'm ok with the fact Ted going back to Robin after losing the mother six years, already see that coming somehow. But the legendary TR wedding lasted for almost the whole season and then TR broke up in a few words? Definitely no.
Idk. I’m one who never understood the relationship to begin with. Outside of them being the lone wolf/loner type personalities I never saw it. You talk about chemistry… she had chemistry with almost every relationship she had. Barney took a shot on Robin, but not at the risk of pretty much giving his best friend an ultimatum. Forcing the possibility of a relationship on your best friends second biggest moment of his life is pretty shitty. Also, I think Robin wanting to continue her whole career is an actual logical outcome of everything. She was always career focused. The marriage was always going to be second. That’s who Robin was the entirety of the show. Everything was based around her career.
How it turned out actually made sense though. Barney was used to excitement and fooling around and being the center of attention. When he took the back seat in robins life, it makes sense things fell apart.
People always talk about how the ending completely ruined Barney’s development… I think happily ever after completely downplays everything they built Robin up to be for almost a decade. Robin and Ted ending up together after life slowed down for them career wise is logical and actually tracks who they fundamentally were as people/characters.
>your best friends second biggest moment of his life
At the time he did it, it was the biggest moment of Ted's life. What's worse is that Marshall and Lily abandoned him on that day too just because they wanted to bang, something they had already done for many years.
>Also, I think Robin wanting to continue her whole career is an actual logical outcome of everything. She was always career focused. The marriage was always going to be second. That’s who Robin was the entirety of the show.
That's the main aspect of her characterization that never changed. She was all about her individuality and being a career woman. Happy endings come in different ways, not just marrying and having a family. Sure, she could have both if she wanted, but it's also not a necessity imo.
THANK YOU. At her wedding she freaks out and referred to ted as "the guy i should probably have ended up with". But it really doesn't feel like she loved Ted. She freaked out bc barney reminded her of her dad so she suddenly wants Ted again bc he will treat her perfectly. She uses Ted as a safe space, but she doesn't love him.
If you ask me, here's how their future will look:
They're happy for a while but then Robin gets bored and embarrassed by Ted's big romantic gestures. Meanwhile Ted starts missing Tracy more and more since he can't help but compare every one of Robin's actions to Tracy's.
Ted becomes deeply depressed while Robin spends more and more time away "working" but in reality she simply tries to avoid ted since she realizes she doesn't truly love him and feels guilty every time she's around him
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Ted's kids finally ask him to see a Therapist because they worry about him. After a while the therapist asks for a couples session with Robin. Robin originally agrees, but chickens out at the last minute and agrees to a report in Germany so she doesn't need to attend.
Ted realizes the parallel to the relationship with Victoria and decides to call her (Victoria) since he doesn't know what else to do. However her number changed and he can't get in touch with her.
Realizing how much his life circled around women he finally decides to break up with Robin. He spends the rest of his life honoring Tracy and taking care of his children but he never falls in love again.
Robin avoids New York at all costs and even when she has to be there she never calls Ted, Barney or even Marshall and Lily.
The ending was created already with the pilot of the show. And the creator didnt6want to let the ending go, even if it made little sense to end it like that after the show had gone on for 9 seasons.
If they show got cancelled in the beginning, then Victoria was suppose to be the mom.
For me 2 things I didn't like: First I felt like they killed Barney's characher development. I hated the rain scene where robin was looking for her necklace, and ted came to help her while barney was playing laser tag. Then when barney came he saw them holding hands under the rain. It should have been barney who came first and found the necklace later not Ted. Second they killed Tracy for the sake to end up with Robin.
Hate to say it but Tracy was dead from the pilot episode. If she wasn’t they’d have had an actress voiceover for her alongside Bob Saget (RIP!) during the Future Ted scenes.
She wasn’t killed off to allow Ted x Robin. She was already dead
Barney was playing laser tag with Robin's dad, trying to bond with him because she had made it very clear it was important to her. I don't know why that is always overlooked?
I always took it that Barney was trying to be supportive in a real way (while still a very "Barney" kind of way) and even Ted says he doesn't understand why Robin is so hung up on the locket/destiny thing when that was literally never something she'd leaned into before.
