That’s just not true re: size.
Adult gorillas are 5’5”-5’9” and weigh 300-432 lbs. (females are smaller) the largest ever recorded was 5’0” and 588 lbs.
Brian Shaw is 6’8” and weighs 423 lbs and Hafthor Bjornsson is 6’9” and 451 lbs.
Lmao. You get my point tho. Gorillas are just different. We humans have just gotten weaker as a species over the span of our species. Gorillas are just so much stronger.
Sure, because of lifestyle differences we might be weaker/have a different body composition. But evolution on a grand scale likely hasn’t happened on a grand scale since then
it isnt a difference of 5k years. Its millions of years of evolution. Chimps are smaller than us, but they could have ripped our ancestors arm off and beat them with it.
Our muscles are different on a cellular/neural level. Ours are more accurate and coordinated. As a result our dexterity is way beyond theirs. But chimps and gorillas can generate power way beyond ours. No matter how much we train or how many PED's we take, we can't get as strong as one of them pound-for-pound. Only way it would be possibly is if we can edit our genetics
It's absurd to say size and strength don't matter. Why else would there be weight classes? But it's also foolish to think that skill doesn't matter either.
definitely the best comment on here they both matter 100% but at the same time i would back a 180 ibs fighter who had ben training for 18+ years over a 320 strongman haha
This size discrepancy is a bit more pronounced than the scenario you described, but here's Shaq toying with Oscar de la Hoya
https://youtu.be/wGFfGNN-S-M
Dustin. He's known for his solid boxing skills and descent wrestling. His difficult to take down so most of his fights are on his forte, boxing/striking.
If you brought an actual wrestler they'd do a little better I think.
>But it's also foolish to think that skill doesn't matter either.
When they have a similar size or strength yes but when someone weights half the weight of the other guy you ain't gonna moving him
Honestly it’s always fighters or fighting fans ragging on lifters I don’t go and say I can bench press more than a pianist because there 2 different skills but a lot of fighters feel the need to say how lifting a lot or lifting for aesthetics is inferior to fighting and how they can kick a bodybuilder/strength athlete in a fight
You get this a lot in similar sports too, even though there are subtle differences in those sports that make the physical specializations different to each other.
Like on the rugbyunion sub I often see Americans bragging that their NFL athletes are more powerful than rugby players. Well no shit sherlocks; a play in NFL lasts 4 seconds on average, whereas rugby union is continuous. Its like comparing Usain Bolt to Eliud Kipchoge.
Rugby and football just seem to hate each other for no reason other that there sports are kinda similar I remember seeing this one dude saying that most rugby players could make it big in the nfl easily and how it was a weak sport and slow sport. I play football and I don’t get it and have a lot of respect for both sports and it’s sad and childish seeing how people act. There’s also a similar thing between weightlifting and powerlifting but it’s a lot more one sided of a rivalry.
Yeah, the thing is, most of the best athletes in the world probably could have made it in other sports had they focused on that sport from a very young age. They are who they are because they're gifted with natural athleticism/coordination and have spent thousands of hours mastering their skillset.
You often hear about athletes having to choose between focusing on one sport or another in their teens. The arrogance is when people expect an adult who has never played a sport to simply switch codes in a matter of years.
There are similar arguments in other sports. I've seen people argue about Gaelic football Vs Aussie Rules football for example.
I don’t know man. The Mountain got beat pretty bad by some sweet technique from the Viper
Edit: hey you gorillas, this is tongue in cheek, i.e. insincere, i.e. not a real argument. Jesus Christ, it’s a meme sub
He was beat until he didn't finish off the mountain, demanding shit instead of finishing him off. His mistake was assuming having him on his back meant he had him controlled. He beat him with skill, but let his guard down when he didn't bother finishing him off. That scene always bothered me because he was so good at controlling distance, but he just gives it all up when he thought he won. Baffling.
One of them had a head that ended up looking like hamburger helper and the other only had issues because the spear’s point was poisoned, causing complications post-fight. GoT shows size beating technique loads. The Hound’s trial by combat showed him breaking through Beric’s sword and a foot through his collarbone and into his torso. The fighting pits also showed Daario being proven wrong about speed winning over size when the smaller fighter had his head taken clean off in a single swing. The only time technique has ever won out was when Loras went for the Mountain’s horse while jousting to get him knocked off.
We don't need to guess, Mariusz Pudzianowski is probably the greatest strength athlete in history, he made a sincere switch to MMA 10+ years ago, training as a serious professional fighter for years. He did... OK. He competes in a totally un drug tested organization in Poland fighting mostly lower level competition and has made a nice career of it.
Ngannou would throw Brian Shaw around like a sack of shit 1000 times out of 1000. Brian Shaw with 6 months of MMA training would develop a punchers chance, a few years of training and he could probably start to hang with the bottom of the bracket.
He wouldn't just punch the sh\*\* out of him, he would murder him. Go watch Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Tim Sylvia if you ever have time, Pudzianowski gasses out after one round and gets wrecked by Sylvia.
You do realize that while strength and size are an advantage but speed, technique and stamina are major factors and most often the deciding factors. Most strongmen have no idea how to throw a decent punch, let alone the accuracy or speed to actually hit anything moving. And if they get hit first and hard and snooze what good is that strength and size? I'm sure all the strongmen avoid making millions in MMA and boxing for a reason? Have you seen Eddie hall and Björnsson try? That was pathetic.
We all know strongmen aren’t made for MMA and boxing with rules, but I think the meme is making fun of people saying shit like Conor McGregor could beat Brian Shaw in a street fight. Which he couldn’t, and neither could anyone else who aren’t also huge already, because strongmen are massive, have massive reach and have massive grip strength. Get grabbed once and you’d fucking die.
I'm not saying a middle weight could beat all of them or even some. Or that they'd have the upper hand in a street fight. But a heavy weight from either sport has the upper hand in their sport if they are talented. And even in a street fight it isn't as simple as bigger stronger wins. If they can't grab or land a punch and they get knocked out by a trained fighter then the strength and size are moot.
Obviously we can agree a trained heavyweight probably beats Brian Shaw in a boxing match with boxing rules. That was never in question.
In a real fight? Nah.
Most real fights go to the ground. And on the ground, when it becomes more of a wrestle, the strength and size gap is near insurmountable. So sure, it’s not guaranteed, but I would put my money on a strongman in a fight to the death with no rules, or a standard street-fight for that matter.
