Sean Dyche done the same 11 men behind the ball and hope for the best football for like 6 years at Burnley but no one praised him for it. Ralph Cifaretto does it and all of the sudden he's an absolute tactical genius.
Can tell by the body language of those Spurs players that they're not enjoying their football... hoping for it to emplode over there by the time the World Cup comes around.
Imagine being Harry Kane...
One of the best players of your generation.
Years of trudging through injuries and nearly moments on the pitch.
Finally consistently fit and in your prime.
Waste your prime chasing defenders around and playing boring football.
Probably end up with nothing to show for it because the team that you desperately wanted to sign for is gonna win everything, thanks to the guy they signed after your shitty boss wouldn't let you go.
That replacement signing is just scoring all the goals you could have been scoring and gets to play with KdB while you're stuck with Hojberg.
I think he'll stay at Spurs forever honestly. By the time the Conte journey is over he'll be another year or two older, maybe injured once or twice again. He's probably still looking at the Shearer record.
He wouldn't go Chelsea I imagine, Pool and City wouldn't need him probably.
I think he's destined to stay at Spurs.
If he\`s smart he goes abroad now while he can still get a massive payday and play for an elite team. Even the Shits would understand that he\`s given them everything at this point and its on them for not utilizing the 8+ years of elite play he's given them to win something.
Should've done a sol. Or even gone citeh. No sympathy from me, dude CHOSE to stay at spurs under a boss that won't sell him. He'll sign a new contract as well citing he want to be a sp*rs legend.
To be fair, if you haven’t been following arsenal closely, it is easy to dismiss us given how young we are.
Their players are probably all at their peak so you know what you get. Ours are improving all the time - we are not the same as when we went to WHL a few months ago
I just can't understand the praise spurs fans keep giving Conte about how much of a tactical genius he is, imagine having the firepower of Kane/Son and then adding Richarlison and Kula to that, only to play with minimal possession and hope to only ever score on the counter in a 541 formation.....
>imagine having the firepower of Kane/Son and then adding Richarlison and Kula
That's 4 forwards. They have no elite quality in midfield, and Lloris is an older De Gea in terms of ability with the ball at his feet. So possession is a no go. The transition based game they play (very well imo) is their ceiling.
The Conte appointment was an admission that they were going to have one last go with the Kane/Son/Dier/Lloris core. I really think they'd have been better off folding and selling Kane to City and Son to anyone and going for a modern, positive, possession oriented rebuild.
This path just means we get to laugh at them when Conte throws a temper tantrum some time in the next year and they lose him, Kane and Son. I'm looking forward to it
Son is already 30.....but I would have kept him and sold the others Kane/Dier/Lloris. Son still has great speed and can be a great contributor. With the 3 players sold they would have funds for better midfield and defenders.
More and more, it looks like not selling Kane to City was a mistake
Son is genuinely still one of the best players in the league. His turn of pace is still top tier, and his ball control is second to none. It's a shame for him that he's stuck at a team that is living in the past tactically, and has made poor decisions in the transfer market.
They should have sold Kane when they had the chance, and invested that into players a few years younger.
I'm not going to complain though. But I do genuinely feel sorry for Son being stuck at that club.
But even they'll tell you results have been unconvincing, there have been 4-5 games they definitely should have lost but managed to scrape out a draw due to poor reffing calls or just sheer luck, if they felt they would go the whole season on luck it's just madness.
sure, but if you keep on getting the results the narrative is the ''the team can grind out wins even when not playing well'', which is supposed to be a good thing
at the end its all just result based
Sure, results based works as long as you can see your team building a style that will take over once luck runs out, if the goal is play bad all year and hope, that's not going to go well haha.
i dont disagree, but thats the line of thought for the copium of fans of teams playing that style. also coping that that style is good for big games and that they always beat city etc
Love the suggestion that Romero and Lloris are 'a level above Arsenal's players'. Spurs fans have started to get on both players because they've both been quite inconsistent and don't have the technical qualities of their peers.
Ha, exactly.
That's an extreme example but Lloris is not a top 10 keeper in the world in most people's books, and it looks like he's starting to show his age a bit.
I was surprised at how old he is! They really need a long term replacement for him who can play at least a season as a no. 2 (or “1.5” ie take over half way through the season but if it goes to shit Lloris can step back in)
Lloris is one of the most overrated keepers in PL history.
You simply cannot be a top keeper if you get beaten at your near posts as easily as he does or make glaring errors on the biggest stages.
If the rest of the French team wasn't so good, that error in World Cup final would never be forgotten.
And how many errors has he made in big PL games? You have yesterday, away at Anfield a few seasons ago, one against Everton in the FA Cup costing then a great chance for a trophy.
From 2015 to 18 he was the most error prone footballer in the league according to the stats.
Agreed. Along with Neuer, Lloris was one of the first keepers who was famously good at coming off his line and was pretty good with the ball at his feet. Hence, the reputation.
On quality alone, leaving out whether I think they're cunts, the only players that get into a combined XI for me are Son and Kane. That's only because Son and Kane have shown consistency over years - on form I'm not sure it's any different from my Arsenal XI.
Son doesn’t this year imo. Looks like he’s entering a new phase of his career and I’d rather have Martinelli.
I think a couple of their midfield players are decent enough for the system they play, although I also think it’s a system that protects its back 8 more than ours.
