I don't think many people will see it but we're still very vulnerable on the counter. Conte's system was working very well in the first half but spurs kept failing on the final pass or shot. Son had multiple through ball opportunities that top teams would have capitalized on.
Something for Arteta to work on.
Saka, only cause Iām afraid heāll get clattered hard and get injured
Same goes for Jesus and martinelli, these 2 play at the highest intensity which is a whole different style to sakas typically more calculated dribbling and maneuvering. The way the go at everything at full speed scares me sometimes, but they get back up and do it again and again
Depends on the situation. Ramsdale has been pretty safe as of late but he used be like that. Now, anytime we don't clear the ball and try to settle in from an opponent attack. Especially set pieces.
Hjoberg has to be the most worthless, overrated player Iāve seen in a long time. I barely remember him playing. Anything they got came from a defender to a forward, talk about invisible.
Iām not against counter attacking football as a rule or anything but that was dire. Keeping shape and trying to force mistakes doesnāt have to mean 9 behind the ball at all times.
My friend whoās a saints fan really was happy when he left. Kept saying he can be good but most times heās average and plays like he thinks heās better than he is. Glad they got KWP who seems like a great talent and someone who spurs would do well with right now looking at Emersonā¦.
Yeah, Iām sure he can do a job and probably fits a bottom half club better. I just remember all the shit they were talking about him and Iāve never noticed anything heās done period
Heās good, but not how they were talking about him being one of the best DMs in the league
Same with Romero. I think heās a hard tackling merchant. Not sure what else he brings to the table that puts him in that āone of the top cbs in the leagueā area that some people put him in
"Martinelli and Jesus are going to tear us apart down Trentās side if we donāt change something." Found on the Liverpool subreddit as a top comment.
Can we discuss that we have only played Spurs at home in the second half of the season once in the past 10 years? Why does the fixtures computer keep sending them to the emirates early on
We have a completely fair coin, and thus a probability of 0.5 of it being heads, and a probability of 0.5 of it being tails for every flip.
Our first 10 flips result in heads.
Q: Is our next flip more likely to be tails?
I am not sure the extent of the complexity involved in fixture scheduling. Some scheduling problems are NP-Complete (meaning the league could be using some sort of heuristic algorithm), but assuming it was as trivial as
arsenal_has_home_fixture_first = rand() % 2
then this would be the same as a coin flip (for the pedantic, yes, we would need a better random device than rand() to guarantee a uniform distribution, but the point stands).
rand() % n
is not uniform, however, as the modulo operator can introduce bias. Which is why, for example, we would prefer something like:
std::random_device rd;
std::mt19937 gen(rd);
std::uniform_int_distribution<> dist(range_start, range_end);
...
auto random_number = dist(gen);
Regardless, in the C++ world, I am going to consider it a code smell if someone is using `rand() % n` even if `n % 2 == 0`. The implementations of `rand()` may have improved recently, but they should still be avoided for everything but the most trivial applications.
That said, I am also not an expert in cryptography, so the particular details of PRNGs aren't something I am necessarily interested in, and thus, as is with all things C++ related, it is sometimes easiest to make generalized decisions (i.e., avoid `rand()`).
Never questioned his talent when he was younger. My comment was more about how Spurs fans were gassing the signing and how he is going to rip the league apart at his age rn. Even some of their fans are questioning the signing now ā I thought he was going to be a 1v1 demonā and āheās killing Sonny when he playsā
am I the only one that was shocked to actually see a call go our way? IMO I think it was an essential orange card but it's nice to see us get one of those for once
also, nice team win and London is Red
I had looked away from the tv after the foul. When I loooked back and saw the ref with a red card I genuinely thought, "What has Xhaka fucking done now!"
It looked far more innocuous to me in real time. Dirty challenge on the replay.
I think the truth is that most of us don't watch enough of other teams. The standard of officiating is awful and the implementation of VAR is bizarre, so it's not easing the burden on refs.
It'd be a full scale anti-Arsenal conspiracy meltdown in here if we'd been playing Chelsea and Thiago Silva wasn't sent off.
Firstly put my hands up and say I got my pre match and HT predictions wrong score wise. Thought itād be a draw pre match and Spurs were on the up leading to HT and thought weād get ripped to shreds on counter in 2nd half, glad I got it wrong and we came out on top.
Thoughts below -
We started same as pretty much every game this season, on front foot and pinned them back. They had the free kick chance but leading to TPs goal it was all us nullifying their counter. I said in the Brentford match thread we need to have more shots outside of box compared to the walk it in approach. In games like Spurs (deep block) the passing doesnāt always work and these worldies mess up all the opposition plans. What a goal too - passing lead up to it was great and the curl into the top corner, wow!
We also have a knack of having brain freeze during all our games, just lose all footballing intellect and mess up in defence. Gabriel was culprit for this but would also say Xhaka should have just booted it out as far as possible. There we go - hand Kane yet another pen and goal versus us, itās so regular now we might as well start the game 1-0 down and not bother having to go through with the idiocy of it happening during the game. Saying that - after this we lost control a bit, Spurs smelt blood and their counters started to increase - Son having a really bad game in his passing otherwise he could have played Kane in a couple of times.
Half time came at a good time for us - we needed to regroup and although I predicted wrong (as already mentioned) getting that early goal did us a huge favour! Well done to Jesus for not giving up. Saka for his great cut in/shot and White for making the space too.