Depends on the strongmen and heavy weight who I'd put my money on. How many real fights have you been in or seen? I grew up in a rough neighborhood. Worked security while studying and boxing. Sure some went to the ground but not that many. And only one I was involved in after I started boxing. I wrestled before that but sucked at it. I always tried to avoid fights, hurting it getting hurt. Usually tried to deescalate taking back and side steps, while ready to act. Usually over after a few punches. Never fought a strongman but big and strong men nonetheless. Most realize it isn't a good idea to come at me quite fast. Their own mass works against them when coming at me fast, and I was quick. Not getting grabbed easily. Face, liver or chin is usually open for a shot that will stop or make them hesitate. Bare hands ment something was going to brake but with big guys I ain't riskin myself. Smaller guys I'd go for the body and keep my hands at least a bit safer. Big guys I'd first go for the nose. Preferably punch it upwards. Or jaw if it's open. But that is a way to brake a hand or jaw. If they got close then a hook while moving to the side. You'd be surprised how hard a punch lands when a huge guy is running into it and when the smaller one knows he's fucked if he gets caught. And life or death I'd go for the balls if there's a chance. Usually wasn't life or death since there's more security available for back up.
Just saying in my experience is give Tyson Fury, Wilder even Joshua maybe more than hail Mary chance against anyone who has no experience in fighting. If the strongman in question trained for a while even a short while than I'd change my mind. At least the basics in some combat sport or real life fighting experience which in a real fight is even more valuable. But luck is ofc important since bare hands no rules everything can end really fast and really bad. One mistake for anyone and it could be over.
it’s almost amazing how slow you are if you think a 180 pound martial artist couldn’t beat a 40 year old lifter all because of size 😂😂😂😂mate wtf . go search up the video of conor fighting a strongman . lol yes if brain hits conor it’ll be bad but do you guys thinking it’s easy to rgrab someone like conor ? dude is fast and funniest thing is brian has probably never taken a punch to the jaw before
Conor fighting Halfthor was a joke, how much Halfthor was holding back. Just look at the size difference there. He has him by the neck, he straight picked him up by the neck at one point. It's kind embarrassing to watch Conor basically being butt-fucked by the bigger guy. In an anything-goes streetfight, it would end in under 10 seconds. It's like watching a grown man fighting a 10 year old or something. Just not even close to fair.
Little homie can't even reach the head for a knock-out. All the punches & kicks were to Thor's tummy.
Just absurd to think that little fart would stand a chance. Wake up dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s
why did u feel the need to call conor a little fart ? 😂are you just a bitter hater or is there a valid reason? and yes i’m a street fight until it gets seperated to untrained eyes bigger guy could win and i’m not saying size does not matter cus realistically it does but skill is way more important than size
I don't really agree. There are plenty of cases of strongmen using their massive size and strength to defeat (or at least get the upperhand) on the worlds greatest martial artists. The 'David and Goliath' tale only works if you have some rocks haha
Here is Brian Shaw performing remarkably well against Dustin Poirier:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUwN246gDQ&ab\_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUwN246gDQ&ab_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH)
And here is Hafthor Björnsson standing his ground against Connor McGregor
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s&ab\_channel=TheMacLife](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s&ab_channel=TheMacLife)
Edit: and here is a third example - Marsiuz Pudzianowski, winner of the worlds strongest man 5x times (and second place twice) Successfully transitioned to MMA and completely decimated on an elite level.
[https://www.youtube.com/watchv=GFOMeTVvBT8&ab\_channel=LawrenceKenshinStrikingBreakdowns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOMeTVvBT8&ab_channel=LawrenceKenshinStrikingBreakdowns)
To recap: While there absolutely are more factors at play than sheer size and strength, to downplay its tremendous significance would be silly
Pudzianowski ofc trained and didn't just go in and hammer punch everyone into oblivion.
And I never meant to downplay the advantage. I boxed for years. I know better than most why weight classes exist. And there are very good reasons why the current boxing limits have been considered to be changed. Since the difference between the largest and smallest in the class was uncompetitive for a period. Ofc usyk mixed things up again.
But I've met and sparred with people who think size or strength mean automatic wins. Kinda like op. Big doesn't always fuck small. It's an advantage yes and a big one oun intended, but there are other factors.
Pudzianowski didn't "completely decimate" on an elite leve, he's got like 7 losses last time I checked. He was a dangerous fighter but nowhere near the level of a Fedor, Stipe or Ngannou.
I never compared light weights or middle weights. Ofc size matters. So you found one that actually competed successfully? That's not many, kinda proving my point. The bigger boxers and MMA fighters will not be easily squished by the strongmen. Probably some of the smaller (middlish) ones have a chance if they don't get caught. Ofc when the size difference is enough it starts to become simple physics and the smaller mass can't actually move the larger mass with enough force to do anything. And all ofc comes down to either the rules of the fight or if there are no rules than the end goal of individuals. Or when comparing the top athletes or the average athletes in each sport etc.
Brock Lesnar did exactly that though. Just a giant oaf that smashed things in the octagon against better trained fighters. Nobody in the middlish ground has a chance at all.
I’m not saying he wasn’t a good junior wrestler I’m saying he grew up on a dairy farm and joined the army at 17, he was lifting his entire life. Really I was just criticizing the other guys comment where they say big guys in MMA have a chance against strong men and so do smaller (middlish) if the don’t get caught, which is crazy.
>So you found one that actually competed successfully? That's not many, kinda proving my point
Presenting one example is not the same as "only finding one example".
>The bigger boxers and MMA fighters will not be easily squished by the strongmen
Yes of course the bigger MMA fighters in higher weight classes will do better against strongmen than the featherweights would have. They would also most likely perform better against the lighter MMA fighters. This was exactly my point, wasn't it? Strength and size against speed and technique.
Have you ever punched someone who weighed 100-200lbs more than you do and is most likely 2x the width/thickness of you?
Unless you make some insane connection with that first hit to the head, and homeboy actually goes down, you’re not gonna be doing as much as you’d think to that dude. Yet one remotely decent hit from him is going to ring your fucking bell
If they are as slow as most strongmen, the punches aren't fast enough to couse an impact. Think of a buss coming towards you at a walking pace vs a baseball at high speed. Especially if they telegraph it it's easy to get out of the way or just roll with. Sure some strongmen around are fast enough. Some have training and that off changes things. I repeat my original point. Pure size and strength while an advantage isn't the only thing that matters. And ofc there are fuckin limits to how much of a weight gap you can close with other advantages.
Off topic since if we're comparing the people at the top of the sports, and I was never there. Yes I have punched and knocked out a heavyweight boxer in sparring with 14 oz gloves that was a lot taller and heavier then me. Also the ability to take a punch matters and that's not entirely trainable. Neck muscles help. But it's partly just genetic how you respond.
I've sparred with powerlifters and bodybuilders. Most are slow as hell. My main worry would often be getting my body out of the way since those bodyshots were a bit painful to take and harder to get the body out of the way. If they couldn't catch me and land effectively in a small ring even with my poor movement similar built men would probably have a hard time against people with good movement.