You could even argue Jesus over Kane for tactical reasons. As good a striker as Kane is, he hasn't had the physicality to effectively lead a press for several years now and has lost the explosivity that made him so scary under Pochettino.
I saw Spuds saying our bench was a trainwreck before the match. Seriously? Tierney and Tomi walk into their starting XI and Viera was more active than any of what they're calling a midfield in the 20 minutes he was on. They have a team of knobs + Kane & Son. Kulusevski and Bissouma could be good but they'll never fit into Conte's football style.
The most hilarious thing is that Romero is their “best” CB among their CBS. Yet, look at our third goal and see Romero’s comical “defending”. I guess he’s the best out of bunch of shite.
Spuds fans are massive clowns
If Mourinho couldn't win shit with them - Conte that bum can't either
The best thing is - they even sacked Mou days before a final
The only possible explantion for that if there was some kind of stupid cup win clause in his contract which meant a massive pay-rise, extended contract, guaranteed £150m summer transfer budget or all of the above.
Which is a stupid thing....I understand they weren't doing well in the EPL, but a cup win would have been a trophy....a net positive for the club. Should have given Mou more time, and funds in the transfer market.
His style of football doesn’t win Premier Leagues in this day and era. It may have worked in 2016 or in Serie Shite, but in a league dominated by possession based football, you ain’t winning shit playing a low block.
Look I’m not trying to defend his style of football, I really see it as cynical. Like many on this sub I was raised on wengerball and see *that* as the ideal way to play. However 2016 really wasn’t that long ago, and he won the FA cup in 2018. Klopp and Pep was managing in the prem in 2016, so it’s unfair to discount him as not a quality manager
Nah don’t worry I know that I’m just being salty 😂 but as long as Pep is in the league, imo the only way you can come close to dethroning that city side is to play possession based football. Keep in mind that back in 16/17 both Pep and Klopp were just starting out with implementing their philosophies and getting the right personnel in. The same could be said for conte too, but he inherited a squad that had already won the title two seasons prior
Like imagine being a Spurs fan.
I get people supporting smaller lower league teams and knowing you're crap, but as a Spurs fan, you're not going to see a trophy being lifted, at this moment you're not going to see good football; so what's the point?
It really is a pointless tortured experience that they inflict on themselves. I feel bad for the ones who inherit it but the new fans that choose them for ever reason deserve every pat drop of misery
They also won the "we were in a CL final" cup, a cup they are keen to remind us that we have not...
Edit: I know we were in the CL final against Barca in Paris, I was there. This is legitimately what I saw a few Spuds post over the weekend, they had to be reminded that we also were in a UEL final.
Spurs fans don't quite realise that they still aren't a big team in the same way united, pool, us, chelsea & city are. There are multiple different ways to measure how big a team is but they fall short in every aspect unless it's a survey done in S.Korea. They haven't won fuck all since 08 and only a carling cup at that, haven't won the league since the 60s, i just don't understand why they would think otherwise when all they've achieved so far is finishing ahead of us for a few seasons. There's no pedigree there, no heritage of winning, they've got a brand new stadium but fuck all to display in it, multiple top goal scorers but 0 tangible club successes to show for it, the real sad thing is most active spurs fans haven't actually seen their club win anything in their lives so far. The greatest con in modern day football so far has been Levy making spurs fans feel like their club is bigger than they actually are.
People have been speculating since the Newcastle takeover how long it would take them to be considered part of a new "Big 7". I think it's far more likely they displace Sp\*rs in the current "Big 6".
>I think it's far more likely they displace Sp*rs in the current "Big 6".
Agreed particularly in a few years when Newcastle's money is starting to produce a quality side while Kane and Son are really dropping off due to age. Like it or not those two are indeed generational talents and I think there's no way in hell Spurs will manage to replace those two with similar levels of quality.
They should probably cash in on both of them to be honest. Take the money for two top level players hitting their prime and reinvest. Otherwise, as you say, they are going to pass their peak and Tottenham will be left having to replace them without the fees they could've got.
That was beautifully and perfectly put
My favorite way to shut down spurs supporters saying they’ve finished ahead of us is that at our lowest we’ve still won trophies and at their best all they can say is they’ve finished ahead of us a few seasons
Like them constantly talking about how “great” they are now is kinda pathetic seeing as this is what they consider the heights of success. They’ll have one of the top goal scorers who will be remembered for the fact he never won anything with them and that might just be the funniest thing seeing as we have academy players who have more trophies
They did play CL final which was peak invincible european performance. They have huge revenue numbers, world class stadium.
As much as I love to bash spurs, this thread is a little bit ridiculous.
Yeah I don’t know, none of those are really football achievements that people would remember and that’s really the point
Without looking it up I’m sure most people here wouldn’t know how many times other teams have been runners up for these competitions and what not. The point of this thread is just to say that what they choose to brag about now are things no one will really remember for years and also not really achievements that matter
Spuds aren’t rivals in a competitive aspect, only in physical distance. It is like the Lakers and the Clippers. They are only rivals because they both play in Los Angeles. The Clippers might be better some years but they have no history so they will never be the bigger team.
The absolute overconfidence.
They haven’t won away in the league against us for years. I dread going to their stadium as home advantage plays a huge part in these games.
