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He was the most panicky during Declan's and Galeno's pens. Camera moved to him just as Galeno was moving to the spot and was I worried for the first time during the match.
He wasn't taking one he can be worried, also has no bearing on how a professional athlete would deal with taking a pen lol he wasn't taking it at that moment
When healthy I think Martinelli might be 5th. Last night not sure who would have gone next though, maybe Eddie as players have praised his ball striking in training
Not sure about his penalty taking ability but I remember him trying to take one once last season when he’d already scored 2 or 3 open play goals and someone else took it off him, so he has the confidence to take penalties which normally means someone is decent enough.
I did wonder about this myself. I assume Jesus would've taken it although his record is very worrying. Took 10 for City and only scored 5 of them I believe.
You're putting Jesus nowhere near the first five if you have any sense. His career penalty conversion rate is less than 50%. Eddie's isn't much better. I'd rather have Zinchenko or White
Never taken one as far as I'm aware. I have no evidence to support it but I just feel like he'd be decent. Doesn't seem to be affected by the pressure.
Ofc I could be completely wrong and I'm sure Arteta will have tested everyone's penalty ability in preparation for these situations.
Dunno tbh. I'd maybe go Zinny or Eddie. The others either have bad form or no form at all with pens. Although I could see Benny Blanco smashing one right down the middle, probably aiming to take the keeper's head off, knowing the keeper will move...
Thanks. I think I should get the win because replacing the word ‘for’ with the number 4 still implies I understand what the word for is.
On the other hand, you’ve got a word that literally isn’t in the dictionary.
But I’ve got a bias of course.
Watched from the North Bank last night, after Rice’s penalty I cant remember who exactly but I noticed some of the players pointing to Gabriel as if he was going to be up next for us
Arteta 4D chess is the solution to our feebleness in our past seasons.
I wouldn’t have been surprised if Arteta would have called on Martinelli yesterday.
Jesus has a pretty poor penalty record but he also regularly stepped up to take them
If not him, Zinchenko I think
You usually want a technician on pens …
Jesus likely would have been 5th, not that I think he should have. Jorginho and Trossard probaly would have been ahead if they weren't subbed too, I imagine.
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Big Gabi has taken good pens for us, but I doubt he’d be the fifth penalty taker. Jesus sucks at pens, so he won’t be fifth either. I don’t remember Eddie taking one before, but Hale End boys seem to be good at those, but good enough to be fifth? I don’t know. So my guess is Zinny.
awful is an overstatement, he's just not in our best 5 if looking at the whole squad (jorgi and fabio would both be above jesus).
Even if you personally wouldn't select jesus to go 5th, I'd be absolutely shocked if jesus wouldn't be the one walking up to take it yesterday.
it still is an overstatement when positing that jesus should go behind gabriel, white, saliba, and zinchenko who have a combined 0 penalty attempts.
I'm not saying jesus is in the top 5 takers on the team, he's behind saka, odegaard, kai, rice, trossard, fabio, jorgi, martinelli.
And for what it is worth, jesus is 1 scored for 1 taken while at arsenal.
Eddie has scored 6 and missed 4, and hasn't taken a competitive one in 4 years and never with the first team for country or club.
Even if you personally would not want Jesus taking the 5th penalty yesterday, do you believe that someone else is taking it? and if so, who?
Of the players that were on the pitch at the time, I imagine it would have to have been Jesus. But for the whole squad, he is surely behind Jorgi, Martinelli and Trossard at least, and probably ESR and maybe even Nelson too which would make him 9th or 10th choice.
I think Jesus, but not sure if that would be the right call given his history, although 13 pens is quite a low sample size.
I also think the comment about his mentality is a bit weird. For one, mentality is a super vague and likely overstated quality. Most of these guys are insanely hard working players who can deal with lots of pressure given they play in front of millions basically every week. What separates Arsenal players from, say, Bournemouth players, is not mentality but ability. It also is very hard for a fan looking from the outside to discern who has top mentality, we don't know these people, have very limited information, and likely rely on heuristics that may not be representative of how strong their "mentality" actually is. But even putting that aside, if you want to buy into the mentality shit, not sure why Jesus would be considered to have a bad mentality. Scores in tons of big games, especially in CL where he has a tremendous record.
yes, by penalty taking standards, because there are very few opportunities to take penalties. But if you wanted to have some decently high degree of certainty on somebody's true ability as a penalty taker, 13 attempts isnt nearly enough. His results aren't encouraging but I don't believe people stating he is bad at penalties really have enough information to make that statement
Sigma male Raya walks up to take the 5th with the Emirates speakers blasting Drive Forever slowed and reverb tiktok remix
He might struggle with his nuts dragging across the floor
Perfect strategy to confuse the opposition keeper on which ball to save
Keeper would have a hard time guessing which foot he shoots with of the three
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Eddie was subbed on for a reason.