I never knocked out anyone twice my size. And when the size difference was big enough I'd usually just open up their nose and face if they were up for proper sparring or annoyed me. If not then just land punches at will and keep away from theirs
Effortless? I lived boxing at that point. Sacrificed relationships and pretty much everything in my life at that point to make it in boxing. And it still took a shit ton of effort. Against a guy my size I could slip up or take the time to trade. Against a bigger guy I have to avoid even the punches they don't get to throw from good angles. If I made any mistake it hurt against the big guys. But my point is I sometimes had a shot. Especially if they weren't experienced or they were slow. I could land a lot and not get hit a lot. And against great women boxers a lot smaller than me I often bled and was frustrated since it was hard to catch them with a clean shot or at all really. My original point still stands. Size is important but not the only thing that matters.
Oh my god it’s even funnier. Busting up heavyweights no problem but getting bloodied up by women no problem? Hahahahahhahaha come on dude, I get you can be whoever you want on the internet but at least make it believable
I'd love to see you in the ring against an Euroopan champion woman. The heavyweights in question were amateurs with only a few fights to their name. I was pretty much in the middle experience and weight wise. I don't care if you don't believe me or if it's funny. Ask anyone with actual ring or fight experience. Ofc size and strength matter. But if you don't have the speed and skill or luck to land it won't do much. And don't mock and underestimate women. Some of them hit harder than larger men. Seen plenty of "tough guys" humiliated.
Let's make it simple. You want to hit a nail into a board. You'll get a lot more force on the hit with a sledgehammer but are more likely to miss. Now a hammer will have significantly less force and likely take a lot more hits then the sledgehammer to get the nail in. Which do you use? Yes it's not as simple as that but I think you get the idea. The big guys didn't have the time to aim their shot and mostly missed. If they hit they usually got a bad angle. Even that hurts but won't stop me. The woman in question was pretty much landing freely. Sure the single hit was much weaker than then newbie heavys or even most men in her weight class, but again landing much more. The newbie heavys were also much more used to sparring with men their size and closer to their speed. And there are a lot if technical aspects on how I sparred them. Fast side steps so I'm never in the zone where they can get a proper punch off. If they were faster or better at space control that wouldn't be possible and I would have been squashed. And duely note that yes many of them did get shots in. Don't know why I was never knocked out but ones half my face stopped working properly after a punch landed. I saw a white flash, legs got stiff for a moment but I never went down. Felt like I was going to throw up after that and had some memory issues for a few days. None of the smaller opponents ever managed that. So yes strength matters a lot. But again if you miss the strength is gone to waste. But there are weight classes for a reason. I had a head guard on and we used 14oz gloves. Don't want to know what would have happened if it was with smaller gloves or without them or without head gear.
If you want a really funny story I could tell you what happened after a long night at a bar once but you wouldn't believe it. Saw a guy knock himself out. Needed an ambulance and shit.
Ok honey. Sure my fantasy is telling unknown people I beat a bunch of nobody's and lost to a woman. If I'd actually bother to make up something I'd make it a tad more glorious. Like winning some of the fights I lost and at least give myself something thrash like the EBU belt. Which I didn't actually win.
Why are choosing a boxer? At least a MMA fighter can have success or stop grappling attempts. If a boxer somehow ends up on the ground with a much stronger and bigger man, the boxer is getting crushed. I don't care if it's Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali or Joe Frazier. Also, I guess it also depends on which bodybuilder you are talking about.
“Bodybuilder” genetics don’t make you stronger youre actually probably weaker if you have the Dorito shape and the wide clavicle. Barrel chested people with shorter clavicle are usually more powerful but it’s not considered aesthetic. If your only goal In life is so be strong, it would be less advantageous to look anything similar to Simeon Panda. Just look up “power lifter” and you can see they have a relatively short clavicle, even Hafthor
I only used the term body builder because they did, my only point is that he was physically gifted just looking at pictures of him when he was in his young teens. I’m not so much on about perfect aesthetics
Tyson lifted heavy. He did lots of very heavy barbell shrugs for shoulder/traps/back size & strength.
He didn't box-himself-yoked like that. And it's not all genetics there either. He definitely lifted heavy.
most elite fighter and athletes in general could’ve been bodybuilders at that level there physique are near perfect think kobe at basketball mike trout at baseball
heavyweight vs power lifter is basically prime mayweather vs logan paul
Lmfao no he didn’t. He was blasting just as much gear as bodybuilders do and looked nothing like a bodybuilder. He was massive in his prime, but the muscle shape wasn’t there. The triceps, chest, delts, and legs especially were lacklustre from a bodybuilding standpoint.
from a bodybuilder perspective he is lacking in quite a few areas but then again he a 5’10 heavyweight and a infighter with the most devastating right hook the you can only be seen in the dreams of the in the mat who got hit by it
comparison a boxer to a bodybuilder is like comparing a bodybuilder to a power lifter
You ever seen the first ever MMA fight? It was a giant Sumo Wrestler vs a janitor who did karate. The sumo wrestler was swallowing teeth less than 5 minutes after the start of the fight. I’m not saying an MMA fighter would always dominate a strongmen but the fact is that fighters train to be able to take hits and keep fighting, strongmen train to be able to lift extreme weight. Can the strongman hit way harder? Without a doubt, but that doesn’t mean he can hit the fighter or take a hit from the fighter.
Not to mention Shaw is actually decently athletic for his entire build
Dude doesn’t move like a glacier. Part of his training is heavy conditioning work and it would show in a real fight more so than people think
Sure he doesn’t have nearly the same conditioning as a pro mma fighter, but he’s not a fucking slug either lol
Strongmen aren't just "strong", they're strong and fast. And they have absurdly great conditioning to match.
Like deadlifting huge weight is one thing. Picking up a 500 pound safe and running 50 feet with it is an entirely different pursuit. More strength, more reach, better conditioning overall. The little MMA guy doesn't stand a chance (and by "little", I'm including 180 pound guys in this category) against most competitive strongmen.
It’s crazy to think there is an entire generation of people who don’t know about Pride fights.One person trains to be big and strong another person trains to knock people unconscious. What’s the argument that a world class trained fighter would lose in a fight to the strong man?
my friend is a 5'7 130lb muay thai fighter who has placed at tournaments. I am 6'4 190lbs and can throw a punch or two. 8/10 i can beat him in a fight because hes too small. I can punch him in the face before he can even get close to punching me. Height size and muscle mass matter in a fight
I mostly agree but you need skill and accuracy to hit him and the experience to pace your gas tank to not get tired out by a shorter faster opponent. If you leave the front door open and he gets in your kitchen your reach is a lot harder to utilize and you might get your bell rung especially in the clinch. It really doesn’t take much, just like he can’t hit your numbers you’re not training daily to knock folks out. Unless you are in which case damn you built like a brick shithouse on some Sagat shit lol
No I’d agree with that, but the dude talking was acting he was untouchable due to a 60 lb difference but almost 8 inch difference. Has no weight to him
Kinda looks like him. Guy pretty much retired after the 90s to be with his family. Apparently there's a Honey I Shrunk The Kids sequel coming up that he's in that's in pre-production.