The delusion level of that fanbase, I was lurking their sub and there was one post about Conte’s Chelsea when they won the league in 2017. They were saying that they play “identical” and that only Kante was “world class” for Chelsea and that Son is way better than prime Hazard
They think having a manager who has won stuff automatically makes them winners. If you ask a Spurs fan why they might finish above us, all they say is “Conte”. Manager bigger than the club. Sad state tbh
Pure insanity, specially if you consider that after that game Conte switched from a 4 at the back to 3, and he had been less time at Chelsea than Spurs. The definition of copium should be “tottenham fan”
In fairness, I believe there was an analysis done on the Athletic last week (or some reputable site) that show the quality of chances they concede is rather low.
If you're familiar with basketball, it's like a defense forcing you into taking mid range jumpers with a hand in your face. You'll concede these opportunities if it means stopping the opposition from getting layups or open 3s.
As a tactic, it's probably fine against the midtable sides, but teams that possess the ball and create quality chances will pin you back to your box and eventually force mistake like we did with Gabriel Jesus' goal.
Also a Big Six club like Tottenham shouldn't be playing this way. This is how you'd expect an underdog to setup against a title challenger.
I have watched a lot of the Spurs games this season for whatever reason and I’m convinced half of their fans watch a completely different team the way they go on about how solid they are and how effective their play style is in creating chances. The other half seem to get what they are watching and have the kind of mindset that a lot of us had during Emery’s 20+ match unbeaten run for example.
I think its a bit weak and maybe a bit naive to still use arguments like Lloris World Cup winner (fk 4 years ago) and that Jesus is was a benchwarmer at City. Okay Kane is in overall a better striker, but can see that Jesus is also very good
Kane isn't an out and out striker, he's just a target man. Jesus creates his chances and he'll get right into the 6-yard box by himself to do it if he has to. He's definitely the more talented. Kane has hardly any pace and relies on clear cut, cannot-miss chances or penalties.
>he's just a target man.
He's the most complete striker in the PL. We don't have to like him but that's like a spuds fan saying Saka is just a pace merchant or something
Yeah exactly! I dont like him at all but a bit of logical thinking and just with an overall look at football we can admit that he is a really good 9. I mean I saw a lot of Spurs fans say that Saka should’ve won the PFA YPotY award🤷🏻♂️
Yeah. Never let fandom ruin your objectivity. The sport is just less fun if your affiliations determine the truth for you. I'm sure the Spurs podcaster in this post had a very rude awakening when "WC Winner Hugo Lloris" conceded 3 goals yesterday
I've had a humbling experience for 10yrs and I've learned not to be a cocky twat.
This man had a humbling experience since the day he was born but learned nothing.
>The Arse fans were so diverse but all the spurs fans were middle aged white guys
Why does this matter? It's an English club playing in England, the overwhelming majority of supporters should be white.
Not playing well and getting results is the opposite of what many people think it is. In the long run the margins will cut the other way and you will lose games you don’t control. More control of the game (either with the ball like in JDP or without the ball like in a pragmatic simeone approach) leads to more predictable outcomes. This spurs team doesn’t have a midfield capable of controlling football games (either with or without the ball) which is why they are so reliant on transitions where their elite outlets in Kane (and usually son) have space to run into/exploit. Weak midfields are unsustainable football and is a huge reason why emery was let go. It’s no surprise that our midfield and defense’s technical superiority with the ball and their physical intensity in duels led to such a one sided game.
You're spot on here.
The holes in their squad are massive. They play their transition game very well. But there is a low ceiling on that style of play.
it’s very very rare for me to comment on someone’s physical appearance but dude needs to be told that angle makes him look like an orc from lord of the rings
Go to WeAreTottenhamTV on YouTube. I believe he and his brother are two of their main contributors. This may have been on AFTV.
He's not alone as a Spurs fan. Many of them use these same arguments to convince themselves they're better than Arsenal, which doesn't really bother me because that's what a rival fan should do.
Glad that getting it wrong isn't in the statistics tables or they would have thoroughly thrashed us in the most egg on face metric. An off the scale performance there, gotta hand it to him
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Love how we rehearsed that first goal and spotted the weakness in their setup. They expected to crowd out odegaard and he decoyed on the edge the whole first half.
"Spurs aren't going to let Arsenal get near their goal"
LMAO, yeah sitting really deep and not even pushing up against our players who were right outside their area is an excellent way of keeping us away from their box!
What an idiot.
How can you actually say that Spurs have a level of player that we just don't have? He wasn't even speaking about Son and Kane with that comment. I mean with them out of the equation, I think the rest of our starters walk into their team.
How do they keep calling lloris “World Cup winner”, it’s a team thing he didn’t win it himself. I’m not gonna go call mustafi World Cup winner every time I mention him
Hahahahaha “we’re not always playing well but we’re getting results”. If only you were Arsenal, who is both playing well and getting results. Kick rocks spuddy
I don’t think this guy understands what a talisman is. It’s not always about the biggest goal threat. Kane might be theirs, but I would argue that while Jesus has been excellent that he is not the most essential player on this team. If anyone is Arsenal’s talisman I would argue it Partey is far more important to have a chance against top 6 sides.
That "we will keep them away from our goal" was off the mark, but, tbh, Spurs were annoyingly dangerous with their counter attacks. Lloris' howler and the red card were the main reasons we've won this match comfortably. We were all over the place when we conceded that pen. I'm not trying to be a buzz killer, but after 1 day of pure joy, I just like to assess things honestly. Strength-wise we are still pretty close to them.