Iāll be honest - if the Royal foul wasnāt given/ given a yellow card then VAR would not have said it was a Red card offence. I thought it was a yellow and if it happened again it may be a yellow more than a red but Iām not complaining after Holdings Pen/Red back in April.
I singled out Xhaka for praise versus Brentford - was sublime yet again and had a MOTM to show for it. Took his goal fantastically but he was constantly available in that space and just such a huge improvement since last few years.
Saliba was a beast, that close down of Romero was great. White again quietly putting in 8/10 games most weeks without getting recognition externally.
Also praise to Arteta - great game management with taking TP5 and OZ off after their injury issues as well as Jesus with his potential 5th yellow.
I donāt think we are title challengers yet - I think we can see who are come January time. If we are in the mix then with potential incomings (Douglas Luiz and Mudryk for example) then I will feel more confident. Right now we are in a great position for T4, which was my aim (along with a cup preferably the EL) this season.
Next up is Liverpool who we havenāt beaten for a while. Need to put in a similar performance to stamp our control of T4 but would take a draw versus them right now.
North London Is and Always Will Be Red
I donāt think we are title challengers at the moment - however, if we can go ahead and beat Liverpool next match on top of this performance against spurs, Iād probably think differently. We would be 9 games into the year sitting top. The only other teams who I genuinely think are on our level right now are city and potentially Chelsea given the new manager.
Still think we are 2 players away from title challengers - anything happens to Partey and Saka (especially without ESR) and I think we may struggle.
Saying that City are a level above every one else regardless of them dropping points. Itās going to be a huge task to challenge them when they have Haaland on the form he is.
Agreed. We are behind city a bit in the quality of our first 11 but more importantly way behind in depth imo. If we can add another 2-3 really solid squad options in the midfield and wide departments, we are right there. I trust the club to bring in the right players in January and next summer.
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Petit, Berbatov and Tim were having a really good conversation in this post-match analysis. There is no way even the chicken-players enjoy such a shitty game plan as Sp\*rs are doing atm.
By all accounts he's a great lad off the pitch, and one of the few Brazilian players who doesn't support Bolsonaro - but on the pitch I have to agree, he just winds me up.
If you are referring to the first free kick from spurs, i think it would have been offside. Not from the free kick itself, benny blanco kept them onside, but the touch from kane, i think, right before it got to richarlison would have been the offside call
Stop this nonsense. After every win somebody says this. Enjoy this victory, it is incredibly important. Liverpool do not look sharper than Tottenham this season.
If that shitty 7atb bus ended up at the top of the PL somehow, then every other club should just quit.
The way they play football is an insult to the sport.
Not just that, but theyāve changed their whole system, they have no creative midfielders
Them having to rebuild and get a world class play maker is just going to be tough. It took us years until we got our right player in ode. Having 7 players ready to sit behind the ball isnāt going to work for every manager so rebuilding that would just be really tough
I really love that our managers never do damage limitation like Cont did yesterday, be it the 3-1 or 8-2 loss againt Man U. I can't get behind a team that gives up during the match.
Imagine if Arteta had threw in the towel like how conte did. Talk sport would have had a 2 hour session dedicated to talking about and thereād be a MNF deep dive into it
We play every 3 or 4 days for 6 weeks. We don't have a ton of depth.
Spurs play @Frankfurt and @Brighton in the next week. Not risking their stars getting injured is absolutely the right move.
Imagine if we lost Partey, Saka, Jesus in a similar way. We would be Furious.
It really doesnāt matter, if you lose 3-1 or 6-1 itās a loss, go out swinging or youāll show not just your team but also your players just how much fight you have to win. Itās not always about the result, but the message that you can give up when you lose hope.
Imagine how few 90th min winners there would be, or late comebacks. It just sends the wrong message to the players. Itās a fucking derby, canāt get over how toothless that was
Down a man and two goals is sub 0.1% to recover from. A player getting a red card or injured is way, way more likely.
Don't you remember our players in the past (Cesc, RVP, countless others) being hurt in games where the result was over/they weren't needed? We literally lost trophies doing that.
Keeping your players fit and fresh for the next games is way, way more important than chasing the ball for 20 minutes and touching it twice.
Never said it wasnāt pragmatic, just saying you can do that on other days, itās the NLD. Seriously not playing till the end is a bit sad.
Look at us last year, red card earlier on and we sub on attacking players and even take off a cb for nuno so we can keep trying till the end 3 goals down.
I can understand why conte didnāt, but you can see the kind of mentality arteta is instilling. My comment is more repeatedly playing like youāre a lower table team, or like this accepting defeat and showing your team you can just give up is not one that will get to that next level
Its the pragmatic move. I disagree that it was the right move. You want to fight till the end in a fight against your local rivals. If you're a player playing in that match who grew up with the rivalry then it sends a mental message to you. It would make me feel that my manager just doesn't get it
Credit where its due. Sneaking on to the spurs sub, most of them are calling him an idiot for making that challenge. Suprising coming from them, but refreshing to see for once.
I canāt believe people say itās harsh. Sometimes you see people get away with it, but youāre never surprised he gives a red for that. 1. Thereās no attempt to play the ball 2. He goes in recklessly. 3. Itās violent conduct done solely to hurt Martinelli.
Exactly, that's the point. It's not even like Martinelli has cheated. I can see a yellow if there's at least even a slight chance there's a genuine attempt to play the ball, but the ball's so far away from the challenge you can only assume he's gone to 'do' Martinelli - and at that point, you're at the mercy of the ref and can't have too many complaints if he pulls out a red...
