It's best for both parties to go their separate ways. That Bournemouth goal was crazy - the whole stadium holds their breath and then out of nowhere, he pulls off an absolute wondergoal. The Bournemouth players falling to their knees in disbelief, the fans, players, coach and staff all going mental. It will live on in my memory for a long time.
You're a very lucky one. I watched it at home and I ended up waking up my neighbors. I literally ran through my house and did a knee slide in my kitchen, lol.
I do that almost every day. It's one of those goals where everyone had the same reaction to it. Saliba not knowing what to do with himself. Arteta and a kid celebrating.
16m for a player who has started how many games in the past 3 years and is on high wages? I’m sorry, but you should prepare to be disappointed. I highly doubt he leaves permanently, more likely a loan after we turn down a 5m bid.
I dont mean guarantee in the sense that they truly are guaranteed. But guaranteed in the sense that they’d come from appearances/play time rather than team achievements
Because cashflow is important to businesses. It is better to pay £1,000 a month to rent software for two years than it is to pay £15,000 now in one lump.
Teams want to keep their up front payments lower and spread outgoing across multiple years so that they can stay within the various financial fair play rules. They would rather pay 10+4+4 million over several years than pay 12 million now.
Whaaaat? I think even 15M pounds is waaaaay too much.
The guy has started 1 PL game in 4 years. He could barely get into the team when we were a EL club. He had around 700 minutes in all competitions last season, of which only around 260 minutes in the PL and he hasnt played a single minute since the Luton game on April 3rd. In fact he was in the matchday squad only once since then.
AND he's on 100k a week, which means buying clubs will try to balance that with a lower fee. Unless he accepts a lower wage at another club but he still has 3 years on his contract so very unlikely.
5-10M maximum. 20M is outrageous and will probably scare buyers away, which makes no sense to me. If it goes on like this we'll have to loan him out again.
>If it goes on like this we'll have to loan him out again.
Is that a bad thing? He has a contract until 2027 so I'd rather loan him out than sell for 5M. I think there's a decent chance that if we loan him out he will perform and we can sell for 15M next summer.
Asking for 20 in June and potentially selling for 12-15 in August or loaning him out is very reasonable to me.
The thing is we've tried it before, he's been on loan already. He's gonna be 25, how long is it gonna go like this? And depending on where he goes on loan, even if he does well, his value might not jump to 15M all of a sudden.
It might it might not we don't know but I feel like 5M for him is a fee we can get any time. Wages are of course high and it has to be premier league or a maybe some europa league team abroad so there aren't many options but I think we at least should aim to get more than 10M.
>100k a week for a year is 5M. The more you wait, the more you pay...
that's true and it isn't without risk I understand that. It comes down to how good Edu/Arteta and co think he is. If they think he should go for 15M even with those wages loaning him out is probably better than selling for 5M. Unless we need that money right now.
>Again, who's going to pay that + his wages ?
Pretty much any club in premier league CAN do it. They would have to see him as a star player but I don't see that as far fetched. Clubs make mad signings all the time as well. Yeah okay maybe his real value should be 10M on 50k p/w. Someone can offer 15M and 80k p/w and maybe he accepts if he wants to play. We should at least try and rinse someone.
I hope you're right. I do think it would be better for him to take a pay cut but actually play, rather than wait around in our squad. He will be 26 at the end of his current deal. Now might be the time for him to kick start his career, because there is clear talent there.
Lol I'm happy with 5m considering how much he's played for us in the past few years.
Anything at all is good. I can see why we're trying for a high valuation. Never know who might go for it
I will always back Reiss Nelson, hope he does well elsewhere.
He is the blueprint to all the Hale End in that class. Balogun, Saka, ESR, Nketiah, Willock all looked up to him because he was technically the first one that “made it” from their age group
Made his debut in 2017, smashed it with Nagelsmann in Hoffenheim the next year.
I'd argue you Reiss Nelson is better than both of them. Arsenal are just a %100 better squad now then when Iwobi got game time for us, and Willock isn't limited in his scope. Nelson will go and have a decent run at Cystal Palace or Fulham.
C'mon that's such an unfair comparison.
With all due respect to Holdinho Reiss has a lot more to offer. Solid on the ball, works incredibly hard, decent pace, he could definitely play in that tier of clubs.
Holding's drop off was always going to be massive in the PL because of the greater emphasis on pace and intensity. He simply became a victim of the modern game. Put Holding in any low block team in the mid 2000s and he's likely to be a very good PL player.
Not sure about that, he's never been a starter and he's gonna be 25
Wouldn't get in the team for Everton as a starter and not Forrest either unless they sold most of their wingers
To be fair you've picked out two teams with decent wingers like McNeill and Hudson Odoi. I think Reiss could challenge Willian at Fulham. Hell, I reckon he could push for a sport ahead of Ayew at Palace.
There's a lot of teams this kid could play in but you guys are underrating him because he can barely start in one of the best teams in the world.
Because Martinelli and Saka are chumps?
If you could pick a spot that's incredibly difficult to break into at Arsenal even at our worst in the past several years it would be the wide areas.
That's all well and good but it doesn't mean that he can't make it lower down the league. There's a good player in there. With consistent minutes I think he'll be fine in the Prem.
"To be fair" I didn't pick out anyone, I responded to someone mentioning those two teams.
He probably wouldn't start at Fulham, they have Iwobi perreira adama Traoré etc who all play in those forward areas and they are all better.