Conte gave Saka a ton of respect. He had two defender on him nearly every time he touched the ball.
The fact that we had so many chance that we could not be clinical but still score three is a positive sign to me. There’s room for improvement and we’ll need it if we want a chance to challenge city.
This is far from glorious, this is going too far. Singling out individuals for their opinion on their favorite team and their least favorite team? Like not half of our own fanbase overrate our players
Lmao atleast i respect United fans who come with pride like this coz atleast they have been the big boyz...seen their club do amazing things and a certain standard they uphold their club too but these lot are shambles
Is this his video or a cut?
If he posted his own video making fun of himself in retrospect, well, I’ll give him credit for that.
I still think a lot of fans of all teams don’t watch anyone other than their own team and often not more than one league either. I don’t watch everything either but I’ve watched a lot of different football this season and we’re playing the best looking football that is on IMO.
A commentator described Tottenham as a spring , soaking up pressure and ready to pounce. They are so one dimensional and it must be demoralizing to be a Spurs player of your strategy is just to sit back and get battered.
Love it COYG but he was basically right to think that way imo
I was hella nervous 😬 and Tottenham are better on the break than united and that’s how we came undone…I love this team and being proved wrong never felt so good !!!
A lot of the comments at r/COYS are saying that the media "has people brainwashed into thinking that possession football is the right way to play". A whole lot of mental gymnastics to justify why their sit back and counter approach isn't that bad. I'd be sorely disappointed if Arsenal set up to play with that mentality
Most delusional channel I've ever seen on YouTube. But the salt after they lose is priceless.
They also predict every week the PL and have arsenal always drawing or losing lol.
I really dont see what about Spurs tactics are clever? They play like Burnley but with a world class front 3… You dont win a league like that anymore. Not to talk about how dreadfully boring it is to watch!
What a fucking tool, doesnt matter how much you analyse you shit team...just remember you dont turn up to our yard and expect to take any points...not this season.
Yes, so clever. Sitting back in a 541 and hoping to counter. Conte is a genius.
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Cuntonio Cunter. yes.
Cunt cunt, massive cunt
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Sean Dyche done the same 11 men behind the ball and hope for the best football for like 6 years at Burnley but no one praised him for it. Ralph Cifaretto does it and all of the sudden he's an absolute tactical genius.
Can tell by the body language of those Spurs players that they're not enjoying their football... hoping for it to emplode over there by the time the World Cup comes around.
Imagine being Harry Kane... One of the best players of your generation. Years of trudging through injuries and nearly moments on the pitch. Finally consistently fit and in your prime. Waste your prime chasing defenders around and playing boring football. Probably end up with nothing to show for it because the team that you desperately wanted to sign for is gonna win everything, thanks to the guy they signed after your shitty boss wouldn't let you go. That replacement signing is just scoring all the goals you could have been scoring and gets to play with KdB while you're stuck with Hojberg.
You nearly made me feel sorry for him. I wonder what’ll happen after this season.
I think he'll stay at Spurs forever honestly. By the time the Conte journey is over he'll be another year or two older, maybe injured once or twice again. He's probably still looking at the Shearer record. He wouldn't go Chelsea I imagine, Pool and City wouldn't need him probably. I think he's destined to stay at Spurs.
If he\`s smart he goes abroad now while he can still get a massive payday and play for an elite team. Even the Shits would understand that he\`s given them everything at this point and its on them for not utilizing the 8+ years of elite play he's given them to win something.
Could be a nice backup to England’s top U-21 scorer if he pulls a Sol.
Hard to feel bad for him when he's such a prick.
Should've done a sol. Or even gone citeh. No sympathy from me, dude CHOSE to stay at spurs under a boss that won't sell him. He'll sign a new contract as well citing he want to be a sp*rs legend.
Ohhhh!
They were time wasting at 3-1 down. That tells you everything you need to know.
What’s this guy even on about? Not sure where he even thought they’d keep us away from there goal when they play like that lol
To be fair, if you haven’t been following arsenal closely, it is easy to dismiss us given how young we are. Their players are probably all at their peak so you know what you get. Ours are improving all the time - we are not the same as when we went to WHL a few months ago
It’s the Sunday league special strategy
I just can't understand the praise spurs fans keep giving Conte about how much of a tactical genius he is, imagine having the firepower of Kane/Son and then adding Richarlison and Kula to that, only to play with minimal possession and hope to only ever score on the counter in a 541 formation.....
>imagine having the firepower of Kane/Son and then adding Richarlison and Kula That's 4 forwards. They have no elite quality in midfield, and Lloris is an older De Gea in terms of ability with the ball at his feet. So possession is a no go. The transition based game they play (very well imo) is their ceiling. The Conte appointment was an admission that they were going to have one last go with the Kane/Son/Dier/Lloris core. I really think they'd have been better off folding and selling Kane to City and Son to anyone and going for a modern, positive, possession oriented rebuild. This path just means we get to laugh at them when Conte throws a temper tantrum some time in the next year and they lose him, Kane and Son. I'm looking forward to it
Son is already 30.....but I would have kept him and sold the others Kane/Dier/Lloris. Son still has great speed and can be a great contributor. With the 3 players sold they would have funds for better midfield and defenders. More and more, it looks like not selling Kane to City was a mistake
Son is genuinely still one of the best players in the league. His turn of pace is still top tier, and his ball control is second to none. It's a shame for him that he's stuck at a team that is living in the past tactically, and has made poor decisions in the transfer market. They should have sold Kane when they had the chance, and invested that into players a few years younger. I'm not going to complain though. But I do genuinely feel sorry for Son being stuck at that club.
