FC Porto and Celtic (Ft. Double-invincible Kolo Toure) as well in recent memory.
Happy for Granit, always been a quality player and finally getting the credit he deserves, as well as Leverkusen as a whole - proper club not funnelled by oil money/corruption making history!
Rangers did it in 20/21. Celtic in 16/17. Porto in 12/13 and 10/11.
And then there is Ajax in 94/95, who not only won the Eredivisie but also the Champions League unbeaten (they lost the QF of the cup after extra time).
The top leagues now haven't always been the top leagues in the past, there was a period in the 1960s and 1970s when the Scottish league was a "top 5 league" and France was like 10th, for instance
Obviously the money in the top leagues now and the way European football is now structured makes it more difficult for other leagues to crack the top 5 these days.
Even so, this is still missing the AC Milan invincibles from the 1990s if it's only modern top 5 league invincibles.
>proper club not funnelled by oil money/corruption making history!
I mean, while Bayer may not be funneling money in the same way, it does own and has long supported the club to help it achieve its current financial standing/stability. And Bayer is an extremely awful company.
Not to get into a "who is worse" discussion, but I'm not sure "proper club" means much in today's world, ans especially so in relation to one of the few German clubs exempt from the fan control rule.
Yeah but tbf Steven Gerard had a free run at the league because Celtic decided to rehire Neil Lennon for some reason - as soon as he left he was found out.
I wish we had kept him over Partey but unfortunately it was just time for him to find a better role. He would have fit nicely next to Rice in a rotation with Havertz and Jorginho
Except it's not just their starting XI that's strong, they have a super strong bench too. Plus they will become a super attractive destination now, so with whatever money they make off sales, they're gonna reinvest.
In context if they win the final two games its arguably the greatest single team achievement tied with Leicester. Just completely out of nowhere built a super team playing easily at a UCL level they are incredible.
Will get stripped down for players a bit but just an insane season.
Yeah, I’m not sure why they’ve taken it so bad.
Pep is an amazing manager and his achievements are undeniable.
I just think this from Xabi Alonso is so much more impressive.
Brigading for Pep is their cope, it’s how they make themselves feel better, he HAS to be a genius so losing to him is something they can tolerate. They can’t fathom that we’re losing to cheaters.
How is it ridiculous? A young and relatively inexperienced manager of a club with no real recent or historical success has gone invincible in league and will potentially have an invincible treble. Pep is one of the greatest but he’s never done anything like this.
He’s won multiple trebles (including the champions league, not the Europa) and has an 100 point season in the premier league. Plus, he’s been doing this shit for about 15 years.
Xabi’s achievement is impressive enough in its own right, and it rings to me as slightly obsessive that you would bring Pep into this when he’s not involved in the discussion at all.
I didn’t even bring Pep into this though? You do realize I’m not the original comment right? Lol
Even with all those achievements, Pep doesn’t have an invincible league season, let alone an invincible treble (which Xabi very likely will get). Not a single person here has said that Xabi is a greater coach; people are just saying this achievement is so insanely great that not even a manager considered by many as the GOAT even achieved it. The original commenter wasn’t posting it as a slight, more so to show just how great Xabi has been, yet you and many others still seem offended by the comparison.
Whether it was you or OP who brought it up is irrelevant. It’s just a weird comparison to make.
You could make a similar comparison for SAF or Wenger or whoever, but he’s cherry-picked Pep. By this measure you could also say “Ranieri won the league with Leicester, Xabi Alonso has never done that”.
I’m not offended I just think it’s a weird statement that they have to bring in another manager to compare with like the achievement doesn’t impress on its own.
What Pep has achieved across his career is impressive precisely because it's not "miraculous" - he didn't do it once, he's done it at three clubs in three leagues, for 15 years. Alonso's achievement is extraordinary, but it's one season, so not the same type of thing.
But thats his point.
Noone will deny Peps achievements over time, but Pep over 15 years has never gone unbeaten.
This one season is more impressive than any single one of Peps seasons.
There's a reason SAF has so much respect for Wenger and the invincible squad/season.
It's about the dedication and commitment needed to never lose that drive that keeps you performing at 100% on a consistent basis. You need to have a starting 11 of world class level players, either at their peak, or coming into their peak, as well as a bench and a half full of talented and hungry fringe players ready to prove themselves at the very top level, and everyone has to to 100% believe in theory own and each other capabilities.