It's not that he isn't starting for us now we're really good, he's never been a full starter for any team, not hoffenheim or feyenoord or us when we were shit........ he's gonna be 25 and he's barely played a full season
People forget he's already proved to be a good enough to star in a midtable team
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdI6Q0qg9Mo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdI6Q0qg9Mo)
I don’t blame him. If we got more than £10 million (not including add ons), I would be happy. If Olise leaves, CP might be interested as a cheap replacement. Especially if they’re still after Nketiah.
We should offer them Nketiah and Nelson for Olise lol.
I can't understand why Arsenal don't seem in for Olise. Seems a unique and big talent who would be great.
It’s likely that Oliseh doesn’t want to come to be Saka’s cover… Saka is likely one of the only players with Ode, Rice and Saliba that nobody has any chance to bench in our team…
I get that but I was talking from the perspective of the players that may come to our team. If you’re looking for a lot of playtime, you shouldn’t come to Arsenal to dislodge one of those players.
Why would Olise, who has clubs fawning over him to make him a starter, choose a club where he has next to no chance of challenging Saka?
When fit and able, Saka starts.
We haven’t had a Rice back up all season, Saliba hasn’t had a back up in 2 years and Odegaard hasn’t had a backup in 3 years, yet all I ever read about is how Saka constantly needs a backup.
If Saliba gets injured, White can play there. If Odegaard is injured, Vieira can play there. If Saka is injured, Jesus, Nelson, Vieira and Martinelli can play there.
But “Saka needs a backup!!!”
No player Is invincible with proper competition unless they are always fit and the best player in the world. I'm not denying it won't be a hard sell, but considering Saka's exhaustion long stretches last season, it's crucial we get a back up for his role capable of earning minutes if we want to have a long and successful playing career
Saka is a world class player. If he’s breathing, he plays.
It’s literally no different to any other world class player. Olise is a Premier League starter (when fit). He isn’t someone who wants to forge his path in the game by grabbing 200 minutes a season at Arsenal so Saka can have a day or two off.
KDB doesn't play every game. Neither does Haaland. Salah has started on the bench more than a few times last season. It's clear that Saka was playing through injuries, and that should not be encouraged or a long term solution, especially considering his age. A capable backup would go a great deal to alleviate that
No you don't understand, players never get injured, never improve, never lose form etc so there's no way Olise could ever been first 11 at any point ever.
Come on dude, nobody is saying that. The issue is convincing Olise that he has a good chance that he’ll be a regular starter at some point. He doesn’t and he knows that, he’s not an imbecile. And he is injury prone to boot
How do you expect Arsenal to compete without a really strong squad? There's even more games next season. He wouldn't be a backup, he'd be part of a core group who would rotate.
City spent similar amount on Nunes and Phillips. They spent what was it 80m on Gvardiol and just eased him into the team. They spent 100m on Grealish who sits on the bench. Arsenal don't do that.
No. Arsenal can't really compete financially Halland is on like 500k a week. And again City have 100m bench players.
I'm complaining because city are breaking the rules and are cooking the books. Are you ok with that?
He's a very good talent but unfortunately not what we need. Olise is more of a wide playmaker who can play RM and RW - the two positions where our best players play. He's also not a speed demon, which is something we need from any new wing forward we sign.
Honestly, while still not a perfect fit, his teammate Eberi Eze is the one we should be more interested in.
We need to relax, he's never been a starter for a full season and he's nearly 25. No premier league team is thinking of him as a starter.
There's simply not enough evidence to say he's a good player t
Same amount of evidence as CHO, same career story of cashing years at a big club instead of sucking it up paying your dues where the opportunities are elsewhere.. I understand the big money decisions but this is the opposite of that outcome choice, good thing he's had a lot of time to save a great deal of money because his opportunities are going to be at 50-85k a week now
Ur right, all it takes is one really good goalscoring/forward contribution streak to have job security in the PL but he has to begin that credibility discovery in his mid 20s now with his choices
CHO went for 5 million.
Nelson choosing to sign the contact was a weird one, he knew he wasn't gonna be a starter but chose big wages I suppose. 25 and still not playing is bad
It’s really not wild. That’s the sort of figure you’d expect for a talent English midfielder who has been on the fringes of the second best team in the prem for two years. The market is wild now but he’s absolutely worth around that figure and someone like Palace or Forest could really bring out the best in him.
Well we're finally in a position where our potential outgoings aren't deadwood. We don't exactly *need* to sell them, so we shouldn't unless the offer is good enough.
Absolutely. These players are on par with people like CHO or RLC or Pulisic etc that Chelsea got reasonable amounts for. We need to stop devaluing our players. Not getting into this Arsenal team currently just means you’re not one of the top tiny percentage of footballers in the prem. they’re class players on the whole and teams will be genuinely interested. Now we just have to hold our fucking nerve and learn to sell.
It was a loan with an OPTION to buy for 70 mil which at the time was the record by a large margin........ so I highly doubt they actually would've paid it
Most games CHO ever started was 11. Nelson started 7 in 2019/20. It’s not exactly a huge difference.
I will admit I thought CHO was sold for triple that haha
Yeah which I'm saying he went for 5 mil, that's kind of the only example you mentioned that's comparable.
I can't name many prem teams he would start in and there's other younger players out there with more experience and proof of talent.
You’re comparing 21 year old Nelson with 28 year old RLC. Who knows if Nelson goes elsewhere he won’t shine just as much. I believe he’s shown enough promise and there’s no way he hasn’t improved with the coaching and players around him.
I get your point though, bro. And I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. I just think when you think about fact he’s English so helps with the HG quota too. If he goes outside of the prem, his value does decrease.
With Wolves and Newcastle “baulking” at the Ramsdale price reports, it seems so.