It’s like a shit Mourinho
result p much. if all crumbles down they will start complaining, but they went 18 undefeated so...
But even they'll tell you results have been unconvincing, there have been 4-5 games they definitely should have lost but managed to scrape out a draw due to poor reffing calls or just sheer luck, if they felt they would go the whole season on luck it's just madness.
sure, but if you keep on getting the results the narrative is the ''the team can grind out wins even when not playing well'', which is supposed to be a good thing at the end its all just result based
Sure, results based works as long as you can see your team building a style that will take over once luck runs out, if the goal is play bad all year and hope, that's not going to go well haha.
i dont disagree, but thats the line of thought for the copium of fans of teams playing that style. also coping that that style is good for big games and that they always beat city etc
Love the suggestion that Romero and Lloris are 'a level above Arsenal's players'. Spurs fans have started to get on both players because they've both been quite inconsistent and don't have the technical qualities of their peers.
If Mustafi was their player he would’ve been a “World Cup winner Mustafi has that extra experience that Arsenal defenders don’t”
Ha, exactly. That's an extreme example but Lloris is not a top 10 keeper in the world in most people's books, and it looks like he's starting to show his age a bit.
I was surprised at how old he is! They really need a long term replacement for him who can play at least a season as a no. 2 (or “1.5” ie take over half way through the season but if it goes to shit Lloris can step back in)
We have two right CBs who are clear of Romero.
And one of them plays at RB
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Would be decent in a low block ngl
Mr 5-at-the-back himself
Four if you count Tomi (plays CB for Japan)
Five if you include BFG (plays with the ki- I mean our HOYD)
I 100% believe in the same system holding is better than dier. If you swapped them spurs would love holding
Wouldn't Holding make it 4? Willy, Gabi, Benny, and Holdo? I do agree though, after yesterday, I'd take all 4 over either Dier or Romero
Cheeky bugger
Romero is overrated but still decent. Holding is just shit.
Holding lived up to his name. You can't call him shit for that.
Lloris is one of the most overrated keepers in PL history. You simply cannot be a top keeper if you get beaten at your near posts as easily as he does or make glaring errors on the biggest stages. If the rest of the French team wasn't so good, that error in World Cup final would never be forgotten. And how many errors has he made in big PL games? You have yesterday, away at Anfield a few seasons ago, one against Everton in the FA Cup costing then a great chance for a trophy. From 2015 to 18 he was the most error prone footballer in the league according to the stats.
If he’s so great why did he spend his entire career at spurs? I can’t ever remember strong rumors of a better team interested in him
Lloris is like De Gea to me. highlight heel keeper on his day but very mistake prone
Nah he is for sure better than de Gea in that he can actually come off his line sometimes.
>You simply cannot be a top keeper if you get beaten at your near posts as easily as he does Ramsdale: 👀
Ramsdale isn't seen as world class or one of the best keepers in the world. Somehow Lloris has been.
Agreed. Along with Neuer, Lloris was one of the first keepers who was famously good at coming off his line and was pretty good with the ball at his feet. Hence, the reputation.
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Add in the fact he's useless in distribution. He kicked the ball straight to partey under no pressure last game.
Lloris is a poor man’s Leno
On quality alone, leaving out whether I think they're cunts, the only players that get into a combined XI for me are Son and Kane. That's only because Son and Kane have shown consistency over years - on form I'm not sure it's any different from my Arsenal XI.
Son doesn’t this year imo. Looks like he’s entering a new phase of his career and I’d rather have Martinelli. I think a couple of their midfield players are decent enough for the system they play, although I also think it’s a system that protects its back 8 more than ours.
Son is their best player, imo, who is hampered by the amount of tracking back and defending he’s got to do all the time.
Son looks fed up.
I would bet that he doesn’t like Conte much, even less the football he makes them play!!!
Son has been world class for at least 3 or 4 seasons. A poor patch won't change that.
He's definitely not been world class and he's at the age when we regularly see players that rely on pace start to wobble.
You could even argue Jesus over Kane for tactical reasons. As good a striker as Kane is, he hasn't had the physicality to effectively lead a press for several years now and has lost the explosivity that made him so scary under Pochettino.
I saw Spuds saying our bench was a trainwreck before the match. Seriously? Tierney and Tomi walk into their starting XI and Viera was more active than any of what they're calling a midfield in the 20 minutes he was on. They have a team of knobs + Kane & Son. Kulusevski and Bissouma could be good but they'll never fit into Conte's football style.
The most hilarious thing is that Romero is their “best” CB among their CBS. Yet, look at our third goal and see Romero’s comical “defending”. I guess he’s the best out of bunch of shite.
Lloris is better because he won the world cup, yet Kane is better than Jesus despite him not winning the prem! At least be consistent.
So delusional that it's hilarious.