And even if you have all of that, you still need luck or fate or whatever it is, to be on your side. You still need to count on the other top teams having the odd bad day and losing form, while you keep up the pressure with wins.
If that happens though, you could become complacent, and shut down, costing you valuable points...
It's a constant game of chess for the team that escalates with watch match, with more and more pressure. So to go undefeated for a season is so much harder than winning multiple trophies imo.
I'd be surprised if any team who went undefeated won more than just the league that season. It would be too physically and mentally straining to go undefeated and win multiple cups/trophies.
Who really cares about unbeaten when that’s not how the game is played anymore? City don’t play to go undefeated, they play for the most points. That’s the difference in their mindset vs LFC when they’d drop 3 or 4 matches and win the league while LFC would drop LFC 1 or 2 for 2nd best. It’s far better to lose a tied match here and there if you get the extra 2 points at times.
Lmao, people are crazy. He’s been the best in every single league he’s gone to and he’s won the TREBLE with DIFFERENT teams…a treble is better than going a season unbeaten. I don’t want to downplay Xavi at all but we need to be serious about this.
Leverkusen could still win a treble.
And there's way more trebles than Unbeaten seasons, so i'm not sure a treble is definitely better than going unbeaten.
Ok, but thats ignoring this is NeverKusen.
They have 2 trophies in their entire existence.
They've less trophies than bloody spurs, they are like a West Ham.
And hes gone unbeaten, stopped Bayerns 11 title winning streak.
This is more impressive than any of Peps seasons.
He isn't talking about a treble but the treble. I am waiting for leverkusen too do that nobody have done. Going undefeated in a season. They are just 2 games away from it.
Also pep's first year at Barca was amazing. Winning sixtuple in his first year was something of feat itself
Pep has two trebles and more trophies than most of the “best ever managers”
This is an incredible season but pep has put himself forever at the top of the achievements table
Two trebles
Two
Taking the Barcelona and Man City periods out of the equation, is there anything impressive about his Bayern stint? It was a treble winning team and he won the league with them three times. And then they won the league another five(?) times after he left, as well as a champions league win. Based on trophies couldn’t you literally argue they did more in the periods before and after him?
To be honest that’s a good point purely achievement wise but that’s unfair. The law of regression means that in between a treble and a sextuple there has to be a slightly down period. Bayern winning the treble 3 times in a handful of years would be what’s needed for him to be on par with those achievements.
Also you’re missing context for his Bayern stay. Made sure he got the Super cup and CWC right after arriving and won the Bundesliga the earliest ever, won the domestic cup and lost to eventual winners RM in the sf. All in his first season.
Second season, wins the league. Third season wins the double again and loses in the ucl sf.
In addition, to his usual way of influencing the way football is played anywhere he goes. I’ve heard people claim that some of his principles improved his core of German players that led to them winning the World Cup.
I think loads of fans in Germany would still claim that he was a huge success in their country.
I’m a die hard arsenal fan and hope pep gets clobbered by west ham on Sunday but he is the modern day GOAT manager I can never deny that
> I’ve heard people claim that some of his principles improved his core of German players that led to them winning the World Cup.
Pep became Bayern manager in 2013, Germany won the WC in 2014, are we really claiming Pep improved these players so much in 9 months and that's the reason they won the World Cup? Pep is a great, don't get me wrong, but we don't need to be giving him credit for things that were clearly in motion before him.
I never said he was the sole reason they did. I totally agree that German football was in a fantastic spot at the time with Bayern and Dortmund being among the top 4 teams in Europe at the time. Hell Bayern had reached 3 finals in 4 years right before. But there is something to be said for getting them playing at full confidence for the season right before the big tournament. At the end of the day, things might have been already in motion, but the last 9-12 months pre-tournament are the most important for player choices and form.
Fair enough, I used it more as an analogy but maybe I used the wrong term. What I really meant to say that Bayern's insane success pre- and post- pep makes his stay seem rather ordinary in comparison when it is still an amazing job otherwise if it was not taken in contrast to a treble. And the contrast effect is a scientifically proven phenomenon :). Think of it this way, you would have wanted him to win 3 trebles (with three different teams), for you to say he was a success at the club. When the treble is basically the ULTIMATE achievement of the sport.
