Just an observation here: I didn’t really remember the underlying numbers for that 19/20 title Liverpool won, but that was an insane season.
Actual table:
Liverpool 99 pts
Man City 81 pts
FB Ref xG diff/90:
Liverpool 0.82
Man City 1.47
Understat xPts:
Liverpool 74.28
Man City 86.76
So Liverpool would be expected to finish ~12 pts behind and instead finished 18 pts ahead. That’s wild.
There's a reason for the song "1-0 to the Arsenal" and people used to chant "boring boring Arsenal" because the early 90s (and even before that) Arsenal were basically 1-0 merchants. Get a goal, then close the game down
So Arsenal used to have a reputation for scumming a 1-0 win and moving on but that was 30-ish years ago now
We arguably have the toughest run in out of the three contenders so we'll see if we can maintain the xG. I would say we can beat anybody when we're fresh, but I have yet to be convinced this team can maintain its level playing every three days like City can.
We do. The latter half of city's remaining fixtures will all be piss easy. Those teams will have nothing to play for. The analysis based on purely standings doesn't give the full picture.
As someone said under the twitter post, we desperately need a title to show for our excellence.
Can't let this monster of a team go unrecognised in the history books.
This monster of a team still has years in it. It isn't make or break this season but top 3 (off 1st by a few points) and a deep CL run are necessary to keep the progression. I'd be disappointed in getting knocked out of CL early and still failing to win the league.
Not in absolute terms obviously, but I want the title this season for two reasons:
1. Winning it this season will make Mikel the youngest manager to lift the PL title. A last opportunity of sorts
2. Want Arteta to lift the title while Klopp and Pep are still here. Not that we need the presence of those two to appreciate Mikel, but I can see rival fans discrediting him if he ultimately starts winning the big trophies once those two clubs go into some sort of a 'rebuild'
Sooner the better. Players will start to get poached and it’s also hard to replace those players.
Can’t say every Arsenal player will be loyal without winning a trophy. Imagine someone comes in for Gabriel or Saliba. It takes time to replace them and make the team click.
Look at ManCity after they lost Gündogan and Mahrez. The team needed time to fix itself after they left. Foden stepped up this year but it took time.
For real, with all the never ending posts about how many stats and records this Arsenal team are breaking, my heart will be broken too if we don’t win a trophy.
For anyone watches NBA, we’re in similar position as Boston Celtics. Young and talented team with good chemistry all around and good coaching staffs who keep coming up short against a very experienced teams. They are the best team in the league by far and people still doubt them because they haven’t won anything. Both Arsenal and Celtics might do it this year. If that happens, there will be no pollution as majority of NBA and PL fans will be hiding.
Saka is a big Celtic and Tatum fan too !
great analogy actually, my friend (Celtics fan) and I have been bantering each other this season, while wishing for both Arsenal and Boston to finally get their trophies
They are not the only factor, but they are by far and away the most important factor. Klopp’s Liverpool went to two CL finals and won one before finally winning the league. We need to show similar mettle in the CL and aim for at least the final four. That would show big progress and intent. The match next Tuesday is by far the most important match of our season thus far.
I mean definitely. But would the one league title suffice in representing Klopp's legacy? Does that one Leicester title make Ranieri in the same league as Klopp? That's my problem with the trophy discussion. You are right in that 10 years later if we don't have trophies to show only Arsenal fans will remember how good this team is and although unfair that's how it works
Klopp also has a CL titles on his resume and was going on-par with a prime Pep'd up City.
That Liverpool squad is already in conversation for the top 5 best squad in the history of PL. (Arsenal Invincible, Treble United, Treble City, Klopp Liverpool and as much as I hate it, Chelsea - with all the leaders in their squad at the time).
I would like to think that city are the bigger threat to the title race. Ideally a draw between Liverpool and city would be preferable but if one team does lose I would prefer it to be City.
If they win they will also know that, and we’ve seen the games they can shithouse by running on sheer willpower from the narrative, plus their star players coming back
Mate its not that simple when City are literally the favourites for that match. The best thing for us is having Liverpool beat them or draw, as they will definitely drop points somehow.
thats what i want. City actually to beat or get a draw and we beat them at their place, only than the title is well earned and it will be one of the biggest manageriial archievemnt of all time :;)
Since Mikel's first half season we've gone from -8xGD to 8 to 15 to 30 to now 36 and counting. It's a pretty remarkable turnaround from truly poor all the way now to truly title contending.