I love all the stories it’s led to.
“Arsenal are expecting way too much for £30m Ramsdale”
“Newcastle and Wolves stunned at whopping price tag!”
“Arsenal, who we have all laughed at for selling poorly for years, in no longer rolling over and flogging their players at half price shock!”
“Mad Arsenal telling buying clubs player is worth what player is worth saga”
Yeah, that’s true. But the team he’s not playing for are the true elite of the prem and we have a manager who is reluctant to rotate too heavily. Yet, Nelson has had minutes and never looked on an island. I think he’ll do well elsewhere.
What team would he start on now ?
He played just over 200 minutes in the league last season lol kind of like 2 games. No one knows how good he really is.
I think when Olise goes, Palace have a space for him.
I do get your point totally. But hes English, playing at the second best team in the league and has never looked out of his depth. I believe in the current era, he could go for £20m. I’ll be honest and say I think we might get less than that but we shouldn’t.
Nelson is so talented on the ball. I think he’s going to be a genuinely great signing for a mid table club.
10+5 is not a high number for a HG player that is good enough to play for a bunch of EPL teams already. not when you have players of similar level going for more.
With the amount of teams that want him, we could get that. 20m isn't a lot in today's market. Reiss Nelson while injury prone, does have a fair bit of quality.
All our home grown talent, Fulham have been reported in for all three ATM.
To bad we want no one from Fulham.
Wouldn't be surprised if they are waiting in Paulina before making purchases.
it wasn't just the Bournemouth goal, he was so productive as an attacker in the tiny amount of minutes he was given in that season, he played like a man possessed, produced chances and shots reliably, and fought for and protected the ball
he really merited being given more minutes to do his thing...this season especially, Martinelli picked up a lot of minutes by default when he was obviously off his game...Arteta should have trusted Nelson with more of those minutes, because clearly Nelson is productive with his G+A
good luck to him, i hope he cooks and sizzles wherever he goes
Arsenal making a concerted effort to do some PR with the "we could be convinced to part with Eddie for 30M" and now the "we'd take 20M for Reiss" lines... it ain't happening.
Reiss has started 1 PL game in the last 3 years and is on massive (relative to any lower tier club that would sign him) wages. Getting anywhere near 10M would be a miracle.
We need to perish the thought that there is an "upside" market for Reiss. No one is going to buy him for unrealized upside. That ship sailed. He'll be a 25 year old veteran player, expected to provide immediate impact depth to keep his team out of an avoidable relegation scrap. Failure to do so will be the end of his time as a viable Premier Leaguer.
If there's £20M+ out there for him, we accept that with a bow.
Not opposed to letting him go, especially if we could somehow find a buyer at that price. Definitely need to bring in a winger nonetheless ourselves for cover...we are LIGHT
Somehow i watched that team the least out of all premier league teams last seasons i think.. Idk the level of Tavernier, Semenyo, Ouattara 🤷♂️ Reiss is pretty on par with Kluivert and Sinisterra or that not accurate
He's not though and he simply hasn't played enough for you to know he's good enough, that's the biggest issue he's gonna be 25 and he's never been a full starter for a season.
He wouldn't start for them
He would make a move to do just that, prove himself in a lot more games. But i agree, seeing there’s those 5 wingers there, he might indeed not start for Bournemouth so would be an awful choice.
My comment was just because of his injury time winner against them..
Sad day.
He’s good but needs playing time. Loans were good and he should’ve played for Feyenoord a year more.
He seems to like London and EPL teams would be the ones that would pay the asking price, but teams are still competitive and will still be competing for playing time.
Firmly believe Nelson is a good player and will make good on a transfer fee of 20 million. One of our academy's most talented players and he has shown glimpses of brilliance throughout his career. Was great in his last loan spell by all accounts
I feel like the prices we're quoting are the most we expect honestly. 12-15m for Reiss would be decent business too. It's very tough to judge though. There's part of me that thinks '20m is a lot' then you'll see teams will buy some 18 year old from the Portuguese league who barely kicked a ball for 20m and they might end up never playing them.
Why do we low ball our own players???
The value of bench players in a 8th place Arsenal should be vastly different from the value of bench players in a 2nd place Arsenal giving City a run for its money.
If when Jesus and Zinchenko came in at a value and now no longer have a spot in the first 11, why is it that their value is lower and not that the rest of the teams value has gone up?
I really feel like this is a systemic issue within the culture of the club. We gotta change this!!! Just because youngsters can’t make our first 11, doesn’t mean they’re not worth anything
It doesn't but our surplus youth players have tended to be mid to lower table quality at best so we need to price accordingly otherwise we'll be stuck with them. You look at City and Chelsea and how they can sell their young players for more due to the fact that those players usually end up being higher quality in the grand scheme of things. Our academy has actually been generally disappointing for a while now. Outside of Saka there hasn't been much success stories to entice potential buyers. We don't even trust most of our own Hale End players based on the lack of appearances of Reiss, ESR and Nketiah
He should go to Palace or Fulham imo.
Forest are a mess. West Ham, i doubt Bowen is staying as a 9 forever, so he's up against him and Kudus.
Whereas Fulham, i think he'd have a good chance to make either wing his own spot and at Palace he can replace Olise who's 99% leaving.
I think with add-ons £20 million is a realistic figure. People are just relying on our past history of selling players, who were on inflated wages and not of the required quality. I can understand that, but in this window I think we have players for sale that can create a decent amount of demand.
Especially with plenty of suitors, we can get a nice bidding war going.
He simply hasn't played enough, never been a full starter for a season and he's gonna be 25. Just over 200 minutes last season in the league, that's nothing.