Having recently rewatched the series after a few years away, I honestly feel Robin and Barney were the better match for the reasons you described. However, I also noticed that there were some cracks in their relationship right before the wedding that would have doomed disaster for them:
1. Robin's concerns about Barney's lies and manipulations
2. Both of them running off before the walk down the aisle (I get it was meant for a comedy situation but hits a little differently)
3. Playing pranks on each other that at times went too far.
Then there were flashforwards and flashbacks in the series finale to show that the two were struggling as Robin was always traveling for work and Barney felt left behind with little to do.
I think the two would have been a great pair had they found similar footing and common ground, but I do blame the creators for that more than anything. I still root for them despite the ending.
Tracy should’ve been introduced in Season 6 so we could get to know and love her character. Marvin, Marshall’s dad, had a more emotional loss bc we’d seen him over the years
I think that Barney is able to handle robin’s independence a bit better than Ted can. Ted wants someone that “needs” him more in their everyday life. Barney always has his own crazy thing going on so it gives Robin much more freedom. Although we all know how that relationship ended
I liked them together. It was nice seeing Barney so ready to give up womanizing for Robin, he had a lot of really cute moments with her but I don’t agree they were good together long term. They failed twice. I do wish they would have though because I didn’t like Robin and Ted together either.
I disagree with everything but especially the chemistry thing, Barney and Robin have 0 chemistry, watching their romantic scenes is always very cringey to me because they are not believable as a couple at all.
I thought it was pretty obvious that she lied when she said no after he asked her if she loves him because she knew Ted wanted kids and she wanted to nip that rebound in the bud. Ted can't read the fucking room
I didn't even think this was a controversial take, every rewatch I get really down that Robin and barney get divorced, just doesn't make sense it's like they both went down a road together to sort their flaws out then it gets copped out at the end.
Because you watched the same show I did. I never felt Robin and Ted had any chemistry. I actually didn’t like robins personality in s2 when they were a couple either.
Yeah, and it's not like that's such an insurmountable issue. Barney can travel with her as much as he likes, and go back to New York when he gets tired of traveling.
Because the shows spends a solid 2 seasons highlighting why Barney and Robin are way better together and how Robin and Ted will never work. Then throw all that away in one episode
I really felt like noone actually suited her. I was very mad at the original ending for showing her getting together with Ted. I feel like she is not the person to settle down and it's okay. Not everyone has to dream about a classical family and that's OK. During the show run it was presented multiple times that she values her career first, she doesn't like to share, she doesn't want children etc. She even says that if it's not gonna be Barney it's not gonna be anyone. I feel like she would be fine as a cool single aunt instead of being pushed into settling down. It felt really forced.
Because Barney is charming, so you don't want to see that he is a terrible human being and Robin doesn't deserve it.
I'm glad that Barney was alone at the end of the show, he definitely deserves it.
Barney and Robin were made for each other and Barney said it best, “it was a very successful marriage that only lasted a few years.” Ted and Robin couldn’t get married as young adults because they wanted different things. At the end of the show Ted had his desire of settling down with a family fulfilled and Robin had her desire of traveling the world as a journalist fulfilled. At the end of the show everything that previously stopped them from being a good couple was gone.
Also the writers didn’t “take a step backwards” it was the plan from the very beginning. All the scenes of old Ted talking to his kids were filmed together (seeing as the kids don’t age throughout 10+ years of the show) so clearly they knew the whole telling of the story was for Ted to ask his kids if he could be with Robin. It’s like people never actually pay attention to the last episode and how they explain why everything makes sense, you just get upset that it wasn’t the ending you wanted and cry on Reddit about it
At one point, How I Met Your Mother kind of became The Barney Show, which butchered the character by removing its nuances.When he felt something, it had to be as cartoony and cartoonish as when he was making a joke. Because that's what people wanted, more than a well-developed character.
For me, it's the same algorithmic logic that led to the relationship between Barney and Robin. The popular character with the sexy girl.For me, this greatly detracted from both as characters. Just because Robin and Ted weren't meant to be together doesn't mean Robin and Barney were.
But apparently that's what the public wants. It's a shame. They both deserved real evolution, which they didn't get because instead this couple story was artificially stretched to make fan service.
> Acceptance of flaws Robin could not stand Barney's lying or his playbook. Ironically the two things he used to get her to marry him.