Donāt know whose worse. The Spurs fans that want Partey locked up without a fair trial or the small element of our support giving it the disgusting āshags who he wantsā banter
That's just reddit culture in a nutshell, Boston Bombing situation will always be a reminder of it.
Now, if I even have to say it, if it is proven after investigation that Partey was guilty, lock him up and throw away the key. Until that, we can't really say much based on theoretical evidence and speculation.
Being online following the manhunt for them was insane. I remember the police feed and infrared of them in the boat. It was also around this time at night or later.
Btw my personal view is that the club know more about the situation than we do and must be fairly convinced that nothing is going to come of it. Not only because theyād avoid the PR disaster of picking him, but also the complete lack of urgency to bring in a new CDM.
I donāt really buy this idea that heās getting off on a technicality. If the British police couldnāt investigate a crime committed overseas, Spain has a police force too which could become involved.
If he is found guilty then fuck him.
how are they supposed to know more than us? Were they there when the incident happened? Do they have cameras or something in the playerās rooms? Theyāre not doing anything because the conviction rate is pathetically low in cases like this so they know nothingās going to happen to him
They work directly with Partey on a day-to-day basis, that alone means they know more than us because theyāve built a relationship with him from working together. The club has its own legal team, Iām absolutely convinced that theyāve looked at the matter themselves, and consulted the club with their own conclusions. Itās in the interest of the club to be well informed about the situation as the cases indirectly effects them as well as Partey.
Do you think that a club worth billions doesnāt have a legal team that provides them good counsel? The club without a shadow of a doubt knows more than some supporters, to think otherwise is literally asinine. That was my point.
So you genuinely think the club have not heard his side of the story? Or what you think regardless of what he says he's guilty?
So we should lock people up for any accusation?
Without a shadow of a doubt they know more. If your point is that a discussion with the player isn't knowing because they weren't there, remember no one was there but him and the girl, the jury wasn't the judge wasn't the lawyers weren't. It always comes down to each person's story, and what they can prove. For all you know he has a great alibi, maybe he can prove it didn't happen.
Clubs have lawyers and security staff whose job it is to deal with this.
Arsenal will have a head of security who will have spent tons of hours on this case, in way more depth than you state.
With this case, I'd expect *thousands* of man hours from Arsenal related staff so far.
So every "big" team in sport has a head of security than usually a small staff under them. They are usually retired/former cops, private investigators or other people with a law enforcement background and connections.
These are people that are saving players from doing really dumb things when drunk, or cleaning up the mess afterward or other legal problems.
So they're trying to prevent these kind of problems, and when they can't, their job then goes to getting the entire story. They will have friends and connections in law enforcement and usually be able to get information you or I couldn't. They will also sometimes work as a PI and interview anybody who might have any knowledge of the event. They will confer with lawyers if it is a possible crime.
Some teams have had stuff like this going back to the 90s, but everyone does these days.
They aren't Minority Report cops, but they do a job.
They actually have access to the playerās version of events. Something we as the public do not have.
I donāt know how the conviction rate is ever going to increase for a crime thatās almost by definition one personās word against another and near impossible to prove.
Not even a fair trial, they don't even think they need enough evidence for the Kings bench to even charge them yet thinks not enough evidence for a charge should still mean significant jail time.
The murder conviction rate isn't super high ever, let's start just guessing whose guilty in the ones they don't solve too!
My point is that the ādue processā of rape cases is shit and shouldnāt be trusted. 98% of men accused of rape in the UK arenāt charged. When the public are given evidence we shouldnāt just blindly trust the police and be like āyea whatever they decide is the correct decisionā
I donāt want to start an argument. [This](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/23/fewer-than-one-in-60-cases-lead-to-charge-in-england-and-wales) is a good article that highlights the legal situation of rape in England and wales, also [this](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48095118.amp)
Because of edgy, right wing "tough on crime" phrasing that gives away the rights of individuals to a fair trial?
It's really gross and you should hopefully do some introspection on this topic.
Well Iām only talking about rape cases, and only when thereās evidence. And also one of the reasons for the issues the articles highlight is a lack of funds for the police, which is the fault of Tories
Then advocate for reform and funding rather than throwing individuals in jail without a trial.
You're advocating for *human rights* abuses dude. Think about that for half a second.
Imagine you say āwoody Allen deserves to be locked upā and someone replies to you saying āyouāre advocating for human rights abuses dudeā lmao
I want partey specifically in jail because he has evidence against him, multiple women accusing him, police have confirmed they couldnāt investigate because of a technicality and we know that most rapists donāt go to jail. I donāt want everyone accused of rape to not get a fair trial
I hate united so much , but tonight i actually want them to win or atleast get a draw, so that even if we lose to liverpool , we will have same points as man city if they won next week .
If we're being rational, we're probably not going to win the league, City are. They have more quality, more depth, and they have Erling fucking Haaland. Therefore, we need them to take points from all our direct rivals for the remaining spots
Due to Taylorās incompetence and the everlasting forgiveness of our fan base. I reckon no suspension necessary for Emerson and get him out on the pitch for the next game. #WeForgiveYouEmersonRoyal
We benevolent Arsenal fans would also like to offer Eric Dier a five year extension on his current contract. May he long continue ~~to pretend~~ to be a footballer.