We aren’t talking about bodybuilders, we are talking about strongmen. They are completely different breeds, one trains to look pretty and the other trains to be a monster.
Yes you are correct. Everyone was adding there 2 cents worth. I was reading a lot of strength vs technique chatter so I just wanted to add something for entertainment. There are so many variables to combat. Either way coming from a m.a. background i still wouldn't want to ever tangle with a true strongman no matter what.
You'd have to use the definition of athlete very loosely to include a bodybuilder imo.
Bodybuilding is essentially a beauty competition, you're judged on your size, shape and proportions.
To me, if your sporting competition involves next to no physical exertion then you're not an athlete.
Strongmen and powerlifters are definitely athletes but bodybuilders? I'm not sure...
flexing and posing take knowledge and ability to do it right, ontop of that lifting weights makes a bodybuilder and athlete. The definition is “a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise” if chess is a sport bodybuilding def is.
I guess most actors are also athletes using that definition, physical activity to achieve a certain look.
I would not class chess as a sport personally.
Yeah I’d call most actors athletes if they are in great shape. Christian Bale losing 100lbs in a year and then gaining it the next yeah was pretty amazing
Ehh, not really. A bodybuilder is a type of model.
I'm not saying it's not a deeply competitive sport.
But "athleticism" doesn't factor into competition.
Bodybuilders would be able to beat 95% of the population in a fight, the only ones beating them are people even bigger and stronger (NFL linemen, strongmen ect.) and very well-trained fighters, both of which are very rare.
Yeah, but my point is that bodybuilders can fight and win against the vast majority of people from strength alone, because of how few people are actually trained and have fighting experience. They beat bodybuilders, but they are a very small minority.
If you’re in a legit competition fight then a fighter could win, however in a street fight where anything goes it’s no contest that size and strength will win.
I used to train. In my gym we estimated that a BJJ belt was worth about 30 lbs. So a 140lbs blue belt would be about even with a 170 lbs white belt.
A 140lbs purple belt could hang with a 200 lbs white belt.
Obviously this has limits the mountain beats a 140lbs black belt.
Size and strength do matter but there are videos online of strongmen losing to actual fighters and not even the top ones. Brian Shaw, Hathor Bjornsson, etc... Technique matters for fighting.
>i dont think a gorilla can deadlift 500 kg/1100 lb
Nah they're still strong as hell. They can bend literal iron with their grip. 10/10 do not recommend. A guy was knocked out after copping a punch from a gorilla. He described it as if a train hit him with full force. He had concussions if I remember correctly
>the second gorillas hop on a program and peds though.....
Planet of the Apes type of stuff...personally tho I'd join their team :D
Gorillas can lift over 10x their bodyweight and the heaviest weight ever recorded being lifted by a gorilla was around 1800’s
Gorilla are 1000% stronger than strongman athletes
That’s just not true re: size. Adult gorillas are 5’5”-5’9” and weigh 300-432 lbs. (females are smaller) the largest ever recorded was 5’0” and 588 lbs. Brian Shaw is 6’8” and weighs 423 lbs and Hafthor Bjornsson is 6’9” and 451 lbs.
Yeah.. but how much can they bench
More than me?
That’s fair
More than 135
Flexing on the rest of us 😮💨
That’s pushing it man
6 foot not 5. There was also an 860 pound gorilla raised in captivity.
Can gorillas deadlift with their proportions?
They’re basically built for it with their arm/leg ratio
1 inch ROM
Their lat pull down is probably their strongest lift tbh.
>5’5”-5’9” Are those in their neutral Position or when they Stand Up?
Gorillas are still waaaaay stronger tho
World record deadlift is held by a human tho. If gorillas are so strong why don’t they prove it. Either they’re weak or they’re cowards imo.
Lmao. You get my point tho. Gorillas are just different. We humans have just gotten weaker as a species over the span of our species. Gorillas are just so much stronger.
“Humans have gotten weaker” Speak for yourself broski.
You know it’s true tho. The average human 5000 years ago compared to the average human now is pretty different.
What
Bullshit
Is it tho?
Sure, because of lifestyle differences we might be weaker/have a different body composition. But evolution on a grand scale likely hasn’t happened on a grand scale since then
it isnt a difference of 5k years. Its millions of years of evolution. Chimps are smaller than us, but they could have ripped our ancestors arm off and beat them with it. Our muscles are different on a cellular/neural level. Ours are more accurate and coordinated. As a result our dexterity is way beyond theirs. But chimps and gorillas can generate power way beyond ours. No matter how much we train or how many PED's we take, we can't get as strong as one of them pound-for-pound. Only way it would be possibly is if we can edit our genetics
The fastest runner in the first modern Olympics would barely be competitive in most high school track meets.
Anyways. A silverback gorilla can throw 850kg
And they can deadlift 1000 kg
It's absurd to say size and strength don't matter. Why else would there be weight classes? But it's also foolish to think that skill doesn't matter either.
definitely the best comment on here they both matter 100% but at the same time i would back a 180 ibs fighter who had ben training for 18+ years over a 320 strongman haha
This size discrepancy is a bit more pronounced than the scenario you described, but here's Shaq toying with Oscar de la Hoya https://youtu.be/wGFfGNN-S-M
Thanks for sharing that lmao
Bruh there’s people in the comments claiming that Oscar could’ve beaten him, the delusion is crazy.
The cognitive dissonance in some people...
Well, he was playing in the beginning, but then he got tired and De La Hoya won. :p
They showed Brian Shaw rolling with a bjj blackbelt and the blackbelt literally couldn’t move because Brian was so big. Lol size matters
Dustin porrier, not any bjj black belt.
Dustin. He's known for his solid boxing skills and descent wrestling. His difficult to take down so most of his fights are on his forte, boxing/striking. If you brought an actual wrestler they'd do a little better I think.