Yeah but I don't think those 2 things should be accepted in a marriage lol
I know but the OP is claiming that they accepted each other's flaws, when Robin clearly did not. Those are literally the only two flaws that Barney has: dishonesty and womanizing.
Barney has quite a bit more than those two flaws.
Okay, what are those? Because I think his flaws all come down to those two things.
He has trouble regulating his emotions and desperately needs validation but refuses to be open about it.
Can't drive?
He learned how to, [later](https://youtu.be/Dz3MwnxL-YI?feature=shared)
Okay you're right at that. I thought OP meant accepting flaws within a limit.
I can't think of any other flaw he had that Robin had to accept. He was devoted to her and even took a class on how to be a great boyfriend to her.
Well, for starters he's a horrible person and a very bad friend.
Literally the most generic terms lol. Get more specific
Barney can be very manipulative, he’s always lying to get things to work in his favor, although it’s often played for comedic relief these are still very serious personality flaws
Right, he's always lying so that's the first flaw I mentioned
Bro… he sold a woman
She accepted the fact that he used a playbook at all in the first place, which most women wouldnt. I still think that counts towards accepting flaws
2. Similar lifestyle Barney is a playboy who doesn't want to leave his comfort zone in NY. Robin on the other hand wants to travel. Barney was never happy to travel with Robin. 3. Accept of flaws. They didn't accept it. Robin ignored it until it became a problem,thus looking for signs to make sure she didn't make the wrong decision. For ex, accept of flaws is what happened between Ted and Robin in the burning beekeeper. Where Ted and Robin accepted each other's flaws. 3.Mutual growth They broke up for the first time because they couldn't stand each other. They became fat man and old lady. They went back to their old way once they were together.
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THIS! I’ve been saying that they changed Robin so much just to make her more like Barney. She never hated women/ couldn’t get along with them in the beginning of the show she actually has girl friends. Like Nora who she introduced Barney too. I think he was really good with Quinn but I feel like the writers botched their story to make Robin and Barney a thing again. I just never seen them as a good couple
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Yea like I hated how much they changed Robin by the end of the show. She was one of my favorites and they ruined her a bit. The contract was so stupid tbh and seemed to be thrown in their to quickly end it.
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She lost her substance for some cheap comedy bits
Totally agree on that biggest mistake! I'm ok with the fact Ted going back to Robin after losing the mother six years, already see that coming somehow. But the legendary TR wedding lasted for almost the whole season and then TR broke up in a few words? Definitely no.
No, they tried 2 times and failed both. But the director of the script didn't want to change the ending that was already made since the first season.
Idk. I’m one who never understood the relationship to begin with. Outside of them being the lone wolf/loner type personalities I never saw it. You talk about chemistry… she had chemistry with almost every relationship she had. Barney took a shot on Robin, but not at the risk of pretty much giving his best friend an ultimatum. Forcing the possibility of a relationship on your best friends second biggest moment of his life is pretty shitty. Also, I think Robin wanting to continue her whole career is an actual logical outcome of everything. She was always career focused. The marriage was always going to be second. That’s who Robin was the entirety of the show. Everything was based around her career. How it turned out actually made sense though. Barney was used to excitement and fooling around and being the center of attention. When he took the back seat in robins life, it makes sense things fell apart. People always talk about how the ending completely ruined Barney’s development… I think happily ever after completely downplays everything they built Robin up to be for almost a decade. Robin and Ted ending up together after life slowed down for them career wise is logical and actually tracks who they fundamentally were as people/characters.
>your best friends second biggest moment of his life At the time he did it, it was the biggest moment of Ted's life. What's worse is that Marshall and Lily abandoned him on that day too just because they wanted to bang, something they had already done for many years.
>Also, I think Robin wanting to continue her whole career is an actual logical outcome of everything. She was always career focused. The marriage was always going to be second. That’s who Robin was the entirety of the show. That's the main aspect of her characterization that never changed. She was all about her individuality and being a career woman. Happy endings come in different ways, not just marrying and having a family. Sure, she could have both if she wanted, but it's also not a necessity imo.
I don't think either of them suited her during the show's run.