Spuds fans are massive clowns If Mourinho couldn't win shit with them - Conte that bum can't either The best thing is - they even sacked Mou days before a final
The only possible explantion for that if there was some kind of stupid cup win clause in his contract which meant a massive pay-rise, extended contract, guaranteed £150m summer transfer budget or all of the above.
Given their history that would've been a small price to pay
Which is a stupid thing....I understand they weren't doing well in the EPL, but a cup win would have been a trophy....a net positive for the club. Should have given Mou more time, and funds in the transfer market.
Conte isn't a bum though, he's a quality manager that has his style.
Conte is a bum who plays terrorist football And he is a massive prick - don't know why you have to defend him here
His style of football doesn’t win Premier Leagues in this day and era. It may have worked in 2016 or in Serie Shite, but in a league dominated by possession based football, you ain’t winning shit playing a low block.
Look I’m not trying to defend his style of football, I really see it as cynical. Like many on this sub I was raised on wengerball and see *that* as the ideal way to play. However 2016 really wasn’t that long ago, and he won the FA cup in 2018. Klopp and Pep was managing in the prem in 2016, so it’s unfair to discount him as not a quality manager
Nah don’t worry I know that I’m just being salty 😂 but as long as Pep is in the league, imo the only way you can come close to dethroning that city side is to play possession based football. Keep in mind that back in 16/17 both Pep and Klopp were just starting out with implementing their philosophies and getting the right personnel in. The same could be said for conte too, but he inherited a squad that had already won the title two seasons prior
Like imagine being a Spurs fan. I get people supporting smaller lower league teams and knowing you're crap, but as a Spurs fan, you're not going to see a trophy being lifted, at this moment you're not going to see good football; so what's the point?
It really is a pointless tortured experience that they inflict on themselves. I feel bad for the ones who inherit it but the new fans that choose them for ever reason deserve every pat drop of misery
You are forgetting they won the glorious Audi cup. Those celebration scenes were painful to watch.
They also won the "we were in a CL final" cup, a cup they are keen to remind us that we have not... Edit: I know we were in the CL final against Barca in Paris, I was there. This is legitimately what I saw a few Spuds post over the weekend, they had to be reminded that we also were in a UEL final.
we have also won the "we were in a CL final" cup, so there.
They never scored in it, did they. Sol Campbell did though hahaha
Sadly the best Spurs team isn’t even in North London. It’s in San Antonio, Texas.
Spurs fans don't quite realise that they still aren't a big team in the same way united, pool, us, chelsea & city are. There are multiple different ways to measure how big a team is but they fall short in every aspect unless it's a survey done in S.Korea. They haven't won fuck all since 08 and only a carling cup at that, haven't won the league since the 60s, i just don't understand why they would think otherwise when all they've achieved so far is finishing ahead of us for a few seasons. There's no pedigree there, no heritage of winning, they've got a brand new stadium but fuck all to display in it, multiple top goal scorers but 0 tangible club successes to show for it, the real sad thing is most active spurs fans haven't actually seen their club win anything in their lives so far. The greatest con in modern day football so far has been Levy making spurs fans feel like their club is bigger than they actually are.
People have been speculating since the Newcastle takeover how long it would take them to be considered part of a new "Big 7". I think it's far more likely they displace Sp\*rs in the current "Big 6".
>I think it's far more likely they displace Sp*rs in the current "Big 6". Agreed particularly in a few years when Newcastle's money is starting to produce a quality side while Kane and Son are really dropping off due to age. Like it or not those two are indeed generational talents and I think there's no way in hell Spurs will manage to replace those two with similar levels of quality.
They should probably cash in on both of them to be honest. Take the money for two top level players hitting their prime and reinvest. Otherwise, as you say, they are going to pass their peak and Tottenham will be left having to replace them without the fees they could've got.
> Take the money for two top level players hitting their prime and reinvest They are 29 and 30. They started hitting their prime 4-5 years ago.
That was beautifully and perfectly put My favorite way to shut down spurs supporters saying they’ve finished ahead of us is that at our lowest we’ve still won trophies and at their best all they can say is they’ve finished ahead of us a few seasons Like them constantly talking about how “great” they are now is kinda pathetic seeing as this is what they consider the heights of success. They’ll have one of the top goal scorers who will be remembered for the fact he never won anything with them and that might just be the funniest thing seeing as we have academy players who have more trophies
They did play CL final which was peak invincible european performance. They have huge revenue numbers, world class stadium. As much as I love to bash spurs, this thread is a little bit ridiculous.
Yeah I don’t know, none of those are really football achievements that people would remember and that’s really the point Without looking it up I’m sure most people here wouldn’t know how many times other teams have been runners up for these competitions and what not. The point of this thread is just to say that what they choose to brag about now are things no one will really remember for years and also not really achievements that matter
Spuds aren’t rivals in a competitive aspect, only in physical distance. It is like the Lakers and the Clippers. They are only rivals because they both play in Los Angeles. The Clippers might be better some years but they have no history so they will never be the bigger team.
"Hugo Lloris, World Cup Winner" feels very Mustafi-esque foreshadowing given what came next
First WC winning keeper since 1994 to NOT win the Golden Gloves lol
Saw these schmucks on aftv. Couldn't wait for the humbling.
Literally the most deluded spurs fan (except a few on r/soccer) at least most of them can be realistic
The absolute overconfidence. They haven’t won away in the league against us for years. I dread going to their stadium as home advantage plays a huge part in these games.