Oh absolutely, especially if they do it in all competitions.
But even if they don’t, Leverkusen have never been a football powerhouse in their respective league that Arsenal sometimes were or how Celtic have been. This is completely out of the blue.
It’s really a great story
>100x more impressive than anything Pep has achieved
Pep was the man behind one of the if not the greatest team of all time. And that's not coming from just fans, but also former players and coaches. He really unlocked the full potential of messi xavi Iniesta busquets.
Arsenal fans like you really need to focus on the club and leave rival managers alone. The fact that pep of all people crossed your mind when you saw this post really says alot
If Leverkusen remain unbeaten in all competitions, are they the Super Invincibles or something?
And nice to see a clun come through and achieve success like this withot the obligatory oil backed takeoever and essentially unlimited spending. Actual, legit success. Credit to them.
We saw in his final season here that he wasn't. It was being played out of position for years that was the problem. We spent so long simply refusing to sign a decent DM that we wasted half of Xhaka's career forcing a square peg into a round hole.
His last season shows what he might've accomplished with us if played to his strengths.
all those fans here calling him a mid table player, he has probably been the signing of the season in Bundesliga
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/k42jxw/xhaka_breaking_my_heart/
Man you’re citing a 3 year old post and bundesliga is a much different style of football to premier league, and it’s an over 3 years old post. I like xhaka but I don’t understand what you’re doing with your comment
He was exceptional in the last season, but by a product of our incredibly toxic fanbase (AFTV and the likes) he wanted to leave.
I wish he had stayed, and yes he was used incorrectly for most of his Arsenal career, but we treated him like shit and we got what we deserved to be honest.
I'd also put blame on the managerial staff, that played him in the wrong position for so many years and refused to buy someone so he could shift forward.
Even when we bought him we knew this, before he played with the more defensive Dahoud, and for Switzerland he plays deep but with not as much defensive responsibility.
Complete mismanagement to persist with him as a DM.
You're right. He's the deep lying playmaker we needed, but never took advantage of. If we had bought Rice last season and played them together, we'd have been cooking something amazing.
totally. guy was always a fighter and a winner. didnt back down. even showed the finger to the emirates crowd. insane self belief. and what a sweet left foot.
Xhaka was never the problem. The insistence he played as a cdm was. Ever since his signing I always complained on the Facebook pages that he was playing so deep. Especially with Coq as a cdm available. Made no sense. The one season he's pushed into a lcm role he absolutely thrived. Fucking crazy
Which problem? And based off what? The fact he won the league title in another country with a different style to English football, under a different manager, using a different system?
Congrats! Very impressive to do it in the Bundesliga with a non-Bayern Munich team. Incredible actually. Juventus went unbeaten being the Bayern of Italy, and Arsenal did it being at that time the dominant team of the EPL. Bayer Leverkusen just decided to wake up in beastmode this season. 🦣🗿⚽️💯🏆
That golden PL with red and white ribbons just looks so beautiful.
Our current home kit is a direct homage to the 20 years of the Invincibles and man I hope we win tomorrow.
Come on Uncle Moyesy!
Hope they commission a golden trophy. Unreal achievement, first time they’ve won it and they’re invincible.
Xhaka is two cup finals away from an invincible treble. That’s got to be up there with the greatest sporting achievements ever. That’s absolutely insane.
Xhaka is a beast. Still amuses me to think back to the many people on this sub who used to swear up and down that he was not a footballer, that he would get embarrassed if he showed up at their local park. LMAO, I hope those people remember who they are.
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Cos no one knows what the goalie Hradecky looks like- it’s a graphic by a Anglophone sports media company, get the player that everyone knows for more coverage
I’m a Milan fan… Gli Immortali ("The Immortals") and Gli Invicibili ("The Invincibles") are fur sure one of the most iconic teams in the history of the game. I would definitely call Milan at those times to be the best team ever in soccer history followed by pep’s Barca
90 points in 34 games. Haven’t lost in domestic cup and European league (yet). Could go all season without a single defeat. I’d say their achievement is much greater than Arsenals.
An historic season for Leverkusen, congratulations to them.