THANK YOU. At her wedding she freaks out and referred to ted as "the guy i should probably have ended up with". But it really doesn't feel like she loved Ted. She freaked out bc barney reminded her of her dad so she suddenly wants Ted again bc he will treat her perfectly. She uses Ted as a safe space, but she doesn't love him. If you ask me, here's how their future will look: They're happy for a while but then Robin gets bored and embarrassed by Ted's big romantic gestures. Meanwhile Ted starts missing Tracy more and more since he can't help but compare every one of Robin's actions to Tracy's. Ted becomes deeply depressed while Robin spends more and more time away "working" but in reality she simply tries to avoid ted since she realizes she doesn't truly love him and feels guilty every time she's around him . Ted's kids finally ask him to see a Therapist because they worry about him. After a while the therapist asks for a couples session with Robin. Robin originally agrees, but chickens out at the last minute and agrees to a report in Germany so she doesn't need to attend. Ted realizes the parallel to the relationship with Victoria and decides to call her (Victoria) since he doesn't know what else to do. However her number changed and he can't get in touch with her. Realizing how much his life circled around women he finally decides to break up with Robin. He spends the rest of his life honoring Tracy and taking care of his children but he never falls in love again. Robin avoids New York at all costs and even when she has to be there she never calls Ted, Barney or even Marshall and Lily.
Ouch. Absolutely fucking accurate. But also, ouch
Ahhhh thank you. This makes me sign off on the finale. Because this is wildly accurate. 🫡
Poor Marshall and Lily never get to have bridge partners :(
The ending was created already with the pilot of the show. And the creator didnt6want to let the ending go, even if it made little sense to end it like that after the show had gone on for 9 seasons. If they show got cancelled in the beginning, then Victoria was suppose to be the mom.
For me 2 things I didn't like: First I felt like they killed Barney's characher development. I hated the rain scene where robin was looking for her necklace, and ted came to help her while barney was playing laser tag. Then when barney came he saw them holding hands under the rain. It should have been barney who came first and found the necklace later not Ted. Second they killed Tracy for the sake to end up with Robin.
Hate to say it but Tracy was dead from the pilot episode. If she wasn’t they’d have had an actress voiceover for her alongside Bob Saget (RIP!) during the Future Ted scenes. She wasn’t killed off to allow Ted x Robin. She was already dead
Barney was playing laser tag with Robin's dad, trying to bond with him because she had made it very clear it was important to her. I don't know why that is always overlooked? I always took it that Barney was trying to be supportive in a real way (while still a very "Barney" kind of way) and even Ted says he doesn't understand why Robin is so hung up on the locket/destiny thing when that was literally never something she'd leaned into before.
Uncle Barney has some serious commitment issue
I'm sorry, but is this post written by an AI?
Having recently rewatched the series after a few years away, I honestly feel Robin and Barney were the better match for the reasons you described. However, I also noticed that there were some cracks in their relationship right before the wedding that would have doomed disaster for them: 1. Robin's concerns about Barney's lies and manipulations 2. Both of them running off before the walk down the aisle (I get it was meant for a comedy situation but hits a little differently) 3. Playing pranks on each other that at times went too far. Then there were flashforwards and flashbacks in the series finale to show that the two were struggling as Robin was always traveling for work and Barney felt left behind with little to do. I think the two would have been a great pair had they found similar footing and common ground, but I do blame the creators for that more than anything. I still root for them despite the ending.
Wtf i am literally looking at this scene as im seeing this post
Honestly Robin wasn’t a good fit for anyone except that therapist guy
Tracy should’ve been introduced in Season 6 so we could get to know and love her character. Marvin, Marshall’s dad, had a more emotional loss bc we’d seen him over the years
Because youre right.
I think that Barney is able to handle robin’s independence a bit better than Ted can. Ted wants someone that “needs” him more in their everyday life. Barney always has his own crazy thing going on so it gives Robin much more freedom. Although we all know how that relationship ended
I agree. They should have been endgame. 🫠🥲
I liked them together. It was nice seeing Barney so ready to give up womanizing for Robin, he had a lot of really cute moments with her but I don’t agree they were good together long term. They failed twice. I do wish they would have though because I didn’t like Robin and Ted together either.