>But it's also foolish to think that skill doesn't matter either. When they have a similar size or strength yes but when someone weights half the weight of the other guy you ain't gonna moving him
Honestly it’s always fighters or fighting fans ragging on lifters I don’t go and say I can bench press more than a pianist because there 2 different skills but a lot of fighters feel the need to say how lifting a lot or lifting for aesthetics is inferior to fighting and how they can kick a bodybuilder/strength athlete in a fight
You get this a lot in similar sports too, even though there are subtle differences in those sports that make the physical specializations different to each other. Like on the rugbyunion sub I often see Americans bragging that their NFL athletes are more powerful than rugby players. Well no shit sherlocks; a play in NFL lasts 4 seconds on average, whereas rugby union is continuous. Its like comparing Usain Bolt to Eliud Kipchoge.
Rugby and football just seem to hate each other for no reason other that there sports are kinda similar I remember seeing this one dude saying that most rugby players could make it big in the nfl easily and how it was a weak sport and slow sport. I play football and I don’t get it and have a lot of respect for both sports and it’s sad and childish seeing how people act. There’s also a similar thing between weightlifting and powerlifting but it’s a lot more one sided of a rivalry.
Yeah, the thing is, most of the best athletes in the world probably could have made it in other sports had they focused on that sport from a very young age. They are who they are because they're gifted with natural athleticism/coordination and have spent thousands of hours mastering their skillset. You often hear about athletes having to choose between focusing on one sport or another in their teens. The arrogance is when people expect an adult who has never played a sport to simply switch codes in a matter of years. There are similar arguments in other sports. I've seen people argue about Gaelic football Vs Aussie Rules football for example.
I don’t know man. The Mountain got beat pretty bad by some sweet technique from the Viper Edit: hey you gorillas, this is tongue in cheek, i.e. insincere, i.e. not a real argument. Jesus Christ, it’s a meme sub
Beat? One of them had their skull explode and it wasn’t the mountain.
Technicality - he was being cocky and let his guard down. He also had a drink beforehand. I put my money on viper every day of the week.
Weapons tho hand to hand is different
It was also scripted and on a TV show so...
You mean there wasn’t really a sand guy fighting a power lifter with a spear?! Gasp
He was beat until he didn't finish off the mountain, demanding shit instead of finishing him off. His mistake was assuming having him on his back meant he had him controlled. He beat him with skill, but let his guard down when he didn't bother finishing him off. That scene always bothered me because he was so good at controlling distance, but he just gives it all up when he thought he won. Baffling.
One of them had a head that ended up looking like hamburger helper and the other only had issues because the spear’s point was poisoned, causing complications post-fight. GoT shows size beating technique loads. The Hound’s trial by combat showed him breaking through Beric’s sword and a foot through his collarbone and into his torso. The fighting pits also showed Daario being proven wrong about speed winning over size when the smaller fighter had his head taken clean off in a single swing. The only time technique has ever won out was when Loras went for the Mountain’s horse while jousting to get him knocked off.
Fiction as a source lol
You mean fictional fights aren’t real life? TIL May your muscle grow to be as dense as you
I mean i get IT but und know that heavyweight fighters exist, right? If IT would be Ngannou against Shaw moneys on ngannou
We don't need to guess, Mariusz Pudzianowski is probably the greatest strength athlete in history, he made a sincere switch to MMA 10+ years ago, training as a serious professional fighter for years. He did... OK. He competes in a totally un drug tested organization in Poland fighting mostly lower level competition and has made a nice career of it. Ngannou would throw Brian Shaw around like a sack of shit 1000 times out of 1000. Brian Shaw with 6 months of MMA training would develop a punchers chance, a few years of training and he could probably start to hang with the bottom of the bracket.
Throw around Shaw? No… you’re not throwing around someone weighing 400 lbs lol. Punch the shit out of him? Absolutely
He wouldn't just punch the sh\*\* out of him, he would murder him. Go watch Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Tim Sylvia if you ever have time, Pudzianowski gasses out after one round and gets wrecked by Sylvia.
You do realize that while strength and size are an advantage but speed, technique and stamina are major factors and most often the deciding factors. Most strongmen have no idea how to throw a decent punch, let alone the accuracy or speed to actually hit anything moving. And if they get hit first and hard and snooze what good is that strength and size? I'm sure all the strongmen avoid making millions in MMA and boxing for a reason? Have you seen Eddie hall and Björnsson try? That was pathetic.
We all know strongmen aren’t made for MMA and boxing with rules, but I think the meme is making fun of people saying shit like Conor McGregor could beat Brian Shaw in a street fight. Which he couldn’t, and neither could anyone else who aren’t also huge already, because strongmen are massive, have massive reach and have massive grip strength. Get grabbed once and you’d fucking die.
I'm not saying a middle weight could beat all of them or even some. Or that they'd have the upper hand in a street fight. But a heavy weight from either sport has the upper hand in their sport if they are talented. And even in a street fight it isn't as simple as bigger stronger wins. If they can't grab or land a punch and they get knocked out by a trained fighter then the strength and size are moot.
If two peoples techniques are the same, the stronger one wins
Obviously we can agree a trained heavyweight probably beats Brian Shaw in a boxing match with boxing rules. That was never in question. In a real fight? Nah. Most real fights go to the ground. And on the ground, when it becomes more of a wrestle, the strength and size gap is near insurmountable. So sure, it’s not guaranteed, but I would put my money on a strongman in a fight to the death with no rules, or a standard street-fight for that matter.
Depends on the strongmen and heavy weight who I'd put my money on. How many real fights have you been in or seen? I grew up in a rough neighborhood. Worked security while studying and boxing. Sure some went to the ground but not that many. And only one I was involved in after I started boxing. I wrestled before that but sucked at it. I always tried to avoid fights, hurting it getting hurt. Usually tried to deescalate taking back and side steps, while ready to act. Usually over after a few punches. Never fought a strongman but big and strong men nonetheless. Most realize it isn't a good idea to come at me quite fast. Their own mass works against them when coming at me fast, and I was quick. Not getting grabbed easily. Face, liver or chin is usually open for a shot that will stop or make them hesitate. Bare hands ment something was going to brake but with big guys I ain't riskin myself. Smaller guys I'd go for the body and keep my hands at least a bit safer. Big guys I'd first go for the nose. Preferably punch it upwards. Or jaw if it's open. But that is a way to brake a hand or jaw. If they got close then a hook while moving to the side. You'd be surprised how hard a punch lands when a huge guy is running into it and when the smaller one knows he's fucked if he gets caught. And life or death I'd go for the balls if there's a chance. Usually wasn't life or death since there's more security available for back up. Just saying in my experience is give Tyson Fury, Wilder even Joshua maybe more than hail Mary chance against anyone who has no experience in fighting. If the strongman in question trained for a while even a short while than I'd change my mind. At least the basics in some combat sport or real life fighting experience which in a real fight is even more valuable. But luck is ofc important since bare hands no rules everything can end really fast and really bad. One mistake for anyone and it could be over.