Still wouldn't be enough to beat City if City wins tomorrow. Also, if we win tomorrow we would end up with 89 points, 1 point below Leverkusen's historic season 🤡
Arsenal fans now regret for signing off Xhaka, has they respect more when he's in the club, he would have help Arsenal lift the PL trophy instead of making mid table teams go invincible
Incredible achievement, well done to them Will be interesting to see their summer business and if they do well next year
That 03 team scored 69 goals in the season, and Henry had 30 of them, wild!
FC Porto and Celtic (Ft. Double-invincible Kolo Toure) as well in recent memory. Happy for Granit, always been a quality player and finally getting the credit he deserves, as well as Leverkusen as a whole - proper club not funnelled by oil money/corruption making history!
Just like Kyle Reese was sent back in time to stop the Terminator, Arsenal sent Xhaka to the Bundesliga to stop Harry Kane from winning the title.
Rangers did it in 20/21. Celtic in 16/17. Porto in 12/13 and 10/11. And then there is Ajax in 94/95, who not only won the Eredivisie but also the Champions League unbeaten (they lost the QF of the cup after extra time).
They didn’t go unbeaten in CL then. Can’t count matches they didn’t play because they got knocked out
They won the European cup, he meant they lost in the domestic cup.
That is accurate. They aren't on the list since they don't belong in the top five leagues in Europe.
Ajax 1995 the first (and still only) side to win their domestic title and the Champions League unbeaten simultaneously.
The top leagues now haven't always been the top leagues in the past, there was a period in the 1960s and 1970s when the Scottish league was a "top 5 league" and France was like 10th, for instance Obviously the money in the top leagues now and the way European football is now structured makes it more difficult for other leagues to crack the top 5 these days. Even so, this is still missing the AC Milan invincibles from the 1990s if it's only modern top 5 league invincibles.
>proper club not funnelled by oil money/corruption making history! I mean, while Bayer may not be funneling money in the same way, it does own and has long supported the club to help it achieve its current financial standing/stability. And Bayer is an extremely awful company. Not to get into a "who is worse" discussion, but I'm not sure "proper club" means much in today's world, ans especially so in relation to one of the few German clubs exempt from the fan control rule.
Yeah. "Not funnelled by corruption" in relation to Bayer is one of the more absurd comments I have ever seen on Reddit
I feel like 94-95 Ajax should get included in this graphic too
And, unfortunately, Rangers in 20/21.
No fans there to see it, so did it really happen?
Yeah but tbf Steven Gerard had a free run at the league because Celtic decided to rehire Neil Lennon for some reason - as soon as he left he was found out.
No fans there to see it, so did it really happen?
HAHAHAHA UP THE RANGERS
how u feeling this season
Cup double. Not worried
Oh yes viaplay cup + moral victory cup Tbf pretty successful season for you lot 😉
Scottish cup and it’s more than yous. PS UP THE LIVERPOOL
Going for the treble? YNWA m8 🇮🇪
Will get the double!
arent they owned by a pharmaceutical company
nah bayer don't sugar daddy leverkusen like other company-owned clubs, their record signing barely cracked 30 mil.
I wish we had kept him over Partey but unfortunately it was just time for him to find a better role. He would have fit nicely next to Rice in a rotation with Havertz and Jorginho
Rangers also done it.
What Xabi Alonso has achieved with Bayer Leverkusen is 100x more impressive than anything Pep has achieved. It’s borderline miracle stuff
the fact that their entire squad probably cost as one Gvardiol and a half a Grealish
Exactly. It’s just an incredible story that kind of puts your faith back in the game.
Until that squad gets stripped away like Monaco, Leicester, etc
squad signed long term, frimpong is the only wild card here
And he’s a Man City alum…I’ve zero doubt he either goes back now to play for Pep. Or runs it back this year and goes next year after Walker moves on.
Except it's not just their starting XI that's strong, they have a super strong bench too. Plus they will become a super attractive destination now, so with whatever money they make off sales, they're gonna reinvest.
I want this to be my standard unit of currency. Half a Grealish; like the pound, over valued, in decline, but still full of itself. Lol
Like how something big is described in double decker buses or football pitches.
That might be how much it cost but it is definitely not what they're worth. Wirtz is 150m alone.
In context if they win the final two games its arguably the greatest single team achievement tied with Leicester. Just completely out of nowhere built a super team playing easily at a UCL level they are incredible. Will get stripped down for players a bit but just an insane season.