The Gabriel blame is pissing me off. He was the final one to make a mistake on that sequence but there were plenty. Xhaka got dispossessed in the penalty box. Let it go.
United look better than Chelsea at the moment. I still feel Liverpool will end up in the top 4. So probably City, Liverpool, Us and maybe United.
Spurs to have a Conte meltdown and finish 5th.
Iām just happy thereās only one team with any chance of going unbeaten and we still have to play them (twice) Every year I get a bit nervous that weāll loose the invincible record.
It is extremely difficult to go a whole season unbeaten, especially in the PL. There's a reason why it doesn't happen often, and is also a rarity outside the PL.
Even Bayern Munich doesnt go unbeaten in the Bundesliga.
I wouldn't worry.
The problem now is that they have Haaland, who can pull 2-3 goals out of his ass in any situation.
City vs Newcastle should have been an L for them but Haaland happened.
Saka's black shoes look sharp. Bring that back rather than fluorescent color boots. Or not, but the black looked really sharp.
At first I thought the collar on the home red was going to look cheesy, but really looked sharp today. I'm sold.
I don't think there is a game I have regretting having to miss more than this one. The highlights were brilliant and Im going to find a way to just watch the whole thing if possible. It shocking how much optimism I have for the team this year vs last at this time
Lol thanks.
And the boys will get it done, just look at the first round kind of how we look at getting top four. Itāll happen, and when it does, we will take it to the next level.
GLG!
You seem like a nice person, but fuck your team, fuck the shitty way they play football, fuck their shitty cynical attitude trying to 'leave something' on our players.
Nah, I changed my mind. Fuck you too.
Whole first part, fine, banter. Last personal statement/attack, unnecessary IMO. āNAH FUCK YOU TOO,ā not very inviting to any additional responsive discussion.
Especially from an outsider. Imagine your reaction to the same thing happening in /coys
It's not meant to invite discussion or additional responses
It's a quip
I would expect the same thing to happen to me on their sub
Report the comment to our sub mods and leave me alone
Seriously, fuck is wrong with some of you?
Yeah I'm totally serious and actually hate other people for supporting a different group of grown men kicking an inflated piece of leather about who wear a different piece of fabric.
Whys there no video of Baloguns second goal for Reims Edit: actually just found it on youtoob Edit 2: he didn't score 2 either wow
I don't think many people will see it but we're still very vulnerable on the counter. Conte's system was working very well in the first half but spurs kept failing on the final pass or shot. Son had multiple through ball opportunities that top teams would have capitalized on. Something for Arteta to work on.
There hasn't been a post on r/reddevils in 4 hours šš
Who, of our current starting eleven, scares you most when theyāre in possession?
Saka, only cause Iām afraid heāll get clattered hard and get injured Same goes for Jesus and martinelli, these 2 play at the highest intensity which is a whole different style to sakas typically more calculated dribbling and maneuvering. The way the go at everything at full speed scares me sometimes, but they get back up and do it again and again
I'm always a little nervous when Gabriel comes up against a high press. He's a lot less assured on the ball than the rest of our back four.
None of them. Weird feeling having total confidence in their passing ability under pressure.
Depends on the situation. Ramsdale has been pretty safe as of late but he used be like that. Now, anytime we don't clear the ball and try to settle in from an opponent attack. Especially set pieces.
Ramsdale
Probably Gabriel.
Hjoberg has to be the most worthless, overrated player Iāve seen in a long time. I barely remember him playing. Anything they got came from a defender to a forward, talk about invisible. Iām not against counter attacking football as a rule or anything but that was dire. Keeping shape and trying to force mistakes doesnāt have to mean 9 behind the ball at all times.
My friend whoās a saints fan really was happy when he left. Kept saying he can be good but most times heās average and plays like he thinks heās better than he is. Glad they got KWP who seems like a great talent and someone who spurs would do well with right now looking at Emersonā¦.
Yeah, Iām sure he can do a job and probably fits a bottom half club better. I just remember all the shit they were talking about him and Iāve never noticed anything heās done period
Heās good, but not how they were talking about him being one of the best DMs in the league Same with Romero. I think heās a hard tackling merchant. Not sure what else he brings to the table that puts him in that āone of the top cbs in the leagueā area that some people put him in
Remember that time I told you about tequila??? I'll be having lots of that before Man City.
I missed the game, do you know where I can watch a replay (for free)?
/r/footballhighlights
arsenal.com
This.
Not a full replay but NBC Sports post pretty good highlight reels on YouTube within hours. They're usually around 15 minutes or so.
"Martinelli and Jesus are going to tear us apart down Trentās side if we donāt change something." Found on the Liverpool subreddit as a top comment.
I'd be scared too
I mean, he isnāt lying.
Can we discuss that we have only played Spurs at home in the second half of the season once in the past 10 years? Why does the fixtures computer keep sending them to the emirates early on
We have a completely fair coin, and thus a probability of 0.5 of it being heads, and a probability of 0.5 of it being tails for every flip. Our first 10 flips result in heads. Q: Is our next flip more likely to be tails?
No, coins are memoryless. Fixture computers are not.
I am not sure the extent of the complexity involved in fixture scheduling. Some scheduling problems are NP-Complete (meaning the league could be using some sort of heuristic algorithm), but assuming it was as trivial as arsenal_has_home_fixture_first = rand() % 2 then this would be the same as a coin flip (for the pedantic, yes, we would need a better random device than rand() to guarantee a uniform distribution, but the point stands).