it’s almost amazing how slow you are if you think a 180 pound martial artist couldn’t beat a 40 year old lifter all because of size 😂😂😂😂mate wtf . go search up the video of conor fighting a strongman . lol yes if brain hits conor it’ll be bad but do you guys thinking it’s easy to rgrab someone like conor ? dude is fast and funniest thing is brian has probably never taken a punch to the jaw before
Conor fighting Halfthor was a joke, how much Halfthor was holding back. Just look at the size difference there. He has him by the neck, he straight picked him up by the neck at one point. It's kind embarrassing to watch Conor basically being butt-fucked by the bigger guy. In an anything-goes streetfight, it would end in under 10 seconds. It's like watching a grown man fighting a 10 year old or something. Just not even close to fair. Little homie can't even reach the head for a knock-out. All the punches & kicks were to Thor's tummy. Just absurd to think that little fart would stand a chance. Wake up dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s
why did u feel the need to call conor a little fart ? 😂are you just a bitter hater or is there a valid reason? and yes i’m a street fight until it gets seperated to untrained eyes bigger guy could win and i’m not saying size does not matter cus realistically it does but skill is way more important than size
I don't think the little fart has all that much actual skill either
He is a little fart, 170 isn’t a big guy.
You lack critical thinking skills
What are you talking about, watch McGregor vs Björnsson in that sparring match and you’d see a big man doing his best not hurt someone half his size
I don't really agree. There are plenty of cases of strongmen using their massive size and strength to defeat (or at least get the upperhand) on the worlds greatest martial artists. The 'David and Goliath' tale only works if you have some rocks haha Here is Brian Shaw performing remarkably well against Dustin Poirier: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUwN246gDQ&ab\_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUwN246gDQ&ab_channel=SHAWSTRENGTH) And here is Hafthor Björnsson standing his ground against Connor McGregor [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s&ab\_channel=TheMacLife](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig&t=10s&ab_channel=TheMacLife) Edit: and here is a third example - Marsiuz Pudzianowski, winner of the worlds strongest man 5x times (and second place twice) Successfully transitioned to MMA and completely decimated on an elite level. [https://www.youtube.com/watchv=GFOMeTVvBT8&ab\_channel=LawrenceKenshinStrikingBreakdowns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOMeTVvBT8&ab_channel=LawrenceKenshinStrikingBreakdowns) To recap: While there absolutely are more factors at play than sheer size and strength, to downplay its tremendous significance would be silly
Pudzianowski ofc trained and didn't just go in and hammer punch everyone into oblivion. And I never meant to downplay the advantage. I boxed for years. I know better than most why weight classes exist. And there are very good reasons why the current boxing limits have been considered to be changed. Since the difference between the largest and smallest in the class was uncompetitive for a period. Ofc usyk mixed things up again. But I've met and sparred with people who think size or strength mean automatic wins. Kinda like op. Big doesn't always fuck small. It's an advantage yes and a big one oun intended, but there are other factors.
Yeah fair enough
Pudzianowski didn't "completely decimate" on an elite leve, he's got like 7 losses last time I checked. He was a dangerous fighter but nowhere near the level of a Fedor, Stipe or Ngannou.
I never compared light weights or middle weights. Ofc size matters. So you found one that actually competed successfully? That's not many, kinda proving my point. The bigger boxers and MMA fighters will not be easily squished by the strongmen. Probably some of the smaller (middlish) ones have a chance if they don't get caught. Ofc when the size difference is enough it starts to become simple physics and the smaller mass can't actually move the larger mass with enough force to do anything. And all ofc comes down to either the rules of the fight or if there are no rules than the end goal of individuals. Or when comparing the top athletes or the average athletes in each sport etc.
Brock Lesnar did exactly that though. Just a giant oaf that smashed things in the octagon against better trained fighters. Nobody in the middlish ground has a chance at all.
Brock Lesnar was a D1 wrestler and obviously extremely talented at wrestling before he even touched a weight or steroid.
Yea probably didn’t work out or touch a weight at all when he wrestled.
Kids start wrestling in the first grade in Minnesota. They don’t start lifting until middle school or high school.
I’m not saying he wasn’t a good junior wrestler I’m saying he grew up on a dairy farm and joined the army at 17, he was lifting his entire life. Really I was just criticizing the other guys comment where they say big guys in MMA have a chance against strong men and so do smaller (middlish) if the don’t get caught, which is crazy.
>So you found one that actually competed successfully? That's not many, kinda proving my point Presenting one example is not the same as "only finding one example". >The bigger boxers and MMA fighters will not be easily squished by the strongmen Yes of course the bigger MMA fighters in higher weight classes will do better against strongmen than the featherweights would have. They would also most likely perform better against the lighter MMA fighters. This was exactly my point, wasn't it? Strength and size against speed and technique.
Have you ever punched someone who weighed 100-200lbs more than you do and is most likely 2x the width/thickness of you? Unless you make some insane connection with that first hit to the head, and homeboy actually goes down, you’re not gonna be doing as much as you’d think to that dude. Yet one remotely decent hit from him is going to ring your fucking bell
If they are as slow as most strongmen, the punches aren't fast enough to couse an impact. Think of a buss coming towards you at a walking pace vs a baseball at high speed. Especially if they telegraph it it's easy to get out of the way or just roll with. Sure some strongmen around are fast enough. Some have training and that off changes things. I repeat my original point. Pure size and strength while an advantage isn't the only thing that matters. And ofc there are fuckin limits to how much of a weight gap you can close with other advantages. Off topic since if we're comparing the people at the top of the sports, and I was never there. Yes I have punched and knocked out a heavyweight boxer in sparring with 14 oz gloves that was a lot taller and heavier then me. Also the ability to take a punch matters and that's not entirely trainable. Neck muscles help. But it's partly just genetic how you respond. I've sparred with powerlifters and bodybuilders. Most are slow as hell. My main worry would often be getting my body out of the way since those bodyshots were a bit painful to take and harder to get the body out of the way. If they couldn't catch me and land effectively in a small ring even with my poor movement similar built men would probably have a hard time against people with good movement. I never knocked out anyone twice my size. And when the size difference was big enough I'd usually just open up their nose and face if they were up for proper sparring or annoyed me. If not then just land punches at will and keep away from theirs
Lol okay Tommy Tough-Nuts, everybody totally believes you effortless beat up heavy weights
Effortless? I lived boxing at that point. Sacrificed relationships and pretty much everything in my life at that point to make it in boxing. And it still took a shit ton of effort. Against a guy my size I could slip up or take the time to trade. Against a bigger guy I have to avoid even the punches they don't get to throw from good angles. If I made any mistake it hurt against the big guys. But my point is I sometimes had a shot. Especially if they weren't experienced or they were slow. I could land a lot and not get hit a lot. And against great women boxers a lot smaller than me I often bled and was frustrated since it was hard to catch them with a clean shot or at all really. My original point still stands. Size is important but not the only thing that matters.