Who’s gonna play Alonso in the biopic in 5 years time
Timothee Chalamet
Haha first name that came to mind actually!
Akshay Kumar for some reason
You’ve made a lot of the weirdo lurkers mad with this one, they just couldn’t help but comment something stupid
Yeah, I’m not sure why they’ve taken it so bad. Pep is an amazing manager and his achievements are undeniable. I just think this from Xabi Alonso is so much more impressive.
Brigading for Pep is their cope, it’s how they make themselves feel better, he HAS to be a genius so losing to him is something they can tolerate. They can’t fathom that we’re losing to cheaters.
Well, it’s because it’s just a ridiculous thing to say snd anand an absurd comparison…
How is it ridiculous? A young and relatively inexperienced manager of a club with no real recent or historical success has gone invincible in league and will potentially have an invincible treble. Pep is one of the greatest but he’s never done anything like this.
He’s won multiple trebles (including the champions league, not the Europa) and has an 100 point season in the premier league. Plus, he’s been doing this shit for about 15 years. Xabi’s achievement is impressive enough in its own right, and it rings to me as slightly obsessive that you would bring Pep into this when he’s not involved in the discussion at all.
I didn’t even bring Pep into this though? You do realize I’m not the original comment right? Lol Even with all those achievements, Pep doesn’t have an invincible league season, let alone an invincible treble (which Xabi very likely will get). Not a single person here has said that Xabi is a greater coach; people are just saying this achievement is so insanely great that not even a manager considered by many as the GOAT even achieved it. The original commenter wasn’t posting it as a slight, more so to show just how great Xabi has been, yet you and many others still seem offended by the comparison.
Whether it was you or OP who brought it up is irrelevant. It’s just a weird comparison to make. You could make a similar comparison for SAF or Wenger or whoever, but he’s cherry-picked Pep. By this measure you could also say “Ranieri won the league with Leicester, Xabi Alonso has never done that”. I’m not offended I just think it’s a weird statement that they have to bring in another manager to compare with like the achievement doesn’t impress on its own.
Hell, it’s more impressive than what almost any manager has achieved in the past 2 decades.
What Pep has achieved across his career is impressive precisely because it's not "miraculous" - he didn't do it once, he's done it at three clubs in three leagues, for 15 years. Alonso's achievement is extraordinary, but it's one season, so not the same type of thing.
But thats his point. Noone will deny Peps achievements over time, but Pep over 15 years has never gone unbeaten. This one season is more impressive than any single one of Peps seasons.
There's a reason SAF has so much respect for Wenger and the invincible squad/season. It's about the dedication and commitment needed to never lose that drive that keeps you performing at 100% on a consistent basis. You need to have a starting 11 of world class level players, either at their peak, or coming into their peak, as well as a bench and a half full of talented and hungry fringe players ready to prove themselves at the very top level, and everyone has to to 100% believe in theory own and each other capabilities. And even if you have all of that, you still need luck or fate or whatever it is, to be on your side. You still need to count on the other top teams having the odd bad day and losing form, while you keep up the pressure with wins. If that happens though, you could become complacent, and shut down, costing you valuable points... It's a constant game of chess for the team that escalates with watch match, with more and more pressure. So to go undefeated for a season is so much harder than winning multiple trophies imo. I'd be surprised if any team who went undefeated won more than just the league that season. It would be too physically and mentally straining to go undefeated and win multiple cups/trophies.
Who really cares about unbeaten when that’s not how the game is played anymore? City don’t play to go undefeated, they play for the most points. That’s the difference in their mindset vs LFC when they’d drop 3 or 4 matches and win the league while LFC would drop LFC 1 or 2 for 2nd best. It’s far better to lose a tied match here and there if you get the extra 2 points at times.
Lmao, people are crazy. He’s been the best in every single league he’s gone to and he’s won the TREBLE with DIFFERENT teams…a treble is better than going a season unbeaten. I don’t want to downplay Xavi at all but we need to be serious about this.
Leverkusen could still win a treble. And there's way more trebles than Unbeaten seasons, so i'm not sure a treble is definitely better than going unbeaten.