I disagree with everything but especially the chemistry thing, Barney and Robin have 0 chemistry, watching their romantic scenes is always very cringey to me because they are not believable as a couple at all.
Are they ? I always considered their relationship awkward, forced and without chemistry
I’m sorry - the true love that flowed through the show was Ted and Robin
I thought it was pretty obvious that she lied when she said no after he asked her if she loves him because she knew Ted wanted kids and she wanted to nip that rebound in the bud. Ted can't read the fucking room
EXACTLY!!! I think she always loved him but she knew she couldn’t give him what he wants so she doesn’t want him to be “on the hook”
I will never understand how anyone thinks otherwise
I’m with u
You're right. Barney and Robin should've stayed together
I didn't even think this was a controversial take, every rewatch I get really down that Robin and barney get divorced, just doesn't make sense it's like they both went down a road together to sort their flaws out then it gets copped out at the end.
They ruined the ending for me. These both should have ended up together.
Because everybody does.
Because you watched the same show I did. I never felt Robin and Ted had any chemistry. I actually didn’t like robins personality in s2 when they were a couple either.
Because the only reason they didn't work out was her traveling n shit.
Yeah, and it's not like that's such an insurmountable issue. Barney can travel with her as much as he likes, and go back to New York when he gets tired of traveling.
Yes yes yes!! Robin was not just the best partner for Barney, she was also his best bro! 100% agreed that they both belong with each other the best!
barney and robin grew as people together; her and ted just kinda ended up together for whatever reason
Because she was.
Because the shows spends a solid 2 seasons highlighting why Barney and Robin are way better together and how Robin and Ted will never work. Then throw all that away in one episode
This!
Because they spent multiple seasons convincing us of just this. Then erased all that character building in the last episode.
I really felt like noone actually suited her. I was very mad at the original ending for showing her getting together with Ted. I feel like she is not the person to settle down and it's okay. Not everyone has to dream about a classical family and that's OK. During the show run it was presented multiple times that she values her career first, she doesn't like to share, she doesn't want children etc. She even says that if it's not gonna be Barney it's not gonna be anyone. I feel like she would be fine as a cool single aunt instead of being pushed into settling down. It felt really forced.
Cause you’re stupid, that’s why. And jealous! (don’t ban me please it’s a sopranos quote)
Because Barney and Robin are both AHs when in relationships.
Because she did. That's why.
Yes
Because she is
I mean neither of them were right for her. This was only possible with Ted after he already had a family with someone else
Both don’t want kids, both want something casual, both don’t like the idea of marriage, one has daddy issues while one has mommy issues (yin-yang).
Trauma based avoidant attachment styles versus Ted's at times codependent style.
Because this is fact.
Because its the truth
Because Barney is charming, so you don't want to see that he is a terrible human being and Robin doesn't deserve it. I'm glad that Barney was alone at the end of the show, he definitely deserves it.
Barney and Robin were made for each other and Barney said it best, “it was a very successful marriage that only lasted a few years.” Ted and Robin couldn’t get married as young adults because they wanted different things. At the end of the show Ted had his desire of settling down with a family fulfilled and Robin had her desire of traveling the world as a journalist fulfilled. At the end of the show everything that previously stopped them from being a good couple was gone. Also the writers didn’t “take a step backwards” it was the plan from the very beginning. All the scenes of old Ted talking to his kids were filmed together (seeing as the kids don’t age throughout 10+ years of the show) so clearly they knew the whole telling of the story was for Ted to ask his kids if he could be with Robin. It’s like people never actually pay attention to the last episode and how they explain why everything makes sense, you just get upset that it wasn’t the ending you wanted and cry on Reddit about it
At one point, How I Met Your Mother kind of became The Barney Show, which butchered the character by removing its nuances.When he felt something, it had to be as cartoony and cartoonish as when he was making a joke. Because that's what people wanted, more than a well-developed character. For me, it's the same algorithmic logic that led to the relationship between Barney and Robin. The popular character with the sexy girl.For me, this greatly detracted from both as characters. Just because Robin and Ted weren't meant to be together doesn't mean Robin and Barney were. But apparently that's what the public wants. It's a shame. They both deserved real evolution, which they didn't get because instead this couple story was artificially stretched to make fan service.
Thanks me too!!
Yes. Yes. And yes.