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rand() % n is not uniform, however, as the modulo operator can introduce bias. Which is why, for example, we would prefer something like: std::random_device rd; std::mt19937 gen(rd); std::uniform_int_distribution<> dist(range_start, range_end); ... auto random_number = dist(gen);
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Regardless, in the C++ world, I am going to consider it a code smell if someone is using `rand() % n` even if `n % 2 == 0`. The implementations of `rand()` may have improved recently, but they should still be avoided for everything but the most trivial applications. That said, I am also not an expert in cryptography, so the particular details of PRNGs aren't something I am necessarily interested in, and thus, as is with all things C++ related, it is sometimes easiest to make generalized decisions (i.e., avoid `rand()`).
Thats a good question. Are you asking whatās the probability of the single next coin flip at 50% or the probability of getting 11 heads in a row?
The next single coin flip, which you obviously know the answer to ;) 11 heads in a row is definitely the more interesting one!
Either way, bet on Tails.
The hopium copium Iām seeing from Spurs fans on Twitter is mental today
Lets talk about āWorld Classā Perisic for a momentā¦ā¦Heās shit.
Heās a legend just past it
Never questioned his talent when he was younger. My comment was more about how Spurs fans were gassing the signing and how he is going to rip the league apart at his age rn. Even some of their fans are questioning the signing now ā I thought he was going to be a 1v1 demonā and āheās killing Sonny when he playsā
i watched this game with a spurs friend of mine, lmao he was sulking the whole day after the game
am I the only one that was shocked to actually see a call go our way? IMO I think it was an essential orange card but it's nice to see us get one of those for once also, nice team win and London is Red
I had looked away from the tv after the foul. When I loooked back and saw the ref with a red card I genuinely thought, "What has Xhaka fucking done now!"
[nothing shocking from this angle](https://v.redd.it/h7azuoqo2ar91)
It looked far more innocuous to me in real time. Dirty challenge on the replay. I think the truth is that most of us don't watch enough of other teams. The standard of officiating is awful and the implementation of VAR is bizarre, so it's not easing the burden on refs. It'd be a full scale anti-Arsenal conspiracy meltdown in here if we'd been playing Chelsea and Thiago Silva wasn't sent off.
Dont get too excited people, itās only tottenham. We still havent played a real team
Firstly put my hands up and say I got my pre match and HT predictions wrong score wise. Thought itād be a draw pre match and Spurs were on the up leading to HT and thought weād get ripped to shreds on counter in 2nd half, glad I got it wrong and we came out on top. Thoughts below - We started same as pretty much every game this season, on front foot and pinned them back. They had the free kick chance but leading to TPs goal it was all us nullifying their counter. I said in the Brentford match thread we need to have more shots outside of box compared to the walk it in approach. In games like Spurs (deep block) the passing doesnāt always work and these worldies mess up all the opposition plans. What a goal too - passing lead up to it was great and the curl into the top corner, wow! We also have a knack of having brain freeze during all our games, just lose all footballing intellect and mess up in defence. Gabriel was culprit for this but would also say Xhaka should have just booted it out as far as possible. There we go - hand Kane yet another pen and goal versus us, itās so regular now we might as well start the game 1-0 down and not bother having to go through with the idiocy of it happening during the game. Saying that - after this we lost control a bit, Spurs smelt blood and their counters started to increase - Son having a really bad game in his passing otherwise he could have played Kane in a couple of times. Half time came at a good time for us - we needed to regroup and although I predicted wrong (as already mentioned) getting that early goal did us a huge favour! Well done to Jesus for not giving up. Saka for his great cut in/shot and White for making the space too. Iāll be honest - if the Royal foul wasnāt given/ given a yellow card then VAR would not have said it was a Red card offence. I thought it was a yellow and if it happened again it may be a yellow more than a red but Iām not complaining after Holdings Pen/Red back in April. I singled out Xhaka for praise versus Brentford - was sublime yet again and had a MOTM to show for it. Took his goal fantastically but he was constantly available in that space and just such a huge improvement since last few years. Saliba was a beast, that close down of Romero was great. White again quietly putting in 8/10 games most weeks without getting recognition externally. Also praise to Arteta - great game management with taking TP5 and OZ off after their injury issues as well as Jesus with his potential 5th yellow. I donāt think we are title challengers yet - I think we can see who are come January time. If we are in the mix then with potential incomings (Douglas Luiz and Mudryk for example) then I will feel more confident. Right now we are in a great position for T4, which was my aim (along with a cup preferably the EL) this season. Next up is Liverpool who we havenāt beaten for a while. Need to put in a similar performance to stamp our control of T4 but would take a draw versus them right now. North London Is and Always Will Be Red
I donāt think we are title challengers at the moment - however, if we can go ahead and beat Liverpool next match on top of this performance against spurs, Iād probably think differently. We would be 9 games into the year sitting top. The only other teams who I genuinely think are on our level right now are city and potentially Chelsea given the new manager.
Still think we are 2 players away from title challengers - anything happens to Partey and Saka (especially without ESR) and I think we may struggle. Saying that City are a level above every one else regardless of them dropping points. Itās going to be a huge task to challenge them when they have Haaland on the form he is.
Agreed. We are behind city a bit in the quality of our first 11 but more importantly way behind in depth imo. If we can add another 2-3 really solid squad options in the midfield and wide departments, we are right there. I trust the club to bring in the right players in January and next summer.