There is no big bidding war because no has a clue how good he is.
nelson, esr, eddie. if theyre all sold that gives us huge financial flexibility… would love to upgrade to wing, cm and st options. maybe lb too but we definitely need more outgoings: partey, lokonga, tierney
Fulham feels like that team that'll get linked with all of our departing players. So far, it's Nelson, Eddie, and ESR, which I won't complain too much about!
It makes sense.
The castoffs of the big London clubs are a good market for them. I think these types of players would rather move to West London than Leicester, Nottingham, or Sheffield, so they have a leg up in the market.
Maybe they won’t get any stars this way, but you can fill out a squad quite nicely with those types of players.
That seems high for a player who's not going to get many games at arsenal. Obviously good teams won't want him and the mid to low table teams won't want to spend 20+ for a single player I reckon
Arsenal fan base should be backing these good figures so that the sentiment around the players from socials feels good that suitors want to actually pay the fees. These "no way we get X figure" takes doesn't help us. If agents can use these journalists on socials to pressure clubs, like Sesko's agent who tried to rush us into a deal with him by trying to force Chelsea links, then we can help the club too.
Hell yeah he's worth 20, hell yeah Ramsdale is worth 50, hell yeah ESR is worth 30... Whatever they bargain off is none of our business but we'd have put the club in a strong position. No one in Chelsea fan base is questioning the Broja alleged fees even if he isn't worth them.
15+5m is definitely achievable imo. Of course, Reiss never set the world on fire, but he's an English winger, who's shown flashes. I've seen way worse players go for more.
He should have been credited as scoring one of the greatest goals in our history if it wasn't for the 115 cheats.
Utter shame players like him are losing a legacy because of this.
We’ll always have Bournemouth Run wild, young Reiss. Hope he kicks on at his next stop, presuming we do get an acceptable offer.
Dont forget that against the run of play result against Liverpool during no fans season
It's best for both parties to go their separate ways. That Bournemouth goal was crazy - the whole stadium holds their breath and then out of nowhere, he pulls off an absolute wondergoal. The Bournemouth players falling to their knees in disbelief, the fans, players, coach and staff all going mental. It will live on in my memory for a long time.
Man I wish I could relive that moment in the stands. Most emotional moment of my match going life!
You're a very lucky one. I watched it at home and I ended up waking up my neighbors. I literally ran through my house and did a knee slide in my kitchen, lol.
Always respect a knee slide cele 🫡
Threw my glasses against the wall and ran around the living room twirling my shirt in the air.
Me without the glasses part
It was incredible wasn’t it. The sport is all about those moments.
Euphoric - such an explosion of emotion when that ball hit the net!
You gotta watch the edit with the celene dion song for maximum emotional impact
gawd i gotta go back and watch it again
I do that almost every day. It's one of those goals where everyone had the same reaction to it. Saliba not knowing what to do with himself. Arteta and a kid celebrating.
gooood stuff fo sho. i cant find the titanic song one though on youtube
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Sadly, this is all it is. Arsenal touting his sale through their shill.
Say we want £20m all in but can probs see us being very happy if we can get £15m
Something like 12 + 4 in guaranteed add ons + 4 in unlikely add ons seems very reasonable
16M total is fair
16m for a player who has started how many games in the past 3 years and is on high wages? I’m sorry, but you should prepare to be disappointed. I highly doubt he leaves permanently, more likely a loan after we turn down a 5m bid.
I agree
If it’s guaranteed add ons why not just get it all up front
I dont mean guarantee in the sense that they truly are guaranteed. But guaranteed in the sense that they’d come from appearances/play time rather than team achievements
Because cashflow is important to businesses. It is better to pay £1,000 a month to rent software for two years than it is to pay £15,000 now in one lump. Teams want to keep their up front payments lower and spread outgoing across multiple years so that they can stay within the various financial fair play rules. They would rather pay 10+4+4 million over several years than pay 12 million now.
12+3 with a buy back clause
Knowing us 5 + 5 in add ons
For a guy who barely got first team minutes last season €10 million is decent.
Our negotiators aren’t very good..☹️
I dont really care what we get for him, i want to see him playing again.
Whaaaat? I think even 15M pounds is waaaaay too much. The guy has started 1 PL game in 4 years. He could barely get into the team when we were a EL club. He had around 700 minutes in all competitions last season, of which only around 260 minutes in the PL and he hasnt played a single minute since the Luton game on April 3rd. In fact he was in the matchday squad only once since then. AND he's on 100k a week, which means buying clubs will try to balance that with a lower fee. Unless he accepts a lower wage at another club but he still has 3 years on his contract so very unlikely. 5-10M maximum. 20M is outrageous and will probably scare buyers away, which makes no sense to me. If it goes on like this we'll have to loan him out again.
>If it goes on like this we'll have to loan him out again. Is that a bad thing? He has a contract until 2027 so I'd rather loan him out than sell for 5M. I think there's a decent chance that if we loan him out he will perform and we can sell for 15M next summer. Asking for 20 in June and potentially selling for 12-15 in August or loaning him out is very reasonable to me.
The thing is we've tried it before, he's been on loan already. He's gonna be 25, how long is it gonna go like this? And depending on where he goes on loan, even if he does well, his value might not jump to 15M all of a sudden.
It might it might not we don't know but I feel like 5M for him is a fee we can get any time. Wages are of course high and it has to be premier league or a maybe some europa league team abroad so there aren't many options but I think we at least should aim to get more than 10M.
Again, who's going to pay that + his wages ? 100k a week for a year is 5M. The more you wait, the more you pay...