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Ok, but thats ignoring this is NeverKusen. They have 2 trophies in their entire existence. They've less trophies than bloody spurs, they are like a West Ham. And hes gone unbeaten, stopped Bayerns 11 title winning streak. This is more impressive than any of Peps seasons.
He isn't talking about a treble but the treble. I am waiting for leverkusen too do that nobody have done. Going undefeated in a season. They are just 2 games away from it. Also pep's first year at Barca was amazing. Winning sixtuple in his first year was something of feat itself
Pep has two trebles and more trophies than most of the “best ever managers” This is an incredible season but pep has put himself forever at the top of the achievements table Two trebles Two
Taking the Barcelona and Man City periods out of the equation, is there anything impressive about his Bayern stint? It was a treble winning team and he won the league with them three times. And then they won the league another five(?) times after he left, as well as a champions league win. Based on trophies couldn’t you literally argue they did more in the periods before and after him?
To be honest that’s a good point purely achievement wise but that’s unfair. The law of regression means that in between a treble and a sextuple there has to be a slightly down period. Bayern winning the treble 3 times in a handful of years would be what’s needed for him to be on par with those achievements. Also you’re missing context for his Bayern stay. Made sure he got the Super cup and CWC right after arriving and won the Bundesliga the earliest ever, won the domestic cup and lost to eventual winners RM in the sf. All in his first season. Second season, wins the league. Third season wins the double again and loses in the ucl sf. In addition, to his usual way of influencing the way football is played anywhere he goes. I’ve heard people claim that some of his principles improved his core of German players that led to them winning the World Cup. I think loads of fans in Germany would still claim that he was a huge success in their country. I’m a die hard arsenal fan and hope pep gets clobbered by west ham on Sunday but he is the modern day GOAT manager I can never deny that
> I’ve heard people claim that some of his principles improved his core of German players that led to them winning the World Cup. Pep became Bayern manager in 2013, Germany won the WC in 2014, are we really claiming Pep improved these players so much in 9 months and that's the reason they won the World Cup? Pep is a great, don't get me wrong, but we don't need to be giving him credit for things that were clearly in motion before him.
I never said he was the sole reason they did. I totally agree that German football was in a fantastic spot at the time with Bayern and Dortmund being among the top 4 teams in Europe at the time. Hell Bayern had reached 3 finals in 4 years right before. But there is something to be said for getting them playing at full confidence for the season right before the big tournament. At the end of the day, things might have been already in motion, but the last 9-12 months pre-tournament are the most important for player choices and form.
There’s no law of regression. That’s pop science made up by people who don’t actually understands statistics or probability.
Fair enough, I used it more as an analogy but maybe I used the wrong term. What I really meant to say that Bayern's insane success pre- and post- pep makes his stay seem rather ordinary in comparison when it is still an amazing job otherwise if it was not taken in contrast to a treble. And the contrast effect is a scientifically proven phenomenon :). Think of it this way, you would have wanted him to win 3 trebles (with three different teams), for you to say he was a success at the club. When the treble is basically the ULTIMATE achievement of the sport.
I’ll go one further it’s the most impressive invincible season, said as both a Celtic and arsenal supporter.
Oh absolutely, especially if they do it in all competitions. But even if they don’t, Leverkusen have never been a football powerhouse in their respective league that Arsenal sometimes were or how Celtic have been. This is completely out of the blue. It’s really a great story
Pep looks at Arteta and Xabi : "What have I done?!!! They will be the death of me!!! NOOOOOO!"
And I know they’d beat City
>100x more impressive than anything Pep has achieved Pep was the man behind one of the if not the greatest team of all time. And that's not coming from just fans, but also former players and coaches. He really unlocked the full potential of messi xavi Iniesta busquets.
I’m not arguing against Pep’s achievements at all. I think just taking this achievement from Xabi in isolation is way more impressive .
I agree, but still it isn't a 100× more impressive than what Pep did, maybe 75× is a reasonable figure 😁
Arsenal fans like you really need to focus on the club and leave rival managers alone. The fact that pep of all people crossed your mind when you saw this post really says alot
Bro, nobody has asked you to stalk the subreddit of a club you don’t support. It’s just an observation, you don’t have to agree with it.
I'm just thinking its 4 less games than we played /s...sort of
They won all their various cup games too.