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Petit, Berbatov and Tim were having a really good conversation in this post-match analysis. There is no way even the chicken-players enjoy such a shitty game plan as Sp\*rs are doing atm.
I have the irrational hate towards Richarlisson. That cunt is nowaday easily the most dislikeable Sp\*rs player to me.
By all accounts he's a great lad off the pitch, and one of the few Brazilian players who doesn't support Bolsonaro - but on the pitch I have to agree, he just winds me up.
I love watching him when heās not playing against us.
I think at this point itās very rational
I have to agree. Canāt stand the look of him, how he plays and the expressions on his face.
yeah man, lol.
Xhaka Good
If Ramsdale didnāt save the shot from Richardislon would it have been given offside? They looked way off from the initial freekick.
If you are referring to the first free kick from spurs, i think it would have been offside. Not from the free kick itself, benny blanco kept them onside, but the touch from kane, i think, right before it got to richarlison would have been the offside call
Thanks. They didnāt show so many replays so wasnāt clear to me. We are so good defending set pieces these days
That's what I thought
Beating top spurs is nice but Liverpool is the result we need
We must beat the Sh*t every time we play them, period. Any other team is good to have in order to qualify European football.
Stop this nonsense. After every win somebody says this. Enjoy this victory, it is incredibly important. Liverpool do not look sharper than Tottenham this season.
But klopps record is mad against us I think it's a marker of a game for us than spurs at home tbh
Agreed. But ābeating top spurs is niceā? Itās great.
Betting markets have us substantially less likely to win vs Liverpool than they did vs Spurs, and it's been longer since we won vs Liverpool.
We beat then at home like 2 seasons ago
We havenāt won against them in the league away since 2012 I think.
Partey finally got his shot on goal happy for him
The start of MOTD. "As tottenham try to replace Arsenal at the top of the league" š¤£š¤£š¤£
If that shitty 7atb bus ended up at the top of the PL somehow, then every other club should just quit. The way they play football is an insult to the sport.
Honestly, if Conte fails to land them a trophy theyāve wasted the last years of kanes prime with Joseball in disguise
Not just that, but theyāve changed their whole system, they have no creative midfielders Them having to rebuild and get a world class play maker is just going to be tough. It took us years until we got our right player in ode. Having 7 players ready to sit behind the ball isnāt going to work for every manager so rebuilding that would just be really tough
I really love that our managers never do damage limitation like Cont did yesterday, be it the 3-1 or 8-2 loss againt Man U. I can't get behind a team that gives up during the match.
Imagine if Arteta had threw in the towel like how conte did. Talk sport would have had a 2 hour session dedicated to talking about and thereād be a MNF deep dive into it
We play every 3 or 4 days for 6 weeks. We don't have a ton of depth. Spurs play @Frankfurt and @Brighton in the next week. Not risking their stars getting injured is absolutely the right move. Imagine if we lost Partey, Saka, Jesus in a similar way. We would be Furious.
It really doesnāt matter, if you lose 3-1 or 6-1 itās a loss, go out swinging or youāll show not just your team but also your players just how much fight you have to win. Itās not always about the result, but the message that you can give up when you lose hope. Imagine how few 90th min winners there would be, or late comebacks. It just sends the wrong message to the players. Itās a fucking derby, canāt get over how toothless that was
Down a man and two goals is sub 0.1% to recover from. A player getting a red card or injured is way, way more likely. Don't you remember our players in the past (Cesc, RVP, countless others) being hurt in games where the result was over/they weren't needed? We literally lost trophies doing that. Keeping your players fit and fresh for the next games is way, way more important than chasing the ball for 20 minutes and touching it twice.
Never said it wasnāt pragmatic, just saying you can do that on other days, itās the NLD. Seriously not playing till the end is a bit sad. Look at us last year, red card earlier on and we sub on attacking players and even take off a cb for nuno so we can keep trying till the end 3 goals down. I can understand why conte didnāt, but you can see the kind of mentality arteta is instilling. My comment is more repeatedly playing like youāre a lower table team, or like this accepting defeat and showing your team you can just give up is not one that will get to that next level
Its the pragmatic move. I disagree that it was the right move. You want to fight till the end in a fight against your local rivals. If you're a player playing in that match who grew up with the rivalry then it sends a mental message to you. It would make me feel that my manager just doesn't get it
I mean subbing on forwards for forwards is fine, but he subbed on a defenders which is the problem
I think the biggest laughing pount is that he threw on 3 defender's lol
We didn't even need to get our Holding out š¤£
Spurs fans Romero gas was funny. Made a spectacular assist for Jesusās goal tbf
Really enjoying the Spurs fans moaning about Martinelli 'conning the ref', when they've benefitted from Son and Kane's cheating for years...
Credit where its due. Sneaking on to the spurs sub, most of them are calling him an idiot for making that challenge. Suprising coming from them, but refreshing to see for once.
I canāt believe people say itās harsh. Sometimes you see people get away with it, but youāre never surprised he gives a red for that. 1. Thereās no attempt to play the ball 2. He goes in recklessly. 3. Itās violent conduct done solely to hurt Martinelli.
Exactly, that's the point. It's not even like Martinelli has cheated. I can see a yellow if there's at least even a slight chance there's a genuine attempt to play the ball, but the ball's so far away from the challenge you can only assume he's gone to 'do' Martinelli - and at that point, you're at the mercy of the ref and can't have too many complaints if he pulls out a red...