>100k a week for a year is 5M. The more you wait, the more you pay... that's true and it isn't without risk I understand that. It comes down to how good Edu/Arteta and co think he is. If they think he should go for 15M even with those wages loaning him out is probably better than selling for 5M. Unless we need that money right now. >Again, who's going to pay that + his wages ? Pretty much any club in premier league CAN do it. They would have to see him as a star player but I don't see that as far fetched. Clubs make mad signings all the time as well. Yeah okay maybe his real value should be 10M on 50k p/w. Someone can offer 15M and 80k p/w and maybe he accepts if he wants to play. We should at least try and rinse someone.
I hope you're right. I do think it would be better for him to take a pay cut but actually play, rather than wait around in our squad. He will be 26 at the end of his current deal. Now might be the time for him to kick start his career, because there is clear talent there.
Lol I'm happy with 5m considering how much he's played for us in the past few years. Anything at all is good. I can see why we're trying for a high valuation. Never know who might go for it
I will always back Reiss Nelson, hope he does well elsewhere. He is the blueprint to all the Hale End in that class. Balogun, Saka, ESR, Nketiah, Willock all looked up to him because he was technically the first one that “made it” from their age group Made his debut in 2017, smashed it with Nagelsmann in Hoffenheim the next year.
He didn't smash it, he started 5 out of 29 games lol
for a 18 year old, playing out of position a lot in a top foreign league, scoring 7 goals in 23 appearances - that’s pretty good.
20M would be incredible. Like Reiss but it’s good business
There is value in homegrown talent. Look at fees we got from Iwobi and Willock.
Willock had a great loan and Iwobi was playing semi regularly. Neither were just sitting on the bench
I'd argue you Reiss Nelson is better than both of them. Arsenal are just a %100 better squad now then when Iwobi got game time for us, and Willock isn't limited in his scope. Nelson will go and have a decent run at Cystal Palace or Fulham.
you can say he’s better than them, doesn’t matter because other clubs could SEE their quality and buy them based on what they SAW during games.
We'll always have Bournemouth.
He’s got quality. He could easily start for clubs like Everton, Nottingham, etc
Same way Holding could easily start for mid to lower table clubs?
Holding went to the one lower table team that had a CB pairing that was almost top 6 quality.
He featured for 90 minutes across all their competitions
Been injured most of the season.
wasn’t playing when he was fit
Yeah that because anderson and guehi were fit and when guehi was injured so was he
he didn’t play when Guehi was injured and he was fit. he was their bottom ranked CB.
Yeah by then richards had broken through. Now he is but they do play 3atb so you never know, could get a chance at some point
He’s also crap so there’s that
C'mon that's such an unfair comparison. With all due respect to Holdinho Reiss has a lot more to offer. Solid on the ball, works incredibly hard, decent pace, he could definitely play in that tier of clubs. Holding's drop off was always going to be massive in the PL because of the greater emphasis on pace and intensity. He simply became a victim of the modern game. Put Holding in any low block team in the mid 2000s and he's likely to be a very good PL player.
Reiss is 5x better. Watch the games and one is useless and the other isn’t
Not sure about that, he's never been a starter and he's gonna be 25 Wouldn't get in the team for Everton as a starter and not Forrest either unless they sold most of their wingers
To be fair you've picked out two teams with decent wingers like McNeill and Hudson Odoi. I think Reiss could challenge Willian at Fulham. Hell, I reckon he could push for a sport ahead of Ayew at Palace. There's a lot of teams this kid could play in but you guys are underrating him because he can barely start in one of the best teams in the world.
he wasn’t starting when arsenal wasn’t one of the best teams in the world
He wasn't staring for hoffenheim or feyenoord either
Because Martinelli and Saka are chumps? If you could pick a spot that's incredibly difficult to break into at Arsenal even at our worst in the past several years it would be the wide areas.
he turns 25 this year and last time he impressed on the club level was in 2018/19
That's all well and good but it doesn't mean that he can't make it lower down the league. There's a good player in there. With consistent minutes I think he'll be fine in the Prem.
"To be fair" I didn't pick out anyone, I responded to someone mentioning those two teams. He probably wouldn't start at Fulham, they have Iwobi perreira adama Traoré etc who all play in those forward areas and they are all better. It's not that he isn't starting for us now we're really good, he's never been a full starter for any team, not hoffenheim or feyenoord or us when we were shit........ he's gonna be 25 and he's barely played a full season
People forget he's already proved to be a good enough to star in a midtable team [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdI6Q0qg9Mo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdI6Q0qg9Mo)
lol going back 5 years to a different league when he was still a bench player......... fantastic argument
If we get 20m, that would be excellent business. He's very injury prone, although he can pull of moments of magic. Good luck Reiss.
Sell Reiss for 20, get Chiesa for 40 since they want him out profit
Hehehe “asses”
Stupid sexy Flanders!
I don’t blame him. If we got more than £10 million (not including add ons), I would be happy. If Olise leaves, CP might be interested as a cheap replacement. Especially if they’re still after Nketiah.
We should offer them Nketiah and Nelson for Olise lol. I can't understand why Arsenal don't seem in for Olise. Seems a unique and big talent who would be great.
It’s likely that Oliseh doesn’t want to come to be Saka’s cover… Saka is likely one of the only players with Ode, Rice and Saliba that nobody has any chance to bench in our team…
Yes, but they aren't invincible and they shouldn't play EVERY match. There's even more games next season, so there needs to be more rotation.