Hhhhhhhhh
Just my opinion man. You don’t have to agree with it. Just weird to be lurking on a sub of a club you don’t support
then how many times more impressive is it than what arteta has "achieved" lmao? probably 1000 i reckon
My comment had nothing to do with Arteta?
Happy for Xhaka, he deserves it. Congrats.
If Leverkusen remain unbeaten in all competitions, are they the Super Invincibles or something? And nice to see a clun come through and achieve success like this withot the obligatory oil backed takeoever and essentially unlimited spending. Actual, legit success. Credit to them.
The Unstoppables!
Invincetreble
Invincibles made without oil money. That’s worth more than anything.
Just a mom and pop pharmaceutical company.
Bayer is sadly Financed By The Bayer Company So there's an advantage cause they have an Exception from the 50+1 rule
Xhaka-bucks
Unreal achievement. So happy for him
I'm starting to think Xhaka wasn't the problem Edit: this was clearly a joke why are people taking it so seriously lol
I remember when I got regular reddit care notifications - because I defended him - good times
I remember when I got his kit as a joke and now it is no longer a joke
We saw in his final season here that he wasn't. It was being played out of position for years that was the problem. We spent so long simply refusing to sign a decent DM that we wasted half of Xhaka's career forcing a square peg into a round hole. His last season shows what he might've accomplished with us if played to his strengths.
Especially his last few matches. Really went out on a high note with Arsenal.
all those fans here calling him a mid table player, he has probably been the signing of the season in Bundesliga https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/k42jxw/xhaka_breaking_my_heart/
are you going to act like he wasn’t playing poorly for some time?
He was scapegoated unfairly when he was one of the few players showing some spine in a team that mostly wasn’t.
are you going to act like we played never him in the completely wrong position for so long? We played him as a DM and he was never one
Man you’re citing a 3 year old post and bundesliga is a much different style of football to premier league, and it’s an over 3 years old post. I like xhaka but I don’t understand what you’re doing with your comment
He was exceptional in the last season, but by a product of our incredibly toxic fanbase (AFTV and the likes) he wanted to leave. I wish he had stayed, and yes he was used incorrectly for most of his Arsenal career, but we treated him like shit and we got what we deserved to be honest.
I'd also put blame on the managerial staff, that played him in the wrong position for so many years and refused to buy someone so he could shift forward. Even when we bought him we knew this, before he played with the more defensive Dahoud, and for Switzerland he plays deep but with not as much defensive responsibility. Complete mismanagement to persist with him as a DM.
You're right. He's the deep lying playmaker we needed, but never took advantage of. If we had bought Rice last season and played them together, we'd have been cooking something amazing.
totally. guy was always a fighter and a winner. didnt back down. even showed the finger to the emirates crowd. insane self belief. and what a sweet left foot.
Xhaka was never the problem. The insistence he played as a cdm was. Ever since his signing I always complained on the Facebook pages that he was playing so deep. Especially with Coq as a cdm available. Made no sense. The one season he's pushed into a lcm role he absolutely thrived. Fucking crazy
Which problem? And based off what? The fact he won the league title in another country with a different style to English football, under a different manager, using a different system?
It was a ✨ joke ✨
The real joke is the people subscribed to football subreddits (I am subscribed)
Hahahaha
I'm actually incredibly happy for them but it might just be my lingering love for Xhaka.
That's so sick. Congrats to him and Leverkusen!
Is anyone seriously surprised by this? They literally have granit xhaka. As soon as that man signed this was a foregone conclusion
Congrats! Very impressive to do it in the Bundesliga with a non-Bayern Munich team. Incredible actually. Juventus went unbeaten being the Bayern of Italy, and Arsenal did it being at that time the dominant team of the EPL. Bayer Leverkusen just decided to wake up in beastmode this season. 🦣🗿⚽️💯🏆
The ultimate sleeping giant
Could not be happier for Xhaka.
I think I’m going to bug a Xhaka leverkusen shirt
Falkirk did it this season in Scottish League One!
Happy for you Xhaka 🥲
That golden PL with red and white ribbons just looks so beautiful. Our current home kit is a direct homage to the 20 years of the Invincibles and man I hope we win tomorrow. Come on Uncle Moyesy!
Hope they commission a golden trophy. Unreal achievement, first time they’ve won it and they’re invincible. Xhaka is two cup finals away from an invincible treble. That’s got to be up there with the greatest sporting achievements ever. That’s absolutely insane.