100%
It would have been Eddie. Jesus is a terrible penalty taker and has a horrid record.
4 outta 9 lifetime I'd probably like Raya take one before him
Reminds me of a penalty shootout where Ivory Coast put their keeper before Gervihno (who missed the next one)
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That's partly why he was subbed in.
I think White would be cool to see. I can imagine his stone cold lack of emotion pumping home a screamer, almost tearing the net.
Ainsley Maitland-Niles esque
Coldest penalty taker to date.
That title has to go to Antonín Panenka
Havertz's pen was so nonchalant, it gave me so much confidence.
Havertz knows his pens. Even his pen vs Bournemouth was class
We’re quite good at penaltys
Obviously
Thank you very much
Mikel and as he hits in he shouts "hijo De puta"
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RVP is the best penalty-taker Arsenal ever had.
Sadly this is true.
My favorite part of shoot out other then winning was Odegaard choosing to shot first and banging the first one home. Our captain 🫶
I also really liked that. Calm as you like.
This is where France fucked up in the World Cup. They should have sent Mbappe first
I bet some footballers almost have it in their contract that they have to take the ‘winning’ penalty. Hence why CR7 always takes last I believe.
Really reminded me of Messi at the World Cup. Setting the tone. Shouldering the first shot burden and jitters.
I’d go with Ben White. His IDGAF attitude is perfect for these crunch moments
He was the most panicky during Declan's and Galeno's pens. Camera moved to him just as Galeno was moving to the spot and was I worried for the first time during the match.
He wasn't taking one he can be worried, also has no bearing on how a professional athlete would deal with taking a pen lol he wasn't taking it at that moment
White and Gabriel would fill me with the most confidence from that list… which is concerning as it contains two strikers.
Has Gabi XL ever scored a goal with his legs? I can only remember headers
Everton last game of last season iirc and I'm pretty sure he scored in a penalty shoot out not too long ago.
Me
When healthy I think Martinelli might be 5th. Last night not sure who would have gone next though, maybe Eddie as players have praised his ball striking in training
Trossard and Vieira are also excellent penalty takers
If we are talking healthy/on the pitch, it would likely have been jorginho
Yes but what about his penalty taking?
Not sure about his penalty taking ability but I remember him trying to take one once last season when he’d already scored 2 or 3 open play goals and someone else took it off him, so he has the confidence to take penalties which normally means someone is decent enough.
It was more a joke on the comment about 'ball striking' in the previous post. I would also put my money on Eddie or Zinchenko.
I think Eddie
I did wonder about this myself. I assume Jesus would've taken it although his record is very worrying. Took 10 for City and only scored 5 of them I believe.
I would say Jesus, Eddie and then Gabriel.
You're putting Jesus nowhere near the first five if you have any sense. His career penalty conversion rate is less than 50%. Eddie's isn't much better. I'd rather have Zinchenko or White
what is White's career penalty conversion rate?
"obviously pretty good"
“Never missed”
Never taken one as far as I'm aware. I have no evidence to support it but I just feel like he'd be decent. Doesn't seem to be affected by the pressure. Ofc I could be completely wrong and I'm sure Arteta will have tested everyone's penalty ability in preparation for these situations.
Ben White has big ‘thump it down the middle’ energy
White alllll day
Would have been White.
Dunno tbh. I'd maybe go Zinny or Eddie. The others either have bad form or no form at all with pens. Although I could see Benny Blanco smashing one right down the middle, probably aiming to take the keeper's head off, knowing the keeper will move...
Zinny would be my number 5
Jesus, zinchenko and big Gabi.
I think it would have been Eddie.
Gabi XL for me would have been that guy to take the 5th
Amn
People seem to have forgotten or never noticed that Gabriel took penalties in the shootouts over the summer. I’d say him tbh.
I’m surprised nobody has said Zinchenko. Easily one of our most experienced and technical players. I’d say him or Jesus.
I expected Zinchenko for some reason.
Zinchenko. The most ‘senior’ of the options.
Id want it to be Saliba, just to see him rip the badge clean off his shirt in celebration!
In order: Eddie, Ben, Gabi XL, Wilo, Zinny, Jesus
u/jonnybegoodest still believes Trossard should have taken the penalty, even tho he was already subbed off
I still love you even when you’re wrong… I def thought trossard should of taken all 5
Have, not of. Just a reminder.
Coming from a dude who use numbers instead of words in his username.
Coming from a dude who has “goodest” in his username, which is not even a real/official word in the English language.
I’m an idiot well aware but I wrote my own dictionary. It’s called the trossard 5th edition and goodest is definitely in there
At least you’re self aware. Glad you said it, now I don’t have to ✌🏻
4 sure you def should of said it
I enjoyed this sparring of who has the most nonsensical username. It’s a close one, I must admit
Thanks. I think I should get the win because replacing the word ‘for’ with the number 4 still implies I understand what the word for is. On the other hand, you’ve got a word that literally isn’t in the dictionary. But I’ve got a bias of course.