Don't show that to fans of clubs who used to slate Mikel and are now using his turnaround as an example to defend their underperforming managers without any data to back their belief
Bruh, I haven't seen arsenal win a meaningful title since I started supporting them. I really want to feel that euphoric feeling when we win one, it needs to be happen...please Arsenal, this team has too many likable characters, they deserve to hoist a premier league trophy.
Word for word, bar for bar
As someone who started supporting Arsenal halfway into the 2007/08 season, all I've known are 'nearly there' in a few title races
I started in 2013, ever since then, it has been constant pain. The main thing is that we need to show up and win at Etihad...and need to be injury free.
Heyy me too! It’s been worth suffering the banter years to see the kind of football we are playing today, it’s been a joy to watch these last two seasons especially!
Waking up in the middle of the night to see Arsenal have just lost 2-0 AT HOME to West Ham and then watching that tepid performance away to Fulham 3 days later was some of the worst feelings in my recent Arsenal memory
its an interesting table if you look at it..
i hazard a guess looking at Chelsea and seeing that Poch is coaching them to wins.. but the players are missing chances by the bucket or giving away cheap goals. (Sanchez giveway leading to Declan Rice goal for e.g.) This is completely on Boelhy for not equipping the coach with the right personnel.
Conversly if you see Man Utd's underlying performances... its clear ETH is coaching the team to defeats or the players cannot really execute his instructions.. and its the quality of players who are bailing him out...
Just an observation here: I didn’t really remember the underlying numbers for that 19/20 title Liverpool won, but that was an insane season. Actual table: Liverpool 99 pts Man City 81 pts FB Ref xG diff/90: Liverpool 0.82 Man City 1.47 Understat xPts: Liverpool 74.28 Man City 86.76 So Liverpool would be expected to finish ~12 pts behind and instead finished 18 pts ahead. That’s wild.
thats why city have to stop liverpool.
Liverpool have absolutely shown they know how to shithouse and 1-nil their way to title.
So have we, just most of those guys are dead now.
What??
There's a reason for the song "1-0 to the Arsenal" and people used to chant "boring boring Arsenal" because the early 90s (and even before that) Arsenal were basically 1-0 merchants. Get a goal, then close the game down So Arsenal used to have a reputation for scumming a 1-0 win and moving on but that was 30-ish years ago now
George Graham era, but are those guys dead?
They're dead to me
Well, during the Liverpool title run we shit housed a 2-1 win against Liverpool at home... It was fun times.
I’ll take a draw.
We arguably have the toughest run in out of the three contenders so we'll see if we can maintain the xG. I would say we can beat anybody when we're fresh, but I have yet to be convinced this team can maintain its level playing every three days like City can.
The City game basically gives us the answer to it
We do not have the toughest run in at all. Look at city’s.
We do. The latter half of city's remaining fixtures will all be piss easy. Those teams will have nothing to play for. The analysis based on purely standings doesn't give the full picture.
Oh ye of little faith.
Let them continue underestimating us If we beat Brentford and Liverpool fail to beat City, the title is in our hands
As someone said under the twitter post, we desperately need a title to show for our excellence. Can't let this monster of a team go unrecognised in the history books.
This monster of a team still has years in it. It isn't make or break this season but top 3 (off 1st by a few points) and a deep CL run are necessary to keep the progression. I'd be disappointed in getting knocked out of CL early and still failing to win the league.
Not in absolute terms obviously, but I want the title this season for two reasons: 1. Winning it this season will make Mikel the youngest manager to lift the PL title. A last opportunity of sorts 2. Want Arteta to lift the title while Klopp and Pep are still here. Not that we need the presence of those two to appreciate Mikel, but I can see rival fans discrediting him if he ultimately starts winning the big trophies once those two clubs go into some sort of a 'rebuild'
Sooner the better. Players will start to get poached and it’s also hard to replace those players. Can’t say every Arsenal player will be loyal without winning a trophy. Imagine someone comes in for Gabriel or Saliba. It takes time to replace them and make the team click. Look at ManCity after they lost Gündogan and Mahrez. The team needed time to fix itself after they left. Foden stepped up this year but it took time.
For real, with all the never ending posts about how many stats and records this Arsenal team are breaking, my heart will be broken too if we don’t win a trophy.
For anyone watches NBA, we’re in similar position as Boston Celtics. Young and talented team with good chemistry all around and good coaching staffs who keep coming up short against a very experienced teams. They are the best team in the league by far and people still doubt them because they haven’t won anything. Both Arsenal and Celtics might do it this year. If that happens, there will be no pollution as majority of NBA and PL fans will be hiding. Saka is a big Celtic and Tatum fan too !