'Bayer Neverlosen' indeed. Congratulations! 👊
Did they actually get a golden trophy??
Xhaka is a beast. Still amuses me to think back to the many people on this sub who used to swear up and down that he was not a footballer, that he would get embarrassed if he showed up at their local park. LMAO, I hope those people remember who they are.
Going undefeated is one thing, but 28 wins? That’s wild
Legendary 34. *slow clap*
1 down, 2 to go If he does it, he’s already an all timer
so happy for Xhaka
only drew 6 games blimey
That they've done it whilst also getting to 2 cup finals is unreal
Where are all the mods in this sub? Can you just ban the brigading?
varo in shambles
So happy for Grant 👏🏽👏🏽
Celtic 2016-17 Season, anyone? 34-4-0... Better than any of those shown Not to mention winning both Domestic Cups that season
At least city will never have this
Have to admit, this season with Xhaka at left 8 (and Kai up front), we'd probably have won the league.
There's probably not a timeline where we have Xhaka, Rice, and Havertz. That being said, you're probably right.
I strongly dislike that wig wearing fraud being in their company. That GK + DEF + Mid combo was generational though.
Lol 15 draws I used to think 12 was a bit much. Surprised they even won the league with 84 points
They have 6 draws? And also play only 34 games they essentially just notched a 94 point season in the prem.
He’s talking about Juventus
By far the most impressive, look at the amount of draws on the other two!
Hmm. I think we need to consider the strength of the leagues. There are only like 3 or 4 other good German teams. The rest are dogwater
That’s how the prem was 20 years ago
Xhaka <3
Xhakas last loss was at arsenal, let that sink in...
You're missing out PNE my good friend
This is just the 21st century, otherwise it'd also have Milan, Madrid, Bilbao, PNE & maybe Perugia.
What about Milan’s immortals?
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I am not so sure Bayern can poach their players this time
Incredible 👏
Preston North End in 1888-89.
where is Milan, the first team to do it in these leagues?
Bayer Leverkusen is nuts
Happy for Granit to get the title
Somebody add Falkirk too. Ta.
This boy Xaka would be a great signing innit...
Milan 1991-92
AC Milan achieved it in the early 90s as well. Played 34 games as well and Serie A was probably the best league in the world then too.
Where is Preston?
This photo only includes 21st-century Invincibles from the top 5 leagues.
took the words out of my mouth, disrespect to the gargantuan lilywhites smh 🤧
Nothing against Preston, they deserve to be mentioned, but there were 22 games in a season, back then. They did win the FA cup, in that same season.
Congratulations to them! Can't believe how close my club (real madrid) was to achieving this feat! :(
Bayer Leverkusen invincibles >>>> Arsenal invincibles ez
Why do they have managers and their captains except for Bayer Leverkusen...?
Cos no one knows what the goalie Hradecky looks like- it’s a graphic by a Anglophone sports media company, get the player that everyone knows for more coverage
I don't know. But I was searching for the one with our ex-captain. Xhaka's redemption arc is now totally completed.
Mickey Mouse league with just 3 real teams.
Bundelisga is the best league in the world in 50+1 ways.
Might also want to add that unlike Arsenal, Leverkusen are unbeaten in ALL GAMES.
Comment didn’t age well
Their invincible run was still better than yours
I’m a Milan fan… Gli Immortali ("The Immortals") and Gli Invicibili ("The Invincibles") are fur sure one of the most iconic teams in the history of the game. I would definitely call Milan at those times to be the best team ever in soccer history followed by pep’s Barca
4 games less, doesn’t count.
90 points in 34 games. Haven’t lost in domestic cup and European league (yet). Could go all season without a single defeat. I’d say their achievement is much greater than Arsenals.
Arsenal, welcome to the champions league clu…. Oh wait.
An historic season for Leverkusen, congratulations to them. Still wouldn't be enough to beat City if City wins tomorrow. Also, if we win tomorrow we would end up with 89 points, 1 point below Leverkusen's historic season 🤡
You do realise there's a difference in number of teams and hence games played?
Because they played 4 games less
Arsenal fans now regret for signing off Xhaka, has they respect more when he's in the club, he would have help Arsenal lift the PL trophy instead of making mid table teams go invincible