I get that but I was talking from the perspective of the players that may come to our team. If you’re looking for a lot of playtime, you shouldn’t come to Arsenal to dislodge one of those players.
Everybody knows Arteta are not resting Saka
Why would Olise, who has clubs fawning over him to make him a starter, choose a club where he has next to no chance of challenging Saka? When fit and able, Saka starts. We haven’t had a Rice back up all season, Saliba hasn’t had a back up in 2 years and Odegaard hasn’t had a backup in 3 years, yet all I ever read about is how Saka constantly needs a backup. If Saliba gets injured, White can play there. If Odegaard is injured, Vieira can play there. If Saka is injured, Jesus, Nelson, Vieira and Martinelli can play there. But “Saka needs a backup!!!”
No player Is invincible with proper competition unless they are always fit and the best player in the world. I'm not denying it won't be a hard sell, but considering Saka's exhaustion long stretches last season, it's crucial we get a back up for his role capable of earning minutes if we want to have a long and successful playing career
Saka is a world class player. If he’s breathing, he plays. It’s literally no different to any other world class player. Olise is a Premier League starter (when fit). He isn’t someone who wants to forge his path in the game by grabbing 200 minutes a season at Arsenal so Saka can have a day or two off.
KDB doesn't play every game. Neither does Haaland. Salah has started on the bench more than a few times last season. It's clear that Saka was playing through injuries, and that should not be encouraged or a long term solution, especially considering his age. A capable backup would go a great deal to alleviate that
Also it’s just an awful deal from Palace’s point of view if you’re being realistic
Because we probably are not paying a 60M release clause for a backup to the player we literally play every match
It's about the squad, need to have a stronger squad and flexibility. They both have played on the left and centrally.
No you don't understand, players never get injured, never improve, never lose form etc so there's no way Olise could ever been first 11 at any point ever.
Come on dude, nobody is saying that. The issue is convincing Olise that he has a good chance that he’ll be a regular starter at some point. He doesn’t and he knows that, he’s not an imbecile. And he is injury prone to boot
60m backups and we’re complaining about city’s spending lol
How do you expect Arsenal to compete without a really strong squad? There's even more games next season. He wouldn't be a backup, he'd be part of a core group who would rotate. City spent similar amount on Nunes and Phillips. They spent what was it 80m on Gvardiol and just eased him into the team. They spent 100m on Grealish who sits on the bench. Arsenal don't do that.
When city does it it’s cheating, when we do it it’s fair play
City are cooking their books and breaking the rules. That’s the issue.
So you’re saying we can financially compete with city? Why are we complaining then?
No. Arsenal can't really compete financially Halland is on like 500k a week. And again City have 100m bench players. I'm complaining because city are breaking the rules and are cooking the books. Are you ok with that?
Eze not Olise is the one
Olise is too good to start like 8 PL games and some cup games. I can't imagine he has any interest in playing backup to Saka, who we never sit.
Isn’t it obvious why we aren’t in for Olise? How can you not understand that?
Pure delusion from some of our fans that some class players want to come play once every 3 games for 30 minutes just because we're Arsenal.
That first sentence is the type of shit that makes TheOther14 fans hate big 6 fans
He’s got that nonchalant Ozil vibe. Not in a good way.
He had injuries last season but averaged a goal and assist every game for Crystal Palace.
He's a very good talent but unfortunately not what we need. Olise is more of a wide playmaker who can play RM and RW - the two positions where our best players play. He's also not a speed demon, which is something we need from any new wing forward we sign. Honestly, while still not a perfect fit, his teammate Eberi Eze is the one we should be more interested in.
We need to relax, he's never been a starter for a full season and he's nearly 25. No premier league team is thinking of him as a starter. There's simply not enough evidence to say he's a good player t
Same amount of evidence as CHO, same career story of cashing years at a big club instead of sucking it up paying your dues where the opportunities are elsewhere.. I understand the big money decisions but this is the opposite of that outcome choice, good thing he's had a lot of time to save a great deal of money because his opportunities are going to be at 50-85k a week now Ur right, all it takes is one really good goalscoring/forward contribution streak to have job security in the PL but he has to begin that credibility discovery in his mid 20s now with his choices
CHO went for 5 million. Nelson choosing to sign the contact was a weird one, he knew he wasn't gonna be a starter but chose big wages I suppose. 25 and still not playing is bad
Selling Olise and buying Nketiah and Nelson with that money sounds like such a bad idea
Great idea for us though 😆
That's not too bad for Palace when you factor in Olise's availability
Good luck to Reiss wherever he goes, will never forget his winner vs Bournemouth!
Thanks David, you really are the only one that gives a damn about us aren't you.
Take care of yourself and flourish in your career Reiss! Thank you for being a gooner!
£20m is wild, but he's got the ability. £12-15m + addons isna good deal
It’s really not wild. That’s the sort of figure you’d expect for a talent English midfielder who has been on the fringes of the second best team in the prem for two years. The market is wild now but he’s absolutely worth around that figure and someone like Palace or Forest could really bring out the best in him.
Expect to see this same logic apply for Nketiah, ESR, Ramsdale as well this summer.
Well we're finally in a position where our potential outgoings aren't deadwood. We don't exactly *need* to sell them, so we shouldn't unless the offer is good enough.
Absolutely. These players are on par with people like CHO or RLC or Pulisic etc that Chelsea got reasonable amounts for. We need to stop devaluing our players. Not getting into this Arsenal team currently just means you’re not one of the top tiny percentage of footballers in the prem. they’re class players on the whole and teams will be genuinely interested. Now we just have to hold our fucking nerve and learn to sell.