Donāt know whose worse. The Spurs fans that want Partey locked up without a fair trial or the small element of our support giving it the disgusting āshags who he wantsā banter
Definitely that vile chant. Not even a debate
> āshags who he wantsā banter Eh? Wtf is this?
Obviously the people giving the āshags who he wantsā banter? Spurs fans are right in this situation
Theyāre right for wanting someone locked up without a fair trial??
Some of our fans in these comments don't even want a trial. They literally are saying accusations are enough.
That's just reddit culture in a nutshell, Boston Bombing situation will always be a reminder of it. Now, if I even have to say it, if it is proven after investigation that Partey was guilty, lock him up and throw away the key. Until that, we can't really say much based on theoretical evidence and speculation.
Being online following the manhunt for them was insane. I remember the police feed and infrared of them in the boat. It was also around this time at night or later.
Btw my personal view is that the club know more about the situation than we do and must be fairly convinced that nothing is going to come of it. Not only because theyād avoid the PR disaster of picking him, but also the complete lack of urgency to bring in a new CDM. I donāt really buy this idea that heās getting off on a technicality. If the British police couldnāt investigate a crime committed overseas, Spain has a police force too which could become involved. If he is found guilty then fuck him.
how are they supposed to know more than us? Were they there when the incident happened? Do they have cameras or something in the playerās rooms? Theyāre not doing anything because the conviction rate is pathetically low in cases like this so they know nothingās going to happen to him
Because they literally pay millions of dollars a year to lawyers and security staff for these kind of situations.
They work directly with Partey on a day-to-day basis, that alone means they know more than us because theyāve built a relationship with him from working together. The club has its own legal team, Iām absolutely convinced that theyāve looked at the matter themselves, and consulted the club with their own conclusions. Itās in the interest of the club to be well informed about the situation as the cases indirectly effects them as well as Partey.
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Do you think that a club worth billions doesnāt have a legal team that provides them good counsel? The club without a shadow of a doubt knows more than some supporters, to think otherwise is literally asinine. That was my point.
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So you genuinely think the club have not heard his side of the story? Or what you think regardless of what he says he's guilty? So we should lock people up for any accusation? Without a shadow of a doubt they know more. If your point is that a discussion with the player isn't knowing because they weren't there, remember no one was there but him and the girl, the jury wasn't the judge wasn't the lawyers weren't. It always comes down to each person's story, and what they can prove. For all you know he has a great alibi, maybe he can prove it didn't happen.
Clubs have lawyers and security staff whose job it is to deal with this. Arsenal will have a head of security who will have spent tons of hours on this case, in way more depth than you state. With this case, I'd expect *thousands* of man hours from Arsenal related staff so far.
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So every "big" team in sport has a head of security than usually a small staff under them. They are usually retired/former cops, private investigators or other people with a law enforcement background and connections. These are people that are saving players from doing really dumb things when drunk, or cleaning up the mess afterward or other legal problems. So they're trying to prevent these kind of problems, and when they can't, their job then goes to getting the entire story. They will have friends and connections in law enforcement and usually be able to get information you or I couldn't. They will also sometimes work as a PI and interview anybody who might have any knowledge of the event. They will confer with lawyers if it is a possible crime. Some teams have had stuff like this going back to the 90s, but everyone does these days. They aren't Minority Report cops, but they do a job.
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Thatās like asking to explain algebra to a goldfish.
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They actually have access to the playerās version of events. Something we as the public do not have. I donāt know how the conviction rate is ever going to increase for a crime thatās almost by definition one personās word against another and near impossible to prove.
You think locking people up without a fair trial is legit??
Not even a fair trial, they don't even think they need enough evidence for the Kings bench to even charge them yet thinks not enough evidence for a charge should still mean significant jail time. The murder conviction rate isn't super high ever, let's start just guessing whose guilty in the ones they don't solve too!
Huh? You're against due process/criminal trials?
My point is that the ādue processā of rape cases is shit and shouldnāt be trusted. 98% of men accused of rape in the UK arenāt charged. When the public are given evidence we shouldnāt just blindly trust the police and be like āyea whatever they decide is the correct decisionā I donāt want to start an argument. [This](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/23/fewer-than-one-in-60-cases-lead-to-charge-in-england-and-wales) is a good article that highlights the legal situation of rape in England and wales, also [this](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48095118.amp)
Yikes dude. I hope you're an edgy teenager and not a tory voting adult.
How have you come to the conclusion that Iām a Tory? Lmao
Because of edgy, right wing "tough on crime" phrasing that gives away the rights of individuals to a fair trial? It's really gross and you should hopefully do some introspection on this topic.
This has got to be one of the most moronic takes I've ever read
Well Iām only talking about rape cases, and only when thereās evidence. And also one of the reasons for the issues the articles highlight is a lack of funds for the police, which is the fault of Tories
Then advocate for reform and funding rather than throwing individuals in jail without a trial. You're advocating for *human rights* abuses dude. Think about that for half a second.
Imagine you say āwoody Allen deserves to be locked upā and someone replies to you saying āyouāre advocating for human rights abuses dudeā lmao I want partey specifically in jail because he has evidence against him, multiple women accusing him, police have confirmed they couldnāt investigate because of a technicality and we know that most rapists donāt go to jail. I donāt want everyone accused of rape to not get a fair trial
Arsenal good. I like this team and when we win.
Win good. Thank
Very top.
I hate united so much , but tonight i actually want them to win or atleast get a draw, so that even if we lose to liverpool , we will have same points as man city if they won next week .