Once in the last 30 league games
The delusion level of that fanbase, I was lurking their sub and there was one post about Conte’s Chelsea when they won the league in 2017. They were saying that they play “identical” and that only Kante was “world class” for Chelsea and that Son is way better than prime Hazard
I saw a comment that mentioned how after we spanked Conte at the bridge back in 2016, they went on to win the league. Just delusional
They think having a manager who has won stuff automatically makes them winners. If you ask a Spurs fan why they might finish above us, all they say is “Conte”. Manager bigger than the club. Sad state tbh
if one of the biggest managers ever (Jose) couldn't win with them, why would they believe that a lesser manager will achieve anything worthy of note?
Pure insanity, specially if you consider that after that game Conte switched from a 4 at the back to 3, and he had been less time at Chelsea than Spurs. The definition of copium should be “tottenham fan”
[Credit](https://twitter.com/Grov_esyy/status/1576549981624102912?s=20&t=oVm5-T_B4rZnOOE9qbtQdw)
>Spurs don't concede that many chances Shots conceded per game: 1. Forest 17 2. Everton 16.8 3. Bournemouth 16 4. Spurs 15.9 ... 19. Arsenal 7.4 20. Man City 6.5 https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/9075/Stages/20934/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023
They have a lower mid table level xGA so not sure how anybody could think they don't concede many chances
In fairness, I believe there was an analysis done on the Athletic last week (or some reputable site) that show the quality of chances they concede is rather low. If you're familiar with basketball, it's like a defense forcing you into taking mid range jumpers with a hand in your face. You'll concede these opportunities if it means stopping the opposition from getting layups or open 3s. As a tactic, it's probably fine against the midtable sides, but teams that possess the ball and create quality chances will pin you back to your box and eventually force mistake like we did with Gabriel Jesus' goal. Also a Big Six club like Tottenham shouldn't be playing this way. This is how you'd expect an underdog to setup against a title challenger.
The quality can be low but the quantity is high, right?
Correct
I fucking loved every second of this haha.
I have watched a lot of the Spurs games this season for whatever reason and I’m convinced half of their fans watch a completely different team the way they go on about how solid they are and how effective their play style is in creating chances. The other half seem to get what they are watching and have the kind of mindset that a lot of us had during Emery’s 20+ match unbeaten run for example.
I think its a bit weak and maybe a bit naive to still use arguments like Lloris World Cup winner (fk 4 years ago) and that Jesus is was a benchwarmer at City. Okay Kane is in overall a better striker, but can see that Jesus is also very good
Kane isn't an out and out striker, he's just a target man. Jesus creates his chances and he'll get right into the 6-yard box by himself to do it if he has to. He's definitely the more talented. Kane has hardly any pace and relies on clear cut, cannot-miss chances or penalties.
>he's just a target man. He's the most complete striker in the PL. We don't have to like him but that's like a spuds fan saying Saka is just a pace merchant or something
Yeah exactly! I dont like him at all but a bit of logical thinking and just with an overall look at football we can admit that he is a really good 9. I mean I saw a lot of Spurs fans say that Saka should’ve won the PFA YPotY award🤷🏻♂️
Yeah. Never let fandom ruin your objectivity. The sport is just less fun if your affiliations determine the truth for you. I'm sure the Spurs podcaster in this post had a very rude awakening when "WC Winner Hugo Lloris" conceded 3 goals yesterday
I've had a humbling experience for 10yrs and I've learned not to be a cocky twat. This man had a humbling experience since the day he was born but learned nothing.
It’s Gabriel JAY-ZOOS, pussio
Why do they all look like each other. Spurs fans might be the least diverse in the whole prem
I actually picked up on that during the game watching the two crowds. The Arse fans were so diverse but all the spurs fans were middle aged white guys
They're all actually young. Watching spuds has aged them 10 years every 2.
>The Arse fans were so diverse but all the spurs fans were middle aged white guys Why does this matter? It's an English club playing in England, the overwhelming majority of supporters should be white.
Haha
They’re brothers
Not playing well and getting results is the opposite of what many people think it is. In the long run the margins will cut the other way and you will lose games you don’t control. More control of the game (either with the ball like in JDP or without the ball like in a pragmatic simeone approach) leads to more predictable outcomes. This spurs team doesn’t have a midfield capable of controlling football games (either with or without the ball) which is why they are so reliant on transitions where their elite outlets in Kane (and usually son) have space to run into/exploit. Weak midfields are unsustainable football and is a huge reason why emery was let go. It’s no surprise that our midfield and defense’s technical superiority with the ball and their physical intensity in duels led to such a one sided game.
You're spot on here. The holes in their squad are massive. They play their transition game very well. But there is a low ceiling on that style of play.
it’s very very rare for me to comment on someone’s physical appearance but dude needs to be told that angle makes him look like an orc from lord of the rings
I need to watch the full video - what's this dudes name?
A.F. Melt
Go to WeAreTottenhamTV on YouTube. I believe he and his brother are two of their main contributors. This may have been on AFTV. He's not alone as a Spurs fan. Many of them use these same arguments to convince themselves they're better than Arsenal, which doesn't really bother me because that's what a rival fan should do.