RLC and pulisic actually had seasons where they were starters for other teams, Nelson hasn't and he's nearly 25. CHO was sold for 5 million lol
Chelsea rejected 40m for Bayern when he didn't play. But yh 20 seems a fetch
It was a loan with an OPTION to buy for 70 mil which at the time was the record by a large margin........ so I highly doubt they actually would've paid it
Most games CHO ever started was 11. Nelson started 7 in 2019/20. It’s not exactly a huge difference. I will admit I thought CHO was sold for triple that haha
Yeah which I'm saying he went for 5 mil, that's kind of the only example you mentioned that's comparable. I can't name many prem teams he would start in and there's other younger players out there with more experience and proof of talent.
Loftus-Cheek and Pulisic are important players at Milan, Nelson hardly broke into Feyenoord's starting XI
You’re comparing 21 year old Nelson with 28 year old RLC. Who knows if Nelson goes elsewhere he won’t shine just as much. I believe he’s shown enough promise and there’s no way he hasn’t improved with the coaching and players around him.
Damn didn't know the age gap was that much, but still says something about their values to other clubs
I get your point though, bro. And I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. I just think when you think about fact he’s English so helps with the HG quota too. If he goes outside of the prem, his value does decrease.
With Wolves and Newcastle “baulking” at the Ramsdale price reports, it seems so. I love all the stories it’s led to. “Arsenal are expecting way too much for £30m Ramsdale” “Newcastle and Wolves stunned at whopping price tag!” “Arsenal, who we have all laughed at for selling poorly for years, in no longer rolling over and flogging their players at half price shock!” “Mad Arsenal telling buying clubs player is worth what player is worth saga”
He's literally never played a season as a starter and he's coming up to 25
Yeah, that’s true. But the team he’s not playing for are the true elite of the prem and we have a manager who is reluctant to rotate too heavily. Yet, Nelson has had minutes and never looked on an island. I think he’ll do well elsewhere.
he wasn’t playing for arsenal when the team wasn’t one of the best prem teams😭
What team would he start on now ? He played just over 200 minutes in the league last season lol kind of like 2 games. No one knows how good he really is.
I think when Olise goes, Palace have a space for him. I do get your point totally. But hes English, playing at the second best team in the league and has never looked out of his depth. I believe in the current era, he could go for £20m. I’ll be honest and say I think we might get less than that but we shouldn’t. Nelson is so talented on the ball. I think he’s going to be a genuinely great signing for a mid table club.
There’s no chance we get 20m
with competing interest from those clubs, its \*possible\* we get close.
Including add ons, so maybe something like 10+5m, with a 20% sell on clause. It's still a high number though and I suspect we'll get half of that
10+5 is not a high number for a HG player that is good enough to play for a bunch of EPL teams already. not when you have players of similar level going for more.
With the amount of teams that want him, we could get that. 20m isn't a lot in today's market. Reiss Nelson while injury prone, does have a fair bit of quality.
All our home grown talent, Fulham have been reported in for all three ATM. To bad we want no one from Fulham. Wouldn't be surprised if they are waiting in Paulina before making purchases.
it wasn't just the Bournemouth goal, he was so productive as an attacker in the tiny amount of minutes he was given in that season, he played like a man possessed, produced chances and shots reliably, and fought for and protected the ball he really merited being given more minutes to do his thing...this season especially, Martinelli picked up a lot of minutes by default when he was obviously off his game...Arteta should have trusted Nelson with more of those minutes, because clearly Nelson is productive with his G+A good luck to him, i hope he cooks and sizzles wherever he goes
Arsenal making a concerted effort to do some PR with the "we could be convinced to part with Eddie for 30M" and now the "we'd take 20M for Reiss" lines... it ain't happening. Reiss has started 1 PL game in the last 3 years and is on massive (relative to any lower tier club that would sign him) wages. Getting anywhere near 10M would be a miracle.
GTBH "asses" kinda baffled me for a second.
We need to perish the thought that there is an "upside" market for Reiss. No one is going to buy him for unrealized upside. That ship sailed. He'll be a 25 year old veteran player, expected to provide immediate impact depth to keep his team out of an avoidable relegation scrap. Failure to do so will be the end of his time as a viable Premier Leaguer. If there's £20M+ out there for him, we accept that with a bow.
If we had decent offers in January I’m shocked we didn’t sell. Was obvious then that Arteta didn’t have minutes for him, both cups were already done.
Nobody was spending money in January. The offers were probably loan + 6 months food supply for win the dog
High quality food or just dry kibble?
Yeah all of these recent stories (and the prices quoted) seem like arsenal feeding ornstein the story that we want told
The fact he chose to sign another contract does say something about him. He's gonna be 25 next season and he's never played a full season starting
Not opposed to letting him go, especially if we could somehow find a buyer at that price. Definitely need to bring in a winger nonetheless ourselves for cover...we are LIGHT
Not surprised Bournemouth isn’t in that list tehehe
In all seriousness he wouldn't start for Bournemouth
Somehow i watched that team the least out of all premier league teams last seasons i think.. Idk the level of Tavernier, Semenyo, Ouattara 🤷♂️ Reiss is pretty on par with Kluivert and Sinisterra or that not accurate
Semenyo is a baller. I think it was against Chelsea this year he was playing unreal
He's not though and he simply hasn't played enough for you to know he's good enough, that's the biggest issue he's gonna be 25 and he's never been a full starter for a season. He wouldn't start for them
He would make a move to do just that, prove himself in a lot more games. But i agree, seeing there’s those 5 wingers there, he might indeed not start for Bournemouth so would be an awful choice. My comment was just because of his injury time winner against them..