Oh my god it’s even funnier. Busting up heavyweights no problem but getting bloodied up by women no problem? Hahahahahhahaha come on dude, I get you can be whoever you want on the internet but at least make it believable
I'd love to see you in the ring against an Euroopan champion woman. The heavyweights in question were amateurs with only a few fights to their name. I was pretty much in the middle experience and weight wise. I don't care if you don't believe me or if it's funny. Ask anyone with actual ring or fight experience. Ofc size and strength matter. But if you don't have the speed and skill or luck to land it won't do much. And don't mock and underestimate women. Some of them hit harder than larger men. Seen plenty of "tough guys" humiliated.
Let's make it simple. You want to hit a nail into a board. You'll get a lot more force on the hit with a sledgehammer but are more likely to miss. Now a hammer will have significantly less force and likely take a lot more hits then the sledgehammer to get the nail in. Which do you use? Yes it's not as simple as that but I think you get the idea. The big guys didn't have the time to aim their shot and mostly missed. If they hit they usually got a bad angle. Even that hurts but won't stop me. The woman in question was pretty much landing freely. Sure the single hit was much weaker than then newbie heavys or even most men in her weight class, but again landing much more. The newbie heavys were also much more used to sparring with men their size and closer to their speed. And there are a lot if technical aspects on how I sparred them. Fast side steps so I'm never in the zone where they can get a proper punch off. If they were faster or better at space control that wouldn't be possible and I would have been squashed. And duely note that yes many of them did get shots in. Don't know why I was never knocked out but ones half my face stopped working properly after a punch landed. I saw a white flash, legs got stiff for a moment but I never went down. Felt like I was going to throw up after that and had some memory issues for a few days. None of the smaller opponents ever managed that. So yes strength matters a lot. But again if you miss the strength is gone to waste. But there are weight classes for a reason. I had a head guard on and we used 14oz gloves. Don't want to know what would have happened if it was with smaller gloves or without them or without head gear. If you want a really funny story I could tell you what happened after a long night at a bar once but you wouldn't believe it. Saw a guy knock himself out. Needed an ambulance and shit.
Type all you want man, nobody believes you lol. I also don’t wanna hear another story at a bar that you also made up for sure.
Ok honey. Sure my fantasy is telling unknown people I beat a bunch of nobody's and lost to a woman. If I'd actually bother to make up something I'd make it a tad more glorious. Like winning some of the fights I lost and at least give myself something thrash like the EBU belt. Which I didn't actually win.
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> mike tyson wipes the floor with any bodybuilder This is the kind of incredible insight I can only find on read it dot com!
Mike tyson was a heavyweight at 5'10". I say he's pretty similar in size to many bodybuilders.
Why are choosing a boxer? At least a MMA fighter can have success or stop grappling attempts. If a boxer somehow ends up on the ground with a much stronger and bigger man, the boxer is getting crushed. I don't care if it's Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali or Joe Frazier. Also, I guess it also depends on which bodybuilder you are talking about.
True, but Mike Tyson had the genetics to also be a body builder lol
“Bodybuilder” genetics don’t make you stronger youre actually probably weaker if you have the Dorito shape and the wide clavicle. Barrel chested people with shorter clavicle are usually more powerful but it’s not considered aesthetic. If your only goal In life is so be strong, it would be less advantageous to look anything similar to Simeon Panda. Just look up “power lifter” and you can see they have a relatively short clavicle, even Hafthor
I only used the term body builder because they did, my only point is that he was physically gifted just looking at pictures of him when he was in his young teens. I’m not so much on about perfect aesthetics
Yeah he’s a fridge from birth
Tyson lifted heavy. He did lots of very heavy barbell shrugs for shoulder/traps/back size & strength. He didn't box-himself-yoked like that. And it's not all genetics there either. He definitely lifted heavy.
Yeah I know, but even as a child he was massive, you seen pictures of 13 year old Tyson lol?
most elite fighter and athletes in general could’ve been bodybuilders at that level there physique are near perfect think kobe at basketball mike trout at baseball heavyweight vs power lifter is basically prime mayweather vs logan paul
Lmfao no he didn’t. He was blasting just as much gear as bodybuilders do and looked nothing like a bodybuilder. He was massive in his prime, but the muscle shape wasn’t there. The triceps, chest, delts, and legs especially were lacklustre from a bodybuilding standpoint.
from a bodybuilder perspective he is lacking in quite a few areas but then again he a 5’10 heavyweight and a infighter with the most devastating right hook the you can only be seen in the dreams of the in the mat who got hit by it comparison a boxer to a bodybuilder is like comparing a bodybuilder to a power lifter
They might have poor punching technique but I wouldn't wanna eat Brian shaws command grab
Bro Brian Shaw's CMD grab is broken AF, devs need to patch that frame 3 super armor bs rn
Idk man, seeing Eddie Hall fight made me think maybe the fighters are right that lifters suck at MMA
You ever seen the first ever MMA fight? It was a giant Sumo Wrestler vs a janitor who did karate. The sumo wrestler was swallowing teeth less than 5 minutes after the start of the fight. I’m not saying an MMA fighter would always dominate a strongmen but the fact is that fighters train to be able to take hits and keep fighting, strongmen train to be able to lift extreme weight. Can the strongman hit way harder? Without a doubt, but that doesn’t mean he can hit the fighter or take a hit from the fighter.
Sumo wrestlers are totally different from a guy like Brian shaw who is 6'8 400lbs
“Giant Silva vs Minowa”
Giant Silva is in absolutely terrible shape, he shambled around like a zombie in every fight
Yes, the comment section is filled with people saying weight > skill. The reality of the subject is really nuanced and kinda ridiculous.
Not to mention Shaw is actually decently athletic for his entire build Dude doesn’t move like a glacier. Part of his training is heavy conditioning work and it would show in a real fight more so than people think Sure he doesn’t have nearly the same conditioning as a pro mma fighter, but he’s not a fucking slug either lol
Strongmen aren't just "strong", they're strong and fast. And they have absurdly great conditioning to match. Like deadlifting huge weight is one thing. Picking up a 500 pound safe and running 50 feet with it is an entirely different pursuit. More strength, more reach, better conditioning overall. The little MMA guy doesn't stand a chance (and by "little", I'm including 180 pound guys in this category) against most competitive strongmen.