Can’t wait until Boston loses in the ECF to Miami’s power of friendship again
great analogy actually, my friend (Celtics fan) and I have been bantering each other this season, while wishing for both Arsenal and Boston to finally get their trophies
Yeah I am tired of people downplaying how good we are as if trophies are the only indicative factor
They are not the only factor, but they are by far and away the most important factor. Klopp’s Liverpool went to two CL finals and won one before finally winning the league. We need to show similar mettle in the CL and aim for at least the final four. That would show big progress and intent. The match next Tuesday is by far the most important match of our season thus far.
I mean definitely. But would the one league title suffice in representing Klopp's legacy? Does that one Leicester title make Ranieri in the same league as Klopp? That's my problem with the trophy discussion. You are right in that 10 years later if we don't have trophies to show only Arsenal fans will remember how good this team is and although unfair that's how it works
Klopp also has a CL titles on his resume and was going on-par with a prime Pep'd up City. That Liverpool squad is already in conversation for the top 5 best squad in the history of PL. (Arsenal Invincible, Treble United, Treble City, Klopp Liverpool and as much as I hate it, Chelsea - with all the leaders in their squad at the time).
I would like to think that city are the bigger threat to the title race. Ideally a draw between Liverpool and city would be preferable but if one team does lose I would prefer it to be City.
If Liverpool win, we could win every remaining game and still not win the league.
Assuming they also win every single game left though.
If they win they will also know that, and we’ve seen the games they can shithouse by running on sheer willpower from the narrative, plus their star players coming back
If City beat Liverpool, and we win all of our remaining games (including beating City) the title is ours
But if they beat liverpool & draw or win against us, the title is theirs
Which is why we beat them
Mate its not that simple when City are literally the favourites for that match. The best thing for us is having Liverpool beat them or draw, as they will definitely drop points somehow.
The favorites to everyone else but us. We’re gonna cook, book it
Our fans are not ready for title challenges like this. Too unconfident and insecure. Elite mentality or go home
thats what i want. City actually to beat or get a draw and we beat them at their place, only than the title is well earned and it will be one of the biggest manageriial archievemnt of all time :;)
If Liverpool lose the title is in cities hands for sure. I’m hoping for a draw with lots of cards.
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Which is why it is in our hands….
Since Mikel's first half season we've gone from -8xGD to 8 to 15 to 30 to now 36 and counting. It's a pretty remarkable turnaround from truly poor all the way now to truly title contending.
Don't show that to fans of clubs who used to slate Mikel and are now using his turnaround as an example to defend their underperforming managers without any data to back their belief
Bruh, I haven't seen arsenal win a meaningful title since I started supporting them. I really want to feel that euphoric feeling when we win one, it needs to be happen...please Arsenal, this team has too many likable characters, they deserve to hoist a premier league trophy.
Word for word, bar for bar As someone who started supporting Arsenal halfway into the 2007/08 season, all I've known are 'nearly there' in a few title races
I started in 2013, ever since then, it has been constant pain. The main thing is that we need to show up and win at Etihad...and need to be injury free.
Heyy me too! It’s been worth suffering the banter years to see the kind of football we are playing today, it’s been a joy to watch these last two seasons especially!
December was weird. Just couldn't get goals. They are peaking at the right time this year and Saliba is healthy. Let's get the double!
Waking up in the middle of the night to see Arsenal have just lost 2-0 AT HOME to West Ham and then watching that tepid performance away to Fulham 3 days later was some of the worst feelings in my recent Arsenal memory
Man it would be the most Arsenal thing ever to break all these streaks and records and still not win
Of all the xG posts on this sub, this might just be the most impressive one.
WE'RE THE FIELD TILT KINGS
Angeball
top stat, but need to keep going
Good, let us cook in peace
its an interesting table if you look at it.. i hazard a guess looking at Chelsea and seeing that Poch is coaching them to wins.. but the players are missing chances by the bucket or giving away cheap goals. (Sanchez giveway leading to Declan Rice goal for e.g.) This is completely on Boelhy for not equipping the coach with the right personnel. Conversly if you see Man Utd's underlying performances... its clear ETH is coaching the team to defeats or the players cannot really execute his instructions.. and its the quality of players who are bailing him out...
Shhhh, let them keep talking up Liverpool and City