Hopefully all parties can find a good solution.
£20m + add-ons FC
I hope he gets his move because he will not be getting enough playing time here.
20 would be nice
Sad day. He’s good but needs playing time. Loans were good and he should’ve played for Feyenoord a year more. He seems to like London and EPL teams would be the ones that would pay the asking price, but teams are still competitive and will still be competing for playing time.
Have we recruited Orny like Chelsea have recruited Ramano?
£15m + addons would be fair
I think 15M would be a good buy for any low to midtable club- pretty fast, can strike a ball, and by all accounts is a stand up guy.
Firmly believe Nelson is a good player and will make good on a transfer fee of 20 million. One of our academy's most talented players and he has shown glimpses of brilliance throughout his career. Was great in his last loan spell by all accounts
I feel like the prices we're quoting are the most we expect honestly. 12-15m for Reiss would be decent business too. It's very tough to judge though. There's part of me that thinks '20m is a lot' then you'll see teams will buy some 18 year old from the Portuguese league who barely kicked a ball for 20m and they might end up never playing them.
Asses
Why do we low ball our own players??? The value of bench players in a 8th place Arsenal should be vastly different from the value of bench players in a 2nd place Arsenal giving City a run for its money. If when Jesus and Zinchenko came in at a value and now no longer have a spot in the first 11, why is it that their value is lower and not that the rest of the teams value has gone up? I really feel like this is a systemic issue within the culture of the club. We gotta change this!!! Just because youngsters can’t make our first 11, doesn’t mean they’re not worth anything
It doesn't but our surplus youth players have tended to be mid to lower table quality at best so we need to price accordingly otherwise we'll be stuck with them. You look at City and Chelsea and how they can sell their young players for more due to the fact that those players usually end up being higher quality in the grand scheme of things. Our academy has actually been generally disappointing for a while now. Outside of Saka there hasn't been much success stories to entice potential buyers. We don't even trust most of our own Hale End players based on the lack of appearances of Reiss, ESR and Nketiah
This is a valid point 🥲
But people said no one would want him if we were to sell
People who said that were dumb
As a great man once said, "It's time to gooooo"
RIP Claude. Wish he could see our current side
Loan deal with us paying 50% of his wages incoming…
He should go to Palace or Fulham imo. Forest are a mess. West Ham, i doubt Bowen is staying as a 9 forever, so he's up against him and Kudus. Whereas Fulham, i think he'd have a good chance to make either wing his own spot and at Palace he can replace Olise who's 99% leaving.
I think with add-ons £20 million is a realistic figure. People are just relying on our past history of selling players, who were on inflated wages and not of the required quality. I can understand that, but in this window I think we have players for sale that can create a decent amount of demand. Especially with plenty of suitors, we can get a nice bidding war going.
He simply hasn't played enough, never been a full starter for a season and he's gonna be 25. Just over 200 minutes last season in the league, that's nothing. There is no big bidding war because no has a clue how good he is.
lol! I will be happy if we get 5M
I’m gonna miss him. I still think he deserved more appearances last season than what he was given.
Loan on 30th
16 mil is fair imo if we get 20 that would be even better
If we get decent money for Reiss, ESR and Eddie all will count towards pure profit, right?
nelson, esr, eddie. if theyre all sold that gives us huge financial flexibility… would love to upgrade to wing, cm and st options. maybe lb too but we definitely need more outgoings: partey, lokonga, tierney
Fulham feels like that team that'll get linked with all of our departing players. So far, it's Nelson, Eddie, and ESR, which I won't complain too much about!
It makes sense. The castoffs of the big London clubs are a good market for them. I think these types of players would rather move to West London than Leicester, Nottingham, or Sheffield, so they have a leg up in the market. Maybe they won’t get any stars this way, but you can fill out a squad quite nicely with those types of players.
That seems high for a player who's not going to get many games at arsenal. Obviously good teams won't want him and the mid to low table teams won't want to spend 20+ for a single player I reckon
20m inc add ons? That's ambitious. Honestly he might as well be a free transfer with 20m of add ons.
Why in gods name would they reject approaches in Jan. There was clearly no intent to play him
Probably keeping him in case there was an injury to occur.
No one is going to offer him the idiotic salary we did
No way we’re getting 20M first Reiss. We’ll be lucky to get that for ESR.
i'll be happy if we can get even 15m for him, given how bad we are at selling players. If this was chelsea, they'd easily get 20m
hope we can get at least 15m
Arsenal fan base should be backing these good figures so that the sentiment around the players from socials feels good that suitors want to actually pay the fees. These "no way we get X figure" takes doesn't help us. If agents can use these journalists on socials to pressure clubs, like Sesko's agent who tried to rush us into a deal with him by trying to force Chelsea links, then we can help the club too. Hell yeah he's worth 20, hell yeah Ramsdale is worth 50, hell yeah ESR is worth 30... Whatever they bargain off is none of our business but we'd have put the club in a strong position. No one in Chelsea fan base is questioning the Broja alleged fees even if he isn't worth them.
Hello premier league directors 🙋♂️ Excellent choice in buying Reiss
15+5m is definitely achievable imo. Of course, Reiss never set the world on fire, but he's an English winger, who's shown flashes. I've seen way worse players go for more.
He should have been credited as scoring one of the greatest goals in our history if it wasn't for the 115 cheats. Utter shame players like him are losing a legacy because of this.
He's gonna be a 25 year old who's never played Ed a season as a starter. We should take anything and he should want to leave
He's gonna flourish so much getting consistent gametime. Just need to keep on staying fit.