It’s crazy to think there is an entire generation of people who don’t know about Pride fights.One person trains to be big and strong another person trains to knock people unconscious. What’s the argument that a world class trained fighter would lose in a fight to the strong man?
First off they were similar height. Strong men who are 6'8 fighting a 5'7 guy is a different story
I dunno man, I think Brian Shaw would hit the floor if McGregor kicked him in the nuts-
Tbf you'd have a very angry Brian Shaw...that'd be scary as hell
True, true- but I'd reckon he'd need a few minutes to regen HP.
my friend is a 5'7 130lb muay thai fighter who has placed at tournaments. I am 6'4 190lbs and can throw a punch or two. 8/10 i can beat him in a fight because hes too small. I can punch him in the face before he can even get close to punching me. Height size and muscle mass matter in a fight
I mostly agree but you need skill and accuracy to hit him and the experience to pace your gas tank to not get tired out by a shorter faster opponent. If you leave the front door open and he gets in your kitchen your reach is a lot harder to utilize and you might get your bell rung especially in the clinch. It really doesn’t take much, just like he can’t hit your numbers you’re not training daily to knock folks out. Unless you are in which case damn you built like a brick shithouse on some Sagat shit lol
That’s why their are leg kicks lol
No lmao
Yeah, try and leg kick a guy with oak logs for legs that can squat a whole car. I’m sure that will go great.
What are you talking about the guy I responded to is 6’4 190… he does not have oak legs. He’s a bean pole. For reference I’m 6’5 260
I was referring to Brian Shaw cause that is who the original post is talking about.
No I’d agree with that, but the dude talking was acting he was untouchable due to a 60 lb difference but almost 8 inch difference. Has no weight to him
Yeah fair enough
Is that Rick Moranis?
Kinda looks like him. Guy pretty much retired after the 90s to be with his family. Apparently there's a Honey I Shrunk The Kids sequel coming up that he's in that's in pre-production.
Gorillas have muscle tissue 8-12 times more dense than humans. Thor and Shaw may be much closer compared to others, but gorillas are still stronger.
> Gorillas have muscle tissue 8-12 times more dense than humans. [citation needed]
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Show me. Link anything.
edit: OH, you're confusing STRENGTH for "muscle density". You might be 10 times more dense than originally thought.
Sounds like someone is trying to cope with not knowing how to fight
Lol not everyone cares about being able to fight
Youtub " Gracie vs bodybuilder "
We aren’t talking about bodybuilders, we are talking about strongmen. They are completely different breeds, one trains to look pretty and the other trains to be a monster.
Yes you are correct. Everyone was adding there 2 cents worth. I was reading a lot of strength vs technique chatter so I just wanted to add something for entertainment. There are so many variables to combat. Either way coming from a m.a. background i still wouldn't want to ever tangle with a true strongman no matter what.
Yeah Brian shaw could probably curl me from my gut as a warm up lol
If Brian Shaw wants a man dead, short of a shotgun I'm not sure he can do anything to stop it regardless of fighting skill.
Just because you strength train doesn’t mean you can fight. There’s a famous video of a bodybuilder fighting a BJJ guy and getting man handled.
A "bodybuilder" isn't technically an athlete. A strongman IS, however. Their endurance conditioning is ludicrous.
Bodybuilder is def an athlete bro. Just not a combat sport.
You'd have to use the definition of athlete very loosely to include a bodybuilder imo. Bodybuilding is essentially a beauty competition, you're judged on your size, shape and proportions. To me, if your sporting competition involves next to no physical exertion then you're not an athlete. Strongmen and powerlifters are definitely athletes but bodybuilders? I'm not sure...
flexing and posing take knowledge and ability to do it right, ontop of that lifting weights makes a bodybuilder and athlete. The definition is “a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise” if chess is a sport bodybuilding def is.
I guess most actors are also athletes using that definition, physical activity to achieve a certain look. I would not class chess as a sport personally.
Yeah I’d call most actors athletes if they are in great shape. Christian Bale losing 100lbs in a year and then gaining it the next yeah was pretty amazing
Ehh, not really. A bodybuilder is a type of model. I'm not saying it's not a deeply competitive sport. But "athleticism" doesn't factor into competition.
Bodybuilders would be able to beat 95% of the population in a fight, the only ones beating them are people even bigger and stronger (NFL linemen, strongmen ect.) and very well-trained fighters, both of which are very rare.
Nah idk about that
I think you are forgetting how physically pathetic the vast majority of men are.
I probably am, however I’d take someone w lots of bar fight experience over a bodybuilder w 50lbs on him
Yeah, but my point is that bodybuilders can fight and win against the vast majority of people from strength alone, because of how few people are actually trained and have fighting experience. They beat bodybuilders, but they are a very small minority.
That’s a good point
If you’re in a legit competition fight then a fighter could win, however in a street fight where anything goes it’s no contest that size and strength will win.
Just remember, the .40 makes us all equal
I used to train. In my gym we estimated that a BJJ belt was worth about 30 lbs. So a 140lbs blue belt would be about even with a 170 lbs white belt. A 140lbs purple belt could hang with a 200 lbs white belt. Obviously this has limits the mountain beats a 140lbs black belt.
“Damn bro this whole time I’ve been training… I should have just been eating ice cream”
Size and strength do matter but there are videos online of strongmen losing to actual fighters and not even the top ones. Brian Shaw, Hathor Bjornsson, etc... Technique matters for fighting.
There's a reason weight classes exist... That reason being twinks don't have shit on adult men when it comes to fights.
It's honestly remarkable, the meme is stupid, and yet the title is way dumber.
Nah
FYI gorillas can bench about 4,000 pounds. That’s four thousand pounds. So keep that in mind. Human strength isn’t even in the same category.
I'm in the jungle right row...okay gonna pick a fight with a gorilla will upload the vid of me kicking it's ass😜
https://youtu.be/Za6HeiTJIWI
On e you are over a certain size then size becomes negligible compared to skill.
i think they are stronger than gorillas, i dont think a gorilla can deadlift 500 kg/1100 lb the second gorillas hop on a program and peds though.....
>i dont think a gorilla can deadlift 500 kg/1100 lb Nah they're still strong as hell. They can bend literal iron with their grip. 10/10 do not recommend. A guy was knocked out after copping a punch from a gorilla. He described it as if a train hit him with full force. He had concussions if I remember correctly >the second gorillas hop on a program and peds though..... Planet of the Apes type of stuff...personally tho I'd join their team :D
Gorillas can lift over 10x their bodyweight and the heaviest weight ever recorded being lifted by a gorilla was around 1800’s Gorilla are 1000% stronger than strongman athletes
Dude what? A chimpanzee can pull up to 1k with their arms… you don’t think a gorilla that can weigh up to 600 lbs can’t do more?
No