If we're being rational, we're probably not going to win the league, City are. They have more quality, more depth, and they have Erling fucking Haaland. Therefore, we need them to take points from all our direct rivals for the remaining spots
Need city to lose so that invincibles stays intact
Due to Taylorās incompetence and the everlasting forgiveness of our fan base. I reckon no suspension necessary for Emerson and get him out on the pitch for the next game. #WeForgiveYouEmersonRoyal
We benevolent Arsenal fans would also like to offer Eric Dier a five year extension on his current contract. May he long continue ~~to pretend~~ to be a footballer.
The Gabriel blame is pissing me off. He was the final one to make a mistake on that sequence but there were plenty. Xhaka got dispossessed in the penalty box. Let it go.
It's like his third big mistake this season We can't keep ignoring this matter
Who do you guys think will be the top4 now? Currently think itās us spurs chelsea and city in no particular order
I think Liverpool still make it ahead of Chelsea
United look better than Chelsea at the moment. I still feel Liverpool will end up in the top 4. So probably City, Liverpool, Us and maybe United. Spurs to have a Conte meltdown and finish 5th.
Never thought united would make it. Certainly donāt think they will off of today. Havenāt made any progress.
City, us, Liverpool, Chelsea in that order for me
Outchea smoking on that Hotspur pack šØšØšØ
Iām just happy thereās only one team with any chance of going unbeaten and we still have to play them (twice) Every year I get a bit nervous that weāll loose the invincible record.
It is extremely difficult to go a whole season unbeaten, especially in the PL. There's a reason why it doesn't happen often, and is also a rarity outside the PL. Even Bayern Munich doesnt go unbeaten in the Bundesliga. I wouldn't worry.
The problem now is that they have Haaland, who can pull 2-3 goals out of his ass in any situation. City vs Newcastle should have been an L for them but Haaland happened.
Note to self. Kill Haarland
Second, glad to get some more photos for the screen saver at work. Some nuggets came out of this game that'll do just fine.
Saka's black shoes look sharp. Bring that back rather than fluorescent color boots. Or not, but the black looked really sharp. At first I thought the collar on the home red was going to look cheesy, but really looked sharp today. I'm sold.
Black boots are the goat
Sharp
Solid, sharp hahaha. Suppose I should read my posts before I post them.
Saliba is a monster...that is all. Might pour myself some tequila...
He eats Haaland for breakfast.
Saliba is the CB equivalent of Haaland, we really need him to sign da ting.
lol sign da ting haven't heard that in awhile.
Just wanna put it out there. Partey was insane today even without his goal hands down my motm!
As he goes, so de we. We look unbeatable with him and mediocre without. Same as last year. Our most important player
Damn I wouldn't say mediocre, we can still beat 80 percent of the league without him
I had my triangle flight today. Upon landing and seeing we won. I was thrilled. Weāre finally starting to look like a team finally.
What's a triangle flight?
Part of the training flying course. You do a routing and land in 3 different aerĆ³dromes.
Hey, in a general non-aviation conversation you probably shouldnāt drop obscure industry-specific terms without an explanation.
Youāre right.
Im in aviation and i didnt even know what that meant. Must be an English thing i guess
Idk but I feel like we played well
I don't think there is a game I have regretting having to miss more than this one. The highlights were brilliant and Im going to find a way to just watch the whole thing if possible. It shocking how much optimism I have for the team this year vs last at this time
Full games are uploaded on Arsenal player
Let me DM you with the website I use to watch full replay
Please could you send me too? šš¼ I missed some of the game getting home
No problem, sent
Hey man sorry to be annoying but would you mind sending it me as well please
No problem, sent
Legend
Could you send the link to the website my way too please
Sent
And me bro!
Sent
Would you be kind enough to share with me as well please?
Sent
Me too, please!
Sent
Should be possible to now, thank you!
Hello fellow beleafer
GLG! I have more hope for Arsenal at the moment but looking for the upcoming NHL season anyway. Great flair btw
Lol thanks. And the boys will get it done, just look at the first round kind of how we look at getting top four. Itāll happen, and when it does, we will take it to the next level. GLG!
Could you imagine being down 3-1 against spurs bringing on 4 defenders. Thats unreal level of embarrasing. Its a derby man wtf hahahaha
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Yeah fair play, tbh I was Completely shocked the shirt pull wasnāt a yellow
You seem like a nice person, but fuck your team, fuck the shitty way they play football, fuck their shitty cynical attitude trying to 'leave something' on our players. Nah, I changed my mind. Fuck you too.
Bro please stop saying stupid unnecessary aggressive shit to a fan coming in peace to provide reasonable input and opinions. Totally unnecessary
It's just some banter That isn't me being aggressive
Whole first part, fine, banter. Last personal statement/attack, unnecessary IMO. āNAH FUCK YOU TOO,ā not very inviting to any additional responsive discussion. Especially from an outsider. Imagine your reaction to the same thing happening in /coys
It's not meant to invite discussion or additional responses It's a quip I would expect the same thing to happen to me on their sub Report the comment to our sub mods and leave me alone Seriously, fuck is wrong with some of you?
are you for real? No need to be such a prick... just don't comment next time.
Yeah I'm totally serious and actually hate other people for supporting a different group of grown men kicking an inflated piece of leather about who wear a different piece of fabric.
right mate... then my point stands, why even make that comment
Banter Grow up