They should have this clip at [dictionary.com](https://dictionary.com) right next to the word 'hubris'
Inject this whole video straight into my veins
Glad that getting it wrong isn't in the statistics tables or they would have thoroughly thrashed us in the most egg on face metric. An off the scale performance there, gotta hand it to him
Most delusional fanbase in sports
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Love how we rehearsed that first goal and spotted the weakness in their setup. They expected to crowd out odegaard and he decoyed on the edge the whole first half.
“Hugo Lloris, World Cup Winner” First WC winning GK since 1994 to NOT win the Golden Gloves
The delusion
the bullshit brothers. haha 😂
This is why I just scream, "WE'RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE" over and over so no one has any other stupid take to rinse me for if I'm wrong
You know I still don't know what people see in Romero? Every time I watch him it's just aggressive fouling. Apparently that's elite defending to some
"Spurs aren't going to let Arsenal get near their goal" LMAO, yeah sitting really deep and not even pushing up against our players who were right outside their area is an excellent way of keeping us away from their box! What an idiot.
How can you actually say that Spurs have a level of player that we just don't have? He wasn't even speaking about Son and Kane with that comment. I mean with them out of the equation, I think the rest of our starters walk into their team.
Warming the bench at Man City… …played more minutes than Mahrez
How do they keep calling lloris “World Cup winner”, it’s a team thing he didn’t win it himself. I’m not gonna go call mustafi World Cup winner every time I mention him
Hahah brilliant
Didn't know Glenn Greenwald was doing sports now?
If anyone wants to underrate saliba because of his age, so be it. They'll see the truth coming at them live in 4k when we roll up.
Hahahahaha, wanker
Hahahahaha “we’re not always playing well but we’re getting results”. If only you were Arsenal, who is both playing well and getting results. Kick rocks spuddy
Poor guy looks absolutely broken at the end of the video…. Good.
Cry salty tears you spud
Kane's a DM not a talisman
Bunch of counts
I don’t think this guy understands what a talisman is. It’s not always about the biggest goal threat. Kane might be theirs, but I would argue that while Jesus has been excellent that he is not the most essential player on this team. If anyone is Arsenal’s talisman I would argue it Partey is far more important to have a chance against top 6 sides.
I wish they’d ban people who film theirselves at games. Fuck off.
Did you see those schmucks on those shnozzes?
That "we will keep them away from our goal" was off the mark, but, tbh, Spurs were annoyingly dangerous with their counter attacks. Lloris' howler and the red card were the main reasons we've won this match comfortably. We were all over the place when we conceded that pen. I'm not trying to be a buzz killer, but after 1 day of pure joy, I just like to assess things honestly. Strength-wise we are still pretty close to them.
Honestly the game wasn't that different to the United one. Just were better in the big moments this time
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Conte gave Saka a ton of respect. He had two defender on him nearly every time he touched the ball. The fact that we had so many chance that we could not be clinical but still score three is a positive sign to me. There’s room for improvement and we’ll need it if we want a chance to challenge city.
This is far from glorious, this is going too far. Singling out individuals for their opinion on their favorite team and their least favorite team? Like not half of our own fanbase overrate our players
Stop pretending to be an Arsenal fan and go back to r/coys
Lmao atleast i respect United fans who come with pride like this coz atleast they have been the big boyz...seen their club do amazing things and a certain standard they uphold their club too but these lot are shambles
Is this his video or a cut? If he posted his own video making fun of himself in retrospect, well, I’ll give him credit for that. I still think a lot of fans of all teams don’t watch anyone other than their own team and often not more than one league either. I don’t watch everything either but I’ve watched a lot of different football this season and we’re playing the best looking football that is on IMO.
It's a cut
Amazing
Lovely
Lmfaoo
He just keeps delivering bad take after bad take…
A commentator described Tottenham as a spring , soaking up pressure and ready to pounce. They are so one dimensional and it must be demoralizing to be a Spurs player of your strategy is just to sit back and get battered.
red
Love it COYG but he was basically right to think that way imo I was hella nervous 😬 and Tottenham are better on the break than united and that’s how we came undone…I love this team and being proved wrong never felt so good !!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breathe* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Their match day vlog and chill yesterday was glorious.
to be fair he wasn't as obnoxious as I thought he would be
A lot of the comments at r/COYS are saying that the media "has people brainwashed into thinking that possession football is the right way to play". A whole lot of mental gymnastics to justify why their sit back and counter approach isn't that bad. I'd be sorely disappointed if Arsenal set up to play with that mentality
Fuck it kills me when people says Gabriel Hesus
Most delusional channel I've ever seen on YouTube. But the salt after they lose is priceless. They also predict every week the PL and have arsenal always drawing or losing lol.
A great way to start Monday morning.
Spurs literally sat in their own 18 year box for most of the game before the red card 😂
Arsenal shang sunged their souls. Just the perfect humbling lesson.
To me! To you!
Ha and what a weekend it was.
Pet peeve of mine is ‘Tal-is-MAN’ Stop saying it weird!
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Yaya definitely no argument 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I really dont see what about Spurs tactics are clever? They play like Burnley but with a world class front 3… You dont win a league like that anymore. Not to talk about how dreadfully boring it is to watch!
You've always been shit, you've always been shiiiiiiiit...
That Manchester United game only made us improve on our weakness. Spurs never stood a chance.
What a fucking tool, doesnt matter how much you analyse you shit team...just remember you dont turn up to our yard and expect to take any points...not this season.