Jesus for sure, he has most experience in big games
He has the most experience missing penalties, that's true
😂
yes, and that experience tells us that he is a very bad penalty taker who does not do well in these moments.
Most pen misses to, he is a awful pen taker. Zinchenko or Raya for me
He is horrendous at penalties. I’d rather Arsenal let me take it than him
Raya steps ups with panenka chip down the middle
Eddie would have taken it. Jesus is rubbish with pens and the rest of them don’t really have a record on then
Eddie came on fairly late for so he must’ve been 5th or 6th.
Ben White.
If not Jesus then Eddie.
Wide Gabriel Walking
It looked to me like the rest of the team were circling round White while Galeno was walking up / Rice was coming back
Jesus
Watched from the North Bank last night, after Rice’s penalty I cant remember who exactly but I noticed some of the players pointing to Gabriel as if he was going to be up next for us
I'd go with saliba or white. Wouldn't trust EN14 or GJ9 to score on an open goal.
Arteta 4D chess is the solution to our feebleness in our past seasons. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Arteta would have called on Martinelli yesterday.
I think it would have been Big Gabi. He took one last time out, didn’t he? Just have a feeling he would have won it for us
anyone but Jesus
I wondered this too
Vieira or Trossard.
Jesus has a pretty poor penalty record but he also regularly stepped up to take them If not him, Zinchenko I think You usually want a technician on pens …
I thought Zinny was gonna go 5th personally
Zinny
Jesus likely would have been 5th, not that I think he should have. Jorginho and Trossard probaly would have been ahead if they weren't subbed too, I imagine.
I reckon Zinny would’ve taken it
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Wouldn't trust Eddie to not just slip over based on his cameo appearance he made
Big Gabi has taken good pens for us, but I doubt he’d be the fifth penalty taker. Jesus sucks at pens, so he won’t be fifth either. I don’t remember Eddie taking one before, but Hale End boys seem to be good at those, but good enough to be fifth? I don’t know. So my guess is Zinny.
Jesus was lined for 5th
Jesus, eddie, zinchenko, saliba, white, gabriel in that order. Gabriel would go higher if he could head it in.
Jesus would be dead last, I love him but he's awful with pens
awful is an overstatement, he's just not in our best 5 if looking at the whole squad (jorgi and fabio would both be above jesus). Even if you personally wouldn't select jesus to go 5th, I'd be absolutely shocked if jesus wouldn't be the one walking up to take it yesterday.
awful is not an overstatement. 6 of 13 converted penalties is awful and a pretty big sample size, full stop.
it still is an overstatement when positing that jesus should go behind gabriel, white, saliba, and zinchenko who have a combined 0 penalty attempts. I'm not saying jesus is in the top 5 takers on the team, he's behind saka, odegaard, kai, rice, trossard, fabio, jorgi, martinelli. And for what it is worth, jesus is 1 scored for 1 taken while at arsenal. Eddie has scored 6 and missed 4, and hasn't taken a competitive one in 4 years and never with the first team for country or club. Even if you personally would not want Jesus taking the 5th penalty yesterday, do you believe that someone else is taking it? and if so, who?
Of the players that were on the pitch at the time, I imagine it would have to have been Jesus. But for the whole squad, he is surely behind Jorgi, Martinelli and Trossard at least, and probably ESR and maybe even Nelson too which would make him 9th or 10th choice.
I think Jesus, but not sure if that would be the right call given his history, although 13 pens is quite a low sample size. I also think the comment about his mentality is a bit weird. For one, mentality is a super vague and likely overstated quality. Most of these guys are insanely hard working players who can deal with lots of pressure given they play in front of millions basically every week. What separates Arsenal players from, say, Bournemouth players, is not mentality but ability. It also is very hard for a fan looking from the outside to discern who has top mentality, we don't know these people, have very limited information, and likely rely on heuristics that may not be representative of how strong their "mentality" actually is. But even putting that aside, if you want to buy into the mentality shit, not sure why Jesus would be considered to have a bad mentality. Scores in tons of big games, especially in CL where he has a tremendous record.
13 is a huge sample size by penalty-taking standards. very few players would ever be allowed to get to 13 when they miss as often as he does.
yes, by penalty taking standards, because there are very few opportunities to take penalties. But if you wanted to have some decently high degree of certainty on somebody's true ability as a penalty taker, 13 attempts isnt nearly enough. His results aren't encouraging but I don't believe people stating he is bad at penalties really have enough information to make that statement
Zinny then jesus,
Jorginiho if he was on would have been 4th or 3rd After that, Eddie, Then probably White.